From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #58 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Shakespeare thoughts (formerly: Jewel Kilcher and why I think she writes trash) [cookie ] Re: moxification [Josh Drury ] Re: pets [koogle@clark.net] Re: moxification [puggles@mindspring.com (Kelly MacDougal)] Re: songs on the new album [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Jewel Kilcher and why I think she writes trash (a dissertation on the state of the Union) [] Lee [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: CDnow ranking [Paul Mischler ] Good news - Bad news. [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: Colorado anyone? [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Lee [Mindy J Munson ] [none] ["kristen fair" ] Re: This is not as long as it looks (Reunion Scene Response included!) [p] Shakespeare Ramblings ('Nardo) -- was Jewel Kilcher yadda yadda [petit_ch] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:23:32 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Shakespeare thoughts (formerly: Jewel Kilcher and why I think she writes trash) Fru-Monique wrote: > > Kate! > >is anyone else slightly amused by these "shakespeare in love" > > commercials that refer to "romeo and juliet" as his greatest work? > > honestly, have they read "hamlet?" "macbeth?" "romeo and juliet" is > > certainly more generally accessible, but the crowd they seem to be > promoting > > this film to (art house types) would certainly be well-versed enough > to know > > that "romeo and juliet" is cute, but actually pretty crappy as > shakespearean > > drama goes. > > Bwhahahahahaha!! I've always always said this! And everyone picked at > me in my leadership class last fall because I was saying on how R&J is > one of Shakespeare's worst plays. Although I don't think it's one of his best plays, I certainly don't think it's one of his worst. Has anyone here read "The Winter's Tale?" Although the language is beautiful, the plot is extremely thin and completely unbelievable--and it's not even a comedy. I think compared to that one, R&J moves up quite a few pegs on the quality meter! I can appreciate the quality of the tragedies, but my favorite Shakespeare play is "Twelfth Night." I don't know why, but the subplot characters crack me up! (Sir Toby Belch, Malvolio, Sir Andrew Aguecheek, Feste, etc.) Speaking of Hamlet...has anyone ever seen "Rosencranz & Guildenstern are Dead?" Cookie respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:41:47 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Shakespeare thoughts (formerly: Jewel Kilcher and why I think she writes trash) kate: "are you kidding?" rosencrantz: "foul! no rhetoricals!" :) ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** cookie wrote in message <36A4CDA4.6F89@2cowherder.com>... >Fru-Monique wrote: >> >> Kate! >> >is anyone else slightly amused by these "shakespeare in love" >> > commercials that refer to "romeo and juliet" as his greatest work? >> > honestly, have they read "hamlet?" "macbeth?" "romeo and juliet" is >> > certainly more generally accessible, but the crowd they seem to be >> promoting >> > this film to (art house types) would certainly be well-versed enough >> to know >> > that "romeo and juliet" is cute, but actually pretty crappy as >> shakespearean >> > drama goes. >> >> Bwhahahahahaha!! I've always always said this! And everyone picked at >> me in my leadership class last fall because I was saying on how R&J is >> one of Shakespeare's worst plays. > >Although I don't think it's one of his best plays, I certainly don't >think it's one of his worst. Has anyone here read "The Winter's Tale?" >Although the language is beautiful, the plot is extremely thin and >completely unbelievable--and it's not even a comedy. I think compared to >that one, R&J moves up quite a few pegs on the quality meter! > >I can appreciate the quality of the tragedies, but my favorite >Shakespeare play is "Twelfth Night." I don't know why, but the subplot >characters crack me up! (Sir Toby Belch, Malvolio, Sir Andrew Aguecheek, >Feste, etc.) > >Speaking of Hamlet...has anyone ever seen "Rosencranz & Guildenstern are >Dead?" > >Cookie >respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:24 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: TMBG (was Re: Bargainville misprint??) On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:30:29 -0500, Chad Maloney wrote: > >Hope that helps and wasn't just long and boring and pointless! > > - Chad Very helpful. I must see about trying to track something of theirs down. Ross, going back up to the s/h music store for the umpteenth time. It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://freespace.virgin.net/g.hendry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:28 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: The mining ship Red Dwarf... (was Louden...) Did you guys get the "Smeg Ups" video over there? It's a collection of loads of out takes all strung together by Kryten. Added bonus is the original ending to s6, the ending that ended up on the cutting room floor! Point is, does anyone want a copy? I've watched mine enough that it's not funny anymore and would love to swap for some Fruvous cd's. I was going to offer it directly to someone (don't know who) but I thought I'd out it up for grabs. Let me know if you're interested. Bear in mind that this is in PAL format so you'll need a dual format VCR. