From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #143 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson] Fruvous Dreams [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: [Re: Happy Rushmas] [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: "Whoa! Hey!" said Marion [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide] Re: Bizarro delirium-induced Frudream [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Lue] Re: Fruvous Dreams [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Let your voice be heard! [cookie ] Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) [Chad Schrock ] Re: Holiday Music [Chad Schrock ] Re: Fruvous Pick-up Lines Part II [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: "Whoa! Hey!" said Marion [hKatherine@ehmail.com] Re: Holiday Music ["P. Gruneberg" ] This place rocks ["BigGunz" ] Re: Gulf and the pres [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Gulf War: Take Two (Was Gulf War Part II, Gulf War Song II, etc) [bo] Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) [bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah)] The Pres [bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah)] Re: Indie Tapes and Other Stuff [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] Re: This place rocks [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] Re: Fruvous Dreams [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] Re: Gulf and the pres [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:53:33 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:33:06 EST Srm9988n@aol.com writes: >snip< >In all fairness to Bill, what everyone (including Jian!!!) seems to >forget is >that Clinton's never called himself a liberal. >snip< Jian forgets things? Never! I wont believe it! =+P ' ' =+) >-- Lori, who's always been conflicted by Clinton, but who has >supported >him because just look at the alternative (if you have the stomach for >it, >which she doesn't.) > true true. I see where you're coming from. Fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:38:36 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Fruvous Dreams Had one Fruday (that was a typo, honestly! Gotta love it!) while I was napping -- that always seems to be when the seriously wacky takes over my subconscious. Anyway: I was watching tv with Steve, and he started screwing around with the VCR to tape Star Trek, at which point the tv got messed up and started jumping from channel to channel. I was pretty ticked, but stopped complaining when it stopped at a channel featuring Fruvous singing Sad Girl in-studio, as a promotion for their new album, "A Trumpet Called Fruvous" (???!!) "coming soon to stores near you!" the weird thing, in addition to the trumpet-title (which came rather obviously from Andrew's recent woes with said instrument -- but do any of the lads play it, I wonder?) was that Mike was singing lead on SG. There's also another song out there called Sad Girl, been getting a lot of play lately on 'XPN. The artists' name escapes me. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:49:43 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: [Re: Happy Rushmas] LOLOLOL! I miss that song =+) Fruchild On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:17:13 GMT Angie Armstrong writes: >[ I would be more than happy >>to have Rush tortured at my bonfire. Consider it a Solstice gift to >me... > >Did anyone else start humming the chorus to Johnny Cash's Ring of >Fire? >"I went down down down, and the flames burned higher..."] > >actually, Heather... it was more like: > >"The Rush, the Rush, the Rush is on Fire... >We don't need no water let the mo-fo burn!" > > >--Angie, with way too many posts to go > > > > >Like a stone in a stream, Life smooths all our edges 'til we barely >make a ripple anymore --Edwin McCain > >____________________________________________________________________ >More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at >http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:47:39 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) Mindy/Fruchild wrote: > Dont worry about it now...Hes impeached. Maybe now we can get a *real* > democrat in the house... Yeah, but still I really doubt he'll be convicted (okay, I AM delusional chad .... but it keeps me happy :) ) Especially when the new, more Democratic Senate takes office in January. In all fairness to Bill, what everyone (including Jian!!!) seems to forget is that Clinton's never called himself a liberal. That label was foisted on him by the Republicans. Within the Democratic Party he's always been a centrist. In fact he founded a nouveau-Democrat group with a few other moderates in the mid-80s after Mondale and then Dukakis got whalloped by Reagan/Bush, because he and these other moderates thought the liberal wing of the party was out of touch with the country's concerns. You can argue that point with him 'till the cows come home, but at least let's bury the idea that he's tried to pretend to be a liberal. He's only liberal compared to the goofballs who've been after him for the last six years. - -- Lori, who's always been conflicted by Clinton, but who has supported him because just look at the alternative (if you have the stomach for it, which she doesn't.) (And hey, if Bill can hang in there at least until January 20th we can get two full terms out of Al Gore...