From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #125 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Indie Tape [jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause)] Re: Moxy Morals [bmcnamee@yahoo.DELETEME.com (Brent McNamee)] Re: Indie Tape [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Indie Tape [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Holiday Magic [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: jist wondering [Juliette Lexington ] Re: [Re: Holiday Magic] [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Indie Tape [Chad Schrock ] Re: Indie Tape [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) [Chad Schrock ] Attention Rochester-folk... [schr9271@fredonia.edu] Re: Indie Tape [Chad Schrock ] Re: Indie Tape [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] 8 days of Chanukah [auerworld@followme.com] Re: jist wondering [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Re: FruHumor [bmcnameeDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent McNamee)] New to the group! [bmcnameeDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent McNamee)] Re: America, it's right here south of Canada, north of Mexico ["Aye, who'] complete ironhorse show [mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry)] Re: Heloise & Abelard [was My turn for Zero-Frutent posts - I need help!!!]] ["KatieWow" ] Re: Indie Tape [Mulder4213@aol.com] Re: jist wondering [Chad Schrock ] Re: fruGifts for Fruvous? [schr9271@fredonia.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:08:15 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: Indie Tape On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:35:22 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: >kevin@mail.research-inc.com wrote: >> >> >>No used book >> >>stores? No used record stores? >> > >> >Both are good for the average not-rich consumer, but ultimately do >> >hurt the artists, yes. > > > >> I do however agree that if the cd is in print, then buying it from a used >> cd store hurts the artist. > >Really? How? They've been paid. The existence of used record stores does >not seem to have dried up the market for new cds. Where is the harm? The >notion that an artist is hurt by the sale of used cds seems to me to be as >absurd as the notion that General Motors is hurt by the sale of used cars. >Should they get a percentage of each of their cars that is resold? After >all they did go through the work of creating the design from scratch. >Those designs are copyrighted, and many of the mechanisms in the car are >patented. Shouldn't they be entitled to a portion of the proceeds of that >car since the car is the fruit of their labor? > >I'd say no. > >A.J. >-- >Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: >"I didn't wake up this morning . . ." > _____ _ > / ____(_) >| | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ >| | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ >| |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | > \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 I know I probably have faulty logic, (I often do.) but let's suppose 100 people buy a CD. 50 of them own it for a few years, enjoy it, but later decide they'd like to sell it to a used CD store. 50 new people buy the used CDs. Now 150 people have experienced, owned, enjoyed the work that the group has only received 100 CDs worth of profit for. I know, in the end only 100 CDs are still owned, but.... I *do* buy used CDs...I just sometimes feel some guilt for that reason. Andrea K. "I was your fountain of youth and you were my mountain of truth. But, you have drunk me dry and I'm afraid of heights." - The Nields ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:11:31 GMT From: bmcnamee@yahoo.DELETEME.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: Moxy Morals On 12 Dec 1998 21:14:17 GMT, lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) wrote: >The clubs could admit underage people to shows if they were willing to take on >the extra work needed to validate customers' right to drink. To be fair to Lee's, I have heard that it's not their fault. Current rumour says that the government "stung" them, and somebody made it in with a fake ID. As a result, they are required to check for photo ID from EVERYONE, no matter how old you "look". As far as I know, security is usually taken on by the concert promoter and not the venue. There are exceptions, such as at SkyDome, where they have their own security staff, but even then the promoter's security is present. -----------[ Brent McNamee - Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@yahoo.com | Eagles may fly above it all, http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | but weasels are never sucked | into jet engines. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:37:04 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Indie Tape In article <367507af.628324350@news3.ibm.net>, ceelove@ibm.net wrote: >Cat Stevens. (Can't remember what he changed his name to.) Mustafa Islam ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:37:06 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Indie Tape In article <367507af.628324350@news3.ibm.net>, ceelove@ibm.net wrote: >Cat Stevens. (Can't remember what he changed his name to.) Mustafa Islam, I believe. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:36:53 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Holiday Magic In article <19981214.114252.-286917.0.petit_chou@juno.com>, petit_chou@juno.com wrote: > If we don't mind religious pieces (quite frankly, it's hard >to avoid them at Christmas-time. It's kinda the point, unless you're >coming from a merchandising angle), Don't you mean *especially* if you're coming from a merchandising angle? Nothing sells quite so well as religion. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:44:41 GMT From: Juliette Lexington Subject: Re: jist wondering Fruchild delightfully wrote: > > I WAS talking territory. Really? What college? If you say William and Mary I will Scream and drive to your dorm this very second (well maybe not =+)). > > Fruchild My reply: Nope, I don't go to William and Mary, although I have heard of that college. I go to Hollins University. And, if you drove to my dorm now, you wouldn't find me there 'cause I'm home for Winter break. :) - --Juliette _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:47:02 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: [Re: Holiday Magic] In article <753va0$krj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Marie.Claude@canada.com wrote: >> Früvous Navidad? > Joyeux (Orbitting) Rondelle? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:38:02 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Indie Tape Colleen Campbell wrote: > I suppose I should have read the rest of the responses to this thread > before contributing, but I got so excited about being home and having > enough time to read and respond, period, that I just jumped in. (Just > to make you happy, chad. :) Thank you, luv. :* :) - -- chad at radix dot net I don't nag. I mention the hell out of things. --me. sort of. :) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:37:09 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Indie Tape In article , kevin@mail.research-inc.com wrote: >I do however agree that if the cd is in print, then buying it from a used >cd store hurts the artist. > Have to agree with this, with the exception that I might buy a used CD for $5 that I wouldn't try at $15. My getting it helps the artist, if the CD turns out to be good, because I'll pass along the used one to someone else who might like it and buy a new one for myself. Have to note that buying a Moby Grape CD that might be in print by Rhino or WB in a speculative mood might not benefit Moby Grape at all. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:54:55 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) Fru-Monique wrote: > Amy tells us, > > of the actual rehersal, except that she remembers Mike singing > > "Be prepared". At this point I was just trying to keep myself > > from falling to the floor laughing..... > You're laughing? I'm dying picturing this! Mike doing Tom Lehrer? That would be great, on one hand, but terrifying on another hand, yet pretty cool, on your other hand. Heck, Fruvous doing any of Tom Lehrer's stuff would fall into that category. (Tom Lehrer doing his own stuff qualifies as well.) - -- chad at radix dot net A small request: If this post makes sense to anywone, would you please explain it to me? TIA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:27:31 GMT From: schr9271@fredonia.edu Subject: Attention Rochester-folk... and all others interested... (apologies in advance, this in a non-fruvous announcement...kinda) The band SNMNMNM (those guys who were playing outside of Harro East before and after the fru show) are going to be having their own show THIS Thurs at Java's (formerly Java Joe's, next to the Eastman). It's at 9 pm and it's FREE!!! If anyone wants more info, go to www.snmnmnm.com and if you get bored there...well, they do have a link to FDC ^_^. Anyway, I hope to be there and I'd like to meet more of you friendly folk, so if you wanna come, I'll be the one in the brown newsie "Gavroche" hat and probably my grey fruvous shirt. Hope to see ya there. Amy "Alright! Who fruvoused the cat?" ~Mike Ford - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:45:16 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Indie Tape Mulder4213@aol.com wrote: > > Again, I'd have to agree with AJ. I mean, it's not as if > these artists are going to go bankrupt from the loss of a > few cd sales. I mean, if and artist sells, say, 5,000 cds > at the standard $17-$18 apiece, that's still a lot of dough! For whoever sold the CDs. The Washington Post has a neat series of articles that run in the Saturday business section. The premise: why does this item cost what it does. Quite a while ago, they did one on "Pop CDs." IIRC, the artist *might* see about $1.00 from the sale of the CD. If you want to read the article, it should be archived on their web site at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ > They got the $ for the original sale of the cd, so all's well > there. Personally, I wouldn't have half of my music collection > (or my book collection, for that matter) if it weren't for > used music/bookstores. If we didn't have used music/book stores, we would be lacking, perhaps, the coolest stores in existence. - -- chad at radix dot net I don't nag. I mention the hell out of things. --me. sort of. :) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:36:58 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Indie Tape In article <3674f422.950561@news3.ibm.net>, vika@ibm.net wrote: >Again, I've never heard of an artist who wanted their >painting/whatever viewed from a certain angle. The very first thing I >learned in my theatre design class is always to view your own work >from different angles, distance, etc. > Most artists intend their work at least to hang the way they looked at it. In theatre design you view your work from different angles because the audience is stuck in seats at different angles to the proscenium (or the stage if there is no proscenium). Painters have the luxury of at least hoping that those who view their work will pretty much stand right in front of it. Sculptors-in-the-round have to assume (unless they sculpt for a niche) that people will view their work from many angles, but not that they will be subjected to the Pietà, for example, standing on its head. There may be some pretty attenuated definitions of "artist" and "art" out there, but I think we can assume that many, if not most, painters at least assume they know which side they intend to be up. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:48:57 GMT From: auerworld@followme.com Subject: 8 days of Chanukah In keeping with the spirit of the season, I thought that we could all join in on this song..... Everybody ready? OK... A one...A two....AND a three: Da da dada da da: On the first night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the second night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, two matzoh balls and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the third night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the fourth night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, four pounds of corned beef, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the fifth night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, five kosher dills, four pounds of corned beef, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the sixth night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, six grandmas cooking, five kosher dills, four pounds of corned beef, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the seventh night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, seven rabbis dancing, six grandmas cooking, five kosher dills, four pounds of corned beef, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. On the eighth night of Hanukkah, someone sent to me, eight fiddlers fiddling, seven rabbis dancing, six grandmas cooking, five kosher dills, four pounds of corned beef, three golden latkes, two matzoh balls, and a warm bagel topped with cream cheese. OY VEY!!! Happy Chanukah!!! Merry Christmas!!! Happy Solstice!!! Here's hoping that the next year will be better than the last....... George Auerbach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:28:23 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: jist wondering >> I WAS talking territory. Really? What college? If you say >William >and Mary I will Scream and drive to your dorm this very second (well >maybe not =+)). >> >> Fruchild > >My reply: > Nope, I don't go to William and Mary, although I have heard of >that >college. I go to Hollins University. And, if you drove to my dorm >now, you wouldn't find me there 'cause I'm home for Winter break. :) >--Juliette =+P ' well I havent heard of your college so there =+) Fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:03:57 GMT From: bmcnameeDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: FruHumor On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:38:40 GMT, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >>wait-- is it a picture?? cause on my server irt looks like its supposed to >be, >>it is clearly unidentifiable (oxymoronic today, ain't I? ;-) > >on mine it looks like it *could* be a "Ho". or maybe not. Just read the message again using a FIXED PITCH font (like Courier New) You can cut-'n-paste the message to notepad if your newsreader can't do it... -----------[ Brent McNamee - Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@yahoo.com | Eagles may fly above it all, http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | but weasels are never sucked | into jet engines. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:59:27 GMT From: bmcnameeDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: New to the group! Hey there, all! I've been a FruHead since 1991, but I'm new to the group! I love the atmosphere here! The funniest thing I've seen happen at a FruShow was at the Calgary Stampede (1993?), where they played two free days in a row! They were halfway through the first night when the Stampede marching band went by not 40 feet away... I don't think I've ever heard of a band getting interrupted by a marching band before, but anyway, after a good five minutes, they were able to continue. all this happened right in the middle of the "Gulf War Song", too... very surreal! -----------[ Brent McNamee - Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@yahoo.com | Eagles may fly above it all, http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | but weasels are never sucked | into jet engines. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:09:50 -0500 From: "Aye, who's asking whom?" Subject: Re: America, it's right here south of Canada, north of Mexico >Now wait a minute, wasn't it bilingualism that nearly separated >Quebec from Canada? Do we want this mailing list to split >over the same bilingualism? I've found that Fruvous has brought me more exposure to the French language and has given me the chance to get a stronger kind of French education than five years of book-learnin' ever did. Granted, Fruvous only does about three songs in French and the majority of us would quickly unsubscribe if French took over the NG the way it took over the street signs of Quebec. However, what's wrong with using the other official language of Canada? Now I shall attack my own argument, to skip a few responses. I attended a university with 40% percent Jewish population. As I grew up in a predominently Italian and Polish city, it was a sea change. However, I'd find myself ready to run away when I'd play a guessing game like Taboo (TM) and find people simply reciting the word to be guessed in Hebrew. Still, this never drew me towards the other Sicilians on my campus, as I wasn't much of one at home and the Sicilians of downstate New York that also peopled my campus were as foreign to me as the downstate Jews. Since racism isn't the right answer, I found that I had to bond with people similarly thrown on their ears by the exposure. Thus I found the radio station. So I'm not in favor of alienation by language, but I'm also in favor of increasing my Quebecois vocabulary. More French! More Alsatians! More Alaskans! More hoola-hoops! >Isn't that why the States are trying to ban teaching in Spanish to Spanish speaking kids in school? No, it's not that. Most families, Anglophone and Latino, have objected to the American version of bilingual education because it isn't even-handed. If you teach kids