From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #60 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, November 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NYE Web page [Lynne Fisher ] Re: NYC All Ages show [RaPidoG@aol.com] RE: Cable Descrambler .... Now Only $7.00 ! [AGarcia727@aol.com] Canadian TV [petit_chou@juno.com] Repost: was re: Smarties ["Arbie Fru" Subject: NYE Web page I've sort of been quickly sifting through messages this week, trying to catch up on work and keep up w/ the number of posts.... If anyone would like to be added to the NYC-NYE list (and the FruCon list- except I think Vika is keeping a page of info on that one) please email me privately. 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Heather Moore (sorry for the disconnectedness of this - I'm really tired) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:33:43 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Repost: was re: Smarties A couple of my posts from several days ago seem to have gone poof. If they decide to reappear at some point I apologize for posting them again: BBWMinors wrote in article <19981121094422.21717.00000925@ng80.aol.com>... > So now that I know what Smarties are, what are Shreddies? My assumption being > it's like our Shredded Wheat. > Not quite. Think of Chex cereal with more substance. Or if that doesn't work for you try Mini Wheats with a little less substance and better taste. - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc Reply address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. arbie_fru@bc.sympatico.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1998 08:40:28 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Repost: re: Fruvous Egegesis- Sahara A couple of my posts from several days ago seem to have gone poof. If they decide to reappear at some point I apologize for posting them again: LeSystemeD wrote in article <19981121124920.25469.00000451@ngol04.aol.com>... An intriguing theory about Sahara *snip* > Whiskey, hi-de-ho, and a band playing don't mesh > with images of desert vastness and loneliness. Who could drink whiskey at > screamin' forty-five degrees (on your Celsius scale, of course). I have always assumed a colonial empire kind of storyline, envisioning some sort of desert oasis town where mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the mid-day sun and drink Scotch no matter what the temperature. Bogart. Casablanca. Casbahs. Foreign Legions. Etc. > This key seemed to unlock the whole song for me. It's still weird, but weird > with a point. Imagine poor old Joey Bishop, mourning the passing of Frank and > Dino and Sammy, estranged from Peter...lamenting the lost days of power and > adulation; days spent at the Sands or the Sahara, itself now just a memory, a > gold empire burned to the ground...or was it just...the Mirage, a short way > down the strip? I like this. Don't be too sure that more than one interpretation wasn't intentionally engineered in > Deconstruction is such fun. I'll drink to that. ("bartender, scotch, 12yr old single malt, double, 1 rock, si vous plait; oh and another of whatever Steve's drinking, merci") - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc Reply address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. arbie_fru@bc.sympatico.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1998 09:04:22 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Other NGs was Re: with a rutabega A couple of my posts from several days ago seem to have gone poof. If they decide to reappear at some point I apologize for posting them again: There is a certain irony in this post considering it should have appeared before the Alex Stetson post and before all the back and forth about Lynne Fisher's post. Hmmm..... KatieWow wrote in article <735c41$2km$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>... > can i just say how happy i am with the people on this newsgroup? > i long ago gave up on the dave matthews newsgroup, and am on the verge of > deserting BNL's because of jerks who feel the need to prove their fanhood by > being awful to newcomers (i refuse to use the term newbie). everyone here > is so welcoming! it's fantastic. that's the way alt.music.barenaked-ladies > used to be; now, however, not so. . > ~~kate Well, their loss is our gain:) Seriously, you have touched on probably the greatest fear of everyone who hangs around here much, that things may not stay this way in the short or longer term, particularly if/as/when the guys hit big. I think we all are thrilled to see our numbers growing as it means the guys are gaining wider acceptance, however if it grows too fast we risk the same problems you have seen elsewhere. As I see it, it boils down to knowing the other people here, which engenders a feeling of community. If you don't know somebody it's easy to blow them off. Too many new people all at once change the group rather than join with the group. If I really wanted to lecture I could draw parallels to the larger world (immigration springs to mind) but.....naah, maybe some other time. But hey, thanks for liking us, the feeling is mutual, hope we all get to enjoy each others company for a *long* time. Hmmm, after re-reading I would like to state that this post was not meant to sound pessimistic. I am in fact rather optimistic about us. - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc Reply address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. arbie_fru@bc.sympatico.