From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #57 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Smarties [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Spammers are pathetic. [Dagonet ] Re: the newer FruSongs [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [Lynne Fisher ] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) [gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew)] more mf .mp3's available [mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry)] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry)] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry)] Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) ["A.J. LoCicero" ] ~~~~post~~~~ ["Bell-occhio" ] Jian's gorgeous locks (was: a load o' shit called ~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC.. [Srm9988] ...FruCon countdown... [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [Chad Maloney ] Re: PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO ASSHOLE POSTS (was MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC...) [nafio@my-dejanew] Re: NYC Shows [Chad Maloney ] Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) [Srm9988n@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Nov 1998 05:25:23 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Smarties >Caramel in Kit-Kat? Gimme a break... > >Josh Drury >Winnipeg Break me off a piece of that Canadian Kit Kat Bar! ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:15:36 -0500 From: Dagonet Subject: Spammers are pathetic. A word of advice: ignore trollboy. My other fave artist being Alan Parsons, I've gotten my share of stoned Roger Waters worshippers who want to tell us how much Alan sucks and Pink Floyd rules. You can change the name, but the poster's still an ass. D. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 05:23:37 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: the newer FruSongs >Cast off those >chains of song gender stereotyping! Are you with me men? >Men? >Hello? > > *sigh* I love those sweet songs. *ladywench looks around for someone to snuggle with during IWHO, Lee, Sad Girl, Horseshoes, etc. but can't seem to find the men . . .* ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:20:49 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! This is yet another example of my concern, not Steve, but Katie. Am I the only one? I am not offended by the protectors of the band, just a little worried. They are big boys, they take the time to talk to the people who tape, I've witnessed this. The people who tape are loyal too and super appreciative of the band... *sigh* I'll take my own advice and just let it go... - -Lynne >In article <73d5kp$te$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, "KatieWow" wrote: >>don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! > >Um, Katie, this is not a bootleg, this is something he legitimately owns >(unless he stole it from someone, or it's a fake, which we won't get into >here). His description of the packaging makes that clear. If you bought two >copies of "b", it's legitimate for you to sell one of them. (Heck, if you got >tired of "b", you could sell your one copy). Please don't sell concert tapes >that you recorded with the acquiescence of the band on the tacit understanding >that the taping is non-commercial; but the tape he's looking to sell has been >in the stream of commerce, placed there by its originators. It's perfectly >legitimate to sell it. > >Now, don't you want to bid? This is a hot item! :D > >Regards, >Steve "Three years of Law School twenty-plus years ago and he thinks he knows >something" ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 05:40:29 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! Thanks, but I would rather put my bid in with Tobey. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 05:35:02 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) When I was at the University of New Mexico, I had people asking me what currency Delaware used. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 06:25:39 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew) Subject: Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) > it's american. but i'd assume the higest point >in canada to be in the yukon or in the northwest territory. I believe the highest point in Canada is Mt Logan in the Yukon. Feanole ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 06:10:32 GMT From: mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry) Subject: more mf .mp3's available Hey all- I finally got a bit motivated & converted some more goodies. Have fun! http://www.cowshead.com/mkiniry mike '...rally 'round the früvous flag...' ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 06:08:44 GMT From: mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry) Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! In article <73d5kp$te$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, kleahy@loyola.edu says... > >don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! > >~~kate > > Hey- Mike here. Download the Indie Tape at http://www.cowshead.com/mkiniry... free...pass it to others... bye '...rally 'round the früvous flag...' ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 06:06:28 GMT From: mkiniry@cowshead.com (Mike Kiniry) Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! In article <365A0060.CF1695CD@rogers.wave.ca>, stevelev@rogers.wave.ca says... > > Hi Fru-fans, I'm auctioning off my '92 "independently produced" tape >at eBay. If anyone's interested, here's the location: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44015030 > > If you compare the scanned image of my tape with the image at >fruvous.com's discography, you'll notice that my tape has no "car" on >the insert's flap. Does this have anything to do with the fact that >first 1,000 tapes were released, than another 50,000... I wonder... > Well, no offense intended, if anyone's looking for this tape than >I've done him/her a favour, if not then sorry for taking up your time! Hey- Point your browsers to http://www.cowshead.com/mkiniry for my latest batch of mp3's...the first 6 of which are this Indie Tape. mike '...rally 'round the früvous flag...' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:11:58 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) Alright, peace peoples. Lets be careful not to be reactive. Visualize the Basket... Lynne Fisher wrote: > > Reason 1. Chad said: For what reason? If you want on the guest list > because you are underage, > that most likely won't work. The guest list just gets you in without a > ticket, you'll probably still be carded. > Reason 2. Chad said: If it's because you can't afford the tickets, I > dunno how appropriate > Both situations implied *I* was motivated by possibly being underage or > that it is innappropriate for me to suggest such a thing. Ok Chad didn't understand your motivations. You wrote a disclaimer about not being interested for yourself, and he didn't pick up on that. Hey nobody's perfect. Chad is making an argument for why he thinks your idea is not a good one. (True it is not an argument that really applies to you, but that is his lookout. He was ot trying to be rude in any way. Lynne, I think part of what is going on here is that many of us have met Chad and understand that he's just responding to your premise. You haven't met him yet, so it is understandably harder for you to read him from just his words. I know your initial experience her may have made you a bit wary, but you have to trust us that we are nice people and though we may argue we are not trying to be mean-spirited. > I was thinking... ( i even signed > it -Lynne, always thinking) ..it would be a cool treat for loyal fans (more > loyal than myself-less loyal-a koala bear.. an ant), a nice publicity > gimmick. You guys (way general term), in my opinion, are way to touchy > about the band. Of course my powerful email isn't going to make them > forfiet their guest list. Just as Alex's wonderful post isn't going to > stop them from singing, and being the wonderful guys they are. I'm sorry > for thinking, for expressing an idea.. sheesh. > Personally.. I'll be there, with or without a guest list, I think they are > worth every penny. Some people are a bit touchy about crossing the line with the band, just as they are touchy about people selling bootlegs. I believe this is because the band has done a number of unprecedented favors for the fan community and many people here want very very deeply to be worthy of such trust and respect by the band. Therefore they jump on anything that even seems a bit out of line. Sometimes someone does go a too far in this regard, but you can understand the impulse. > >The fact that they (well, Jian, and only reportedly) might read this > >does not make us their close friends. > I am well aware of this, but here we go answering for them. > I don't believe I have slightly even attempted to speak on behalf of the guys. > but here's a nice example : "there is no reason they should go along with > this" Ok, how about the reason that they just might have sn opinion and > maybe think its a cool idea.. oops, I forgot the newsgroup people know > better. Alright, now Lynne has a point here. It isn't up to any of us really to reply to her idea in the name of the band. Nobody means to do that anyway, I know, but obviously it sounds like it to Lynne, and I agree that sometimes some people here can sound that way. What we can and should do is give our own opinions, but we should maybe be careful (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone) to say "I think" or "I suspect" or IMHO. Lynne you are right, we don't know how the band members feel about your suggestion, but many of us suspect (based on repeated observation) that they would not think yours is the greatest idea. I will admit that I fall into that crowd, in this case, but you are right. There is nothing wrong with putting an idea out there for discussion, and that is clearly what you did. Just don't be offended if everyone disagrees. That is the risk you run when you say something controversial. > >Lynne, I think Chad is right -- > >there is no reason they should go along with this, and it does come > >across as "fans assuming too much status with The Band". > for who? me? *rolls her eyes* I don't know them! I don't know them, they > are not my friends, they have a great number of characteristics of people I > call friends, but I don't know them from, well, any of you... I do not know > them Sam I am *giggle* (sorry, I am serious