From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #799 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, October 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 799 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio (was Jordans) [w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widu] Re: Irving Plaza... help needed [wahrend@my-dejanews.com] Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs [hKatherine@ehmail.com] =S only somewhat fruvous-related [epbuckley@my-dejanews.com] Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs ["A.J. LoCicero" Chad Maloney wrote> >> "Jordan I. K. McClure" wrote> >> > Actually I am a Jordan from Illinois, not Indiana (unless there is a >> > mysterious fourth Jordan). I know it's hard for some of you >> > non-natives to tell the difference but there's an easy way> In >> > Indiana, there's more than corn. Illinois has just corn. >> >> I hate to tell Indiana's secret, but really all that is just >> proganda sent over to Illinois to get more tourists. Really, >> we only got corn too. Well, and basketball I guess... > >Illinois has radio stations worth listening to. > >But Indiana has the largest of all college chapels, at the infamous >Valparaiso University. So infamous that even some people outside of >Indiana might have heard of it. Maybe. > >Indiana also has Goshen, its "close but no cigar" version of Oberlin. > Don't forget The World Famous Covered Bridge Festival in Parke County! Zack (who is negotiating a day off from work to go the Covered Bridge Festival, which is THIS week!) - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:06:10 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Irving Plaza... help needed In article <19981011.205825.18774.2.TMBgirl@juno.com>, tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > why do you have to be 25 yo to rent a car? why?! Its one of those milestones in life. Year 1: life is new, everything is bliss, eat, sleep, mumble, spit up, and do whatever the hell you want.. someone else always cleans up the mess. Life is great. Year 13: congratualtions you have hormones. :-) Year 18: (or is it 16) you can legally smoke (if thats your thing), get married (unless you below the mason dixon line in which case its probably more like 12), get drafted and fight and die for your country in glorious battle. Year 21: you can drink, whoopie! Year 25: you can rent a car! woo hoo! party hats all around!!! Anyways, if you were to get rid of it, there would be nothing to look foreward to after you turn 21 'cept the pine box ;-). Besides, you can rent a car before you turn 25, all you need do is turn over your first born and both your pinkies(do you know how hard it is to type w/o your pinkies?). Seriously, I am not 25 and I have rented cars many times, its just a hell of a lot more expensive since they tack on this "under 25" tariff which effectively doubles the cost. "wild" Bill (has real work to do, honest) - ----- I'm a snowman, cold is all I understand I'm a snowman, if you can't hurt me, no one can - The Nields, Snowman - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:58:51 GMT From: hKatherine@ehmail.com Subject: Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs In article <3623E610.DC1B4131@wwnet.com>, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > That is my opinion. What's yours? Glad you asked :) If anyone remembers, I was the girl who actually said that she was reluctant to post lyrics. And this is exactly the reason why I said that: I'm uncomfortable with making public the lyrics of unfinished songs. Of course they're unfinished songs - not that any songs will ever be "finished" songs, because they do after all keep changing, even after years. That's one of the ways Fruvous manages to keep our interest, right? So let's just stop right there and call those older songs "established" songs, and the newer ones "unestablished". Of course the band needs to play them to a live audience before they're absolutely 100 % sure of the final direction the song will take. That's because they (and especially Fruvous, in this case) tend to play off the audience. They sort of need to test new songs to find out what gets our attention, probably mostly because after you've worked on the same song for a substantial amount of time, you start doubting whether it's really any good at all. Remember Bole? Bole came out of a need to try new songs. Just because they don't rename the band, don't think Fruvous is feeling any less tentative when it comes to fresh material. There. That must've been a posting record for me :) Still loking for other opinions out there... hKath - -- "I'll have a smile... to go." -- Topon Das - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:24:05 GMT From: epbuckley@my-dejanews.com Subject: =S only somewhat fruvous-related i don't know about y'all, but the news i kept hearing this past weekend really got me down. i'm speaking of the matthew shepard story; i haven't been able to get it out of my mind. things like this make my teeth clench with rage. it doesn't help that i heard today that the good reverend