From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #128 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bottom Line shows [Paul Bonphatti ] Re: new to the group! [Chad Maloney ] Re: IRC thingie ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Indie Tape ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Bottom Line shows [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell)] Re: Indie Tape ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Indie Tape [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell)] Vote for Used Music Stores [Caitlin ] Re: Vote for Used Music Stores [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell)] Re: California Dreamline [cookie ] Re: from I need help to Saturday AM cartoons [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSyste] Off-topic: Used CDs (was Indie Tape) [koogle@clark.net] Re: Bottom Line shows [Chad Maloney ] Re: Indie Tape [Josh Drury ] Re: Indie tape [Josh Drury ] Re: Indie Tape [kevin@mail.research-inc.com ()] Re: [Re: from I need help to Saturday AM cartoons] [Angie Armstrong Subject: Bottom Line shows What will the Bottom Line shows be like? Is there going to be a big difference between each day's shows? what about within a certain day? Will the second show be like the first one? I don't think I can afford to drop $20 for four shows, but I want to get a thorough dose of Fruvous. Thoughts? - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:28:11 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: new to the group! Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > Tall Chad, Brent's *already* found FDC. :) > Really? How could you tell? My portable Celine Dion's Psychic Helper is in need of repair I guess ;) - Chad (whose motto in life is "One can never be referred to FDC enough. Never. Ever.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:42:17 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: IRC thingie petit_chou@juno.com wrote: > > We hear he also owns K-Marts > > Is this person, by any chance, from Utah? > > My boss is from Utah, and he does an impression of "Utah-speak." He says > things like "K-Marts" and "Wal-Marts" and "Val-a-times" and "Moudins." > (i.e. K-Mart, Wal-Mart, Valentines, Mountains) It's the funniest thing > ever. Making company names possessive is also a Michigan thing. Many people will tell you that they work at Ford's or Chrysler's (now Daimler-Chrysler's). :) Those two examples are fairly limited to the very working class, but everybody around here says K-mart's, Meijer's, Ward's, Kroger's, Farmer Jack's etc. A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:01:30 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Indie Tape Vika Zafrin raised an interesting issue: > > Chad Schrock delighted us with: > > >If we didn't have used music/book stores, we would be lacking, > >perhaps, the coolest stores in existence. > > Agreed. One thing I'm confused about is why the used stuff stores > came up in the first place, since their schtick is to sell CDs > *cheaper* than they would be new. Actioning stuff off is a different > thing entirely, in this (albeit warped) mind. I think it came up because the issue at one time seemed to be whether cds can morally be resold without giving additional profit to the band. In that argument price doesn't come into it. Frankly I don't see where price comes into it anyway. Used record stores don't sell cds cheaper that retail as favors to poor customers. They do so because that is what the market will bare. If a valuable or "collectable" cd comes through their doors (and they are smart enough to recognize it) you can bet they are going to charge a lot more than original retail price. Check out what 1st pressing Beatles records go for sometime. Yikes! A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:46:41 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: Bottom Line shows On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:59:38 GMT, Krista wrote: >Colleen Campbell wrote: >> > Ner. Thank you. :) > Hear, hear!! Beautifully said :-)! I bought "50 Eggs" last >Saturday, and I haven't taken it out of my CD player yet. Fantastic >stuff! Actually, that's my least favorite of the four--not that I don't enjoy it. I agree, it's overproduced (though I do love Ani DiFranco; she's another of my top-six artists), and it doesn't really have much in the way of the spoken-word postmodern surrealistic stuff that I think especially amazing. I do like the version of "One Thing Real," but I prefer the version on "Smartie Mine" ($15 for two disks! pick it up from him when you see him!). If you haven't already gotten his others, Krista, I recommend that you do. The EP, "Dog Boy Van," has "Talkin' Alien Abduction Blues" in it, which makes me laugh every single time I hear it; "Dan Bern" has "Wasteland," one of my all-time favorite recordings ever; and "Smartie Mine" has "Gamblin' With my Love," "True Revolutionaries," and "Chelsea Hotel," without which my collection would be greatly lacking. cee, who decided y'all hadn't heard her ramble quite enough about Dan, hence subjects you to more. .. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:29:23 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Indie Tape kevin@mail.research-inc.com wrote: > the difference, in my twisted little mind, between used cars and used cds is > simple. a used cd is identical to a new cd, but at a lower price, thereby > undercutting discs which pay things like artist royalties. a used car on > the otherhand is not identical to a new car. cars have a limited lifespan > and people who buy used cars are making a comprimise in expected lifetime, > maintenance costs and other such things. people who buy used cds on the > other hand make no compromises. they are buying the exact same product, > with the same expected lifetime, in the same condition, but for less money. Ok, but CDs are rather unique. The used recording business did not begin with CDs it began with records. Now records, I'm sure you will admit, have a life span, and are not exactly the same new as used. They therefore fit your interpretation of the car analogy perfectly. I therefore am assuming you have no problem with the resale of records. So your issue with used recording sales arises only with the advent of digital recording? Ok. People did wring their hands about that, as I recall, when CDs first started being sold, but you know, I don't have a lot of sympathy. It was the record companies themselves who propagated the switch over to CD. Since they get the majority of the profits from recording sales, it seems that if they were truly afraid that a digital recording was going to undercut their market that they would not have pushed the demise of the LP the way they did. Again I reiterate, I see no evidence that the sale of used CDs undercuts sales of new cds in any meaningful way. As far as hurting the artist, the artists most likely to be "hurt" by used sales are the ones who have the largest number of discs in circulation. (Pearl Jam for example--a used record store favorite!) these artists however, are also the ones who have already made the most on initial retail sales. They can afford the glut of their product better than anyone else. On the other hand, a band like Moxy Fruvous is hardly "hurt" at all by used recording sales. When I go into a used CD store, it is noteworthy if I find even 1 Moxy Fruvous CD available. There are far fewer in circulation so there are fewer in the used stores. Moxy has earned less overall than Pearl Jam, but they are also losing very few retail sales to used CD stores. Also, of course there is the factor that a band such as Fruvous inspires an almost fanatical (ha ha!) loyalty amongst its fans. Very few of them are ever going to sell any of their recordings. This can be seen in the rarity of the Indie tape (remember the Indie Tape? This is a thread about the Indie Tape...) which sold, I understand, over 50,000 copies. That is like 2.6 tapes per Canadian! :D (j/k) So many tapes, and you never see them in the stores. I don't think Moxy is being hurt by used recording sales at all. Whoof! A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:11:17 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: Indie Tape On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:02:28 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: >> If Fruvous seriously asked me to erase my indie tape--well, ouch. If >> they were offended by their work at the time, morally opposed to it in >> some way (they regreted the "blow me" reference in the background that >> everyone else seems to be able to hear that I can't, fer example), >> then I would probably think about it a long time and regretfully >> dispose of the work. > >If they were morally offended by it, but you were not you would dispose of >it? If they regretted having made it and were ashamed on a moral level of having done so, and I knew that my listening to it was doing something that would hurt them, if they knew of it, then yes, I think I actually would. Let me put it another way. I knew nothing about Starbucks (the corporate aspect, I mean) until they started bringing it up at shows. I personally have nothing against Starbucks coffee and pastries, except that I think they're pretty wretched; if I hadn't known, due to the moral offense Fruvous feels at Starbucks (from what they've said, anyway), that there's a reason one might consider boycotting them, I would have gone ahead and bought their wretched pastries at the airport. I choose not to, now. This is not to say I'm a mindless pawn of Fruvous's, but that I take into consideration moral values *such as they espouse* when evaluating choices on which they've taken a stance. I wouldn't boycott Starbucks just because they say, "Ew, Starbucks pastries are wretched," but I considered and chose to boycott them when they brought to my attention that Starbucks is a corporate entity which I disrespect. In a much more relevant way, then, I would not dispose of a work of Fruvous's just because they weren't proud of it, they felt they'd grown beyond it. I would, however--I think--if they said, "Look, we think less of ourselves morally, we've done something against our current better ethical judgment, and we'd appreciate it if you'd choose not to honor that bad ethical judgment by supporting the product." In a way, they'd be asking me to boycott themselves, and out of respect for them as artists, I think I would comply. It's a personal thing. I'm not advocating that others do, any more than I would advocate that anyone else follow my taste in music, spirituality, literature, or wretched Starbucks pastries. >That should then mean that you WOULD trash all your Cat Stevens records >since hs is now morally opposed to his previous position. This begs the question that I own Cat Stevens records, now don't it? I don't, actually. I own no records, and I don't own anymore the one CD of his collected "greatest hits" that I once had, though not because I was complying with any moral position of his. > Frankly I don't >see why you would follow such a request from people who do not share your >moral viewpoint. I mean if the frufour became Extreme Evangelical >Christians, and repudiated all their work as demonspawn would you feel >compelled to destroy your copies? I know I