From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #89 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, December 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 089 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rambling... [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] They Might Be Old [petit_chou@juno.com] re: rambling.... [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Rambling... [petit_chou@juno.com] The ongoing Vegetarian Debate [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Nature Sounds of NGs ["KatieWow" ] Re: The ongoing Vegetarian Debate ["KatieWow" ] Re: The ongoing Vegetarian Debate [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessen] Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Rambling... [jsmooth69@aol.comforce (JSmooth69)] IS JASON REISER A BAD TRADER!?!?!?!? [grandote ] Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? [Chad Schrock ] Histeria! (was: Re: Rambling...) [Chad Schrock ] Re: Rambling... [Chad Schrock ] Re: To Herb or not to Herb? tehe=+) [Chad Schrock ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 1998 21:47:26 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Rambling... <> Leno but only for five minutes on Monday nights for the "headlines." Otherwise, I pass on both (am usually asleep anyway). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:38:34 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: They Might Be Old >Nah, it's unreleased...They used to play it in >concert, but it's been decidedly absent from recent setlists. Not if you live in Washington, baby-yeah! I've seen it performed twice. Mu-ha-ha-ha. Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 1998 21:51:39 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: re: rambling.... As for the rest ... <> Island Guava juice (Ocean Spray mongo-sized bottle), Mint Snapple (the light green label), V8-tropical splash (it has carrot juice and makes me feel I'm being healthy), chocolate egg creams and a good cold chardonnay. <> Mimi's or John's Pizza in NYC or nothing. <> Victoria's Secret Underware (I think that's what it's called -- comfy cotton). <> If it's post 1972 you can keep it. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 1998 21:57:42 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? <> I think I can (sort of) explain the lactose intolerance of African Americans (please bear with me here, this is something I learned in a college course) ... it was explained to us by the professor (African American) that the lactose intolerance developed over several generations because the slaves were not given any milk or milk products (no refrigeration plus slave owners who weren't about to give their slaves any healthy food), so as a result they simply lost any tolerance they might have had. Basically a "use it or you'll lose it" thing. I would imagine that neither the Native Americans nor the Asians had much dairy in their diets either which would be why they are lactose intolerant now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:38:39 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Rambling... *Ugh, nothing with caffiene, please. I don't do that business. And I really don't drink soda, either. Can I just say water with a squeeze of lemon (which is what I drink in almost any restaraunt) or...100% Fruit Juice? Thanks. *Er, Regular? Never tried stuffed crust, though, and it looks appealing. *Letterman, though I'd rather watch the Daily Show (Craig Kilborne is a god) and then Win Ben Stein's Money *Boxer-briefs are by far the sexiest piece of men's underwear known to man. *AIR POPPED! My dad is obsessed with micro-popcorn, so he found this stuff - Pop Secret Homestyle (for me), which doesn't have any of that nasty yellow butter-flavouring. Ick. Best thing on air-popped corn: butter, garlic, dash of pepper and parmesan cheese. None of that powdered kind, the shreddie-kind. *tasty* *Guys and Dolls? *I have to use a PC (it's what we've got here), but I still harbour a little place of lovin in my heart for a Mac. *Calling collect is an example of the disgusting lapse in consideration that only Americans would embrace. *Milk. Dark is of the devil. Cadbury (from New Zealand) is great, as is Godiva. Heavenly. *Uh, I don't drink. But, if I had to chose a beer, it'd be Dos Equis or Heineken. *See above, but red. All the way. *And it all comes around to vegetarianism - VEGGIE WHOPPER! Heather Moore (the true question is: Who do you identiry with more, the sword swallower or the bearded lady? - I'm the bearded lady. I'm just naturally freakish.) The questions: >Coke or Pepsi? >Stuffed Crust or regular? >Leno or Letterman? >Boxers or briefs? >Air Popped or microwave popcorn? >Les Mis or Phantom? >Macintosh or the other? >1-800-Call-ATT or 1-800-Collect? >And, of course: Milk or dark chocolate? >Labatt or Molson? >white or red?? >Junior or Whopper? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:38:40 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: The ongoing Vegetarian Debate Lori said: >Heather Moore, our resident ACLU poster child...: *Heather grins* Steve said: >Which brings up pets. Do we have the right to enslave animals to be our >comforting throw-pillows? Isn't pet-keeping exploitation? Nah, they get lovin out of it too. For domesticated animals, we essentially owe it to them to keep them, since we have effectively made it impossible for most to live in the wild anyway. Think about it. You're a small furry creature. Some person takes you in, buys you toys, feeds you quality grub and pets your head several times a day. On top of that, you can pee just about anywhere you want with FAR fewer repercussions. Pets got it good. (As long as they're not bred poorly etc etc. I don't even need to speak about iguanas and ferrets and turtles and...And if any of you *BUY* animals that can be easily obtained from a shelter, why I oughtta...grrrrrrrr. That's another post for another time.) Kate said: >don't quote me on this, but--isn't it painful for a cow to have a full >bladder and no way to release it? isn't milking humane in some way? Okay, I'm just gonna pretend that you wrote "udder" and weren't implying that we drink cow pee. *hee hee hee hee* Monique asked: >So why, then, do vegans refuse to drink milk? Many vegans refuse any animal byproducts - that includes: eggs, milk, gelatin, wool, leather, honey, lanolin and many kinds of make-up which are made with mashed up insect carcasses for colour. I must say that I laugh hardcore whenever I see a vegan wearing leather and refusing milk. Lace said: >nonono, Mentos are ok. That's Gelatine they're made with, it's seaweed based. Heather feels a new kind of peace settle over the world - you think I'm joking, but I *love* Mentos, and I would far prefer that they used seaweed than (shudder) hooves. Merci madame. That is all ladies and gentleman. If you read this far, the reason I do this is so you don't get, like, eight messages from me in a row on the same topic. That seems silly. Love to all, Heather "ACLU" Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:10:56 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Nature Sounds of NGs sorry--ed girl all the way. as for kevin--he came out on stage when the guys played buffalo in october. apparently there aren't any mroe cancerous cells in his body. he'll be on their UK tour in the spring :). as ed said, he's kicked cancer's ass. yay! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:07:38 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: The ongoing Vegetarian Debate >>don't quote me on this, but--isn't it painful for a cow to have a full >>bladder and no way to release it? isn't milking humane in some way? > >Okay, I'm just gonna pretend that you wrote "udder" and weren't implying >that we drink cow pee. *hee hee hee hee* *ROTF* (seriously) more than i can't believe i wrote that, i can't believe you're the only one who noticed. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:36:47 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: The ongoing Vegetarian Debate In article <74cb4r$8s1$1@winter.news.rcn.net>, kleahy@loyola.edu says... > >>don't quote me on this, but--isn't it painful for a cow to have a full > >>bladder and no way to release it? isn't milking humane in some way? > > > >Okay, I'm just gonna pretend that you wrote "udder" and weren't implying > >that we drink cow pee. *hee hee hee hee* > > *ROTF* (seriously) more than i can't believe i wrote that, i can't believe > you're the only one who noticed. She's not - just the only one who said anything. :) ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 22:15:37 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? In article <36699aee.5147435@news3.ibm.net>, vika@ibm.net wrote: >One of the legendary "secrets" of longevity of the asiatic peoples of >the former Soviet Union, especially those in mountainous regions, is >that they breathe clean air, exercise regularly and drink goat milk to >stay healthy. I guess, this one is too rooted into my mentality for >me to believe the lactose intolerance thing. :) > Isn't it yoghurt, not goat's milk, that helps them live so long? Yoghurt, even though it is fairly high in lactose, can be tolerated by the intolerant, because the active cultures produce the lactase enzyme required for digestion. Besides, they're not "asians" in the sense that demographers mean by the "asian-americans" mentioned in the earlier post. The folks known for being old are Georgians, from the Caucasus, and are thus caucasians. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 1998 22:55:06 GMT From: jsmooth69@aol.comforce (JSmooth69) Subject: Re: Rambling... seems I missed some..... >Milk or dark chocolate? Milk of course >Labatt or Molson? Labatt (Ice to be exact) >white or red?? neither >Junior or Whopper? neither. . .who knows what's in it... Jason "He is head strong and cocksure. . . or is it the other way around." -Ahsneeze father of Achoo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:32:57 -0600 From: grandote Subject: IS JASON REISER A BAD TRADER!?!?!?!? can anyone please tell me any information on jason reiser. i was involved in a blanks and postage deal and i sent the blanks and postage sometime in september. after several POLITE emails and many months later, no fucking word from him. if anyone can give me any insight in this, please do so. thank y'all very much. patiently, dan watson ______________________________________ ________| |_______ boy \ | "The lizards were a race of people | / god \ | practically extinct from doing things| / \ | smart people don't do" | / man / |______________________________________| \ shit /_________) (________\ Wash uffitze drive me to firenze http://students.uiuc.edu/~dmwatson/ pornstar@uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 