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:44:15 GMT From: NYCjezebel@aol.com Subject: a hair comment ( was:Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~) a bit off-topic, but I've got hair a little bit like Jian's (mine is probably a little curlier) and it is not a pretty sight, especcially early in the morning...I prefer his. just a comment...angel ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1998 11:51:21 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Repost: re: Fruvous Egegesis- Sahara >'ll drink to that. ("bartender, scotch, 12yr old single malt, double, 1 >rock, si vous plait; oh and another of whatever Steve's drinking, merci") "One bourbon, one scotch, one beer" please. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:07:54 GMT From: bbowen8@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ How are we supposed to take criticism from a guy who also posts to alt.elvis.sighting? Bill - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:30:22 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: actual frucontent On Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:31 PM, Brenda Longstreet [SMTP:b_longstreet@yahoo.com] wrote: > > > A mere 9 days before my first show. Ah, the memories! > > > > > same here melanie!! ..falcon ridge changed my life! > ignore me. wrong way. so i cant count. i do know.... > 7 DAYS TILL THE *NEXT* SHOW LOL! Don't sweat it! And actually, Falcon Ridge changed *my* life, too, even though I wasn't there. That's where the person who converted me was converted himself. Life is funny that way, ain't it? Melanie Wheels within wheels In a spiral array ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:13:25 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: An essay... (yup, its long) On netiquette, trolls, Fru-cliques, protectiveness and why I bother reading this newsgroup... Okay, this is just a tumble of thoughts. Its not intended to offend or insult anybody. If it does I apologise, if you find this insulting and offensive then you've misinterpreted my intentions in posting it, but then again if you *are* insulted and offended then I've not expressed myself clearly so its my fault. All this is in my humble/honest opinion, as is everything I write, say or think. On netiquette... Its an oft repeated point that you lose expressiveness in a purely text based format and therefore ngs rapidly degenerate into flame wars because the reader can't detect the subtlies of expression you get in a face to face conversation. Well this is a fair enough argument I suppose, but I think it gets used as an excuse for lazy writing on ngs. Any library is full of books that fully and beautifully express every emotion known to humanity and *they're* only expressed in text. There's a book called Captain Corelli's Mandolin I recently read and it made me laugh my head off on one page and cry my eyes out on the next; its only presented in text, it has *exactly* the same tools for expression that we all have on a ng. Less, in fact; there were no smilies in it. You can express any subtly of emotion you want in a text based forum, it just takes a little patience, thought and care with your words. If you want you can express any subtly of emotion in morse code, it just takes a little effort. I find the concept of netiquette a fallacy. I don't see why netiquette should be any different from normal unelectronic human ettiquette. You know? Concepts like thinking about what you say before you say it? Trying to have some empathy with who you're talking to? Being polite? Not charging shouting into a conversation and then apologising afterwards? Why do we have to lay down these rules on a newsgroup when they are just perfectly normal, obvious rules of human behaviour? Maybe I'm just too old fashioned and too English. The reason I post on this ng is that the normal rules of ng behaviour don't apply. Chatting on this ng is not like any other music fan ng I know of, because this ng doesn't feel like its a ng; its just like chatting down a pub with some charming, intelligent friends. You can say things that the group may not agree with and you don't get shot down in flames, you get a discussion and understanding. Not three weeks ago I mentioned that I didn't much rate The Drinking Song and nobody jumped on me or demanded that I have my frumiles card revoked. Now try an equivalent experiment; go to alt.music.black-sabbath and say you don't much rate Paranoid. See what response you get there. On trolls... Moxy Fruvous are becoming more popular in the Americas (apparently, so I hear). This means that the Moxy Fruvous ng is going to become a target for trolls. We have to live with this. Trolling is only done by terribly insecure individuals (with small penises, a history of bedwetting and no chance of sex in the next six years) to get a response. Any response. There are two ways to really insult trolls... a) give them no response at all. When you think about it the amount of our time that the miserable little shit who posted the last trolling has wasted is significant, both in terms of the people who responded and in terms of the rest of us who read it. And this is *exactly* what he