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://freespace.virgin.net/g.hendry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:23 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Fruvous in the UK On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:32:54 +0100, johni@johnbrown.co.uk (John Innes) wrote: >Recently Discovered Moxy Fruvous. > >Have the band ever toured the UK, or have plans to do so in the future. >I've found it very difficult to track down their material over here. > >John > If you live north of the border then Tower Records in Glasgow has them in occasionally though you'll handsomely for the privilege. /me smiles at all the wonderful people here who offered him assistance. > >John Innes >Associate Publisher >Fortean Times > We will bow down and worship. Don't suppose you know if Father Lionel Fanthorpe will be returning to our screens? I think he is brilliant! Ross, knowing that the vast majority of people have no idea what I'm on about. It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://freespace.virgin.net/g.hendry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:26 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: RCAF On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:25:22 -0800, driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creaking Monkey) wrote: >WAtching Royal Canadian Air Farce the other night, I >saw something very amusing, especially in light of som >of Moxy's comments. >There was a Skit with the Queen Mother talking about >how since the value of Candian money has dropped, she >wants her face taken off the money (there is a funny >part where she points to the Loon and says "not a very >good picture of me, either" or something similar.) >Reminds me of Jian's little speech before King of >Spain - "... and we are tired of having that woman's >face on our money!" >Peace, >Tamdakh Arulean > She looks like she's got a touch of the old mumps on the new coins! Hehehe! On a more serious note, if the UK eventually opts in for the Euro and her nibs face is thus removed from our coinage, will Canada's money follow suit? Who will replace her if she goes? Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://freespace.virgin.net/g.hendry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:25 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: TMBG (was Re: Bargainville misprint??) On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:05:25 +0000, Richard Butterworth wrote: > >Weeeell, if you're not doing anything on Saturday Ross, they're playing in >London. They're also playing tonight (Monday) but seeing as its now 4pm, >this may be just a little too late to tell you. :) Gee, I'll se what I can do but no promises okay? ;-) >According to their web >site these are their only two UK gigs. Also Bare Naked Ladies are playing in >the UK shortly. (Another Canadian Fruvous-a-like band, much raved about on >this ng, as I'm sure you'll have noticed. Although I'll most likely get >flamed to a dietry charcoal biscuit for saying that they're Fruvous-a-like.) Absolutely *love* BNL. If cd's could wear out then my Gordon and Stunts are getting pretty thin! Only had them a few months too! > >TMBG's Birdcage in my Soul was a UK hit in 1990 and was a student union >dancefloor favourite I can tell you. Sigh, I'm showing my age aren't I? > >Tinkerty tonk >Richard Showing your age? Pish and tosh! I remember when Kylie Minogue released "I Should Be So Lucky"! ;-) Ross, with his rubber ducky. "Oh, the chicken in the air, stick a deckchair up your nose, Buy a jumbo jet and then bury all your clothes, Paint your left ear green and extract your wisdom teeth, Form a string quartet and pretend your name is Keith!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:17:16 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Shakespeare was Re: Jewel Kilcher etc Josh Drury wrote: > No, I'm sure I agree with you. Having read (and seen) both Hamlet and > Macbeth, they're much more intricate and interesting than ol' R&J. I > haven't read Lear yet (though I did see a film version, in Russian with > subtitles), but I'm pretty sure it's better also. But let me ask you > this: If 'Nardo Dicaprio had been in, say, Macbeth, would it have more > street cred than R&J? Just a thought. Ack. What a horrible and disgusting thought. Except maybe as Fleance.. really young, very few lines, is gone soon. Or the MacDuff kid who has the one scene. (Mental image of THAT BOY staggering around declaring "I am murdered!" "Yes you are Leo, and you're murdering that scene too. Now go away") To be quite honest I thought he was a good Romeo - most of my arguments with that film had to do with directorial and writing choices and how they chose to portray Malvolio. I *am* dying to go see Shakespeare in Love... and the 5 hour version of Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, if I can find it to rent sometime. Fiona "I'm SO a Dave's people if it weren't for Mike..." - -Marie-Claude Nov 16/98 - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:37:05 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: The Princess Bride (was: Jewel Kilcher) >Need I even ask if any of you are "Princess Bride" fans? Can't you post about anything here and expect to find a dozen or so people who dig it too? Except Jewel of course, in which case, Heather knocks some sense into you. But to answer the real Q, yesyesyes. I even had a dog named Dread Pirate Roberts, Westley for short, naturally. Lace (yes, a black dog) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 "Who are you?" "No one of consequence." "I must know." "Get used to disappointment." "Okay." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:35:34 GMT From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: The Princess Bride (was: Jewel Kilcher) ammf@fruvous.com writes: >Need I even ask if any of you are "Princess Bride" fans? It's my >all-time, >hands-down, knock-out favorite movie. A simply answer.... yes!!!! - - Life101 - You killed my father, prepare to die Spice "Jesus was a Jesus Freak" -Dan Bern ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:30:21 GMT From: "Halley Johnson" Subject: slightly off topic; Canadians, please read! Hi -- I have a favor to ask, please reply off-list so as not to bog down ammf! I am preparing for a role that requires a french*Canadian* accent as opposed to a french*France* accent, two completely different beasties, as my director claims....well, duh, but, exactly *how* do they differ? Could anyone point me to a resource where I might find/hear a true french Canadian speaking in accented english? -- I am not going for characature here! I would also appreciate any pronounciation tips, i.e. specific words or tone(s) that would clearly indicate a, shall we say, continental difference, much like the way upperclass Brit differs from Australian....get what I mean? Anyway, many thanks in advnace, reply off-list and pardon my method-y technique... Please return to your regular ng voyuerism. HJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:08:54 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: RCAF Ross Hendry wrote: > > > > She looks like she's got a touch of the old mumps on the new coins! > Hehehe! On a more serious note, if the UK eventually opts in for the > Euro and her nibs face is thus removed from our coinage, will Canada's > money follow suit? Who will replace her if she goes? > I don't know if we would follow suit, but I sure hope so. I don't know if I'm in favour of having any one person's face on our coins, much less a monarch, even if they are from another country. I'd rather have a flag, or the coat of arms, or a map of the country, or maybe just a void - -- like the twoonie, without the centre. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:02:54 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: moxification Fru-Monique wrote: > > > Right on. I could rantandrantandrant on why V-Day is stupid. In fact, > I think I will. (you've all been warned) Since when do pink frilly > things have to do with St. Valentine, who I believe was decappitated? Y'know, it might even be worth it if we had a day off for it. As it is, there are no real holidays in Canada between New Year's and Victoria Day, which means that aside from dealing with all this snow that's still on the ground, we don't even get a day off to shovel it, or alternately, go skiing. Grrrrr! Speaking of holidays, and days off, is Arizona still the only state not to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day? Anyone? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:14:34 GMT From: koogle@clark.net Subject: Re: pets In article <36A47BF6.6D27@toad.net>, epbuckley@toad.net wrote: > > On a side note, my kitten is named Laika - does anyone else have > > >Frupets? > > my cat's name is spud. they mention vichysoisse in Johnny Saucep'n. Spud looks like a cow; several forms of cow are mentioned in that same song. I have a crazy cat, whom Ellen keeps trying to adopt, who was originally named Wood, but not after the Fruvous album. See, he matches the wood floor in my house. Our Mutual Friend Rob still calls the cat Wood. My other cat is Lola, and there are so many Lola songs it's not even funny. Fruvous should work one of them into a medley. - --Amanda (tomorrow, I'm Birthday Spice, in case anybody is keeping track.) - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:38:36 GMT From: puggles@mindspring.com (Kelly MacDougal) Subject: Re: moxification shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) wrote: >Fruchild, who will never give up her stuffed animals even if i live to be >103 Way to go!!! My mom was forever trying to make me get rid of mine. My husband and I own over 200, possible over 300 stuffies and can't imagine life without any of them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:59:58 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: songs on the new album Chad Maloney delighted us with: >Not necessarily replying to cee, but anyways: > >Is it "You Can Be Too Careful" or "You Can't Be Too Careful"? Yeah, that one is confusing. As Jian emphasized a couple of times (reportedly - I wasn't at those shows) it's "You Can't Be Too Careful." But they aren't using it as a colloquialism; if you take the phrase literally, it all makes sense. :) Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "This 'Jian scent' thread has brought us to an all-time low..." -COM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:35:59 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: Jewel Kilcher and why I think she writes trash (a dissertation on the state of the Union) On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:47:16 GMT, nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: >Trace wrote: >> Heehee, be careful Joni :) The English Lit types will exhibit a knee >> jerk reaction, as conditioned by their professors, to tell you all >> about a guy named Billy Shakespeare :) He really was pretty good. >> > >Apparently you've never been to a university like Guelph. Even in Shakespeare >classes, heck *especially* in Shakespeare classes we pick the poor guy apart >until we've pretty much concluded that the only reason Shakespeare's works >survived to this day was because a few of his plays were commissioned by >royalty. Although I had one of the same profs that does this teach the Milton >course the last semester it was offered. Anyone ever seen the complete works >of John Milton in one book? By the end of the semester I was having visions >of beating my prof about the head with it. > Nope, never been to one like Guelph, but I have had a few very interesting profs who were well versed in Shakespeare, and one of them did in fact prefer Marxist readings of Shakespeare (I truly didn't realize how subversive the bard