to feel separate and ill-equipped to join their comrades in the English-speaking classrooms, then keep them tracked as "non-anglophone", you guarantee failure. No one was making the entire school learn Spanish and English equally. Bersides, they aren't banning Latin or German, because BMW employees aren't crossing the Spree or the Rhine in hip-waders to get menial jobs in America and make their children American citizens. The reality is that America is one of the few countries in the world to believe the other nations of the world are so far away that second-language education begins in the eighth grade if at all. Language doesn't lead to racism. I realize I'm overreacting: I'm being a snot. Free speech means a lot to me, et faut-il defendre mes droits comme un americain... Just because they wrote the Constitution in English doesn't mean the First Amendment is only applicable in English. Allow! Open! I'm gald you wrote what you did, but I'm also hoping to see more French around here. If I can help it, I will learn a few more languages in my life (ASL, for example), and a chance to see other perspectives, even if voyeuristically, is better than knowing only the narrow, dominant, anglophone path. Besides, just as I am only a sliver English and Scottish, my speaking English is as foreign to my ancestry as my homeland of Sicily is to me. I'm just another latent immigrant, just like John Howland. He boarded the Mayflower, got washed into the Atlantic by a wave and got washed back onto the ship by a rival wave. He found his immigration worthwhile, I suppose: he had children, and I am one of his descendants. I am also the grandson of a truck driver from Bagheria, near Palermo. English drove Howland away from Holland, as the Pilgrims wanted their children to be British even if the British adopted a Dutch king eventually (William of Orange). Ik ben amerikanse. Sono americano. I am not sure what colors I couldn't put on my own flag, so I'll simply rally 'round the Fruvous flag and raise the arial. Whatever it receives, j'ecoute. - -free the Expo '67, Dante ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 04:33:25 GMT From: mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry) Subject: complete ironhorse show Hello- I just finished converting & posting the first time mf played the ironhorse into .mp3's for download. Enjoy! mike kiniry http://www.cowshead.com/mkiniry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:40:31 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Heloise & Abelard [was My turn for Zero-Frutent posts - I need help!!!]] cooler still, the letters of heloise and abelard is on my english 201 book list for next semester! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:39:04 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Fruvous dream loosely translated, is that latin at the bottom: "is that a scroll (book, volume--probably scroll :) in your toga, or are you just [libet? this probably means "happy," but i would have used felicius :)] to see me?" very nice :). we're translating the aeneid next semester, so i'll probably need your help. had my latin final today. wasn't too bad. just two more to go!!! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:03:57 GMT From: Mulder4213@aol.com Subject: Re: Indie Tape In a message dated 12/14/98 10:34:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jkpolk@ntplx.net writes: > I know I probably have faulty logic, (I often do.) but let's suppose > 100 people buy a CD. 50 of them own it for a few years, enjoy it, but > later decide they'd like to sell it to a used CD store. 50 new people > buy the used CDs. Now 150 people have experienced, owned, enjoyed the > work that the group has only received 100 CDs worth of profit for. I > know, in the end only 100 CDs are still owned, but.... I *do* buy > used CDs...I just sometimes feel some guilt for that reason. > > Andrea K. OK, I see what you mean, but I still disagree. I mean, another way to look at it would be this: Using your example, 150 people have now heard and experienced the music of this particular band. Maybe all 150 of them will buy the band's next release? Wouldn't that be a rise in profits, thus benefiting the artist? dan the devil's advocate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:53:12 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: jist wondering Juliette Lexington wrote: > > Ummm...I'm guessing you meant Virginian Fruheads, Fruchild. > I guess I count as one of those, since I'm going to college in > Virginia; however, I'm home (in Ohio) right now. My aunt & uncle live in Williamsburg. FrüHeads by association? :) > Virgin Fruhead? Hmm...I'm not even going to go into that. :) "Marge, did you see how their faces lit up when we told them that we were Virginians?" --The Far Side - -- chad at radix dot net I don't nag. I mention the hell out of things. --me. sort of. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:45:12 GMT From: schr9271@fredonia.edu Subject: Re: fruGifts for Fruvous? Ten Thousand Villages. > > You've heard of Ten Thousand Villages!!!! Yay, I can't believe this :-)! > For those who don't know, TTV (formally Global Village Crafts) is a > non-profit organization that sells crafts, instruments, etc., made by > people in 3rd world countries and then - here's the good part - gives > the craftmaker a fair wage for his/her work. The stores are run almost > completely by volunteers ( I am one such volunteer, as you can probably > tell by this propaganda that I have ready at a moments notice). Ten > Thousand Villages is the *ideal* place to do Christmas shopping for > anyone, including Dave :-)! This place sounds great (my kind of shopping ^_^), just one question...where are you guys and is there an addy I can write to for more info? Amy "Alright! Who fruvoused the cat?" ~Mike Ford - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #125 ********************************************