From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #55 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dan-bern-digest Digest V99 #18 [dan-bern-list@eskimo.com] dan-bern-digest Digest V99 #18 [dan-bern-list@eskimo.com] Re: The Sad Reality of a College Student's Life ["Arbie Fru" >> Luther, please don't refer to all the active posters (a.m.m-f has about 100 posts a day - that's a good number of active posters) as a single group of people who applaud or condemn things as a group. Each person has their own individual opinions on things. The major thing they have in common is a love of Moxy Fruvous. I also don't really like cheesy barbershop quartet harmonious in most cases either and I don't see Moxy Fruvous as a cheesy barbershop quartet as Luther keeps implying they are. They do have some acapella songs (I Love My Boss, Kick in the Ass, King of Spain) but a vast majority of their songs are instrumented. When they joined Dan on the stage did that make Dan's tunes become cheesy barbershop quartet? I don't think so. > Here, have a look for yourselves: > > http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428871669&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=8 > http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428891390&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=10 > http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428914005&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=12 > http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428989440&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=13 > > No wonder Chad didn't want to post any of their messages to this list, eh? I will not repost other people's writing without permission from them unless I am directly quoting them in a discussion in which they are involved. I'm sorry if that policy of mine makes me seem like I'm hiding something. I did however point at a way to read all the posts to that newsgroup and encouraged you to do so. But I encourage you to read more than just what Luther selects for you to read and to read things in the context of the threads they were in. I don't have a web-browser to see what those say, but from reading all the posts on a.m.m-f, I think many more people liked Dan than didn't. And to try to end this shit, none of what I said has been personal in nature, and if it has sounded like it, it really wasn't intentional. I do not like it when someone posts a message claiming something sucks to a public forum without backing it up because I am scared that will turn people away from trying something. So I attempted to defend Moxy Fruvous by providing a good argument for at least giving them a try. I hope I have done that and now any more of this I will keep in personal email. I still encourage you check out the Moxy Fruvous newsgroup if you are interested in participating in online Moxy Fruvous discussion. They also have an IRC channel on the Undernet at #MoxyFruvous and there are people there all the time. Assuming one of those links Luther posted is my summary of this mailing list (which I stand by no matter what people think) I'll give my honest summary of alt.music.moxy-fruvous: alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a nice friendly place to discuss really whatever you want to. It may seem from lurking for a bit that everyone knows each other but really people are just friendly and want to talk about stuff. A lot of times the posts are inane and just plain of no interest to read. Sometimes a post is a pretty inside joke that no one really gets. But if you look past those posts there is a lot of great content and a good amount of discussion on various things from Pop vs. Soda to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, hockey, children's books, other music people are interested in, and what the band members smell like. People are very openminded and accepting and it's always nice to have a place to beg for tickets when a show sells out way in advance. There are many people on the newsgroup who are very knowledgeable about Moxy Fruvous and if there's a question you'd like answered or a discussion about the band you'd like to have, the newsgroup is a great place to do it. If you can't stand the chatter and just want information, bookmark http://www.fruvous.com and forget the newsgroup ever existed. And because of all that, I'm a regular on alt.music.moxy-fruvous. I have many close friends that I've met through that newsgroup and I enjoy being a part of it (inane blather and all). I also really enjoy this list and all the great discussions that go on on it. - Chad > >Assuming one of those links Luther posted is my summary of this mailing >list (which I stand by no matter what people think) I'll give my honest >summary of alt.music.moxy-fruvous: Actually, Chad, none of those URLs was the one you mentioned. I did, however, find that one and if I