22:53:23 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? In article <19981205165742.19087.00000418@ng-fq1.aol.com>, bbwminors@aol.com wrote: > I think I can (sort of) explain the lactose intolerance of African Americans >(please bear with me here, this is something I learned in a college course) >... >it was explained to us by the professor (African American) that the lactose >intolerance developed over several generations because the slaves were >not >given any milk or milk products (no refrigeration plus slave owners who >weren't >about to give their slaves any healthy food), so as a result they simply >lost >any tolerance they might have had. Basically a "use it or you'll lose it" >thing. This sounds Lamarckian to me. (Lamarck was the fellow who thought that acquired traits could be inherited.) Evolutionary changes in response to environment don't happen to a whole race within a couple hundred years. There would have to be some reason why the lactose-tolerant were less likely to survive that environment and produce offspring. It just makes no sense. Regards, Steve "Nonsense Detective" ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 1998 23:22:39 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: Re: IS JASON REISER A BAD TRADER!?!?!?!? Quite the contrary, as far as i am concerned. He has been more than kind to me, helping out a perfect stranger. I am sure he can speak for himself but i would bet that he receives more requests than is humanly possible to handle. Somehow he manages to come through though. I for one owe him a huge debt of gratitude. So here is a great big public thanks to Jason Hang in there Dan. jude ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:17:50 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: To Herb or not to Herb? tehe=+) lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) delighted us with: >If you count cheese as non-veggie, then there are fewer veggie dishes. Who'd >want a dish of basil? Four words. Basil. Tomatos. Olive oil. mmmmm.................... (as long as the basil is FRESH, the only way to really eat it) - -v, cook Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "The wonderful thing about Shakespeare is that when it's done well, it makes people feel smarter than they are. As opposed to dumber than they are. There is really no in-between." - Spencer Golub ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:15:29 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) delighted us with: >Isn't it yoghurt, not goat's milk, that helps them live so long? Yoghurt, even >though it is fairly high in lactose, can be tolerated by the intolerant, >because the active cultures produce the lactase enzyme required for digestion. Don't know, although would be interesting to find out. Although *we've* always been told (yeah, yeah, by the [communist] government, don't always believe your government OR anyone THAT far to the left, blah, blah :) ) that it was milk. >Besides, they're not "asians" in the sense that demographers mean by the >"asian-americans" mentioned in the earlier post. The folks known for being old >are Georgians, from the Caucasus, and are thus caucasians. Well, the Georgians were only one example. This also applies to the asiatic peoples - Kazahstan, Kirgizstan, Tadjikistan, and those farther to the east (plus the people to the far northeast, in the tundras - does anyone know if reindeer lactate?). As far as I've been told. :) - -v, product of her education Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "The wonderful thing about Shakespeare is that when it's done well, it makes people feel smarter than they are. As opposed to dumber than they are. There is really no in-between." - Spencer Golub ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:22:25 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Indie Tape Available Hey HEY! so uhm, i asked sarah to forward this info to you kiddies cuz i haven't been keeping up with the newsgroup lately (so i appologize if she has already done so!) but... there's an indie tape available at the mere price of $20 (as opposed to the 60-someodd it's currently going for at ebay) through gemm.com/ i pondered buying it and then puting it up at ebay but i dunno... i'm not one for profiting off the boys work :) take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:22:09 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? >does anyone know if reindeer lactate?). As far as I've been >told. :) if they're mammals that bear offspring they do. that's one of the things that makes a mammal a mammal. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 03:50:29 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? Vika asked: > >not to mention the fact that the majority of the world's population is > >lactose intolerant. > > Really? How do you know? > > Genuine question, not meant to offend. I'm just surprised at that, > since a LOT of the world's human population drinks milk (of cows, > goats, sheep, camels) after infant age. Well, here's anecdotal info, not necessarily the scientific news. My son was lactose-intolerant as a young child, has gradually "outgrown" it in that now he can tolerate regular cow's milk, without benefit of Lactaid or other tablets or drops, without digestive upset. If he has too much, or eats lots of cheese, whole 'nother story. As I was learning how to deal with this and still give him