From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #73 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, December 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [Re: inquisitions] [Angie Armstrong ] Re: coupla things... [kpfruhead@aol.com (KPFruhead)] Re: inquisitions [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: new fru : D [Chad Maloney ] Re: Fruvous en Espanol??? [nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (] RE: Stand and be counted ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] Re: inquisitions [Josh Drury ] RE: Feeling old ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] RE: coupla things... ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] More Important Stuff (i.e. Hockey) [Chad Maloney ] Re: coupla things... [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Ithica Review [dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:34:50 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Re: [Re: inquisitions] (Oh no...this isn't gonna start a 6 Degrees of FRUVOUS thread, is it?!? >:) ) aarrghhhh!!! actually, not directly related to the ng but still just as funny and well, creepy. I just got email via my work address from sixdegrees.com re: my friend Steve from College. Aaagh, scary!!!! Guess I have not choice but to sign up... *sigh* I'm such a follower. Baaah Baaaah Baaaaah - --Angie ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 1998 20:03:34 GMT From: kpfruhead@aol.com (KPFruhead) Subject: Re: coupla things... >if the Christians have a problem with other peoplle's religions-tough it's >neither thier right nor responiblity to police the ng or the fanbase for >acceptable forms of worship (snip) >no one should be made to they are not welcome on this ng (or anywhere >else,for that matter!) because they have a different view of God I didn't really have any intentions of participating in this thread, but this is something I felt I had to respond to. In all the post I've read on this topic, I have not seen one person say anything rejecting non-christians or trying to forcably convert anybody. I have not heard one thing that would make me feel that way about the discussion. Trying despratly not to offend anybody or start a flame war, I say let the thread go as it has been, nobody's done anything to make me think it should stop. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:02:56 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: inquisitions Josh spake thusly: >Fruvous content: Isabel Allende was the daughter of Salvador Allende, >The democratically elected socialist leader who was ousted in a coup >and replaced by Pinochet, mentioned in Fruvous's "The Kids' Song". I am humbled by your powers of connection! : ) Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:53:41 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: new fru : D cheeky monkey wrote: > my name's jess and i'm a first year at smith college. Hi Jess! Glad you delurked yourself. Nice geographical placement that smith college. That NoHo show was probably a really great first show. The BJ Story was incredible and then the second set was a really high energy romp through a lot of the standard live show tunes, with more energy than usual. Good stuff. Again, welcome! Check FDC early and check it often *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:49:57 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: Fruvous en Espanol??? On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:40:49 GMT, someone looking suspiciously like caroline whispered these words: >y hola a ti, Laura. ahora podemos molestar los fruheads que hablan frances. >heh heh. Ay! Vas a molestar a los de nosotros que hablan frances? Espero que no... Ademas, yo puedo decirles lo que dicen. ;) Heh heh. - --nicole el nerdo de wonder - -- "I'm gonna be a pirate on the river Saskatchewan!"--The Arrogant Worms Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:54:32 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: Stand and be counted On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 12:33 PM, nafio@my-dejanews.com [SMTP:nafio@my-dejanews.com] wrote: > *g* Coming from a household where "left-wing Catholic" is not an oxymoron at > all, and having gone to a Catholic high school where there were not only > several left-wing teachers, but left-wing *religion* teachers I've heard this > a million times. I'd love a copy of that article if you could get it Melanie. Sure, I'll see if I can lay my hands on it. Coincidentally, it happens to be said former boss's 40th birthday today, so this is a good reason to go up and razz him! My personal opinion: I can't figure out how Christianity ever got allied with restricting personal freedom in the first place. I know that it happened, I just can't figure out *how*! Jesus taught tolerance and love, something the more obnoxious right-wingers don't seem to practice much (please note: I'm referring to specific