was until that class). Anyways, I own both the complete works of Milton and the bard, although luckily I didn't have to haul them around during the same semester. I DID however have to pack the Norton Shakespeare, the Norton Anthology of English Lit vol 2, and Moby Dick. I think I threw my back out that semester :) Never realized literature was so physically gruelling :) - -- Trace gemini@p3.net *sniff* Target is within sniffing range. Hailing on all frequencies. *woop woop* Visual acquired. Our bogie is at 9:00. Fire when ready. - 1/1 BL dum tek ca tek tek ca tek tek *snort* ARGH *glare* Follow THAT one lads.... - 1/2 BL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:17:39 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Lee Fru-Monique delighted us with: >P.S.: Yup, "Lee" is an awesome song. But I still don't know what it's >about. Little help? FWIW, one of the interpretations I've heard is that it is sung by a person to their lover who is dying. I'm still not sure if I agree with that interpretation (or even think it plausible), but there it is. Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "This 'Jian scent' thread has brought us to an all-time low..." -COM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:11:45 -0500 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: CDnow ranking We're movin on up!!! Moxy has now hit #7 on the list! Woo Hoo! Keep voting, and keep all of yer friends voting too! Paul Mischler Unofficial Voter Registration Officer Chad Maloney wrote: > joliver@cdnow.com wrote: > > > > You can see results here: > > > > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/MN/promo.b98/vote.html/viewres= > > Wow! Thanks for the link! Now we can check on the lads whenever we want. > > - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:12:34 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Good news - Bad news. HEy hEY! Uhm, which do you want first? Choose Your Own Adventure! Good News: i'm telling you colorado is taking over! anyways, I made a friend of mine a mix-tape of random frubits last friday, she tagged along to the Colorado Fruhead get-together that night as well, but wasn't too excited since she hadn't been able to listen to the tape yet. Anyways, she runs into me today and was totally psyched about it... wants to see them live (which means a new travelling buddy) :) My Fruposse is up into the double digits... i'm proud :) Bad News: After all this i won't be able to make it out to Frucon :( I just couldn't find a *third* job that would fit in with my schedule so... i really can't afford it. But, we're hoping that come spring (mid-march to mid-april)... they'll be on tour *crossing fingers* and we can all (i'm talking the entire posse) pull a frutrip or two then :) take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html :::Upcoming shows: Cake, The New Radicals, Reel Big Fish, Long Beach Dub Allstars, and Sno-Core'99 (Soul Coughing, Everclear, Redman, & DJ Spooky)::: ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:02:02 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Colorado anyone? On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:06:21 -0700 "Bob Thing" writes: >D-D-Damn!!! > tehe Two CD's later and I'm hooked (...Moon and Live >Noise, in >case you're wondering. That's all I've been able to find so far. >Honestly >I haven't looked very hard, though.) Oh, do search! barginville and wood are so wonderful...plus the B album (probably harder to find than the other 2) is so amusing! > How do talented people like MF go so long unnoticed? its an enigma...but it isn't all bad. it makes it easier to have a personal relationship with the band members. Fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:05:33 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Lee Thats how I always thought of it.. "our disease" "I cant kneel at your bed anymore". I was thinking that maybe they both had it and thought that it was best to die together than watch one another suffer. Fruchild On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:17:39 GMT vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) writes: >Fru-Monique delighted us with: > >>P.S.: Yup, "Lee" is an awesome song. But I still don't know what >it's >>about. Little help? > >FWIW, one of the interpretations I've heard is that it is sung by a >person to their lover who is dying. I'm still not sure if I agree >with that interpretation (or even think it plausible), but there it >is. > > >Vika Zafrin >vika@ibm.net > >"This 'Jian scent' thread has brought us to an all-time low..." -COM > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:24:33 PST From: "kristen fair" Subject: [none] KEY: 9BA7885-610E905 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:14:41 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: This is not as long as it looks (Reunion Scene Response included!) Chad said: >I've seen the Princess Bride more times than I've seem Fruvous shows. >Now that's saying something! Me too, but that's not saying nearly as much. *sniff* Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:14:49 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Shakespeare Ramblings ('Nardo) -- was Jewel Kilcher yadda yadda Josh asked: >If 'Nardo Dicaprio had been in, say, Macbeth, would it have >more street cred than R&J? Just a thought. No, unless he was an extra. 'Nardo doesn't have a head (or a voice, or a face, or a presence) for the Bard. It just ain't happening, and I don't think it depends on the play. This Joeseph Fiennes, though (from Shakespeare in Love and Elizabeth...), is quite wonderful and I'm glad to see him getting some recognition. Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #58 *******************************************