From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #97 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, December 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Nature Sounds of NGs [drm1997@hotmail.com (Smiles)] Re: Clyde's [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers)] Pointe-Claire show review [Srm9988n@aol.com] RE: RE: Feeling old ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] Re: Either/Or ["KatieWow" ] RE: [Re: Inquisitions/RESPECT] [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] RE: [Re: Inquisitions/RESPECT] ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] Re: Point Claire show review [paulg@mag-net.com (Paul Gendron)] Re: either/or [Alan Sigman ] WHTMOMTTPCTSMF ["Adam Hartfield" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:33:07 GMT From: drm1997@hotmail.com (Smiles) Subject: Re: Nature Sounds of NGs On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:01:11 GMT, Fru-Monique wrote: >Old Age: Cheese-n-rice, I *wish* I was older! If I were only 10 years >older, I'd be 29, only scant years behind 3/4 of Fruvous. Do you know >how much easier it would be to talk to them if I were closer to their >ages? How something flirtatious could be considered halfway serious >instead of just cute teenage fan worship? You adults don't know how >easy you've got it. Well, to all those who wish they were older, I'm now 27 but still get carded at bars. Yes, folks. Some of us "adults" (as Fru-nique puts it) can't get away with looking like one either. So I don't know how seriously I'm taken when it comes to adult conversations and flirting with any Moxy man. *shrug* Just gotta cope I guess. But I have to admit, that I have fun with this whole looking young thing. The look on the bouncer's faces when they see how old I really am (especially after they try to play "scratch & win" with my licence) is hilarious!! If I can keep this up till I'm over 30, I'll have SO much fun! >~Monique, Small Lady of Spain Dawna =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:10:17 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: Clyde's In article <74g4km$213$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, nafio@my-dejanews.com says... > Thomas Fazzio wrote: > > Do these guys have a sheep fetish? And did they have to share that with > > the crowd? > I dunno about sheep fetish. I think "self-referential" is possibly a better > term. Hey, what about that rumor we were all supposed to be starting? k@ just trying to keep the NG self-referential too :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:13:28 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Pointe-Claire show review Christine posed an interesting question re Tall Chad's quandary: >> [1] And I thought the New Years shows were expensive >> [2] Now taking donations. Please email spare arms and legs to: >> opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu. Human parts only. Void >> where prohibited by law. Please add 8% sales tax in California. > Do we get bonus ChadMiles for emailing spare arms and legs to you? ;-) And *what* are the prizes? :D :D :D - -- Lori, who just came to grips with the reality that she's made it through almost four whole digests without posting a single response, and realized she had to correct that lapse. ********************************* "Nothing makes a crowd disperse more quick than a GREAT BIG PUDDLE OF SICK !!" (Like Melanie's little Alexandra, I too am suffering from flulike malaise. :( ) Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:37:51 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: RE: Feeling old On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 11:28 PM, lesystemed@aol.com [SMTP:lesystemed@aol.com] wrote: > I'm 45. Is your last name Sofka? I thought her last name was Smith. No? Maybe my parents didn't think I could handle Sofka when I was 5! > regards, > Steve "Lay down, lay down, lay it on down. Let your white bird fly up" Melanie I *do* have a brand new key! But no roller skates. :-( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:08:02 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Either/Or >> Bill Nye or Mr. Wizard? >Mr. Wizard. How else would I know what a mobius strip is? oh my god--i learned what a moibus strip was from mr wizard too! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:06:32 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Either/Or >> - Noam Chomsky or Rush Limbaugh? > >Noam (his name is so much cooler. Think about it. Noam. Chomsky. It's >a delight) when he spoke hear at loyola last week, the head of the philosophy department introduced him as "noamsky--uh, i mean, mr. chomsky." ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1998 18:31:33 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: RE: [Re: Inquisitions/RESPECT] << that's absolutely intrinsic to membership is that you *must* giggle in French. :)>> We were listening to PTT this morning while I was driving my daughter to school and she asked how you giggle in French. I tried a version -- te he -- that sounded pretty damned lame if I do say so myself so I'm stumped (by the way, Angie, she too automatically goes right to Mike's harmonies in the song). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:07:45 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: [Re: Inquisitions/RESPECT] On Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:04 PM, Angie Armstrong [SMTP:LladyYasmina@netscape.net] wrote: > > that's absolutely intrinsic to membership is that you *must* giggle in > > French. :) > > WAAAAAAAH! I can't speak french!!!!!!! how on earth shall I learn to giggle in Believe it or not, I learned how to giggle in French from Bruce Willis. He was interviewed at the '97 Cannes Film Festival, and he was talking about the French people in general. He must have been a little tipsy, or just in a good mood, or something, because he was cracking jokes left and right. Anyhow, he starts saying how all the little French men have a particular way of laughing, and then he did it. It really sounded French!! So every time I'm called to giggle in French (and y'all know when I mean), I simply recall the example set by Bruce Willis, and the rest is easy. Melanie And ye shall know me by my giggle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:32:13 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: Stand and be counted On Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:13 PM, A.J. LoCicero [SMTP:cicero@wwnet.com] wrote: > "Demetriou, Melanie" wrote: > > > My personal opinion: I can't figure out how Christianity ever got allied > > with restricting personal freedom in the first place. I know that it > > I suspect it happened sometime after Christianity became the state religion > a pity though, that overall it is commonly viewed (and used) as a > right-wing thing. I'd like to take this opportunity to everyone who responded to my query, both on the ng and backchannel. Sorry I haven't responded to you folks; you know how life and work can get the best of you sometimes. I read every response at least twice and I think it helped somewhat. I was thinking mostly of the modern era and you all reminded me that Christianity does have a rather tarnished past in the human rights department. Sigh. Those misguided humans! You can look at any of those shining moments (Crusades, Inquisition, Holocaust, abortion-doctor-killers) and see that these mistakes are made whenever somebody(ies) think he/she knows better than God how to carry out God's plan. (I use the word God to avoid having to write a lengthy description of what a Creator/Higher Power/Divine Presence might and could be. Okay?) I agree completely with what Lori said about needing to understand the other side of things before criticizing them. Most anti-abortionist activists are very committed to life and generally nice folks (and most of them aren't out to kill anyone). If I thought I could prevent mass slaughter by killing one or two evil people, you bet I would do it. Although, on second thought... why would God want me to break one of the ten commandments? Is saving a life justification for taking a life? See? I have no answer to this. Who's to say what's God's voice and what's insanity????? Do I have a point? Yeah, somewhere in here, I guess I must. Hm... because my own religious/spiritual story is still a work in progress, I pretty much try to stay out of other people's. I may not share their views, but really, it's none of my business unless they choose to share. That's what a free society is all about, isn't it?. And, imho, what God wants for His/Her people. Freedom. Dignity. Well-being. Happiness. Faith and comfort. Community. Which is what I feel developing here: community. Way cool! I love being a part of the Island of Misfit Toys. I've identified myself that way for years. Can't go many places (read: none) and have a free discussion of ideas and beliefs like this has been. Tremendous job, everybody! What a great thread this has been. Melanie ding! Time's up, back to work :-( ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1998 19:00:42 GMT From: jsmooth69@aol.comforce (JSmooth69) Subject: Re: either/or everytime I turn around..there's more!! >Star Wars or Star Trek (any one)? absolutely ,positively, one hundred percent STAR WARS!!!! It's soo much more fun!!! >Mulder or Scully? Scully >musical or play? ick....I'll take a nice long novel over either >Murrey's People or Dave's People? Murray rules!! >Frasier or Niles? Frasier >>sneakers or shoes (or boots)? sneakers...much more comfortable... >>jeans or sweats? jeans >>morning or night? night... >>summer or winter? spring...about 65-70 degrees, sun, little breeze, little Moxy in the backround..perfect