From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #112 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: foreign language lyrics [Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: foreign language lyrics wahrend@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > I think the first time I can remember it happening is when I picked up > > a few Latin words from Enya. Especially the song Cursum Perficio > > (perfect course) which, admittedly, doesn't really have all that many > > interesting words to learn, but just sounds great! > > Yeah, enya makes me want to go out and learn gaelic. There is a really cool > latin verse at the end of Its a Sin by the Pet Shop Boys. > Sometimes though it takes the mystery out of it. There's a very strange, minor-keyish Scottish harp tune that I love called (from memory) Willeagh Auld Trews. And you think oh, that's so ethereal and mists in Scottish glens. Then I found out it translates as Willie's Old Trousers. Pip pip Richard - ------------------------------------------------ Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering among the mossy groves of his crutty shins? (Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:37:42 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Rats, rats and more rats. A jolly political debate gets going of the sort I love and what happens? My news server goes *phut* and I'm reduced to sitting watching it go on via DejaNews but not being able to contribute. Sooooo frustrating. Like being censored I suppose. (Rolls up sleeves) Back into the fray! Dot0926 wrote: > if everyone thought this way, there wouldn't even be an issue here, however, > the problem is that most people don't have the understanding to think like > that, That's a very pessimistic attitude to take of humanity. Most people I know have perfectly functional understanding of the ethics of parental advisory stickers (there are NOT the Great Ethical Issue of our time). Has anyone on this list been prevented from listening to a CD that they normally would have because of a PA sticker? Does anyone know of anyone who has? > most parents have an inherent desire to protect their > children from the outside world :) :) :) I'm covering this next comment in smilies because I can't think of a way of putting it that doesn't sound like I'm trying to score points in some crappy debating competition, which I'm not, honest. :) :) Doesn't the fact that `most parents have an inherent desire' assert that there *is* such a thing as human nature, an assertion you recently denied? :) :) :) etc > damn advil, false no fever alarm, so ill spend my day ranting again...... I trust there's Warning! This Soup Contains Cruelty to Chickens stickers on all the chicken soup people are sending you. :) Pip pip Richard - ------------------------------------------------ Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering among the mossy groves of his crutty shins? (Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:16 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Talents? (Was: Re: Fruvous Question...) beetleschka@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Whoah! I remember ElfQuest. With Cutter and Redlance and stuff. I used to > > have four "Really Big" size books with stories. I wonder where those are. > > Hmmmm. We also used to play an ElfQuest roleplaying game too. Man, now I > > need to go find those books so I can reread them =) > My experience with Elfquest is that it got dumb (like just about all the > comicbooks today...SIGH) although my little sister still subscribes to it... Hmmm, I never read any more ElfQuest than those first four "Really Big" comic books. I don't remember names at all, but I get the feeling each corresponded to a season. I definitely remember the white one, which in my head corresponds to winter. I guess I put those 4 books at about the same time as the first four Dragonlance books (and the only 4 Dragonlance books I've ever read =). All 4 ElfQuest books were really really good, but I was pretty young then. I might not have known what good was... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:04:17 GMT From: beetleschka@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Talents? (Was: Re: Fruvous Question...) In article <35AE0824.B8A7571B@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu>, Chad Maloney wrote: > beetleschka@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > Whoah! I remember ElfQuest. With Cutter and Redlance and stuff. I used to > > > have four "Really Big" size books with stories. I wonder where those are. > > > Hmmmm. We also used to play an ElfQuest roleplaying game too. Man, now I > > > need to go find those books so I can reread them =) > > My experience with Elfquest is that it got dumb (like just about all the > > comicbooks today...SIGH) although my little sister still subscribes to it... > > Hmmm, I never read any more ElfQuest than those first four "Really Big" > comic books. I don't remember names at all, but I get the feeling each > corresponded to a season. I definitely remember the white one, which > in my head corresponds to winter. > > I guess I put those 4 books at about the same time as the first > four Dragonlance books (and the only 4 Dragonlance books I've ever read =). > All 4 ElfQuest books were really really good, but I was pretty young then. > I might not have known what good was... > No I think it was more recent than that, ElfQuest got big & so it was nolonger just Richard Pini writing & Wendy Pini drawing & even though just *very* recently there have been some more Wendy & Richard stories those aren't much good, either....SIGH. I can hardly talk about comic books without getting depressed these days. Miriam-Beetle "This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays."-- Artuhr Dent (I'm sorry to use two Hitchhiker's Guide quotes in a row, but it couldn't be avoided) - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:28:21 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! >Richard Butterworth i wrote: >> most parents have an inherent desire to protect their >> children from the outside world > >:) :) :) I'm covering this next comment in smilies because I can't think of a >way >of putting it that doesn't sound like I'm trying to score points in some >crappy >debating competition, which I'm not, honest. :) :) > >Doesn't the fact that `most parents have an inherent desire' assert that >there >*is* such a thing as human nature, an assertion you recently denied? :) :) :) >etc no, human nature (according to me at least) is a system of beliefs that all human commonly share, every single one....it clearly doesn't and cannot exist. a common attribute among the majority, sure, but everyone, no. ( by the way, dont knock debating competitions, you're talking to the co-captain of her high school's debating team......we lost alot) >> damn advil, false no fever alarm, so ill spend my day ranting again...... > >I trust there's Warning! This Soup Contains Cruelty to Chickens stickers on >all >the chicken soup people are sending you. :) would't you know it, im a vegetarian.... :) - -nora ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:21:29 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! >Richard Butterworth wrote: >Neither do I believe that a *falsefied* system of security via censorship is >worth >sacrificing freedom. But neither do I believe that freedom of expression is a >Good >Thing in all circumstances. I just get uncomfortable when anyone puts >themselves >in an absolutist position on anything, be it something I agree with or >something >or don't. I believe freedom of expression is a Good Thing. But freedom to >agressively express a belief that hetrosexual Caucasians are the pure >master-race >and everyone else should be exterminated? No, I don't want to live in a >society >where that gets expressed. If that is a system of security via censorship >then so >be it. > but that is the whole point of freedom of speech. the very basis of free speech is protecting unpopular views. if all anyone ever said was nice or pleasant, we wouldn't need freedom of speech because there would be no one opposed to hearing it. yes, i too think it's terrible that people have such horribly distorted views of the world and the way things should be, homophobics, racists, sexists, you name it, they're everywhere. however, they have the right to express their views the same as you or i, thats the whole point of freedom of speech. should they be saying such ignorant and terrible things? of course not, i wish that they would all just shut up and learn something, but are they protected under free speech? yes they are. the only way to counteract their power of speech is to have the opposition (aka us) be even louder. It is precisely my belief that we don't >live >in utopia that makes me get off my backside and do something about it. I >would >have thought that someone who thought he/she was in utopia would be the sort >of >person happy with the status quo. We live in a potential utopia, yes, with >angels >and demons and love and hate and beauty and ugliness and lies and truth. And >most >of life is the wonderful, exciting, heartbreaking, infuriating, funny, >stupid, >human mess in the middle. A government (which as Vikka points out is just as >much >a heartbreaking, infuriating, funny, stupid, human mess as the rest of us) >must >reflect and work with that fact. > my logic (if you can call it that), actually, it's more of an observation, is that most people look at the way the world is, see the corruption and evils and resign themselves to the status quo, even joining in the madness, because its simply "the way things are and we can't do anything to change it, so we might as well join the party". >(I'm desperately trying to work some Moxy content in here. No can't >do >it, I probably could work in the lyrics from Gulf War Song if I hadn't left >the CD >at home.) > um, how about something from stuck in the 90's? :) >As for "human nature" not existing, well that's psychology and sociology down >the >pan. Sigh. I suppose I'll have to take another degree then. im sure im going to get an argument for this one, but i believe that "human nature" is an exuse that people made up to blame their own fixable flaws on. instead of working on improvement, they just say, it's human nature, what can you do? You can >take >my tenet that I don't want to get randomly smacked in the face (or indeed >smack >anyone else in the face) and reduce it to an argument that no-one can express >anything. You can also take the tenet that freedom of expression is absolute >and >reduce it to an argument for the right to smash peoples' faces in whenever >you >feel like it. Happiness lies in the middle, so does unhappiness, but that's >the >price of being human, not a superman. > i just want to remind everyone that the punching/smacking/whatever bodily harm you can think of metaphor is merely that. in no way do i support someone's right to punch someone in the face (or anywhere else for that matter). that is not a freedom guaranteed by the constitution ( although it would lead to some interesting situations if you think about it, but i digress), merely a person's right to verbally (not physicly) express his or herself. once you take it to a physical level, everything changes. - - nora ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #112 ********************************************