persons, not a class of people). Too me, it makes much more sense that a Christian would be a liberal (and I'm not saying if I'm a lefty or a righty, myself). I just have this thing about hypocrites, y'know? (-->end personal opinion) Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:02:56 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Fruvous en Espanol >Una gran idea! Pero no puedo escribir con accentos en esta >computadora- Lo ciento! Ai ai ai. Yo no se donde estan los accentos tampoco. iEstoy muy enojada! iYo necesito saber estas cosas! Mierda. Es maravilloso saber que hay otros Frufans que hablan >espanol. Hola a todos! Buenos dias, mi amiga de espanol! Pero, yo hablo frances tambien. Lo siento mucho, pero yo quiero saber que los hombres de "FRU" hablan. Claro? >Una vez estaba el rey de Espana... >Ahora como pastel humilde. In English now (so as not to alienate anyone)... I am so glad that I'm not the only one who translates lyrics into Spanish. I took three years in highschool, and whenever I had to do "the run" in Phys Ed, I would sing songs in my head and try to translate them. I would also count and conjugate (verbs, you sickos!), just to keep my mind on something productive. Heather "Mariposita y/et Petit Chou" Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:46:10 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: coupla things... On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:40:31 GMT, someone looking suspiciously like Angie Armstrong whispered these words: >1) re: FrüChristians... um, can i still play in the Moxy Sandbox if I'm _not_ >christian? I haven't decided _what_ I am yet, I've done Roman Catholic, I was >brought up Lutheran, I've done Jehovah's Witness (*involuntary shudder* bad >experience for me), I've done Baptist, I've done Episcopal, Presbyterian, >JudeoChristian, Wiccan, Druid, Native American Tribal (I'm friends with a few >mystics and medicine women)... Nothing's called to me just yet. My music >director is Unitarian and is the music director for one of the Unitarian >Church's here in Rochester, I just can't bring myself to "go to worship" >because i question organized religion in general. I love life, I love nature, >I love all creatures big and small, I love mystery... is that enough? I'm with ya, Angie... I've more or less settled on agnosticism (the strong kind) after forays into several wildly divergent schools of thought... mostly I try to keep an open mind, and I make it a point to learn as much as I can about other religions. - --nicole twn p.s. whereabouts in CA are you from, Angie? - -- "I'm gonna be a pirate on the river Saskatchewan!"--The Arrogant Worms Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:00:26 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: coupla things... On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:40:31 GMT, Angie Armstrong >1) re: FrüChristians... um, can i still play in the Moxy Sandbox if I'm _not_ >christian? I haven't decided _what_ I am yet, I've done Roman Catholic, I was >brought up Lutheran, I've done Jehovah's Witness (*involuntary shudder* bad >experience for me), I've done Baptist, I've done Episcopal, Presbyterian, >JudeoChristian, Wiccan, Druid, Native American Tribal (I'm friends with a few >mystics and medicine women)... Nothing's called to me just yet. Does anything have to? It seems to me that you may not necessarily believe what a large group of people have labeled their religion; if so, why try to align yourself? Just stick behind what you *do* believe. :) I have a similar background, actually. Brought up Baptist (naturally, I was reared in Alabama), realized at 20 that I didn't agree with what I'd been taught, ransacked other religions to find if anything correlated with what I *did* believe (have y'all studied Hindi? woah. wild stuff!), explored Wicca (my 3 siblings are all pantheistic/pagan) attended Native American services for about a year (i.e., private sweat lodges in rural Florida, and I actually did love them). . . Now I'm rereading a book that really seems to push a lot of the right buttons for me, "Conversations With God," by Neale Donald Walsch. Very new-agey, live-your-own-life stuff. And I guess what I believe pretty much comes down to a philosophy I hope many would accept as valid: follow whatever path best leads you to know and love yourself and others, and you're doing okay. One other thing: not to pontificate too much, but I did want to say something about Phil Schwan's comment on Christmas, in another thread. This isn't Christ's birthday. It's the recognized celebration of it, yes, but Christ was born in the spring. This was a pagan holiday, Yule, long before it was adopted by the Christian church. I'm not trying to start a flame war or dump on anyone's holiday, I just don't like disinformation. ceecee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:03:04 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Due to the