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:36:20 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: "Whoa! Hey!" said Marion In article , tsalyers@dimensional.com says... > Tom > ...who could use a little gushing every now and again. He is rilly rilly cuuute, girls, with that fuzzy buzz-cut 'n' all. Especially when he's pouting 'cause nobody's gushing over him, but if you did, it would make his day. :) k@ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:28:28 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: Bizarro delirium-induced Frudream In article <19981219.232639.-4036755.3.SHAZALINREA@juno.com>, shazalinrea@juno.com says... > Im so sorry! Are you okay hun? If I had know I would have driven to > where ever you are and cared for you! Maybe cookies or something.... > Fruchild, concerned and wondering if it isnt more than *just* a cold Thanks for your concern, Mindy...I think I'll be okay. It's definitely just a cold, and I know exactly how I caught it (and it *wasn't* worth it). It's been downgraded to just sorta nasty now, and I haven't had any more nightmares. k@ Cookies would be bad for the diet anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:04:31 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: Fruvous Dreams There is alos another Bittersweet but it doesnt even compare! WEll, I found my dream journal and was going to write to you teh nightmare, but considering that I write EVERY aspect of my dreams in it, I decided not to leave out in the open.... Oh yah! Im so good! It was under my unhung Live noise poster by my bed... maybe Ill just write all of my dreams inc. moxy. Hope this doesnt piss ya off. Maybe I wont do them all at once. Wow! these are wacked! If you follow congrats.... *= present day commentary 8/3-8/4/98 1st recorded Fruvous dream: "My dream started out like some wierd horror flick. We (2guys, a girl, and me)had to kill a guy who was already dead and all this crap. Now 1st there is already some background information that just happened to be known to me. I kissed "Ricky" when the other guy liked me(Ricky was pictured as the guy who played the orphan on Belle Mafia), but he didn't find out. He Also liked the other girl and in the midst of the dead guy chasing us she kisses Ricky rite when he walks in*the guy who likes her not the dead guy*. There was big confusion+unhappiness+we all got weapons to fight the dead guy. Ricky and the other girl and she "Accidently"*i have no idea why thats in quotes* stabs Ricky. The two of the go to the hospital and me and the other guy have to get the dead guy on our own. We supposedly do and go over to the nieghbors for dinner. We bring noodles/icecream *I think i meant noodles on ice cream* and pie. Odd, I know. *Frucontent!!!!* Then Jian comes over and for some reason hes with this other band. He's Hes being very nice to me, but he has to go play for another city. As they *the band I think* slowly pull out of the drive*way* my dog starts to follow and they reach out the window and grag her. (This does not inc. Jian) Then they drop her as they speed up. I yell at them to stop the van and then beat the crap out of the guy who did it. Jian gets out of the van and tends to my dog. He tells the band that he refuses to stay with them. We end up getting married and this is where the story gets really weird. *as if Jian marrying me wasn't wierd enough* Somehow I was once a person in the bandand I'm rising on my own *I get in now! I meant becoming famous not floating!*. Jian doesnt want to hold me down, so he leaves me and lives in homeless shelters. He runs into "my" ex-band and they threaten to kill him, so he runs off and in the meantime im missing him and becoming president or something. And thats about it." Wack, huh? I supposedly don't use grammer skill while writing down dreams. Then again, I don't really use 'em in any other case =+). Be afraid, be very afraid Fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:32:39 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Let your voice be heard! Hello everyone! I was just reading an article on the Washington Post's web page, and found a link to this page: http://www.votenet.com/capads/wp_impeach.html This is a page where you can vote to either keep or remove President Clinton from office. The program automatically sends your thoughts and comments to your representatives in the Senate and the House based on your zip code! Cool, eh? Check it out, and remember: Vote early and vote often! Cookie Respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:27:16 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > (And hey, if Bill can hang in there at least until January 20th > we can get two full terms out of Al Gore...) Actually, if Clinton resigns now, Gore will be an incumbant going into the Prez elections in 2000. Meaning that he would have a better chance of getting elected. Then, I think that he would still be eligible to run for two terms, leaving him in office, theoretically, for 10 years. Of course, those 10 years will probably be less interesting than the Eisenhower administration. - -- chad at radix dot net Hail to the Chief, He's the one we all say hail to. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:09:50 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Holiday Music P. Gruneberg wrote: > > www.arrogant-worms.com > > Sort of the FDC of the Worm's world, if you will... :) > And I HIGHLY recomend this CD. I love it!! Cool. Thanks. > And I'd also like to throw in a vote for Bob and Doug MacKenzie's > "12 Days of Christmas": 5 golden touques, 4 pounds of back bacon, > 3 french toasts, 2 turtle necks and a beer....... in a tree..... > * but Canadians are NOT LIKE THAT!!!! :)* I've heard that. It's a cool song. ;) > :) Veronica (trapped at my parents, and wishing my friends, > grandparents and boyfriend had remembered my birthday <21 > as of yesterday>) Happy Birthday!!! - -- chad at radix dot net ..and a beer. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 1998 23:40:44 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: Fruvous Pick-up Lines Part II Is that a free bag of popcorn in your hand or are you just happy to see me? Love your shapely curves and bends... got any friends? ~jen *~~~"Measure your life in love"~~~* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:29:22 GMT From: hKatherine@ehmail.com Subject: Re: "Whoa! Hey!" said Marion In article , tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) wrote: > In article <75i2am$bno$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Marie.Claude@canada.com > (Marie.Claude@canada.com) says... > > > ... unless you want to gush all over Richard, which is something that is > > apparently permissible to all ;P > > Or, y'know, *Tom*. > > -- > Tom > ...who could use a little gushing every now and again. Hey! Never let it be said that I've never gushed over you, Tom. That is, when I'm not writing up FedEx labels in the hopes that some delivery guy will mistake me for a package and deliver me to your B-movie harem! ;) hKath, who *hearts* Tom (as much as Kat will let her) - -- "Don't you hate it when you find out your ex-girlfriend's not fat anymore?" -- Topon Das - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:57:28 GMT From: "P. Gruneberg" Subject: Re: Holiday Music > >I've heard that. It's a cool song. ;) I've had many an argument about the likeness of Bob and Doug to all Canadians. I get a little defensive! :) but it's still really, really funny, and not Christmas until I've heard it. <"and the barber kept on cutting"> - gratuitous Sesame Street reference (obscure, too) >Happy Birthday!!! Thanks!! I feel old... wait, that's another thread. It's just that 21 was alsways an age I associated with grown-ups (my parents were my age when they got married) And if there's one thing I'm not, it's grown up. I got a Bouncing Tigger for my birthday for crying out loud!! Bouncing's what Tiggers do best! :) Veronica ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:44:14 GMT From: "BigGunz" Subject: This place rocks Yo I would just like to say that this place rocks. I am new to the group and like that the people here actually know about MF unlike most other FRUV message boards I have found. I have been a fruvhead since 97 and am relatively a newbie but they ROCK!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ "Born to be a fruvhead" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:45:30 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Gulf and the pres shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) delighted us with: >That is anything *but * the issue. Hes a pathological liar. *That* is >what makes him ineffiecent. His own mother agrees with that fact! Okee, kids. (I call *everyone* this. Do not get offended. Please.) Let's all count to ten. I don't care what his mother says, what you say here is just not fair. Until you are the president of the United States for a few years, you don't know what the pressure is like, and you don't know how much power you really have, and you don't know exactly *how* you are affected. I am not trying to argue the "he's the president, he should be forgiven because he had oh so many other things to worry about" thing here. But I *am* going to remind you that the pressure put on him was beyond anything a "mere mortal" would have ever experienced. Many people lie about their extramarital/extrarelationship sexual relationships; that's a sad truth of the Western society. The repercussions are just SO dire. It is SUCH a crime. So he did too. I don't think he had any idea that this would go this far, that Monica and Paula and Ken would take it that far. That must have sounded ludicrous to him; it did to many other people, as well. That doesn't make him a pathological liar. Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "The wonderful thing about Shakespeare is that when it's done well, it makes people feel smarter than they are. As opposed to dumber than they are. There is really no in-between." - Spencer Golub ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1998 02:23:56 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: Re: Gulf War: Take Two (Was Gulf War Part II, Gulf War Song II, etc) >Anyway, the men and women of our armed forces; our brothers and sisters, >cousins, sons, daughters, etc; are over there, risking their lives to out >right something that has been wrong for years. It's not by their choice: >they were ordered there. >We're not risking our lives. The President isn't. >They are. Whether we support these strikes or not, shouldn't we support our >family members, our friends that are over there, fighting for freedom? I have to keep retyping this because it keeps coming out angry. And i keep losing my trend of thought because it's hard to be angry and at the sametime listen to RuPaul's Christmas album so all my thoughts are getting mixed up. I have for the longest time wanted to serve my country through peaceful means by joining the Peace Corp. Things in my life have not quite fallen into place as of yet so that i am able to, but i believe that i will be able to someday. SO here i go to the point.The people who join the military chose to serve their country by "carrying a gun". They are well compensated for it. They will receive benefits that i could never conceive of because of this. I could have joined the military and received a free education for it. I chose not to and instead put myself through college the oldfashion way. I paid for every credit myself without the benefit of financial aid. This path i chose put me in guite a bit of debt. One of the stipulations of joining the Peace Corps is that you have to be debt free. There are thousands of people who serve their country without carrying a gun. They deserve the same respect and benefits as those who chose to "carry a gun". They all the glory and support we seem to want to give those in the military. jude ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1998 02:46:27 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) >Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > >> (And hey, if Bill can hang in there at least until January 20th >> we can get two full terms out of Al Gore...) That would make Tipper first lady. Yikes !!! jude ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1998 03:00:04 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: The Pres I read in the paper the other day that our fine federal government ended a program that gave blankets to the homeless. Their reasoning, no more money. So what other programs are we going to have to give up in order that we can have a president who sets a moral standard for the rest of us to follow? jude ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:35:28 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: Indie Tapes and Other Stuff On 19 Dec 1998 22:10:56 GMT, kevin@kevin.research-inc.com () wrote: >>Um, okay, this is gonna come out weird...Kevin, this is Frunique, if >>you remember me from Moxychat. I can't seem to email you, the >>messages keep getting sent back to me. So I just wanted to tell you >>that I'm making your tape this weekend and will have it sent out by >>early next week. And that I'm eagerly awaiting my tapes...:) > >Cool, sounds good... I e-mailed you so now you should have a working >e-mail address for future use. > >Kevin Way >moxy at overtone dot org. Hey Kev, I still have your XPN tape. Give me a call and/or email to work out the ransom :) By the way, are you going to NYE??? - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:12:03 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: Immigration (was: Gulf War II) On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:27:16 -0500, Chad Schrock wrote: > >Actually, if Clinton resigns now, Gore will be an incumbant >going into the Prez elections in 2000. Meaning that he would >have a better chance of getting elected. Then, I think that >he would still be eligible to run for two terms, leaving him >in office, theoretically, for 10 years. > > >Of course, those 10 years will probably be less interesting than >the Eisenhower administration. > > Chad, but if the past year has been an example of an interesting administration, I could go for a little boredom :) - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:05:03 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: This place rocks On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:44:14 GMT, "BigGunz" wrote: > Yo I would just like to say that this place rocks. I am new to the group >and like that the people here actually know about MF unlike most other FRUV >message boards I have