Jason "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:02:53 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: Re: More Important Stuff (i.e. Hockey) jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) wrote: >On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:57:18 GMT, Alan Sigman > wrote: > >>I do believe that "and the Leafs top defenseman has gone to the Jets" is >>Mike's line. > >Well, I don't know about other times, but in Katonah last month they >did the defenseman/Jets line and unless I'm on drugs I remember Dave >doing it. :) (I have been known to be wrong, heaven knows. Who said I wasn't on drugs when I heard it at the Phila Folk Fest? I was camping out for 4 days, after all, with very little sleep. Anyway, I've listened to my tape, whilst not on drugs, and my ears tell me it's Mike. Question for you Maple Leafs and/or Jets/Coyotes fans: was there ever a Leafs top defenseman who went to the Jets, or is this line just in there because Jets rhymes so well in that verse? -Alan ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1998 18:52:29 GMT From: jsmooth69@aol.comforce (JSmooth69) Subject: Re: Either/Or These things generally amuse the heck out of me. . . . > >>dogs or cats? Dogs definitely...cept for the one that bit me on the a$$...ouch > >>glasses or contacts? Glasses...I look a lot less stupid.... > >>smooth or crunchy peanut butter? smooth of course... > >>Herc or Xena? Xena > >>Bar soap or bath gel? Bar soap....Mountain Fresh Dial > >Beatles or Elvis? I dunno...Elvis...who else could ya see a hundred times in Vegas? ;) > >Salt or Pepper? Salt > >Silver or Gold? Gold > >Superman or Batman? uhh...Luke Skywalker =) > >Land or Sea? air...skydiving and flying....the way to go... >>>NFL or CFL? I like both....most times I think NFL is more exciting, but the CFL is cool because you could score ONE point in a game....and can't forget the bigger Balls!!! >>>Sunrise or Sunset? I refuse to be up for a sunrise....therefore i prefer sunset > - Melrose or 90210? Yuck >> - Noam Chomsky or Rush Limbaugh? Neither >> - South Park or Daria? South Park > - Boca Burgers or Big Macs? Not a big burger fan...especially ones cooked at McDonalds or any other kind of fast food place > - Sesame Street or 3-2-1 Contact? Sesame Street > - Barney or Tele-tubbies or Bananas in Pyjamas? you don't wanna hear what I have to say about this... > - Bill Nye or Mr Wizard? Definitely Mr. Wizard. He rocked. - Ross, Joey, Chandler, Monica, Rachel, or Phoebe? no Jason "I'm a Mog, half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend." ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1998 19:05:07 GMT From: jsmooth69@aol.comforce (JSmooth69) Subject: Re: Either/Or > Amazingly, no one has reduced this down the the simplest of all questions: Good or Evil? Hmm...I like good, but evil is more exciting and devious..makes for awesome entertainment. (see also: Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine and Star Wars) Jason "You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me!!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:24:23 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: R E S P E C T. Find out what it means to me. On Thursday, December 03, 1998 2:49 PM, petit_chou@juno.com [SMTP:petit_chou@juno.com] wrote: > it's my job as a > human being in a world filled with diversity to LET THEM THINK AS THEY > CHOOSE. Does that make sense? Rock on, sister. It sure does!! (Which, as pertains to Neo Nazis, can be a hard principle to maintain if one lost family in the Holocaust.) But here's an interesting point. Even if we stoned them bloody, burned their homes and ran them out of the country... They Would Still Think What They Want. You can break a person's life, body, whatever, but you can't change their thoughts. Wait, yes you can. But not by force. By persuasion alone can you change a person's mind. Humbly expressing my opinion *again*, Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:04:45 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Pointe-Claire show review Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > > Do we get bonus ChadMiles for emailing spare arms and legs to you? ;-) > > And *what* are the prizes? :D :D :D Was someone logging that? ChadMiles was an IRC joke one night. I probably couldn't remember it all if I tried ;P We have many many funny jokes on #MoxyFruvous, the Moxy Fruvous IRC channel. We do funny things and get threatened by Badgers with guns who want truffles. We make up lyrics and have pun fests galore. And we can't forget the pail! Lotsa fun. Lotsa lotsa fun. If you want more information about the Moxy Fruvous channel on IRC, checkout FDC (where else?) under http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html and if you have any more questions, feel free to contact me and I'll try and answer them!!! - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:49:03 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: either/or >>>summer or winter? > >spring...about 65-70 degrees, sun, little breeze, little Moxy in the >backround..perfect at the present time, that describes winter in much of the moxy-listening northeast :). ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:32:27 GMT From: paulg@mag-net.com (Paul Gendron) Subject: Re: Point Claire show review On Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:38:26 -0500, Dan Jablonski wrote: >french folk song (if i knew french, i could comment. i felt kind of >alone. this is what i get for going to shows in quebec.) The song was "la complainte du phoque" which I had requested before the show of all four of them, just to make sure. :-) I'd only seen MF in Northern BC once in Prince George, and there was no way they were going to sing anything french there. Anecdote from Prince George show (Wood tour). The guys were asking the audience what you called folks living in Prince George. "Prince Georgians? Prince Georgites?..." Someone in the audience yelled out "Rednecks!" which pretty well summed it up. ;-) I enjoyed the show at Clyde's thouroughly. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Gendron Brossard, QC I DO know it all..... It's just that I'm sworn to secrecy! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:51:07 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: Re: either/or OK, I'll answer the survey questions: >Coke or Pepsi? I prefer Pepsi over Coke, but I prefer diet Coke over Diet Pepsi. And I prefer canned or bottled soda over fountain soda. >Stuffed Crust or regular? regular. I can't understand those people who leave the crusts when they eat pizza. >Leno or Letterman? I probably watch Letterman about 3 times a year. But I can't stand Leno. >Boxers or briefs? briefs >Air Popped or microwave popcorn? microwave >Les Mis or Phantom? never saw either >Macintosh or the other? I use IBM-compatible PC, only because that's what they give me at work. I don't have a home computer, but at this point, I'd have to get a PC that is compatible with what I have at work, if I ever get around to getting one. >1-800-Call-ATT or 1-800-Collect? LCI Calling Card >Milk or dark chocolate? can't it be milk *and* dark chocolate? My favorite lately is Dove miniatures, and I eat an equal portion of milk and dark. White chocolate is fine too. Just about any chocolate is ok by me. Well, I never did care for chocolate-covered pretzels. >dogs or cats? dogs. When you come home to a dog, the dog is happy and excited and jumps all over you and makes you feel appreciated. When you come home to a cat, the cat opens one eye, looks at you as if to say "oh, you're back", and goes back to sleep. >glasses or contacts? N/A >smooth or crunchy peanut butter? crunchy >Herc or Xena? who? >Bar soap or bath gel? bar >white or wheat? wheat >stairs or elevator? stairs, for 2 reasons: (1) free exercise, and (2) I never realized how claustrophobic I was until I got stuck in an elevator about a year ago. Now I get nervous every time I have to ride one. >paper or plastic? either; both get recycled where I live >bath or shower? shower >pen or pencil? pen. I always hated writing in pencil. That's one reason I switched from Accounting to Computer Sciences in college. >Herc or Xena? no opinion >Beatles or Elvis? Beatles, though Elvis is cool too. I just like Beatles music better. >Beatles or Stones? The Who >Standard or Automatic? automatic >NFL or CFL? NFL, though I've rarely had the chance to see CFL games. I like the person who responded NHL. >Sunrise or Sunset? sunset. I'm another one of those vampire types, I come to life at night. >Labatt or Molson? Molson. Though Labatts is good too. Or Moosehead. Actually what I need is a bumper sticker that says "I Canadian Beer". >white or red?? neither. the only alcohol I drink is beer, and occasionally champagne. >Junior or Whopper? neither >Star Wars or Star Trek? Trek One more: either/or surveys posts, or show review posts? This opinion stuff, and the resulting conversations, are interesting. But I think it was Angie who apologized for writing a long detailed concert review. No need to apologize- we need more of those kinds of reviews here, IMHO. Details, we want details! -Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:00:17 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: WHTMOMTTPCTSMF Warning: This is not a show review. It is an account of my experiences surrounding a show. What Happened To Me On My Trip To Pointe-Claire To See Moxy Früvous by Adam Hartfield 7 Dec 1998 - ----- My trip up to Pointe-Claire, Quebec, began with my waking up early Saturday morning from excitement. Got on the road at 8:30, drove up to Barre, VT, where I picked up a sickly Nate DeRose, and continued north on 89 to the Canadian border. Nate's