volume... Okay, so I'm gonna respond to a bunch of posts at once 'cause they all tie together. M-kay? I'll try to keep it brief. Angie said: "um, can i still play in the Moxy Sandbox if I'm _not_ Christian?" I sure hope so. It would make me pretty sad if the entire world just believed one thing and that was it. Plenty of people talk about "harmony," but to me, everyone sharing one belief and one idea is not harmony, it is monotony. Ick. I can think of nothing I like less. For the record, one of my aunts is Jewish, the other is Wiccan, and my three best friends are Atheist, Baptist and Recovering Catholic (respectively). My dad changed his own denomination a couple'a times before he was called to the priesthood, for goodness sake! So, what I say is: Angie, I welcome and treasure your ideas, especially if they differ from my own. To me, it is ignorant to live one's life believing in something blindly if one does not take the time to see what else there is. These other opinions and viewpoints can serve to either A) strengthen one's own beliefs, or B) make one aware of what one is missing! Does that make sense? Phew. Then Melanie said: "Hey, hey! Maybe we can show these folks that Christian is *not* a four-letter word!" Yes yes yes. Neither is Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Pagan or Wiccan, or any other OPINION for that matter. Religion (or decided lack thereof) is a choice like any other, and we should respect one another's right to choose. Eve said: "I'm in the process of developing my own spiritual beliefs." More power to ya, sweet thing. : ) I'm glad you spoke up. Andi said: "if the Christians have a problem with other people's religions-tough it's neither their right nor responiblity to police the ng or the fanbase for acceptable forms of worship." You are so right, Andi. I am in full accord with you. If for any reason the post that I sent *privately* to some members of this newsgroup (which was then posted) has anyones feathers all a-ruffle, I would like to take this moment to apologize. Because of the society we live in, one which places massive and demeaning stereotypes on the followers of many religions (be they evangelical Christians or members of Heaven's Gate), I was wary of this thread to begin with (hence, private posting). It is interesting, though, that the simple discussion of similarities between individuals has made so many people uncomfortable (myself included). Would we be having such alienation issues if the discussion was about who rooted for what hockey team? It makes me sad that religion is the basis for such discomfort and animosity. I certainly hope, Andi, that this discussion does not colour your opinion of the Fruvous ng as an unwelcome place. I will speak solely for myself (as that is clearly the only safe path) when I say that that was never my intention, nor my desire. I wish you welcome. Finally, Eve said again: "I think we have done a fine job of sharing views without putting anyone down." Here here! Thanks for allowing me this opportunity to spew my philosophies on ya'll. In good faith, Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:22:35 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: new fru : D On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:14 PM, cheeky monkey [SMTP:jweinhar@mail.smith.edu] wrote: > dear frulist, > i've been reading the list for a while but i haven't posted since i [snip] > my dad's kinda silly, huh? just thought i'd share the wonderfulness of > what happens when wonderful parents hear the wonderful music of moxy > fruvous. yeah! that's all. love to all > love, > jess Welcome, Jess. Good for you for posting, and better for you that you have cool parents. Enjoy them! And enjoy the ng! Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:11:31 -0600 From: Marty Blase Subject: Ithaca live concert tape? Sharna: if you're online and reading this message, skip ahead right now. There's nude binaries of Marcus Cole from "Babylon 5" free to download in the very next thread. Okay, now that she's gone: Did anyone make a tape of the Ithaca concert on Dec.1? I have a friend who wasn't able to go due to funds and exams, and I thought it would make a wunnerful Christmas present if I could get a tape for her. - - Marty mblase@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:16:31 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: inquisitions petit_chou@juno.com wrote: > > Josh spake thusly: > >Fruvous content: Isabel Allende was the daughter of Salvador Allende, > >The democratically elected socialist leader who was ousted in a coup > >and replaced by Pinochet, mentioned in Fruvous's "The Kids' Song". > > I am humbled by your powers of connection! : ) > Do not worship me... It's just stuff I happen to know. I'm always quick to jump on a chance to display whatever trivial knowledge I have. JD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:47:29 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: Feeling old On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:24 PM, Srm9988n@aol.com [SMTP:Srm9988n@aol.com] wrote: > Seriously. I feel my very youngest when I'm around Fruheads. (I act Oh, yes, definitely. I just *can't* feel old when I'm listening to Fruvous. Their music brings back all the dreams and idealism of my (ahem) younger days, before I got beaten down by life a couple of times. They remind me that I stand for something apart from my day to day drivel. Principles are ageless, I think, and MF absolutely makes me feel ageless. Another opinion: I think Moxy would have been great soundtrack music for "Thirtysomething." Or for "My So-called Life." Melanie 29 with experience (alright, fine, I'm 34. Happy?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:06:27 GMT From: Taryn Chase Subject: off-topic: denominations First, I want to thank everyone for responding to this thread so kindly. I know religion can tend to be a heated topic, and I didn't intend for it to develop this much--but I welcome discourse; it opens our minds. Apologies for the off-topic, but thanks for the freedom. I love you guys more and more all the time... Now, where was I? Oh, puggles@mindspring.com (Kelly MacDougal) told the tale: I totally know where you're coming from on this one. I went on a missions trip to Ireland once, and since the group came from such a wide array of backgrounds, I advised the leader to address this issue before we left--foreseeing all sorts of awkward situations... I didn't want any narrow-minded students making assumptions about the faith of anyone we ran into, especially not in a country with an elaborate history of tension in this area... Pointing to factions or denominations, in my opinion, would immediately taint any positive effect we could have on each other (notice I didn't say 'us on them'...) My point, both then and now, is that our goal as Christians should be to encourage people to have a personal relationship with/seek God, and not to tell them where to go to church. I think denominations are just another way the church defeats itself. Christ came to promote unity and love, and here are the sad effects of poor interpretation... And after all, doesn't catholic (lowercase 'c') mean universal? Taryn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:09:37 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: coupla things... On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 3:46 PM, nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org [SMTP:nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org] wrote: > I'm with ya, Angie... I've more or less settled on agnosticism (the > strong kind) after forays into several wildly divergent schools of > thought... mostly I try to keep an open mind, and I make it a point to > learn as much as I can about other religions. That's pretty much my story. After being raised Episcopalian, I spent many years as an atheist, but continued to actively seek information about religion and things spiritual (guess I was a lousy atheist). After awhile, I found a spirituality of my own, which deepened enough over time for me to want a formalized form of expression. I therefore looked for and found a religion which adequately satisfied my need for community, ritual and worship, and that had teachings I could live with and pass on to my children. I don't equate my religion with my spirituality, although they definitely intertwine quite a bit. I also don't begrudge anyone else's search, religious beliefs, or their lack of interest. The Universe is a big, big place. There's room for all of us here. Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:27:49 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Re: [RE: Stand and be counted] ( Too me, it makes much more sense that a Christian would be a liberal (and I'm not saying if I'm a lefty or a righty, myself). I just have this thing about hypocrites, y'know? (-->end personal opinion)) A couple of responses: 1) When I was very young, my uncle gave me this yellow book called "My book of Bible Stories" (it wasn't until I was in 7th grade and went through my Kingdom Hall phase that I realized it was a Jehovah's Witness' publication). It was divided into old testament and new testament, and each "story" had a moral question or paragraph at the end. In all, it was actually a very good book for a young person to read. The thing that most left an impression in my mind though, even to this day, was the drastic difference in attitude between the old and new testaments. In the old God is harsh and cruel and punishing and nigh intolerant. All of a sudden its the new Testament and God has a change of heart and he's loving and forgiving and sensitive and generous. That's way over-simplifying it, but the sentiment is about right for the level of the book. I've tried reading through a few versions of "The bible" since then to determine exactly what caused this drastic change of attitude, but this was one of the things that got me doubting organized religion. There are so many versions and interpretations of the Bible, and they are just that... someone's interpretations of events that [may] have happened eons ago. I believe that events happened, I believe that something must have happened to inspire someone(s) to document it, but as with any "historical" source it is widely subject to interpretation. Anyway, I'm babbling again so back to my responses. 