From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #58 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MF '92 tape for sale! ["KatieWow" ] Trading (was re: Ludlows) [Fru-Monique ] Re: [Yeah, they're pathetic . . .] [Angie Armstrong ] RE: actual frucontent ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ [brian tivol ] Re: Fru and Broadway [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell)] Re: Majors (was Comp Sci) [Taylor Wray ] Re: WVUD ["Steve Nagoski" ] Re: Moxy who? [Taylor Wray ] Re: Newspaper review of Friday Noho show [Taylor Wray ] Re: [Re: [Fruvous on the Brain]] [Taylor Wray ] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian N] Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) [Lynne Fisher ] RE: actual frucontent [Brenda Longstreet ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:08:26 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! sorry for the freak-out guys, but when i see "independently produced" i think boot, not Indie Tape (the first time i read, i didn't get as far as the business about the cover). again, i'm sorry--as a college student i'm expected to fight crime wherever i see it :). ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:10:39 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Trading (was re: Ludlows) Mollie, Chattykitty, et al, Yes, I do realize the morals involved with selling tapes. Mark first brought this up with me when I wanted a copy of his first tape of two Columbus shows, 10/97 and 6/98. I ended up trading blank VHS tapes for it, and it was well worth it (it's an artifact of when Dave still had hair!) For those of you who are shouting "Get on with it!" a la Monty Python, I will gladly trade a copy of 10/15's Ludlows show (which should include 10/17's Kentucky show) for such things as a dub of the Indie Tape, any possible way to transport myself and my best friend to FruCon, or other Fruthings of interest. This offer begins, however, when I get *my* copy of the Ludlows show in the mail. Methinks Mark is a procrastinator....not that there's anything wrong with that. Look how long it took me to get on the mailing list!!! :D ~Monique ::This space reserved for the perfect Fruquote:: _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:21:07 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Re: [Yeah, they're pathetic . . .] *sigh* (Hanging head in shame) I couldn't resist. I tried and tried and tried but between giggling hysterically and shaking my head in pity, I couldn't resist... and popped off an email to the interloper. Of course, my guess is that either A) he posted and slunk out of the ng, ne'er to be read again... or B) he's lurking silently waiting for an opportunity to be slammed yet again. (...woah... Monty Python moment). I'd share only the first paragraph, as I don't want to taint the ng further by encouraging this ridiculous display... but I rather liked my comment (actually, I liked the second paragraph e'en better, but anyway) " Hope you feel better about yourself, now that you've invited yourself into a fan-based newsgroup/mailing list... slammed the band, and have had everything from your common sense to your masculinity and sexual prowess put on display and thoroughly slammed in return. I for one certainly enjoyed it. " ok, that out of my system... I dare say I'm sensing a rising in tensions across the ng from a few different parties on a couple of topics-- my casual suggestion (tho not always prone to take my own advice, i'll admit) is to not read too much into anything, not be too quick to defend (or offend)... and most of all to keep in mind that it all comes down to the inadequacy of the written word. Communication is generally broken down into 3 parts: 65% Body Language, 25% Aural Inflection, and 10% word content (figures vary depending on source). Posting to a newsgroup/mailing list reduces your effective communication to that 10%... and even with the creative punctuation and smiley faces and /actions and descriptive parentheses you lose so much and don't often express what you're thinking or feeling. I've no idea _why_ I felt the need to comment on this, but as I read through some of these posts the sentiment keeps nagging in the back of my mind. Yes, I've admitted before that I'm often a hypocrite and tend to contradict myself, but I would hope that as I participate more in the ng I get a little better at not sticking my foot so far in my mouth ;^) yes, severely lacking in Frü content I know... so I'll say this. If ever I read something that initially strikes me as offensive or insulting or just mildly annoying... I try to remember that we're all here for pretty much the same reason, we're fans of a Band and sought out a forum for which to share ideas, experiences and (sometimes completely unrelated) topics that in some way involve said Band. Now get me down off this soapbox, I'm gettin' dizzy! :^) - --Angie 30. "It's hard to believe that he beat out 1,000,000 other sperm." --Actual quote from Federal employee performance evaluation ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:33:41 GMT From: drm1997@hotmail.com (Smiles) Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:30:38 -0500, "Meghan Grammer" wrote: >> Two, the lame hippy hair of that Ghomeshi guy has to go > >I hope others can agree with me when I say Jian's hair rocks my world. > >smoochies, >meghan > I have to agree wholeheartedly. Jian has very cool hair. =) I'd kill to have curls/waves like that... *sigh* Oh, to dream.... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:06:53 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: MF '92 tape for sale/defense (2... 2.... 2 threads in one!) Katie wrote: >>>don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! To which Lynne replied: >This is yet another example of my concern, not Steve, but Katie. >Am I the only one? I am not offended by the protectors of the band, just a >little worried. They are big boys, they take the time to talk to the >people who tape... In all fairness, this gives me pause, although I understand where Lynne's coming from insofar as the Frus are adults who can take care of themselves. But I perceived this as an attack on Katie, who I didn't think was being protective, but who was just trying to point out that the marketing of bootlegs for personal financial gain is unethical, unfair, and illegal, and not something fans encourage or willingly participate in. Katie apparently didn't realize that what is being sold here is not a bootleg or an illegal dub but a single used edition of the indie tape, something many of us would love to pick up for cold hard cash at a yard sale, a used-record store, or with the expense entailed in achieving 2500 FruMiles. But I don't take umbrage at her effort to remind possible newcomers, or others who don't know better, that for-profit bootlegging is just as slimy as video or software piracy. And I don't know why Lynne got upset with that. Some people really don't know that piracy's a crime, and others have to be reminded, and even let know that it's not a jaywalking statute, it' s a matter of creative rights that people here take very seriously. This is a community, and members of any community have an investment in standards. If anyone out there in ammf-land thinks piracy is a good thing...well, let's have a debate. But the only posts I've seen about it are that it's detrimental to everyone, which is the wider legal view as well...so in the absence of argument I *will* accept that view as a consensus which any of us can safely voice as a given for this ng, and for practically any recording artist. Lynne, I just posted a long "defense" piece about people judging your motives unfairly. Please consider what may be your own prejudgments as well! Not *everything* posted here is de facto overprotective of the lads. Some of it is just an acknowledgment of the rules and practical workings of a much wider society than ammf. And yes, there are people out there who try to get away with selling illegal boots and tapes, and some of them have announced their wares on ammf. Katie posted a reasonable response to a valid concern. - -- Lori, kicking away the podium and taking a deep breath ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:18:59 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: NYC Shows [Note: Lynne dropped out some of the references when she quoted people, so I put them back in to the best of my ability] ">" is Lynne ">>" is Chad Lynne Fisher wrote: > Chad Maloney wrote: > >For what reason? If you want on the guest list because you are underage, > >that most likely won't work. The guest list just gets you in without a > >ticket, you'll probably still be carded. > nope, Im way over age... I was thinking more about the typical college students > that might *JUST* be able to afford a roadtrip and overnight stay in NYC That "you" wasn't the "you" meaning Lynne Fisher, that was the "you" meaning anyone who wants to get on a guest list in order to get into a 21+ even though they are underaged. > >If it's because you can't afford the tickets, I dunno how appropriate > Hmm, the word "you" here is bothersome. If you read my original post, it was not > that i was looking for handouts, I hope you arent implying that? Again, that "you" does not mean Lynne Fisher. That "you" means the people who want on the guest list because they don't have enough money to get into the shows, but really want to see the shows anyway. > >Really, the guest list is for people who are really truly guests of > >the band. That's normally not us. > How could such a wonderful group of men, not fill up a guest list? but > they do love their fans... Who cares if they fill up their guest list or not? It isn't like those are slots that need to be filled. The guest list is for a band to use when they see fit. Tickets are for fans to use when they see fit. > Are you one of "those" people I originally posted about? Speaking for "US" but not > being a part of "US"??? What's with the anger and defensiveness? It was purely a > suggestion, for the guys to decide on/consider since someone said they do actually > tend to read this.. If you want the guys to consider something, send it to them. Contact information is on FDC. This forum is not a way to indirectly talk to Jian or Jude or anyone else who reads this group that is involved directly with Fruvous corp. This forum is for fans to discuss things they want to discuss (be it candy or novels or what they think of the new songs or what they think is gonna be on the next album). When you post something here, it is sent to a lot of people. I don't know who the "US" is you think I'm speaking for. I'm speaking for me and me alone. If that isn't obvious from me saying: Chad said: > Those are my opinions on it. Of course my opinions don't mean much. It's > not like there's a "Chad Mahoney" Guest List at shows that I get > to control... Then I guess I should have