were Luther, I'd be ticked as hell. If you were talking about me on another list--a place where I had no chance to reply or defend myself because I didn't even know you were writing it--I'd look at that as pretty personal, in spite of what you say. At least when Luther talks about someone, he does it to their face. Pam > At least when > Luther talks about someone, he does it to their face. > Except when he is nastily attacking Moxie Fruvous, without listening to their entire ouvre. Does Luther give Moxie Fruvous a chance to respond? No! He just goes right ahead and gives his opinion of their music. HOW DO I GET OFF THIS LIST Just listened to that Moxy Fruvous tape from the early show at the Bottom Line and LUTHER WAS CORRECT....It's really NOT one of their better shows....(The Cry, Cry, Cry tape was great though).... George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:38:51 GMT From: dan-bern-list@eskimo.com Subject: dan-bern-digest Digest V99 #18 dan-bern-digest Digest Volume 99 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: Re: DB Moxy Fruvous sucks! Re: DB C'mon Dan, get it on! RE: DB C'mon Dan, get it on! DB "Fruheads" Re: DB Moxy Fruvous sucks! Re: DB "Fruheads" are we not BLOTTO ? Re: DBlist sucks! Re: DB Moxy Fruvous sucks! DB Luther, Fruvous & the Super Bowl Re: DB "Fruheads" Re: DB "Fruheads" Re: DB "Fruheads" Re: DB "Fruheads" DB Moxy Usually SHows More Moxy Luther says: >> Sure, if you like "good clean fun" (read: cheesy barbershop quartet music) >> and a "happy" vibe that makes you think you're back in the 1970s watching >> an Osmonds concert, you'll like Moxy Fruvous. > So Chad pipes in: >Let's apply common logic to Luther's statement here. > >So, liking "good clean fun" and a "happy" vibe means you will like Fruvous. >Luther, I assume you know enough people who like "good clean fun" and a >"happy" vibe that like Moxy Fruvous to make that statement. > >And note it says nothing about people who like Moxy Fruvous having to >also like "good clean fun" and a "happy" vibe. Oh, if only I could venn >diagram in email. > And Pam sticks her big nose in: *scratching her head in confusion* Huh? So where's the problem, Chad? Does one need a PhD (or BS for that matter) to make such an analogy between Fruvous, barbershop, and the Osmonds--and by extension who might like them? I've heard their concerts and I've heard recordings of them and I agree. Now if you are actually faulting Luther's sarcastic tone, rather than his logic, then your sarcasm might also be called into question, eh? >Anyways, I still recommend checking music out (through seeing a live >show or through mp3's or through buying a used disc or whatever) before >you decide something sucks so much you don't want any part of it. And >when you do decide something sucks so much, have an intelligent reason >so you start some good open-minded conversation. 1. Does a live recording count as 2 of your 3 suggestions? 2. Intelligent reason #1--Barbershop style 3. Intelligent reason #2--Reminiscent of the Osmonds 4. Intelligent reason #3--He just plain doesn't like them So now what? I didn't know that it was a crime against the list to express an opinion--especially one that didn't attack a single person on this list, one that is actually on topic as MF played the same show as Dan, one that has indeed sparked some discussion on the list, and one that gave reasons for that position. Um, isn't the purpose of a discussion list to discuss afterall? Think I'll go back and do some paperwork become I get really grumpy or something. Pam Wow.. I was thinking the EXACT same thing last night. I went to the Mellencamp taping and went to their the "sessions" website to see when it would be airing (1/23). While I was looking at the site, i notice that the group who OPENED for Dan in Northampton, Chocolate Genius, is going to be on the 1/30 airing of "sessions" CMON is right! They were good and all, but if the groups that opened for Dan can get a half hour slot on a nation-wide PBS telecast why shouldn't Dan be able to do the same?? Maybe all of us should follow the link to the PBS site and send an email requesting a Dan taping. What do you think? Maybe when we are at it...Letterman? Conan? Leno? Later? MadTV? SNL? VH1? MTV? localCable Access? college radio? mainstream radio? we have alot of stregnth in numbers here. - -Mike - ---"Knapp, James T" wrote: > > Last night I saw Rufus Wainwright on Sessions At West 54th on PBS. Though I couldn't understand a word he said/sang I felt that this program (hosted by ex-head David Bryne) would be the perfect vehicle for our man Dan. > > So what's up Dan? Take the plunge damn it and get on this program or Letterman or something! > > jeesch. > > Frustrating that somthing so good is heard by so few! > > > JK > > http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com No shit, let's bombard them with requests for