here..but well.. *shrug*) What Vika was saying there I think, is 1. Why should the band want to give away free admissions? (A valid question, for which you have an answer, although whether it is an effective answer is something for everyone to decide for themselves.) and 2. that she feels that offering advice on how the band should use it's guest list is akin to offering investment ideas to the person sitting next to you in a restaurant. It is out kind of out line. That comes from the fact that you directed your post at the band (i.e.. giving them advice) instead of just saying something like "wouldn't it be cool if they held a raffle to give away free admissions?" If you'd phrased it like that then people would have responded to the idea with a Cool! or a Yuck! instead of responding to a sense that you were offering free advice where it was not appropriate. (These group dynamics can be subtle sometimes. It's more work than it looks!) :) > >Neither he, nor anyone else who posts here, is out to offend > >you. Please try to keep that in mind. > Why? It doesn't really make a difference if anyone tries to offend me? > Does it? go figure. Sure it does. That would make them an asshole. Vika's point is that Chad is not an asshole (you're welcome Chad) and that his purpose was not to attack you but merely to argue. > > -Lynne, wondering exactly what I say that seems to make some of you sooo > uncomfortable > (and others of you thank me behind the scenes for the courage I have to say > stuff) Lynne it is good that you are speaking up and stating your opinions, but at the same time, you need to be a bit less defensive (here I am the king of "defensive" giving out free advice!) Whey you put a thought out there someone else may look at your idea and go YUCK! That has to be ok if you are going to talk about your ideas. You simply need to have a thicker skin or you are going to get hurt way too often. Anyway that is what I think. A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:14:26 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: ~~~~post~~~~ *tsk* See what you get for wanting on topic posts? I certainly hope you're all happy now and we can get back to the real topic of this newsgroup, muppets and candy. (But not together of course, can you imagine the mess?) Lace (me? *I'm* not responding to him...) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ nthrbns;^D@netpluscom.com ICQ 218859 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:18:40 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Jian's gorgeous locks (was: a load o' shit called ~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC.. Katie entertained us with: >... it's pretty obvious he doesn't get laid >enough. ...he's probably sick of his unsatisfied girlfriend urging him to >grow his hair long... or maybe she accidentally shouted out jian's name... this is (another thing) I love about Fruheads. They're so much more hysterically funny and on-the-ball than their flame-happy opponents. I hate to encourage flame wars, but ....ROTFL! And hey...maybe shouting out Ji's name wasn't an accident . - --Lori, who would flaunt it too if she had a certain someone's curls.... ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:42:01 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: ...FruCon countdown... chad had some questions: >> standing atop Dufferin Terrace, watching canoe races on the >> St. Lawrence. >Is this one of those crazy people, er, Polar Bear Club, events? Kinda. except you're dressed in goretex and fleece and thermals, not nekkid. 'Cause nekkid means frostbite within a minute. the people on the river are the crazy people :) >> Once you've done this, you'll never gripe about a bitter >> mid-Atlantic "cold snap" of 20 F again :) >I don't think so. Don't think you'll do it, or don't think you'll gripe? :) >Is it Toronto or Montreal that has all of the stuff underground? Montreal. Though T.O. has a fair amount of indoor and connected stuff. It's really not that cold! (T.O. I mean, not Dufferin Terrace at -34. That *is* that cold. brrrr. ) - -- Lori ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:02:50 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! Mike Kiniry wrote: > Hey- > > Point your browsers to http://www.cowshead.com/mkiniry for my latest > batch of mp3's...the first 6 of which are this Indie Tape. Note also that a sealed Indie Tape is the prize for 25 stamps from shows, or many people are gladly willing to spin dubs of the Indie tape for people if you just want to hear it. The main "special" thing about it is that it has full Green Eggs & Ham on it (well other than the fact that the Frulads sound so young in it =) It is also fun to scrounge around record stores in Canada looking for it and once you get it, you aren't gonna do that so much... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:13 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO ASSHOLE POSTS (was MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC...) AJ wrote: > Ok guys, hang on. I KNOW it is tempting. (People like Alex make such easy > targets!) But please don't do it. Awwwww, but AJ it's fun! And it keeps us on topic. *giggle* Fiona (I do see your point) - -- "I'm SO a Dave's people if it weren't for Mike..." - -Marie-Claude Nov 16/98 - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:52:13 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: NYC Shows Okay, I wrote 3 medium length posts about all this. This is the first. Let me break down what I said and give all my motivations behind it. ">" is Me, Chad. ">>" is Lynne Fisher. Chad Maloney wrote: > > Lynne Fisher wrote: > > hmmm.. I wonder what they think of , somehow getting some of us into > > those NYEve shows by way of their guest lists? This is not a selfish act, > > mind you (ie I am not asking for myself personally, although if it were > > offered Id jump farther than..... ), I'm not sure if it's pushy or anything > > either, but it isnt my intention. It is just an idea, having no clue > > whatsover if they fill their guest list to begin with. > For what reason? The first thing I notice about what Lynne wrote is that she at no place gave any reason why she was proposing that some people (not herself, but if it would work out, she'd definitely take it) be on the guest list. This made no sense to me, because I had no basis for a meaningul response without knowing motivations. So, I asked back "For what reason?" So, I added my own motivations based on what I knew and didn't like about the NYC shows. If these weren't the motivations behind Lynne's post, then the basis of my entire post was wrong. > If you want on the guest list because you are underage, > that most likely won't work. The guest list just gets you in without a > ticket, you'll probably still be carded. So, I set my first premise. If this is the motivation behind your question then here is my answer. Firstly, they are at a 21+ club meaning fans under 21 are gonna be excluded. I know the Bottom Line is decent about it and will allow minors in with parents and I also know that the first show on NYE is all ages. Then I pointed out that if this were the motivation, I don't think getting on a guest list would help. > If it's because you can't afford the tickets, I dunno how appropriate > that is. Maybe it would be better to select one or two of the shows > and go to them and support the band with your ticket money as much > as you can (and support Dan Bern too, because he is great). Then my second premise. My second motivation was money. I know the NYC shows are durned expensive compared to most shows and I know that if most Fruheads take the time to get to NYC from where ever they live, they want to see all the shows within a reasonable distance. Then I pointed out that if this were the motivation, I didn't think the guest list was appropriate. That's my opinion. I didn't think Lynne asking the question was inappropriate, I believe that getting on the guestlist to bypass paying ticket cost hurts would hurt the band. Again, that is my opinion. > Really, the guest list is for people who are really truly guests of > the band. That's normally not us. That's my definition of what I think the guest list is. It was supposed to give some context of where I am coming from for my opinions. > Those are my opinions on it. Of course my opinions don't mean much. It's > not like there's a "Chad Mahoney" Guest List at shows that I get > to control... And this is me covering my butt because I'm posting to a newsgroug with a whole lot of people and each person on the newsgroup has their own opinions that don't have to be the same as mine. I also know that many people on the newsgroup blow up when they read things for no apparent reason. So, I pointed out that the whole post was my opinion on the thing. Then I added a joke so people wouldn't hate me. There's my own reading between the lines of my own post. Take it as you will... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:06:18 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: defense: (was: NYC Shows) People, people. Let's all calm down before we start cussin' at each other again :) Lynne Fisher made a proposal. That's all. And she tossed it out there, to the band more than to us. Now, maybe she should have sent it to moxy@passport.ca instead of ammf, if she wanted the band's opinion and not ours. Newbie mistake, that's all. Like we all haven't made 'em? And maybe some of us think that proposal has a snowball's chance in hell. That's cool too. That can be stated -- this is a discussion, after all, of thoughts, not just big hair and truffles. But what's *not* cool is to personalize the debate by questioning Lynne's hidden agenda, when she's already stated that she has none, and to assume that because *we'd* give the proposal that snowball's chance, and because *we'd* feel put upon by the mere idea IF WE WERE THE BAND, then it's okay for *us* to impugn Lynne's motives and protect the FruLads from her and her wild ideas. I don't think this has been intentional on anyone's parts. And maybe Lynne's taking it too personally, I don't know. I don't think anything's been said that's truly offensive, though, as she said, some responses seem way touchy. BUT: Do the veterans on this newsgroup, who, yes, do know a hell of a lot more about all things Fruvous than some of the newbies, REALLY want to be viewed as the FruNazis? The FruThought Police? Because by questioning people's motives, loyalty, or authentic Frufan-ness every time they make a proposal or ask a simple question about something they