2)Welcome Jess, unfortunately I _am_ usually like this so I can't make excuses for myself ;^) I tend to switch often between which foot is in my mouth at any given moment... but of the ng'ers can put up with me, then you'll do just fine! I've only been posting since the 2nd week of Nov, but I post so much I feel like I've been here forever! Have fun, and dare to be! 3) re: Früvous in Espanol, Que Bueno! Yo comprendo pero recuerdo poquito. Puedo leer todos los (como se dice "posts?"), pero no puedo escribir. *sigh* Lo siento ;^) 4) trivial knowledge: where would the world be without trivial knowledge??? my brain is stuffed to capacity with useless knowledge... so much so that I can't even remember important stuff that I'm supposed to. ;^) 5) Nicole, I grew up in San Diego, a small "suburb" in the middle of the desert called (aptly enough) El Centro, and another small town called Brawley. I was there long enough to be in a 6.5 earthquake... I still have a momentary panic if an object I'm sitting or standing on starts shaking (I absolutely abhored garbage day, and the boiler in my High School right under my 5th period class ugh). I think that's it. Gotta git, there's FrüBars to be made and Lindy Hop to be danced tonight!!! Hasta la Manana!!! Vaya con Früvous! *smirk* On the Road of Life I strive to be a Speed Bump ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:47:13 GMT From: Krista Subject: Re: Feeling old Demetriou, Melanie wrote: > > Another opinion: I think Moxy would have been great soundtrack music for > "Thirtysomething." Or for "My So-called Life." Hey, that *is* a good idea! I never saw Thirtysomething (I'm in the wrong age bracket for that show, I think), but I used to watch "My So-called Life" religiously. I'm *still* disgruntled about the show's cancellation...what *were* they thinking?!?? ---Krista--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:17:42 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: More Important Stuff (i.e. Hockey) petit_chou@juno.com wrote: > Would we be having such alienation issues if the discussion was about who > rooted for what hockey team? Durned tootin' we would. Rangers fans would be lying dead at their keyboards. Philly fans laughing at the poor Maple Leaf and Blackhawk fans. Buffalo Sabres fans posting to the ng in full goalie gear cursing everyone. But when it is all said and done, we'd all love the St. Louis Blues. They are the bass guitar of hockey. But enough metaphors, I should get back to work =) - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:52:24 GMT From: Marie.Claude@canada.com Subject: Re: America, it's right here south of Canada, north of Mexico > Oh, tu sais, moi je n'ai presque aucune idee ou mettre les accents; je > les ignore completement. :) > > --nicole twn Du je-m'en-foutisme à son meilleur!! Hey... est-ce que ça devrait aller contre mes convictions de contribuer à un thread aucunement pertinent *ET* dans une autre langue?? Je pense que oui. D'une pierre deux coups, eh? ;) Marie-Claude - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:39:39 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Ithaca live concert tape? Hey there...... just so everyone knows: The guys didn't want anyone taping at the Ithaca show....... I was going to be, but at the last minute, they decided that they'd be much more comfortable playing all their new songs if they weren't under the added pressure of being taped. Perfectly understandable... if you ask me. So, before folks start asking about tapes of the show...... there aren't any. :) Cheers, nate Marty Blase wrote: > Okay, now that she's gone: Did anyone make a tape of the Ithaca concert on > Dec.1? I have a friend who wasn't able to go due to funds and exams, and I > thought it would make a wunnerful Christmas present if I could get a tape > for her. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:41:51 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: coupla things... >1) re: FrüChristians... um, can i still play in the Moxy Sandbox if >I'm _not_ >christian? I haven't decided _what_ I am yet, I've done Roman >Catholic, I was >brought up Lutheran, I've done Jehovah's Witness (*involuntary >shudder* bad >experience for me), I've done Baptist, I've done Episcopal, >Presbyterian, >JudeoChristian, Wiccan, Druid, Native American Tribal (I'm friends >with a few >mystics and medicine women)... Nothing's called to me just yet. My >music >director is Unitarian and is the music director for one of the >Unitarian >Church's here in Rochester, I just can't bring myself to "go to >worship" >because i question organized religion in general. I love life, I love >nature, >I love all creatures big and small, I love mystery... is that enough? > > >--Angie >*boingie boingie boingie boingie* --Animaniacs > Did you ever try Non denominational? Your in Rochester NY, right? You might try my old church if the spirit moves you. It is in Perrington, its Perrington Community Church (PCC). The Reverend (or what ever you call 'em) is Wane Hill and his wife is Fran. They are so cool! Now I wanna address this "can I play in the Moxy playbox?" thingie. Look here woman! We all gather round our puters to spew forth our differing views! Come and feel the love of Fruvous!!!!=+) Yeah! Animaniacs!!! Much LOve Mindy ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 1998 22:46:56 GMT From: dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01) Subject: Ithica Review Wow....What a Show. We got a bunch of new songs!!! (and my opinions/Thoughts of them.) I arrived with a bunch of Frufans in tow, including Bridget from Colorado. THe Haunt to me was a hole in the wall, although everyone that I talked to said that it was their favorite place in Ithica. I guess I've been too spoiled with going to the Tralf numerous times. The show started around 9:45. They opened with Sahara: (The Rockin' version, not the Jam) Jockey: (Typical follow-up. One I'll never get tired of.) After Jockey, They went into a Super long (maybe 10 min) jam about New York. MIke mentioned that he thought the Slogan for New York was the Entire State, (Empire state is the real one, like Empire State Building) This evolved into the Jam, which crossed over many musical styles. Horseshoes: (Another Show favorite!) Then Came the First of the New Songs!!! Can't Be Too Careful: This song reminded me a lot like the Beatles. It featured Mike on Lead vocal, acoustic guitar,and harmonica. It was kinda similar to Half as Much as well. There Comes a Time (I think that's what they said it was, although Cal's setlist says "Comes a Time"): This song kinda reminded me of the Barenaked Ladies song, "She's on Time" I don't know if it was the beat, or the similarity of the titles/chorus'. How Much I Think of You: This was introed as a new song, but it really isn't. I really love the song, but tonight's version seemed too heavy. They had Mike on the Electric guitar, Dave playing the Keyboard (in like a organ sound), Jian on Drums, and Murray on Bass. I liked it better with Mike on the Acoustic. The Drums and Bass were too overpowering as well. I still love the song though. Cheek to Cheek: A cover. With a Ithica reference thrown in. Another New Song: Downsizing: A dark mellow song with Jian on Lead, and acousic. This song reminded me a little bit of the Rheostatics, in particular, "Bad Time To Be Poor" The version on the No-Mega CD anyways. This song was real depressing. Before the Song, Jian asked if they could get the Lights (In particular these two cannon lights that had no color filter. Murray commented that they are the same ones that they use to light the CN Tower. They brought down all the lights, and mike was playing the keyboards in almost total darkness.) I Love My Boss: A fitting followup to downsizing. Definitely a change in mood. You Will Go To The Moon: staying in the almost A capella area. Murray added this Sputnik sound during the short break in the song. The Kids Song: Great version! Mike added a whole Star Trek/Spock reference! My Poor Generation: This wasn't introduced as a New song. I love the song. I don't know if they're thinking of adding it to the new album. I Will Hold On: I love this song. They nail it amost everytime. Michigan Militia: Did I tell you how much I love the Banjo? Jonny Saucepan: Another Banjo Tune! King of Spain/GE & H: I was wonderin' when they were gonna throw this in. During Green, and Not The Beatles! part, Jian said this is Ithica, where there are a bunch of Wanna Be Hippies, who probably just Bought Rubber Soul, and are wearing Tan Flare Cords. Murray looked and Jian and was about to say something, but Instead just pointed to Jian's pants. BJ Don't Cry: Another show favorite! Ended with: Billy Jean Medley: I love this song! As soon as Dave Picked up the Banjo, I knew it was to be played! 1st Encore: Authors: Murray: My Crucifixion Jian: He was Looking Straight! Pyscho: I love this song! 2nd Encore: Drinking. Typical crowd swaying and singing off key ending. This was a great show! I loved the new songs. The following were my observations of the show. I'm sure other people will have different opinions of the new songs. I can't wait until Thursday and Friday for the Clinton, NY shows. Daniel "signature currently under construction... Come back soon" ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #73 *******************************************