From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #55 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, November 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ ["Meghan Grammer" ] Re: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ [Pooh8909@aol.com] Re: NYC Shows ["Bridget" ] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ ["KatieWow" ] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystem] Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) [Chad Schrock ] Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure)] Re: Fruvous Egegesis - Sahara [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ ["Jack S. Porcello" ] Re: MF '92 tape for sale! ["KatieWow" ] PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO ASSHOLE POSTS (was MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC...) ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Help put "Live Noise" on top! [Chad Schrock ] Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ ["Bridget" Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ > Two, the lame hippy hair of that Ghomeshi guy has to go I hope others can agree with me when I say Jian's hair rocks my world. smoochies, meghan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:52:03 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole Carlson) Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Is this the same guy who posted last time? Chad, you wanna repost your brilliantly witty answer? And isn't it curious how much research our guest did before starting his diatribe? He not only correctly spelled Jian's last name, he also knew which one of the four he was and what his hairstyle looks like. - --nicole twn *sigh* There's jerks everywhere, I guess. - -- "Circumstances eat themselves. The present tense has been."--Moxy Fruvous Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:38:15 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole Carlson) Subject: Re: NYC Shows On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:02:08 GMT, the sky opened up and Lynne Fisher spake thusly: >hmmm.. I wonder what they think of , somehow getting some of us into >those NYEve shows by way of their guest lists? This is not a selfish act, >mind you (ie I am not asking for myself personally, although if it were >offered Id jump farther than..... ) Guest lists, as I've always understood them, are for personal friends of the band. (and roadies and such, but let's not complicate matters.) Our Heroes *have* personal friends. Except in rare cases, they ain't us. :) Save your pennies, I guess... and my sympathies. Ticket prices have been climbing recently. I shelled out $25 for TMBG a couple months back. - --nicole twn - -- "Circumstances eat themselves. The present tense has been."--Moxy Fruvous Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:32:32 -0700 From: "Bridget" Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ ok, so i can't believe i am actually responding to this rubbish, either, but................. presenting the top 10 reasons bridget'll take this 'pathetic' band over 'mega-stars' ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!! 10) pathetic moxy? sign autographs after their shows. mega-stars? hmmmmm, i don't know, i've never been able to SEE them after their shows. 9) pathetic moxy? i saw 3 shows in colorado for a grand total of $35. mega-stars? one show, $30. oh, and that's the nose-bleed seats of course. 8) pathetic moxy? have (and UTILIZE, no less) more instruments than a grade 6 music class. mega-stars? A guitar. A bass. A drum set. and if we're lucky, a keyboard. 7) pathetic moxy? actually, hmmmmmm, identify with their audience, through on-stage bantering & story-telling. mega-stars? let's play the songs and get the heck outta here. 6) pathetic moxy? mix up the setlists for their fans. i saw 3 completely different shows in 3 days. mega-stars? one setlist goes a heckuva looooooong way....... 5) pathetic moxy? ok, they can't be 'categorized' in today's music industry. i'll be damned if that's not the coolest thing about them. 4) pathetic moxy? i LIKE lame hippy hair, gosh darn it!! and, oh yeah, 'that Ghomeshi guy' just happens to be one of the nicest people i've ever met. and we're focusing on his hair because..........?? 3) pathetic moxy? sing and play with more heartfelt passion and joy than any mega-star i've ever seen. these are guys who LOVE what they do. 2) pathetic moxy? pathetic fan-base? this guy doesn't know ANY of us very well, does he? (all right, i admit it, that's a lame top tenner, but i'm having a hard time thinking and laughing hysterically at alex at the same time.......) 1) pathetic moxy? Jian gave us a cookie in Carbondale......... i've NEVER gotten a cookie from a mega-star....... well, i've already wasted FAR too much time on this garbage......... over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget (o: 'He who laughs last didn't get it..........' http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/b/n/bnl_gordon@msn.com.html Alex Stetson wrote in message <5qm62.79$ri1.212481@WReNphoon2>... : They're almost laughable. They were riding the trend of the funny, witty, :satiracle, goofy :accapella style of the Barenaked Ladies in the early-90's--now the Ladies :are huge megastars: :while Moxy Fruvous are nobodies: that's because they lack talent. I've :watched Moxy Fruvous :try different images/musical styles from afar--and it's a lost cause. :They'll never get anywhere. :Number one, you can start by changing their IDIOTIC name: people don't want :esoteric band-names :that people can't decipher: they want names they can grasp and identify :with. What the fuck is a :Moxy Fruvous? Two, the lame hippy hair of that Ghomeshi guy has to go--it's :an eysore, it's a :distraction, it's the frickin' 90's. He looks like he's living in the past, :more specifically %22puberty%22 :when growing your hair long was considered cool. He basically looks stupid. :Three, it's time to :pack your