Dan. I'm sure David would like to meet him! > ---------- > From: michael given[SMTP:m_given@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 1:31 PM > To: dan-bern-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: DB C'mon Dan, get it on! > > Wow.. I was thinking the EXACT same thing last night. > I went to the Mellencamp taping and went to their the "sessions" > website to see when it would be airing (1/23). While I was looking at > the site, i notice that the group who OPENED for Dan in Northampton, > Chocolate Genius, is going to be on the 1/30 airing of "sessions" > CMON is right! They were good and all, but if the groups that opened > for Dan can get a half hour slot on a nation-wide PBS telecast why > shouldn't Dan be able to do the same?? Maybe all of us should follow > the link > to the PBS site and send an email requesting a Dan taping. What do you > think? Maybe when we are at it...Letterman? Conan? Leno? Later? MadTV? > SNL? VH1? MTV? localCable Access? college radio? mainstream radio? we > have alot of stregnth in numbers here. > > -Mike > > > > > ---"Knapp, James T" wrote: > > > > Last night I saw Rufus Wainwright on Sessions At West 54th on PBS. > Though I couldn't understand a word he said/sang I felt that this > program (hosted by ex-head David Bryne) would be the perfect vehicle > for our man Dan. > > > > So what's up Dan? Take the plunge damn it and get on this program > or Letterman or something! > > > > jeesch. > > > > Frustrating that somthing so good is heard by so few! > > > > > > JK > > > > http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > Right. So, at Chad's suggestion, I did a search for any discussion of Dan in alt.music.moxy-fruvous. What I discovered is that most of the active posters to that newsgroup are uptight goody-two-shoes types. It's really no surprise, then, given their worldview, that these people would listen to and enjoy cheesy barbershop quartet harmonies. It also explains why they would be offended by Dan's crass side and find his use of profanity to be "gratuitous". Here, have a look for yourselves: http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428871669&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=8 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428891390&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=10 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428914005&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=12 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428989440&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&hitnum=13 No wonder Chad didn't want to post any of their messages to this list, eh? Luther can you please take me off this list. At 04:22 PM 1/18/99 -0700, Luther wrote: (^ok, I'm going out of sinc, here.. >It's really no surprise, then, given their worldview, (^which is? what? morning becomes eclectic? >that these people would listen to and enjoy >cheesy barbershop quartet harmonies. (^hey.. I like CSN&Y album...Suite Judy Blue Eyes... and that gets pretty barbery. (^ "It's getting to the POINT.. where I'm no fun anymore.. I am sorry." > It also explains why they would be offended by Dan's crass side > and find his use of profanity to be "gratuitous". (^.. al this talk of over the top barberellas and stage show silliness (^reminded me of a band called BLOTTO (^ " Sellin' shoes.. another loser- (^ " working at a shopping MALL!!.." ((^woops. timewarp: WZIR in Buffalo NY: 1980. (^ Dr. Demento was touring america, doing live broadcasts coast to coast. (^ok, so Blotto was a one trick pony: later one of the first MTV videos.. (^was this farse of the beachboys. hallucinogenic tongue in cheak. (^ "I want an ocean... with some sun screening lotion.. (^ "take me to the beach.. with a thousand pertty girls in rrrEEAAAaaaaCH! " > >Right. So, at Chad's suggestion, I did a search for any discussion of Dan >in alt.music.moxy-fruvous. Here, have a look for yourselves: > http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428871669&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&h itnum=8 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428891390&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&h itnum=10 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428914005&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&h itnum=12 http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=428989440&CONTEXT=916693257.1593442309&h itnum=13 > What I discovered is that most of the active posters to that newsgroup > are uptight goody-two-shoes types. (^now did yah HAFFtuh interupt my revery with (^ "don't drink don't smoke.. what do ya do? ">--addamant (^I like a LOT of stuff: maybe too much. (^heck-gollygee whillackers, I've even listened to (^vandergraag generator back to back with Gentle Giant, into the Fuggs. (^...then again... I'm never alone with a schizophrenic. (^Quadrophinia