fred phelps (do a yahoo search on him if you've never heard of him) is planning on attending (or rather, protesting at) this poor kid's funeral. it all makes me very angry, and i don't know what to do with all this anger; where to put it. because i am not an angry person. *sigh* anyway, in the midst of all this angst, two kinda cool things happened today. the first happened as i was dropping off a movie at blockbuster. i was listening (at considerable volume) to what is probably my favorite 16 mins of music on the planet; Eyes of the World from the 9/90 Without a Net CD. if you're not a deadhead, i guess it would be hard to understand this, but... on the other hand, i am speaking to a bunch of fruheads, so yeah, you probably will understand this. anyway, as i pulled up to the curb to drop off the movie, a boy in a baseball cap was coming out of blockbuster, and when he heard what was wafting out of my car windows, he gave me such a big grin that i couldn't help but grin back. [you see, it doesn't matter whether you're deadhead, fruhead, phishhead, or whatever... it's always the same. it's like we share a secret, an inside joke that no one else gets. going to a show is just a way for a bunch of us to get together and laugh about it.] the second thing was picking up a certified letter at the post office, containing six lovely tickets to the upcoming frufiesta in DE. thanks, june! *joy* peace, ellen - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:53:56 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs Well I don't know about any of you, but personally I am shocked to find out that this is even an issue on other newsgroups. I mean it is one thing to break into a band's secret HQ and steal unfinished songs from the BLUE file, but it is quite another to report what one hears them sing in a public concert. As far as a song's status as "finished" or "unfinished." I think that is a meaningless distinction in this discussion. Words can and will always be changed in subsequent performances, but the words as they are sung somewhere are the words at that time; period. The song can later be reworked or rewritten, but that doesn't make the original lyrics wrong, it just makes them an older version (which is something quite interesting in and of itself). If a band does not feel that a song is ready to be heard publicly, they don't have to perform it, but I don't think they can have it both ways. Either they perform it publicly in which case I see no reason it should not be posted (I'm not interested in copyright law here, I'm talking ethics) or they keep it to themselves, or share it only with close friends. Now before someone points out the essential role of feedback in the creative process and asks how a band can evolve its material if it is subject to instant public exposure, let me say this. Bootlegs of a performance are a different matter. To record an actual performance and then publicly distribute it without the artist's permission is not acceptable, but lyrics are more like a report on a show, rather than a show itself. If I show a new film to a preview audience, I do have the right to expect that they are not copying the movie by some means and redistributing it. However I think it is truly beyond my right to insist that they not describe such a movie to others, unless I have asked them to agree to this restriction in advance of the screening. That is my opinion. What's yours? A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:02:31 GMT From: w9sz@prairienet.org (Zack Widup) Subject: Re: any suggestions? In a previous article, tcain1@NOSPAMwebmart.net (Tim) says: >In article <6vvnbr$m8o$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, hKatherine@ehmail.com wrote: > >> In article <6vu2qc$i41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, >> nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: >> > >> > > >how do you go about explaining Fruvous (without sounding as silly as I >> > > >did)? >[snip] > >> Ugh. No kidding. I can probably recite it by heart. Interviewers can be so >> unoriginal... Anyone feel like making up their own original definition? > >Mine requires a little bragging on myself, so I apologize for that. As >background, I'm the guy my friends and co-workers come to with questions >about music, because I can usually answer them (my collection is about >5,000 albums, and I sadly have no life outside of music). > >So I say: > >"Imagine the Beatles crossed with Firesign Theater put into four guys, >each of whom knows more about pop music than I do." > >I say 'Beatles' because they're the best songwriters and singers ever. I >say 'Firesign Theater' because of intelligence that makes you laugh AND >think. > >It may not be a great description, but it sure makes people interested in >hearing the lads. > >--tc Hey, that's not bad! Zack "I read my name on the door - regnaD kciN" > >-- >"Trying is the first step to failure." -- Homer Simpson > My favorite is "Do or do not - there is no try" - Yoda - -- ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #799 ********************************************