made it more clear. Please reread what you wrote, Lynne: > hmmm.. I wonder what they think of , somehow getting some of us into > those NYEve shows by way of their guest lists? You were wondering aloud. I was replying to what you wondered aloud. I was in no way implying anything about you, I was giving my opinions about what you were wondering. If you didn't want my opinions, you shouldn't have posted to the whole newsgroup. If you wanted to know what Moxy Fruvous thinks about your idea, email them. I'm sorry if some of this sounds harsh. In another post, Lynne says: > > Reason 1. Chad said: For what reason? If you want on the guest list > because you are underage, > that most likely won't work. The guest list just gets you in without a > ticket, you'll probably still be carded. > Reason 2. Chad said: If it's because you can't afford the tickets, I > dunno how appropriate > > Both situations implied *I* was motivated by possibly being underage or > that it is innappropriate for me to suggest such a thing. No, you didn't at all state why someone would want this and those were the two motivations that came to mind when I was posting and I felt, in my opinion, that neither of those reasons were valid ones for being put on the guest list. That was all my post said. It said "You didn't give me enough information. If one of these things is what you meant, then here are my responses". > I am already > going, already have the money put aside. I was thinking... ( i even signed > it -Lynne, always thinking) ..it would be a cool treat for loyal fans (more > loyal than myself-less loyal-a koala bear.. an ant), a nice publicity > gimmick. Then why didn't you say that in the first place? If that is what you meant by the first post, say it so I don't have to guess motivations behind things. The two obvious motivations I came up with seem to have not been so appealing to you, I guess. If you had pitched it as a publicity gimmick or a treat to fans, here's what my response would have been: Actually, they did that last year for NYE in Niagara Falls. As far as I know, the motivation last year was more because people were scared of travelling long distances and not being able to get in, so people with 12 stamps or more who emailed Jude were put on the guest list. People were scared because it was a free show around Buffalo where they regularly sell out. Since it was a free show, tickets weren't available before hand. Honestly, I didn't think it was really fair, but it wasn't my decision. I was very relieved that I would be guaranteed entry to the show after travelling there from Indiana. But I also think that the show was free anyway so being on the guest list didn't get around paying cover (and the show was still 21+, which excluded people). The problem with rewarding "loyal" fans is that you have to define what a loyal fan is. I know I don't want to do that at all and I know that none of the guys want to do it either. Anyways, that's my take on things... - Chad > You guys (way general term), in my opinion, are way to touchy > about the band. That's your opinion I guess. My statements about guest lists in general are not about Moxy Fruvous. I would have said the same thing in regard to any band's guest list. > Of course my powerful email isn't going to make them > forfiet their guest list. Just as Alex's wonderful post isn't going to > stop them from singing, and being the wonderful guys they are. I'm sorry > for thinking, for expressing an idea.. sheesh. Your powerful email sent to the right place may do something. It just seems that maybe alt.music.moxy-fruvous was not the right place. Lynne, if you want something to happen with the email, send it to the band, not the newsgroup. Lynne wrote: > Vika wrote: > >The fact that they (well, Jian, and only reportedly) might read this > >does not make us their close friends. > I am well aware of this, but here we go answering for them. > I don't believe I have slightly even attempted to speak on behalf of the guys. > but here's a nice example : "there is no reason they should go along with > this" Ok, how about the reason that they just might have sn opinion and > maybe think its a cool idea.. oops, I forgot the newsgroup people know > better. Lynne, when you post to the newsgroup, you are speaking to the newsgroup people! That's the way it goes. That is what the newsgroup is for! If you don't want us to respond to your posts in what we feel is a helpful way, keep reacting like you are. Hope everyone is having an enjoyable Tuesday morning. I know I'm not... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:29:19 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: actual frucontent On Monday, November 23, 1998 9:22 AM, Chad Maloney [SMTP:opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu] wrote: > They did the whole song at the July 31st, 1997 Bloomington show. That > was my first Fruvous show, so I remember it =) It wasn't on the setlist > or anything, they just got the whim and went with it, probably in much > the same way as you described it, Drea... A mere 9 days before my first show. Ah, the memories! Guess I'll just have to try to catch them in the Secret Agent mood if I want to hear it. Or else quit my job, leave my husband and daughter, and spend my life Frutripping about the Northern Hemisphere in quest of a song. Say, that doesn't sound bad... Melanie Where would you rather be? Anywhere, anywhere but here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:45:54 GMT From: Brenda Longstreet Subject: RE: actual frucontent > [SMTP:opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu] wrote: > > They did the whole song at the July 31st, 1997 > > A mere 9 days before my first show. Ah, the memories! > same here melanie!! ..falcon ridge changed my life! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 11:38:35 -0500 From: brian tivol Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ the.way@mailexcite.com (Alex Stetson) writes: > -**** Posted from Supernews, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ More's the pity. - --brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:21:45 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: Fru and Broadway On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:49 GMT, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >Ceecee delighted us with: > >>Fantastiks!, Miss Saigon, Aspects, Dames at Sea, Company, >>Once Upon A Mattress, Little Shop ....and just lots of little old >>kitchy musicals that are probably too hokey for the normal crowd! :) > >Um, Cee, did you just call *us* normal? Flattered indeed, but... > ....what ng have you been hanging out on anyway? :) > >-- Lori (who sez: Brigadoon! Camelot! Guys and Dolls! Bye > Bye Birdie! .... someone stop me!) Hate to disappoint you, Lori, but you misquoted the headers. I didnae say that. I said That Which Was Above That. Not that I think "Little Shop" is a bad choice--another of my favorites.. . cee, who was disconnected this past weekend, thanks a lot ex-roomie, and who is now slogging through some 400 posts here. . .yeesh. . . ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 1998 08:35:20 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: Majors (was Comp Sci) >Anyone else here study Comp Sci? not quite... elec. & comp engineering. other side of the fence, but more than kissin' cuzzins. :) - -t - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:36:20 -0500 From: "Steve Nagoski" Subject: Re: WVUD Wow. And I thought I was the only one who played fruvous on WVUD... of course, it was WXDR when I played them there... FruWench wrote in message <19981120195620.25410.00000480@ng59.aol.com>... >Yay! Finally!! This past Wednesday the morning DJ on WVUD, the University of >DE radio station, played YWGTTM!!!! More Fruvous >on the airwaves!! > ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 1998 08:44:25 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: Moxy who? i usually say that they're one of those rare bands wherin every member is a) a true musician b) witty and c) a great songwriter. that tend's to set the hook a little bit. of course, my friend from high school (who's now an english teacher) was hooked after i played MBLABOA. :) i even managed to bring her hubby to the Paradise show oh-so-long ago... - -t (my god... i have a friend from high school who's *married?!?! ACK!) - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 1998 08:48:18 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: Newspaper review of Friday Noho show >MHO -- she's no clone. She's got a style of her own. As much as I >respect Ani. Too bad the reviewer didn't see it that way. yeah, i've become a big jess fan since the massachusetts trinity. but i've been trying to avoid the comparison's to ani. i don't want jess to be labeled as just more bitch-rock. (which i say with all respect and honor to bitches everywhere) - -t - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 1998 08:31:26 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: A Chatty Bunch i stopped reading the BNL group more than a month ago... too many trolls. plus, *sniffle*, they're just not as cool as y'all. ;-P > is that we can discuss them without that junk. > BTW--has anyone seen that aiwa commerical where the guy is > listening to "another one bites the dust" while driving a > hearse? it's a _scream_. yeah... it's awful... in the way that will make you howl with laughter. :) - -t - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 1998 08:11:18 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: [Re: [Fruvous on the Brain]] >My friends tend to get a little annoyed at me because I have so many >lyrics packed into my brain that anything anyone says will remind me >of a song and I usually have to recite a line or I'll burst. :) (These >are also the same people who don't understand why I can go to so many >concerts....I'm just happiest with music around me.) i know what you mean... used to drive people nuts... at one point a friend of mine tried to stump me: "Hey Taylor! COW!" "i'm goin' down to cowtown..." :) - -t - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 18:43:16 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Wow. I have nothing to do today but prove you wrong. Slow day. > They're almost laughable. They were riding the trend of the funny, witty, >satiracle, goofy >accapella style of the Barenaked Ladies in the early-90's--now the Ladies >are huge megastars: >while Moxy Fruvous are nobodies: that's because they lack talent. Not quite. They have talent. I have respect for anybody who can play a guitar with two busted strings well and still sing at the same time. goofy? a capella? not necessairly. go buy wood. Or the awesome live noise. Oh, and famous people suck. If i ever become famous i don't want to be a megastar. Fruvous talks to fans after shows even to us little people. I've >watched Moxy Fruvous >try different