wanted. Imagine how he would have felt if he came back to the ng a couple of days after his putrid outburst to find no responses? That would have said to him `we don't find you contemptible, we find you beneath contempt, you are not worth the effort.' That is *considerably* more insulting than (perfectly valid) observations about the size of his penis and its lack of use. Yes, yes, I know its very tempting and enormously theraputic to sound off about him, but if you must don't post it to him or the ng, post it somewhere he can't see it, post it privately to other folks on the ng for example. Post it to me; I love small knob gags. (And yes, I see the irony of me prattling on about trolls and how they're not worth prattling on about.) b) be polite, charming and funny. Take a look at Chad's response to the last troll we had. Its here... ...or its on Fiona's quotes page... That was superb. It said `yes you're a pathetic little shit with a big gob aren't you? But actually I'm not lowering myself to your level in response.' Much, much, much more insulting. So please... next time we get a troll... please? On the Fru-clique... No. No-one here has any more right to speak for the band than anyone else. There is no Fruvous-correctness enforced by a clique of FruNazis (a thoroughly revolting expression I must say). Hand on heart I can say that there is no hierarchy of fandom here and I'd be the first to unsubscribe if there were. Everyone is welcome here, whether they've seen no shows or a million, whether they've travelled two inches to see a show or they've cycled a light year, whether they've heard King of Spain on the radio once or whether they've got all the albums and singles on CD, tape and wax cylinder gramophone records and all the recordings of every show they've ever done, whether they saw Dave in a supermarket queue once or whether they've had repeated sex with the whole band. I don't give a shit `how much' of a fan I am and neither, as far as I can tell, does anyone else here. The question of a Fru-clique pops up now and again and honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly it just does not exist. Do people *really* think that there's a Machiavellian group of Frufans who meet up in darkened rooms and decide what is Fru-right and Fru-wrong, who is a Fru-head and who isn't? Of course there isn't and I'm sorry but I find the whole idea ridiculous, and just a teency weency bit, um, paranoid. *All* the Fruheads I've met are, without doubt, some of the kindest, loveliest, intelligent, almost edibly gorgeous, fluffy, bouncy people its been my pleasure to encounter, not a malacious bunch of frusnobs. However, call me a socialist but I believe that we are however a group, a society, not a bunch of unconnected individuals. Therefore there are group norms and ideas, and if you post things that go against the group norm, people will disagree with you. In just the same way that if I walked into a vegetarian society meeting carrying a side of beef I would expect to get some negative reaction. And really it would be a bit unfair of me to respond with `Oh you veggie guys! You're so sensitive. Lighten up!' Nobody *enforces* a norm here, but there is a norm all the same. If you cross the norm and people disagree with you it is not really very fair to cry foul and claim you're being picked on. You're not. Honest. On protectiveness... Moxy Fruvous are, from my experience, *extremely* caring and considerate of their fan base. Which other band wander out after the shows and chat with the fans? Which other band offer the Frumiles to their fans? This is why I believe we are protective; not because we want to keep the band to ourselves, but because the band *already* go way beyond the call of duty for their fans. Asking for more seems a little ungrateful. It sort of has the ring of a small child shouting up the chimney on Christmas morning `Oi! Santa! I want more presents than these!' Now I'm no expert on these things, but I beleive there are certain things that the band have `let be known' to the fans. Things like taping shows and not distributing the tapes for profit. It is only fair that we respect these wishes. Of course, you all know this surely. Am I preaching to the converted or what? We respect the band's wishes and we ask other fans to do the same. And in a perfectly zen-like response the band respects the fans wishes by repeatedly putting out wonderful albums and performing storming shows. Why ask for more? On a happy ending... Oh and one last thing. This ng can be really, really, really fun. Can we make it like that again please? love Richard ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1998 14:35:31 GMT From: nasust@aol.com (NasusT) Subject: Re: new list for fans of Trina Hamlin >The Hollow is a newly created list for fans of Trina Hamlin. I think >there are a few of you lurking here on nields-nook, ammf, and ecto. >If you want to subscribe, send email to hollow-request@smoe.org with >the word "subscribe" as the body of your message... Thanks Ofer. Now, if Trina would only play in THIS part of the state (the western part)..... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:57:42 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: actual frucontent On Tuesday, November 24, 1998 4:14 PM, Srm9988n@aol.com [SMTP:Srm9988n@aol.com] wrote: > Melanie joked: (I think!) You have discovered my essence: Is she joking? Is she serious? No-one's ever really sure... > Melanie, we too could be major trouble if we ever get together! :) Hm, a homicidal flamingo and a Secret Agent seeker. It could work. > I'm pondering your generous soda offer...I'll get back to you later, since the > child wants to play computer games. Bye. Those darn kids! Always messing up the computer time. Melanie :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:53:21 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Re: Other NGs was Re: with a rutabega - ---Arbie Fru wrote: As I see it, it boils down to > knowing the other people here, which engenders a feeling of community. If > you don't know somebody it's easy to blow them off. Too many new people all > at once change the group rather than join with the group. > But hey, thanks for liking us, the feeling is mutual, hope we all get to > enjoy each others company for a *long* time. > Hmmm, after re-reading I would like to state that this post was not meant > to sound pessimistic. I am in fact rather optimistic about us. That's good to hear..I've never been in any other newsgroups. I've only been part of this one for, what, three days now? Come to think of it, this is probably the first "community" I've ever belonged to, as well. I don't want to change a thing, just maybe ask a few questions down the line ("coming down the line, a V-6 Merc in blue..." who didn't see that coming?? :P). Anyway, it's spiffy to be involved in anything Fruvousy. Hoping for some replies, Monique _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:20:04 GMT From: koogle@clark.net Subject: Re: Newspaper review of Friday Noho show In article , Taylor Wray wrote: > >MHO -- she's no clone. She's got a style of her own. As much as I > >respect Ani. Too bad the reviewer didn't see it that way. > yeah, i've become a big jess fan since the massachusetts trinity. but > i've been trying to avoid the comparison's to ani. i don't want jess > to be labeled as just more bitch-rock. (which i say with all respect > and honor to bitches everywhere) You know, I think I might have appreciated her more if she'd taken the bitch-rock pose a little more seriously. My impression of Jess Klein is that she has a really good voice, and that she desperately needs a band, or at least a songwriting partner. The delivery of her songs sounded like she was singing what she thought she ought to be singing, not what she felt, or had experienced. Watching her, I got the feeling that her songwriting hasn't matured into her voice. It's a good voice, though. Very powerful. She could be somebody to watch. Just my $0.02... - --Amanda - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:11:57 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Re: [An essay... (yup, its long)] (On netiquette, trolls, Fru-cliques, protectiveness and why I bother reading this newsgroup...) For the sake of brevity I will only try to comment on a few things... but all of this was so eloquently worded... *sigh* (On netiquette... Any library is full of books that fully and beautifully express every emotion known to humanity and *they're* only expressed in text. There's a book called Captain Corelli's Mandolin I recently read and it made me laugh my head off on one page and cry my eyes out on the next; its only presented in text, it has *exactly* the same tools for expression that we all have on a ng. Less, in fact; there were no smilies in it. You can express any subtly of emotion you want in a text based forum, it just takes a little patience, thought and care with your words. If you want you can express any subtly of emotion in morse code, it just takes a little effort.) At first, I must admit I thought this might be directed negatively towards me and my little dissertation on communication... which is why I always read through things twice (and consequently never get anything done at work!). I think that with technology focused on accomplishing things quickly and with as little effort as possible, it's had quite an impact on the way we communicate. I've been told since HS that the best thing about my creative writing is that I write the way I speak, and vice versa... I tend to ramble and have had to literally train myself to be concise and to the point (military training will do that), meaning I've lost a great deal of that talent. If you (the readers) don't mind my rambling, I'm certainly willing to make the effort to strive for clarity and rather than brevity :^) (Maybe I'm just too old fashioned and too English.) Is there such a thing??? Pshaw! (Trolling is only done by terribly insecure individuals (with small penises, a history of bedwetting and no chance of sex in the next six years) to get a response. ) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... what a riot... I love it. (On a happy ending... Oh and one last thing. This ng can be really, really, really fun. Can we make it like that again please? love Richard) *sigh* I think I'm in love... Wonderful musings Richard. Thank you for sharing and adding a perspective. I would guess that many readers can relate and share your sentiments. (It made me all gushy inside, hee hee). So... see you at FrüCon? - --Angie ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #60 *******************************************