found. I have been a fruvhead since 97 and am >relatively a newbie but they ROCK!!!!!!! > >________________________________________________________________________ >"Born to be a fruvhead" Welcome! Here's the obligatory pointer to fruvous.com or the home of all things Fruvous. We're glad to have you aboard, and hope you stick around. You're right, they rock! You're also in the right place :) - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:08:50 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: Fruvous Dreams On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:38:36 GMT, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >Had one Fruday (that was a typo, honestly! Gotta love it!) while >I was napping -- that always seems to be when the seriously wacky >takes over my subconscious. Anyway: > >I was watching tv with Steve, and he started screwing around with >the VCR to tape Star Trek, at which point the tv got messed up and >started jumping from channel to channel. I was pretty ticked, but >stopped complaining when it stopped at a channel featuring Fruvous >singing Sad Girl in-studio, as a promotion for their new >album, "A Trumpet Called Fruvous" (???!!) "coming soon to stores >near you!" > >the weird thing, in addition to the trumpet-title (which came rather >obviously from Andrew's recent woes with said instrument -- but do any >of the lads play it, I wonder?) was that Mike was singing lead on SG. > Well, Mike and Jian play "air-trumpet" on YWGTTM :) Does that count? Yes I am the grouchy flamingo, - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:02:45 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: Gulf and the pres On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:45:30 GMT, vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) wrote: > >Many people lie about their extramarital/extrarelationship sexual >relationships; that's a sad truth of the Western society. The >repercussions are just SO dire. It is SUCH a crime. So he did too. >I don't think he had any idea that this would go this far, that Monica >and Paula and Ken would take it that far. That must have sounded >ludicrous to him; it did to many other people, as well. That doesn't >make him a pathological liar. > > I'm going to wade into this murky issue even though I promised myself that I wouldn't.... A further point in my mind, aside from lying about extramarital relationships, is what right do we have to *know* about his personal relationships? On this very newsgroup, we have debated the issue of privacy, and we've seemed to reach a consensus that the personal relationships and private lives of the members of Fruvous are none of our business. How does that same right to privacy not extend to Bill Clinton? I absolutely refuse to get outraged because members of congress pushed Clinton to find out where/when he'd crack. OK, he lied, and I'm not condoning that, but neither can I condone what congress did to his civil liberties, and Monica's, by forcing them to testify in front of a grand jury about issues that did not actually involve a crime. The whole thing smacked of malicious prosecution, and personal vendetta, and I am disturbed by the precedent it sets. If they can do it to the prez, they can do it to anyone, and I am not so much of a hypocrite as to suggest that there is nothing in my life that I would not feel compelled to shield from public knowledge if someone were to dig, and probe and force. In other words, I too might lie. *waits for the gasps of outrage to die down* My final thoughts here start with a question. Why does everyone seem to think that morality must be equated with a person's fitness to perform the duties of presidency? I'm not talking about crime here, I'm talking about digging into a person's private life for dirt (ala Monica Lewinsky). This would not be an issue for a CEO, an automechanic, or a supermarket cashier. The presidency is also a job, and a person's abilities to do the job well should be the issue, not their privatel lives. The president is a human being with faults like anyone else, and with personal morality issues, just like anyone else, but can he do the job we expect of him? How can we expect him, or any one person to represent a nation as diverse as ours on a personal level? Stick to the issues, because when we demand to know, and judge a person's private life, when we expect a person to live up to the personal standards of diverse people, we are asking for an image. A false image, which we then knock down through the media, etc. We only hurt ourselves. I'm not sure if I've actually communicated my thoughts thoroughly, the way I'd like, but I made a start. I'll take care of my own morality, and leave others to theirs. Just give me a president who can represent my interests in the government of my country, and I'll consider it a job well done. You have my thanks if you've actually read this far :) Peace - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #143 ********************************************