adequate calcium intake, I heard all the stats and ethnic correlations previously cited in this thread. Yes, most of the world's non-European-heritage population is lactose-intolerant. But as there are so many different kinds of milk-giving animals, it is less an issue in other cultures than here in North America where cow's milk is the norm. Even here, baby formula is not cow's milk per se, but is processed to increase levels of some nutrients and remove others that cause digestive and allergy problems in a majority of infants. Even Caucasian infants' stomachs are just not equipped to deal with what is intended as food for entirely different, much larger infants with not one but four stomachs. The bottom line I heard on this was from a nurse, who said that, in general, the incidence and severity of lactose-intolerance decreases with the size of the animal whose milk is being consumed. Smaller animals' infant digestive systems are much more like our own, is the thinking. So although much of the world can't tolerate the levels of lactose in cow's milk, that of sheep, goats, camels, horses or what have you is less likely to upset, even though it still contains lactose. And so Kenyans can rely on camel milk as a staple of their diet. Also, some methods of fermenting milk from any animal, for example yogurt or some cheeses, renders the lactose harmless to many who can't tolerate fresh cow's milk. Andrew got most of his calcium from yogurt and calcium-rich vegetables for several years, until his more mature body was able to tolerate 2 or 3 glasses of milk a day. Why did I not just switch him to goat milk or soy, you may ask? Mainly, because he *likes* regular milk. With children, you learn to pick your battles -- and I didn't want one over food when he's never been a picky or demanding eater. So we worked out ways for him to have a little cow's milk, and he was able to figure out how much was okay and how much was too much by how he felt -- and now he occasionally overdoes it, but he's basically sensible about it. Mission accomplished. - -- Lori ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:06:28 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? LeSystemeD wrote: > It's not my impression that milk cows "choose" not to feed. Left > on her own, wouldn't a cow just stop producing after weaning, > like a human mother does? Cows do bellow when left unmilked, but > a gradual weaning is probably bearable for them. Or have we bred > them so thoroughly for milk-giving that their natural cycle has > been overridden? No, we keep them barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen so they will keep producing milk. Figuratively, of course. - -- chad at radix dot net I pay attention. I only pretend to care. --me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:29:14 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Histeria! (was: Re: Rambling...) Jacey7 wrote: > > >was gonna list some other preferences here, but...nah.< > I'm beginning to wonder just where this thread is heading.... ;-) > > So here's just some "generic Jen favorites": > > --Veggie burgers > --Breakfast at Tiffany's > --cheesy Wb dramas Speaking of the WB, has anyone seen "Histeria" yet? I must say that I liked "Tiny Toons" and loved "Animaniacs," but "Histeria" is something else entirely. Think of Früvous telling a 23 minute story of some historical event. Only, the Früvous version would be considered the "normal, main-stream historical" version. The "Histeria" version would be further out than what we would expect of Früvous. Did that make any sense? - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:20:37 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Rambling... Thomas Fazzio wrote: > > Sorry about the post with content relevant to Moxy Früvous, > buuuuuuut: On the MF group? What *are* you thinking? > Has anyone else played Live noise through Dolby Pro Logic surround > sound? Uh no, because CDs and radio usually sound like crap through DPL. > It's actually pretty damn good! (like, duh! of course it does, > right :) Many CDs don't sound good in DPL surround, but some do, > and Live Noise is *definately* one of them. If you can get the > chance, take a listen. hmmm... /gets up /takes Roxette CD from CD player /puts LN in player /presses play /hmmmmm.... > (and now back to the regularly expected, non-Früvous content) > ummmmmm... to expand the little meat/no meat thread: > Coke or Pepsi? Sobe Black Tea. (http://www.sobebev.com/) > Stuffed Crust or regular? Papa Johns. > Leno or Letterman? Sleep. > Boxers or briefs? Boxers. It's not a choice of underwear. It's a philosophy. > Air Popped or microwave popcorn? Traditional, popped in a popper wiht oil. > (straining to think of more...) > Les Mis or Phantom? Rent, followed closely by Miss Saigon. > Macintosh or the other? Sun. > 1-800-Call-ATT or 1-800-Collect? mobile phones were invented for a reason. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:56:09 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: To Herb or not to Herb? tehe=+) Vika Zafrin wrote: > Four words. > > Basil. > Tomatos. > Olive oil. > > mmmmm.................... > > (as long as the basil is FRESH, the only way to really eat it) > > -v, cook Oh Vika, come to Maryland. :) - -- chad at radix dot net I've done my time..... ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #89 *******************************************