a taper and brought only a small portion of his gadget collection, er, recording equipment with him. The border control staff wasn't too keen on that, and they didn't seem to believe that it was OK for Nate to tape. I asked if they had an Internet connection, and they did (!), so I sent them to FDC. 75 minutes later the clerk came back with a section from the FAQ about recording. Custom-clerk-guy asks Nate if it's OK with Cal and Tobey for Nate to tape, to which Nate said yes. :) After the car was searched, we got on our way. Observation #1: Provicial road 133 leads through *flat* land. And there are lots of silos. Observation #2: Quebec drivers are unlike any others I've seen. Most of the Canadian drivers I encountered did not believe in using turn signals when changing lanes. Some Canadian drivers like to stop in rotaries, get out, and start kicking each others' cars while cursing and punching. Nate and I arrived in Pointe-Claire at about 3:30. We wandered around for a while in search of a cafe-type place where Nate could get some hot water in which to dissolve his TheraFlu. We found a neat little bakery where we got water and other restoratives, and hung out there for a while. We went to Clydes (apostrophe ommitted for accuracy in relation to the sign on the building) where we met up with George Nowik. A short time later, Marie-Claude Danis, Katherine Maheux, Fiona Gardiner, Sigrid, Danya Ortmann, Doug Levy, and Chris O'Malley showed up, followed by Kevin Way and the Smith College contingent, and also Kimberly mother-of-Kristaffer. Mary Krause made a surprise appearance. Somewhat later Scott Jesmore (Novac), Dante Blando (Hanrahan) and Jo Janis showed up, giddy from the ride from Rochester. Paul Beasi, Andrea Krause, and their friend Amy came in at some point, too. Your humble correspondent tried the poutine, and pronounces it awesome, well, the Clydes version at any rate. Insert 5 hours of random socializing here. Hockey games were watched on the big-screen projection TV, many games of pool were played, and much food and drink was consumed by all present. The doors to the performance space opened around 10. The room was packed, with the dance floor full, a bar along the back, and tables and stools along the left side. It was hot and smoky, and low-ceilinged to boot. I liked The Wells (the opening act) but don't know how to describe their music. Fruvous came on at about 11:15-ish and played some new songs. I didn't get to pay as much attention to them as I would have liked because I was in front of a large group of drunkards who talked through the entire show. Why didn't I move, you ask? Well, there weren't many open spaces, and of those, few had either a sightline to the stage or an absence of drunk/loud people close by. I made do with what I had. Other reviews have focused on the music. All I'll say here is that I'm looking forward to hearing the new material in a more conducive environment for listening and from what I did hear and interpret, it is all great. After the show, we hung out for a little tiny bit. Nate gathered up his *very dangerous* recording equipment, we said our goodbyes, and tromped out to the car. It was raining. Not a drizzle, not a spritz, but a hard, driving, cold rain that was freezing on the tree branches and cars, but not the ground, thankfully. Nate and I left Pointe-Claire at about 1:45 a.m. Observation #3: The roads I travelled on had *horrible* drainage. There was standing water on the roads all the way back to the border. All that water made the lane markers nearly invisible, and without reflectors in the road, it was *very* hard to see where I was going. But I managed, hanging off the steering wheel in an adrenaline-induced hyperattentive state. Nate's attempts to sleep surely were not helped by my open window and stereo playing music. We crossed the border right at 3 a.m., and had an easier time crossing it this time. ;) The customs guy seemed a bit confused as to the recording equipment, but as we were both citizens of the country we were trying to enter, we didn't get any flack this time. I was SO happy to enter the land of well-drained roads and reflective guardrails! Got to Barre at 4:30. Dropped off Nate and drove to the farm in Plainfield with the aid of loud music, a blood sugar spike induced by peanut brittle, and lots of fresh air from the rolled-down car windows. Walked through the door at 5 a.m., spent a few minutes talking with my aunt(who was just starting her day), and went and crashed. Slept till 11, left at 12:45, and got home to Maison Futon at 3:45. All in all, I had a fun time, and I have a hell of a lot of respect for you Frufans who drive for days to see the band. I'd like to return to Montreal with someone else doing the driving. :) - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #97 *******************************************