THIS, miSTIR !!! (^..hey... speaking of talkshows.. (^is ti my immagination, or has a Dan Bern fan shrunk (^from ultramaga band lead singer.. to become a showtoon scrooge? >No wonder Chad didn't want to post any of their messages to this list, eh? > >Luther > (^ " I-eye-Iyyyee---WANNAH BE A LIFEGUARD.... helpHelpHelpHelp! " (^ " I-eye-Iyyyee---WANNAH SAVE YOUR LIFE ! ">--Blotto (^from the HelloMyNameIsBlotto record circa1980 (^perks change, y'know? (^when outside in the cold, a glance though a window isn't enough. (^but once you find the door's been open: and you're welcome to (^stay, as long as it's forever,... and the house is getting too hot... (^it is then that any window any place is the best perk around the corner. >--- bRYEnditall At 06:56 PM 1/18/99 EST, you wrote: >can you please take me off this list. > (^ no, but YOU can. 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Any other question concerning the list, problems, suggestions, etc. can be sent directly to me, Rich Davis, your list admin. at wyiwndr@eskimo.com - -- In a message dated 99-01-18 13:38:57 EST, you write: << know Dan to dismiss him after a few songs on a tape, or even in seeing him in concert, >> honestly, i dotn think that's fair..i think that basically...seeing one of dan's shows is pretty much a seller, unless there is something really upsetting dan, or if tis just a really really really off night and of the close to forty something shows that ive seen, id say that maybe there have been less then a handful of those. eva Hey Luther- You know that I usually support you but this time you have gone too far!!!!! ;-) Stick to attacking Andras or Siouxie(oops-wrong list) but lay off Moxy Fruvous.... (Gee, why wasn't I surprised to see Harry & Chad come to their defense)... Unlike Bare Naked Ladies, Moxy Fruvous has taken some really good political stands and are not afraid to speak out for what they believe in.... They played with Dan at Falcon Ridge a couple of years ago and Jian was at Dan's show in Toronto last year... They seem to like each other's music and company... If I'm not mistaken there was also some talk about Dan being Jian's personal coach a few years ago when Jian was on the Iranian Davis Cup team(AND you can look it up)... I, too, just received the Early Bottom Line show but haven't listened to it since I REALLY wanted to hear the Cry, Cry, Cry & Nields tapes first...I will listen to the Dan/Fruvous one later tonight... (apparently Fruvous was much better at the late show that night, though....if anyone has a copy of that show, please let me know).... I was pleased to see people praising Chris Chandler... I mean who would have thought he could lead the Falcons to victory over the Vikings on Sunday... Between Chris Chandler and Denver's Terrell Davis who played drums for Dan that night in Denver last year, the Super Bowl will be an all-Dan Bern affair... It's good to see folks on this list are interested in more than just baseball... George On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Luther Gaylord wrote: > Right. So, at Chad's suggestion, I did a search for any discussion of Dan > in alt.music.moxy-fruvous. What I discovered is that most of the active > posters to that newsgroup are uptight goody-two-shoes types. It's really > no surprise, then, given their worldview, that these people would listen > to and enjoy cheesy barbershop quartet harmonies. It also explains why > they would be offended by Dan's crass side and find his use of profanity > to be "gratuitous". As one of the aforementioned active posters on that group, I'm gonna guess I am not offended by Dan's crass side and don't find his use of profanity to be "gratuitous". Knowing me pretty well, I'm gonna think I really love Dan's music. I admire Dan's approach to opening people's minds and challenging them to think about things. <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:17:27 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: The Sad Reality of a College Student's Life I thought that was a Tesserac. Or Tesseract. Or something. Danny Dunn books. Read them all *so* long ago. - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc "Reply to" address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. *new e-mail* afru@direct.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole the Wonder Nerd wrote in article <36a2a168.3403690@news.ucdavis.edu>... > On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:11:06 GMT, petit_chou@juno.com wrote: .>> What does Tesser mean? Oi. > A warp in space/time. Read "A Wrinkle In Time" and all will become > clear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:10:33 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: The Sad Reality of a College Student's Life I think you guys know I'm just a hop and a skip north of you. And FWIW I too will not be at the Con. - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc "Reply to" address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. *new e-mail* afru@direct.