wouldn't. No, but I'm not talking about the hypothetical above situation--destroying the indie tape because they were morally opposed to it--under the assumption that they would be changing their own moral stance to ask of me that I dispose of their work. If they became moral majority rightist radicals, I would likely no longer respect them as people (and likely wouldn't respect their subsequent output), hence I wouldn't comply with the request, any more than I would comply with a request from them, at that point, to picket an abortion clinic or destroy my Dan Bern albums. >I don't believe any creative work should ever be destroyed. Knowledge lost >is lives wasted. All works should be preserved for posterity. Mmmmm. . . Fahrenheit 451. >Besides, just because I purchase the work of an artist, does that mean must >spend the rest of my life monitoring his or her opinion of the work? No, I'm not suggesting that you should, nor would I do so myself. I don't know nearly as much about the political views of most of the bands I follow, nor do I have such a profound respect for them. I also was not addressing the opinion of the band, but the moral position. If I, for example, had written a homophobic, bad story when I was young [hypthetical situation; I haven't], I would be embarrassed by the bad writing quality, were someone to see it today, but I would be *offended* by the content, no matter how badly or well written it was. cee, thinking herself prosaic but hopefully sincere ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:26:21 -0800 From: Caitlin Subject: Vote for Used Music Stores I've never actually thought about used CDs taking money away from the artist. I've just always blessed their existance... for example, while doing my holiday shopping last night I finally managed to dig up a copy of the World Cafe vol. 4 disk, which includes everybody's favourite band, the Nields, the Cowboy Junkies... I never would have found this in the new section of any store these days. Besides, where possible I highly recommend not buying *new* music in stores... buy direct from the artist! ____ \ /__ Caitlin Xantha Hazen \/ / caitlin@wayward-volvo.org \/ http://www.wayward-volvo.org/xanthe.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:04:44 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: Vote for Used Music Stores On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:26:21 -0800, Caitlin wrote: >Besides, where possible I highly recommend not buying *new* music in >stores... buy direct from the artist! Aaaaactually. . . Fruvous themselves prefer now that people buy their music in stores. When they sell the albums themselves, yes, they get a larger cut (er, I think--at least none of that $15 goes to the HMV middleman), but the People Who Keep Track of What's Selling in the Music Industry also don't get wind of it. Trying to make an impression in the music world is more difficult when there are no sales figures to support your position as a saleable commodity. Unless you're Ani DiFranco, in which case you break all the rules and invent a few new ones just to break those as well. In general, though, if you're dealing with artists smaller than Fruvous--your local artists--then yes, they're probably quite happy to sell CDs at all and especially when they get more of the moola from it. ceecee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:17:48 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: California Dreamline DALevy wrote: > > >From the Burbank airport, the directions are more complicated and you > >have to deal with three major commuter freeways instead of one. > > I've gotta beg to differ here... Burbank is not so complicated and I can come > up with much easier, more direct directions. If anyone is planning on flying to > Burbank, please e-mail me with the time you're arriving and I'll give you > directions appropriate for the traffic patterns at that time of day. Worst case > Burbank to the Roxy would be about 45 minutes. Really. Burbank Airport also is > much smaller and easier to maneuver around -- and usually has cheaper flights > and rental cars. Thank you Doug! I'm glad someone knows the Burbank airport better than me! I gave the directions I did because I prefer driving on freeways to side streets or canyons. (All those stop lights on Sunset frustrate me.) I'm glad you know a better way! > (Unless it's raining, in which case it doesn't matter where you're coming from > or going to, you'll get stuck somewhere.) I just thought of a news article last winter when a person in a Ford Explorer slid off the freeway, and landed in someone's swimming pool. A four-wheel drive vehicle, for crying out loud! It was only RAINING! I guess it's a good thing it never snows here. > See y'all in a couple of weeks. This will be SO MUCH FUN! So far I'm bringing four other people, and only one of them has seen Moxy before. Yay! Cookie Respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 18:34:26 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: from I need help to Saturday AM cartoons In article <19981215154558.4450.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net>, Angie wrote: >(Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Gamelon, etc) Godzilla v. Gamelan (RKO Pictures 1958) Godzilla's attack of the isle of Java is thwarted when he is put to sleep by a Gamelan concert. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:48:01 GMT From: koogle@clark.net Subject: Off-topic: Used CDs (was Indie Tape) In article , kevin@mail.research-inc.com () wrote: > >Really? How? They've been paid. The existence of used record stores does > >not seem to have dried up the market for new cds. > > the difference, in my twisted little mind, between used cars and used cds is > simple. a used cd is identical to a new cd, but at a lower price, thereby > undercutting discs which pay things like artist royalties. On the other hand, the margin on new CDs is astronomical. If you're generous and allow for things like packaging, marketing, royalties, the cost of producing a commercial CD is something like $5 US. Manufacturing costs have gone down quit a bit, but the consumer hasn't seen any of this. Honestly, if I've never heard of a band, I'm unlikely to spend $17 plus tax to see if I like them, whereas I might spend $8-10 at a used place. I'm obviously going to buy the discs of bands I like at retail, as soon as I can get my hands on them, but I don't look at buying used CDs as skirting around the artist; I see it as subverting corporate greed. Used CD stores are independent, and they fill a niche. I think that's worth supporting. No Fru-content, except that I think I've heard the phrase "corporate greed" on the Fruvous stage several times... - --Amanda - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:07:33 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Bottom Line shows Paul Bonphatti wrote: > > What will the Bottom Line shows be like? Is there going to be a big > difference between each day's shows? what about within a certain > day? Will the second show be like the first one? I don't think I can > afford to drop $20 for four shows, but I want to get a thorough dose of > Fruvous. Thoughts? Well, I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that one. I'm sure they'll be different to a point, but completely different I dunno. That's the great thing about Fruvous. They could do the exact same setlist two days in a row and the show would be different because of what else has gone on during the day. I would guess (I am in no way speaking for anyone here - this is my opinion and speculation based on previous experience - don't jump on me for answering a question, okay? Thanks) that the shows will be limitedly different. Each show will probably have core songs in it. Like you'll probably hear King of Spain maybe 3 or 4 of the 6 shows. But each show will include somethings special that will make the show(s) you went to unique. For example, they probably won't play things like Nuits De Reve or Marion Fruvous 3 times, but they may play them once. Last time they were in New York, they played 3 full length shows. You can check out those Set Lists on FDC. They pretty much touched on most of the things they play live during those 3 shows (11/14/97-11/16/97 at the Mercury Lounge). I was at all 3 of those shows and each show was incredible, but I'd also see it as if I had gone to one of the shows (no matter which one) I would have felt special as well, you know? My other example would be the Lafayette IN show. Some of us had just come from the NKU show and gotten an incredible treat. We didn't know what to expect from Lafayette, the last show of the midwest tour, but also the first time they've played in the town. What we got was a basic Fruvous set (including easily digestibles like Spiderman and the like) with a couple special things mixed in (Roadrunner, Brown Eyed Girl). The result was a set that caught the attention of the first time viewers that will likely be out for the first show in a town, plus a set that caught the attention of the people who had just seen 6 shows in 5 days who got to hear Roadrunner ;) I would guess that there will be great care a taken, as usual, with making set lists... As for Dan, he has enough songs he can do to fill 6 completely different shows. So I'm very interested to hear what comes out of him ;) - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:23:47 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Indie Tape Andrea Krause wrote: > > I know I probably have faulty logic, (I often do.) but let's suppose > 100 people buy a CD. 50 of them own it for a few years, enjoy it, but > later decide they'd like to sell it to a used CD store. 50 new people > buy the used CDs. Now 150 people have experienced, owned, enjoyed the > work that the group has only received 100 CDs worth of profit for. I > know, in the end only 100 CDs are still owned, but.... I *do* buy > used CDs...I just sometimes feel some guilt for that reason. > No guilt! If a band's CDs wind up in a used-record store, that's because the consumer has decided the CD is no longer of any use to them, and thus they sell it to a used record store so that is may be redistributed to more willing consumers. By the time it gets to a used record store, most people who are willing to buy it at full price will have done so, and the CD will go to people who are willing to pay ~60% of full price for the CD. I don't worry that the band loses revenue due to used CD sales; these are always accounted for, unless a band makes a CD so good that no one will ever return it, which so far hasn't happened. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:30:41 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Indie tape FruWench wrote: > > My 2 cents . . . > > Disobey the band -vs- destroy the tape. Thanks ever so much for that choice. > > I might return the tape to the band if that was what they really wanted. But I > could NEVER destroy it myself. Even if they said it was lousy please destroy > it, it represents a lot of effort, and I can't devalue someone else's efforts > AND art that way. > Good call. Maybe I won't have to bring up the ol' jumpin' off a bridge analogy. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 19:24:17 GMT From: kevin@mail.research-inc.com () Subject: Re: Indie Tape >I think it came up because the issue at one time seemed to be whether cds >can morally be resold without giving additional profit to the band. In >that argument price doesn't come into it. Frankly I don't see where price >comes into it anyway. Used record stores don't sell cds cheaper that >retail as favors to poor customers. They do so because that is what the >market will bare. If a valuable or "collectable" cd comes through their >doors (and they are smart enough to recognize it) you can bet they are >going to charge a lot more than original retail price. Check out what 1st >pressing Beatles records go for sometime. Yikes! true true... there is a new/used record store near me that I LOVE despite not being a fan of used record stores, and while Green Day's Dookie is in the 3 for $8 pile, there is some vinyl there that goes for $50+. Kevin Way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:14:42 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Re: [Re: from I need help to Saturday AM cartoons] (In article <19981215154558.4450.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net>, Angie wrote: >(Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Gamelon, etc) Godzilla v. Gamelan (RKO Pictures 1958) Godzilla's attack of the isle of Java is thwarted when he is put to sleep by a Gamelan concert.) *snort* alright, fine... I'll go back to work then... ;^} hahahaha - --Angie "Everyone should be scared of the Bald Man." - Dave Matheson, 12/3 ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:18:26 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: indie tape/Cat Stevens/with a groupie on the side Confused Steve wrote: >Yusuf Islam. >>Right. Not Mustafa. giggle. I keep reading Mustafa as Mufasa. That's what happens when you've seen or at least heard Lion King about 50 times. :) Who played Mufasa in the FruDream? was it Dave? more giggles. >Can't imagine what I was thinking. In partial redemption, >I'll supply his original name: Stephen Demitri Georgiou. Or was that George Michael? (I have no idea really, except I *think* -- that's the operative word there -- that one of G.M.'s former names was Georgiou...) < digression just meant to add to general confusion ;-) Hey, you can be confused about Cat Stevens if I can be confused about Frank Zappa lyrics. :D Cynthia REALLY wasn't real? I'm soooo crushed. disillusioned beyond repair. - -- Lori, at least as confused as Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:02:00 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Reaching further off-topic (re: Indie tape) Josh Drury wrote: > Good call. Maybe I won't have to bring up the ol' jumpin' off a bridge > analogy. I would jump! As long as I have a bungee cord tied to my feet. ;) later, tom. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:59:39 GMT From: chrisom@ibm.net (Chris O'Malley) Subject: Re: Indie Tape On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:47:45 GMT, vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) wrote: >Take music. Are members of Moxy Fruvous to tell me what kind of >stereo system to listen to my copy of Bargainville on? Whether to use >surround sound or turn it off? Whether to use the advantages of >stereo recording or run it through as mono? Where to sit in relation >to where sounds are coming from? This actually is something that George Lucas (yes, an artist, IMO) has been concerned with as of late. He's insuring that only THX approved movie theaters will be playing the new Star Wars film in 1999. He feels that the sound of the movie is just as important as the picture on the screen, and I tend to agree. The problem with this whole thread (again, IMO) is that "art" can mean almost anything to anyone, and how you treat it and respect it falls into a myriad of categories. Can't we all just get along? ;-) - -Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris O'Malley http://www.fruvous.com 'Tattoo Fru' webmaster@fruvous.com "I like being a pretzel with you..." ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:32:37 GMT From: elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) Subject: Re: America, it's right here south of Canada, north of Mexico nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: : elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) wrote: : > Now wait a minute, wasn't it bilingualism that nearly separated : > Quebec from Canada? Do we want this mailing list to split : > over the same bilingualism? : > Isn't that why the States are trying to ban teaching in Spanish : > to Spanish speaking kids in school? : > -Matt, the voice of reason :) : I sooo hope you're kidding, especially over that "voix de raison" part because : otherwise you're going to find yourself in extremely hot water, mon vieux. : Fiona - billingual and not afraid to use it. Sorry, I got my tongue caught in my cheek a bit there. I'm actually a proponent of multilingualism, unfortunately, I haven't yet put the effort forward enough to learn more than one language. I've really got to get around to that. Actually, the desire to speak multiple languages and the example with Spanish kids is completely different (the schools in California, if I remember correctly, actually wanted to only teach the Latino kids in Spanish), I felt that they should learn the English and be able to speak both languages. - -Matt, the voice of treason :) - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt James Voice: (301) 231-9898 x. 121 TYC Associates email: mjames@tyc.com Rockville, MD alternate: mattj@charm.net http://www.tyc.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #128 ********************************************