didn't realize that, my god, the band decided YEARS AGO (okay, that's personal content :) )-- then that is the image that is projected. It puts the simplest "do you *know*/what do you *think*?" query into an arena of highly charged, very subjective individual *feelings* about respecting Fruvous, about how we interpret what they've said into what they *might* want/think/feel, how we treasure them and don't want to do anything to hurt them or damage the relationship they share with us their fans, etc etc etc etc........... That's a huge turnoff to newcomers who perhaps haven't built that kind of emotional attachment. Met with this kind of response to a simple question, they not only feel waaaay out of the loop for being silly enough not to have memorized the content of FDC and many many pieces of verbal FruLore, but unworthy of being in the loop, because they're just not that passionate yet. And I'd think that's far more damaging to the Frufan base than inside jokes, outside flames, or general silliness and off-topic musings. I'm kinda in-between here -- I'm not a newbie anymore, so I feel like I'm sorta in "the club", but I've not got the years-long background and seventy concerts behind me that some people have either. And I do find myself wondering occasionally, after I or someone else makes a point or asks a question I considered innocuous, only to be hopped on and have some dogmatic counterpoint argued far more vehemently than the original statement/query seemed to merit: Is there really supposed to be a *party line* that has to be toed here? Because I thought this was ammf@fruvous.com, not the far-right, anti- intellectual wing of the Republican Party. (no offense intended to *thinking* Republicans out there!) Questions and even criticisms are NOT disloyal, whatever that means. How can you truly be loyal to an idea, a person, or a band if you don't think they can stand up against even the slightest dissent or novelty -- or protect themselves? It is my humble opinion (which may be mistaken but given the little I know of the lads I sincerely doubt it) that they don't think less of anyone who just disagrees -- or even asks questions, or poses new and different viewpoints, or makes suggestions that may or may not be off the wall. So what makes some of their most dedicated fans seemingly so poisonous righteous? I really don't like it when anyone feels like they have to say: >I'm sorry for thinking, for expressing an idea.. sheesh in order to stay in good graces. I'd like more inquisitiveness, more inventiveness, and by god more wacky ideas, not less. > Ok, how about the reason that they just might have an opinion and > maybe think its a cool idea..oops, I forgot the newsgroup people know better. Do we on the ng really want to seem that arrogant and ungenerous? Because, sometimes, we do. And that's not being fans, imho. Take a deep breath, everyone. And train your fingers to make these keystrokes *whenever* you find yourself thinking about what the band MIGHT want: and try to *feel* the part of that in particular, and realize that is what the other person, whom you're about to tear to shreds, most likely was trying to express when he or she posted his or her suggestion, question, or *gasp* criticism. > a little aggrevated by the tediousness.... - -Lynne, wondering exactly >what I say that seems to make some of you sooo uncomfortable Good question. What is there, in any question about any band of which none of us are members, that elicits fan responses on such a defensive level? This is MUSIC, folks. It's supposed to be FUN. Not ego. At least not for us. (And, imvho, I haven't seen nearly this much ego up on stage...) - --Lori (I'm a mom. does it show?) ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels > ------------------------------ > > End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #56 > ******************************************* > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) > by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:17:35 1900 > Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) > by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id AAA08169; > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:17:34 -0500 (EST) > Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) > by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08925; > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:16:45 -0500 (EST) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA03135; > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:15:43 -0500 (EST) > Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:15:40 -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id AAA03101 > for ammf-digest-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:15:08 -0500 (EST) > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:15:08 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <199811240515.AAA03101@smoe.org> > From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) > To: ammf-digest@smoe.org > Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #56 > Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com > Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org > Precedence: bulk > > ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #57 *******************************************