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- JennCyn wrote in article <19990117215239.09885.00003418@ng-fi1.aol.com>... > > And barren it is. I keep checking each concert update hoping to see > > something in this area (I'll go to Oregon and BC, c'mon!), but to no > > avail. I think it's down to me and JenCyn out here, since George moved > > away. Are there any other PNW Fru-heads? Hello? > > ('ello...'llo...'lo...'o...) Anybody there? > > ('here...'ere...'re...'e...) > > Are we..... alone out here....? ::jenn clings to heather's arm, looks with > dismay into the echoing spaces and wonders what's moving out there in the misty > shadows beneath the evergreens.....:: > > .... c'mon, fellow Northwesterners, speak up. :) > > - jenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:07:16 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: This is not as long as it looks (Reunion Scene Response included!) After many many Princess Bride related posts, Katie said: >i was in fifth grade :). it was a reeeeeeally long thing that said >that neither side could be contacted to give permission for the scene to >be distributed . . . copyright laws . . . yadda yadda yadda . . . Okay, guys. Firstly, if you are a big fan, GO OUT AND GET THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION! It's got mucho stuff that isn't in the original (for example, a new mega-introduction talking about the book, the movie, and the last 25 years of the book's success as well as a chapter from the sequel, "Buttercup's Baby."). Get thee to a bookstore and purchase! Now. What I want to say concerning the controversial "reunion scene" is this. Goldman's response to an inquiry is posted on line on the website ( it's www.randomhouse.com/princessbride/ ). There is also much stuff of interest for any self-proclaimed Princess Bride Fan. If you want the response, just put your e-mail addy in the little box (after clicking "reunion scene" on the main page) and it'll be sent to you really quickly. Enjoy. Actually, I found my copy in the recesses of my e-mail files, so I'm going to attach it here. Beware, it's long, so g'ahead and delete this if you don't care. But, if you're only partially curious, read on cause it's really funny. Well, kids, it's time to retire for the night. I have done enough spreading of love for one day. *yawn* Sleep well, all. Heather "Buttercup Spice" Moore (let it never be said that I don't help you guys out once in a while! tee hee) Response to Inquiry for Reunion Scene Follows (verbatim): * * * * * * * The Reunion Scene from THE PRINCESS BRIDE 25th Anniversary Edition by William Goldman A hardcover from The Ballantine Publishing Group December 1998 WILLIAM GOLDMAN Dear Reader, Thank you for sending in, and, no, this is not the reunion scene, because of a certain roadblock named Kermit Shog. As soon as bound books were ready, I got a call from my lawyer, Charley--(you may not remember, but Charley's the one I called from California to go down in the blizzard and buy THE PRINCESS BRIDE from the used-book dealer). Anyway, he usually begins with Talmudic humor, wisdom jokes, only this time he just says, "Bill, I think you better get down here, "and before I'm even allowed a 'why?' he adds, "Right away if you can." Panicked, I zoom down, wondering who could have died, did I flunk my tax audit, what? His secretary lets me into his office and Charley says, "This is Mr. Shog, Bill." And there he is, sitting in the corner, hands on his briefcase, looking exactly like an oily version of Peter Lorre. I really expected him to say, "Give me the Falcon, you must, or I'll be forced to keeel you." "Mr. Shog is a lawyer," Charley goes on. And this next was said underlined: "_He represents the Morgenstern estate._" Who knew? Who could have dreamed such a thing existed, an estate of a man dead at least a million years that no one ever heard of over here anyway? "Perhaps you will give me the Falcon now, "Mr. Shog said. That's not true. What he said was, "Perhaps you will like a few words with your client alone now," and Charley nodded and out he went, and once he was gone I said, "Charley, my god I never figured--"and he said, "Did Harcourt?"* and I said, "Not that they ever mentioned" and he said, "Ooch," the grunting sound lawyers make when they know they've backed a loser. "What does he want?" I said. "A meeting with Mr. Jovanovich," Charley answered. Now, William Jovanovich is a pretty busy fella, but it's amazing when you're confronted with a potential multibillion-dollar lawsuit how fast you can wedge in a meeting. We trooped over. All the Harcourt Brass was there, I'm there, Charley; Mr. Shog, who would sweat in an igloo he's so swarthy, is streaming. Harcourt's lawyer started things: "We're terribly terribly sorry, Mr. Shog. It's an unforgivable oversight, and please accept our sincerest apologies." Mr. Shog said, "That's a beginning, since all you did was defame and ridicule the greatest modern master of Florinese prose who also happened to be for many years a friend of my family." Then the business head of Harcourt said, "All right, how much do you want?" Biiiig mistake. _"Money?"