bags in Moxy. You've kicked around for so long, taking a kick at :the can several times, :to try and impress the mass-public--and you've failed each time. Plain and :simple. Moxy Fruvous :STINKS. Aside from your pathetic little fan-base--the real public, who might :happen to catch you :on some obscure Variety Show--laugh at you. Give it up. : : : : -**** Posted from Supernews, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- :http://www.supernews.com/ - Host to the the World's Discussions & Usenet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:23:50 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:28:46 GMT From: Pooh8909@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Meghan wrote: <<> Two, the lame hippy hair of that Ghomeshi guy has to go >>I hope others can agree with me when I say Jian's hair rocks my world. Yeah, even though it makes me mad when guys have better hair than me. :o) But, yes, his hair rocks my world as well. - ---Jamie :o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:20:10 -0700 From: "Bridget" Subject: Re: NYC Shows caroline wrote in message <3.0.1.32.19981123133816.006a3e10@mail.smith.edu>... :ten days 'till Clinton! : :~Caroline hey thanks for keeping that clinton countdown alive, caroline!! and only 8 days 'til ithaca!! over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget (o: (fruvin' in denver) 'He who laughs last didn't get it..........' http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/b/n/bnl_gordon@msn.com.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:08:49 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ i feel really bad for this guy. it's pretty obvious he doesn't get laid enough. either that or he's balding. it's got to be one or the other because taking pot shots at some of the most beautiful hair in the world makes him reek of jealousy. i think he's probably sick of his unsatisfied girlfriend urging him to grow his hair long . . . or maybe she accidentally shouted out jian's name . . . whatever. regardless, i'd like to thank alex for illustrating the horrible effects of sexual repression and jealousy. this has been a most informative study :). ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:59:56 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: NYC Shows Chad (??) wrote: >>Really, the guest list is for people who are really truly guests of >>the band. That's normally not us. Lynne responded: >Are you one of "those" people I originally posted about? Speaking for >"US" but not being a part of "US"??? What's with the anger and >defensiveness? It was purely a suggestion, for the guys to decide >on/consider since someone said they do actually tend to read this.. The fact that they (well, Jian, and only reportedly) might read this does not make us their close friends. Lynne, I think Chad is right -- there is no reason they should go along with this, and it does come across as "fans assuming too much status with The Band". As to anger and defensiveness. Lynne, I did read Chad's (I really hope I'm attributing correctly here... don't remember if it was actually him) post. It was polite, as his posts always are, and came across to me as just the voice of a person trying to take part in a discussion, answering a question you posed with a substantiated opinion. Neither he, nor anyone else who posts here, is out to offend you. Please try to keep that in mind. Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net Vika_Zafrin@Brown.edu "Lover holds you when others go, covers you with another soul, stands behind you when you stand alone and you don't explain..." -Patty Larkin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:21:58 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Yeah, they're pathetic . . . guys, i have to admit it--alex has made me see the light. i've been so foolish and misguided these past three years . . . who knew it would take this brilliant man with a crappy news server who exhibits the adverse side-effects of brain surgery to show me the error of my ways? so i'm taking down all of my pictures of the guys in funny hats, destroying my mix tapes, cancelling my plans to see them on new year's, burning my "i love candian boys" t-shirt. thank god i can still keep my barenaked ladies CDs; the humiliation may have been too great had i been forced to forsake those. yes alex, you have shown me that früvous has been leading me down the primrose path to nowheresville. tomorrow i'm changing my major from music to Stetsonical science--i couldn't show my face in the department again now knowing how i've disgraced the auditory world by playing "king of spain" on repeat. thank god you came along--i may actually have had to meet these four detriments to the human race, been subjected to their foul odor, been mentally mauled by their niceties, and been intellectually ravaged by their gross lack of talent. in short--THANK GOD FOR ALEX STETSON. in fact, i think i'll sue jian for making fun of me at the baltimore show . . . and i can probably also get him for sexual harassment . . . he did comment on a picture of a naked woman . . . wait . . . i could bring down the slew of them for corruption of the youth!!! isn't that what they got socrates for?!?!?!? one thing at a time. first i have to put an end to the following they seem to be amassing. it's ridiculous--for the first time ever, i've seen parents and children at the same shows . . . kids _wanting_ to share their music with their parents . . . there's something that's just not natural about that. so band together everyone! with alex stetson as our leader, we can put an end to this candian conspiracy! who's with me!!! no one? oh well. guess i'll keep my stuff. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 02:46:25 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Who farted? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:58:57 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) KatieWow wrote: > > yeah. i wrote highest and meant lowest-highest. i'm a dork. > > mt. mckinley is in alaska. it's american. but i'd assume > the higest point in canada to be in the yukon or in the > northwest territory. Or Vancouver, depending on how much you believe the on-stage banter. :) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 02:46:20 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Favourite Candies (was Smarties) In article <19981123172858.20077.00002193@ng94.aol.com>, jianbabe@aol.com wrote: >Yeah, I agree! See, to hazard the guess that DE had the lowest highest >point, >Jian had to know it was a state. Which is more than I can say about some >Americans I have encountered. > NEWS FLASH: AMERICA'S HS STUDENTS BELIEVE DELAWARE A FISH In a newly released poll the Osbon Organization, an independent pollster, reported.... ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 03:01:45 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! While I don't condone the selling of "bootleg" recordings, since this effectively an out-of-print album and an official release of the band's, I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't be able to profit from it. jordan KatieWow (kleahy@loyola.edu) wrote: : don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! : : ~~kate : : - -- "I'm just very selective about what I accept as reality." -Calvin ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 02:46:23 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Fruvous Egegesis - Sahara In article <3659788A.7CAC@cc.umanitoba.ca>, Josh wrote: <> It's a sequence of letters that has a meaning that no speaker of English could fail to understand. There's a pretty liberal license to manufacture words by adding "un" to an adjective when it doesn't result in an absolute barbarity. When wondering whether a coinage (leaving aside whether "unobvious" is a coinage until later) is, or ought to be legitimate, the most important consideration to me is whether there is already a word that equally economically, accurately, and mellifluously says what you mean to say. I've seen "non-obvious" and "nonobvious" in print, and consider them unmusical. Of course, there's "not obvious". But in the sentence I used it in, there's a shade of difference in my mind between "May not be obvious" and "may be unobvious". "Unobvious" shades toward intentional obscurity, while "not obvious" is neutral on intent. It's a minor point, but, hey, that's language. One can to look to authority to discover the wordliness (now, is *that* a word?) of the alleged word. The OED has "unobvious" as "frequently used by Boyle and Jer. Bentham". Citations run from the seventeenth through the nineteenth centuries (I only have the first edition), and includes The Spectator as well as the messrs B. If "nonobvious" has citations in the OED, they are in the second edition. For myself, I kind of like the sound of "unobvious". And I like the subtle distinction between it and "not obvious". Perhaps I have oreilles d'etain. You're quite right about the temperature extremes in the desert of course. When I spake of "your Celsius scale" I should have spelled it "yer", as in "Ya got yer Celsius scale and ya got yer Fahremajigger scale". Wasn't trying to promote an intra-continental rivalry over arbitrary temperature conventions. (Plus: "screamin' forty-five degrees" is an allusion). Regards, Steve "taking off my tasselled cap -- now I've explained a part of my post in a post that may be unshorter than the post I was explaining." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:16:17 GMT From: "Jack S. Porcello" Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ > Aside from your pathetic little fan-base--the real public, >who might >happen to catch you >on some obscure Variety Show--laugh at you. Now, wouldn't laughing at an act that is mostly meant to be humourous be a sign of a successful act? Hmmmm . . . Who is it here that has the sig that says "He who laughs last didn't get it" anyway? Peace, Jack ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1998 03:06:14 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! In article <73d5kp$te$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, "KatieWow" wrote: >don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! > Um, Katie, this is not a bootleg, this is something he legitimately owns (unless he stole it from someone, or it's a fake, which we won't get into here). His description of the packaging makes that clear. If you bought two copies of "b", it's legitimate for you to sell one of them. (Heck, if you got tired of "b", you could sell your one copy). Please don't sell concert tapes that you recorded with the acquiescence of the band on the tacit understanding that the taping is non-commercial; but the tape he's looking to sell has been in the stream of commerce, placed there by its originators. It's perfectly legitimate to sell it. Now, don't you want to bid? This is a hot item! :D Regards, Steve "Three years of Law School twenty-plus years ago and he thinks he knows something" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:30:57 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: ...FruCon countdown... Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > chad says, > > >> No. Canada in February. (much like Canada in July, but colder :) ) > >oh. I thought everyone in Canada went to Miami? > Nope. Canadians in Canada go to Miami. Americans in Canada go > to Quebec City. :D Oh. I've never been to Canada, so I didn't know about the Quebec City thing. However, I have sat on I-95 in December, totally surrounded by Quebecois. (This was in Georgia, with about 4 inches of snow/ice on the road. We watched with some interest at the state's fleet of snow plows going up northbound 95. All six of the trucks.) Oh, they had a white Christmas in Miami that year. In DC, the high for Christmas day was about 5F. (The rest of December, i don't think it got out of the 20s.) > (-34. F or C, it doesn't make much difference. Especially > standing atop Dufferin Terrace, watching canoe races on the > St. Lawrence. Is this one of those crazy people, er, Polar Bear Club, events? > Once you've done this, you'll never gripe about a bitter > mid-Atlantic "cold snap" of 20 F again :) I don't think so. > Or the normal February temperatures in balmy T.O., for > that matter.) Is it Toronto or Montreal that has all of the stuff underground? - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:37:53 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! sorry. i see e-bay and cringe. too many freaks trying to auction off BNL boots will harden you :). ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:40:05 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO ASSHOLE POSTS (was MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC...) Among several, Bridget wrote: > > ok, so i can't believe i am actually responding to this rubbish, either, > but................. Ok guys, hang on. I KNOW it is tempting. (People like Alex make such easy targets!) But please don't do it. If we start giving those guys the rise they seek from posting that kind of bullshit they are just gonna come in here and do it more, and soon the NG will be full of stupid flame wars about nothing instead of insightful fascinating discussions about nothing. We don't want that do we? Geez there is enough traffic here already without inviting lots of "Moxy Sucks" posts. Guy's like Alex are looking for a fight. If we don't give it to them they'll go away eventually. It is the only way to really win. So once again I say everyone, PLEASE, DO NOT RESPOND TO INSULT POSTS. Thanks! A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:53:44 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: MF '92 tape for sale! KatieWow wrote: > > don't do it!!! don't let this guy make money off of the früvs!!! Katie, I was appalled at the post at first too, until I reread it and realized that by "independently produced" he doesn't mean it is a copy, he means it is the Indie cassette. (He obviously doesn't hang out here and doesn't know our lingo). If I am right and what he is auctioning is a true original copy of the indie cassette, then he is perfectly within his rights to sell it for whatever he can get. It is wrong to sell someone else's intellectual property, but if you own a legitimate copy of a work it is totally cool to sell that legitimate copy. You paid for it, it is yours. Otherwise how could used book and record stores operate? A.J. - -- Epitaph on a dead blues singer's gravestone: "I didn't wake up this morning . . ." _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:00:20 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Help put "Live Noise" on top! 'XPN, that wonderful radio station in Philadelphia, is trying to pick the Top 50 albums of 1998. The picking is quite easy. We, the listeners send in our top 5 albums, the votes are counted, then the CDs are played (in their entirety, yes, they play everything) between Christmas and New Years. And, for entering your top 5 CDs, they will enter you in a drawing to win all 50 of the CDs from CDnow. It's *real* easy to do this. All you have to do is send your name/contact details and your top 5 CDs to 'XPN. Phone, fax, e-mail, web, etc. They are supposed to have a thing on their web page for this, but I haven't found it yet. Until then: call: 800-565-WXPN or 215-573-3340 email: wxpn@pobox.upenn.edu write: 3905 Spruce Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104 When they get a web version of this up and running, I'll post the URL. You can see what the on-air hosts have picked as their favorite CDs at: http://xpn.org/sections/top5.html and last year's top 50 CDs at: http://xpn.org/sections/top50.html Looking through my CDs, I think my top 5 would include: Live Noise (like, duh!) Live at the World Cafe, vol 7 Flaming Red, Patti Griffin Left of Cool, Bela Fleck Talk on Corners, the Coors Play, the Nields ok, that is 6. sue me. :) The top 2 probably get the most time in my CD player right now. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:14:56 -0700 From: "Bridget" Subject: Re: ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Jack S. Porcello wrote in message <862566C6.0011BFA4.00@tpevnlx02.tenpkg.com>... :> Aside from your pathetic little fan-base--the real public, >who might :>happen to catch you :>on some obscure Variety Show--laugh at you. : :Now, wouldn't laughing at an act that is mostly meant to be :humourous be a sign of a successful act? Hmmmm . . . : :Who is it here that has the sig that says "He who laughs :last didn't get it" anyway? : : :Peace, : :Jack : hey, that's me!!!!! (check my sig...) over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget (o: 'He who laughs last didn't get it..........' http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/b/n/bnl_gordon@msn.com.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:34:45 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: : ~~~~MOXY FRUVOUS ARE PATHETIC--WHY?~~~~ Alex Stetson wrote and i must say, he's convinced me. Damn persian hippie drummers with pretty hair and indecipherable names. Stupid nonsense band names. No mass appeal. Riding on the coattails of Barenaked Ladies. (wait a minute, oxymoron alert there.) Doing *gasp* Variety Shows! Okay, that's it. I'm giving notice here that I am, like, so sick of this Moxy Fruvous outfit. 'Bye folks! If ya miss me, I'll be hanging out over at the ng of some mega-group with the kind of massive following that only comes with real talent. Like, oh, say, the Spice Girls. - -- a penitent Lori, grateful that at long last she has seen the light ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields (and those Nields!!! Are they, like, pathetic or what? Can't they write about anything better than this loser band? What is their deal anyway?) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #55 *******************************************