images/musical styles from afar--and it's a lost cause. Again, buy Live Noise. The band can do anything. Really. Number one, you can start by changing their IDIOTIC name: people don't want >esoteric band-names >that people can't decipher: they want names they can grasp and identify >with. What the fuck is a >Moxy Fruvous? They're a band, genius. You can't grasp them because you suck. Two, the lame hippy hair of that Ghomeshi guy has to go--it's >an eysore, it's a >distraction, it's the frickin' 90's. He looks like he's living in the past, >more specifically %22puberty%22 What the hell is %22? Really who cares about hair? Apparntly you. Oh, well, I'll go shave my head. Actually i hate the hair too makes 'em look like a band where the members have long hair. Did that make sense? >Three, it's time to >pack your bags in Moxy. You've kicked around for so long, taking a kick at >the can several times, >to try and impress the mass-public--and you've failed each time. Plain and >simple. Moxy Fruvous >STINKS. Aside from your pathetic little fan-base--the real public, who might >happen to catch you >on some obscure Variety Show--laugh at you. Give it up. What? when did the fru try to impress the mass public? I must have missed that. If the general public is like you, who cares? You suck. They have their little fanbase: It's made of GENIUSES who like their band enough to organize stuff like frucon. you suck man. BRIAN NICHOLSON "When this poor world crumbles like a cake I'll be hanging from the hope that I never see that recipe again"- John Linnell, TMBG, It's not my birthday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:38:30 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) I want to apologize if it seems that I have taken anything too personally. I also did not mean to personally attack anyone else. If I did bother someone or hurt someones feelings, I also apologize.. but really, I wouldn't let a few words that *I* say effect your normal day to day life. I also, want you all to know, that I really do appreciate the time some of you take to clear things up. I'm thinking I need to perfect my "newsgroup" communication style. But I'm warning you all.. I have a HUGE CHIP on my shoulder about the level of defensiveness I feel here. Defending oneself (unfortunately explaining a point, which in a court of law would be technically called "the defense") or explaining ANYthing tends to put people in the defensive, me.. you.., I think I could fairly say all of us. Chad you responded to MY post, so I did interpret what you said as directed toward me. > I believe that getting on the guestlist to bypass paying ticket cost >hurts would hurt >the band. Again, that is my opinion. My understanding is that a contract is signed, within that contract the band requests a number for the guest list. Putting people on it, doesnt effect the amount the band would get paid.. the band just gets paid what they agreed on, if the bottom line doesnt break even, thats it too, the band still gets what was negotiated in the contract. Just a point of info. I respect your opinion and your right to continue to express it, and since the second post I also understand it way better. Not sure that I agree with it, but that's not part of the rulebook, right? :) PS. From my private mail I thought it would make you smile to know, you have a lot of people out there who think you are a wonderful person AJ, youre so damn calm and level-headed.... it's cool. Lori, hmm, Im really looking forward to meeting you. I think you actually understand what my concern is... >But what's *not* cool is to personalize the debate by questioning Lynne's >hidden agenda, when she's already stated that she has none, and to >assume that because *we'd* give the proposal that snowball's chance, >and because *we'd* feel put upon by the mere idea IF WE WERE THE >BAND, then it's okay for *us* to impugn Lynne's motives and protect the >FruLads from her and her wild ideas. (thing is... no one is really protecting them.. ) none of you have guns do you??? >This is MUSIC, folks. It's supposed to be FUN. Not ego. At least >not for us. (And, imvho, I haven't seen nearly this much ego up on stage...) *hi5* I know Im impressed with the guys cuz they are SO down to earth, and they don't act as if they are better or untouchable. In my opinion, i get the sense that there are quite a few people who do on this ng, and who identify very strongly with their relationship w/ the band, and also project that onto others. I didn't know it was a competition of -who knows more - -who talks to them more -who speaks for them more - who likes them best.. It's just frustrating. that's it, and now that I have apologized and expressed and thanked... I am truly giving up the unbeatable battle. Lynne, reshowing herself the bell curve.. some people will agree, some will disagree and there that whole mess in between. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:30:57 GMT From: Brenda Longstreet Subject: RE: actual frucontent - ---Brenda Longstreet wrote: > > > > > [SMTP:opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu] wrote: > > > They did the whole song at the July 31st, 1997 > > > > A mere 9 days before my first show. Ah, the memories! > > > same here melanie!! ..falcon ridge changed my life! > > ignore me. wrong way. so i cant count. i do know.... 7 DAYS TILL THE *NEXT* SHOW _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #58 *******************************************