_ Mr. Shog cried. "You think this is petty blackmail that brings us together? _Resurrection_ is the issue, sir. Morgenstern must be undefiled. You will published the original version." And now a look at me. "In the _unabridged_ form." I said, "I'm done with it, I swear. True, there's just the reunion scene business we printed up, but there's not liable to be a rush on that, so it's all past as far as I'm concerned." But Mr. Shog wasn't done with me: "_You, _ who _dared_ to _defame_ a _master'_ characters are going to put _your_ words in their mouths? Nossir. No. I say." "It's just a little thing, " I tried; " a couple pages only." Then Mr. Jovanovich started talking softly. "Bill, I think we might skip sending out the reunion scene just now, don't you think?" I made a nod. Then he turned to Mr. Shog. "We'll print the unabridged. You're a man who is interested in immortality for his client, and there aren't as many of you around in publishing as there used to be. You're a gentleman, sir." "Thank you," from Mr. Shog; "I like to think I am, at least on occasion." For the first time, he smiled. We all smiled. Very buddy-buddy now. Then, an addendum from Mr. Shog: "Oh. Yes. Your first printing of the unabridged will be 100,000 copies." So far, there are thirteen lawsuits, only eleven involving me directly. Charley promises nothing will come to court and that eventually Harcourt will publish the unabridged. But legal maneuvering takes time. The copyright on Morgensterns runs out in early '78, and all of you who wrote in are having your names put alphabetically on computer, so whichever happens first, the settlement or the year, you'll get your copy. The last I was told, Kermit Shog was willing to come down on his first printing provided Harcourt agreed to published the sequel to THE PRINCESS BRIDE, which hasn't been translated into English yet, much less published here. The title of the sequel is: Buttercup's Baby: S. Morgenstern's Glorious Examination of Courage Matched Against the Death of the Heart. I'd never heard of it, naturally, but there's a Ph.D. candidate in Florinese Lit up at Columbia who's going through it now. I'm kind of interested in what he has to say. - --William Goldman P.S. I'm really sorry about this, but you know the story that ends, "disregard previous wire, letter follows?" Well, you've got to disregard the business about the Morgenstern copyright running out in '78. That was a definite boo-boo but Mr. Shog, being Florinese, has trouble, naturally, with our numbering system. The copyright runs out in '87,, not '78. Worse, he died. Mr. Shog I mean. (Don't ask how could you tell. It was easy. One morning he just stopped sweating, so there it was.) What makes it worse that the whole affair is now in the hands of his kid, named--wait for it--Mandrake Shog. Mandrake moves with all the verve and speed of a lizard flaked out on a river bank. The only good thing that's happened in this whole mess is I finally got a shot at reading Buttercup's Baby. Up at Columbia they feel it's definitely superior to The Princess Bride/B> in satirical content. Personally, I don't have the emotional attachment to it, but it's a helluva story, no question. Give it a look-see when you have a chance. - --August, 1978 P.P.S. This is getting humiliating. Have you been reading in the papers about the trade problems America is having with Japan? Well, maddening as this may be, since it reflects on the reunion scene, we're also having trade problems with Florin which, it turns out, is our leading supplier of Cadminium which, it also turns out, NASA is panting for. So all Florence-American litigation, which includes the thirteen law suits, has officially been put on hold. What this means is that the reunion scene, for now, is caught between our need for Cadmium and diplomatic relations between the two countries. But at least the movie got made. Mandrake Shog was shown it, and word reached me he even smiled once or twice. Hope springs eternal. - --May, 1987 *THE PRINCESS BRIDE was first published in hardcover in 1973 by Harcourt Brace Jovanovich. Use of this excerpt from THE PRINCESS BRIDE by William Goldman may be made only for purposes of promoting the book, with no changes, editing or additions whatsoever and must be accompanied by the following copyright notice: copyright (c) 1973 by William Goldman. All Rights Reserved. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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