From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #129 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Just wondering... [andyjmail@cheerful.com] Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: a permanent home for Alloy posts @ FES being proposed! [Paul B] Re: Alloy: a permanent home for Alloy posts @ FES being proposed! [lulfst] Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) [lulfstedt@amadeu] RE: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) [tim dunn ] Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) [hubcity@exit109.] Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. [Dennis S Alexander ] Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. [DAbbitt32@aol.com] Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: EQ (OT) [DAbbitt32@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... [Spencer2424@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Just wondering... [Kathleen Truelove Presser ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: Just wondering... Howdo, Having been fortunate enough to gather various rarities recently, I am struck just how much early material there is that would make a darn fine album on it's own. There are a lot more tracks to collect of course, but a lot of the 12" mixes are now available on CD - this early work is a great collection of single length tracks and would be my choice : Leipzig Therapy/Growth Urges Urban Tribal (studio) Jungle line (short, laid back version) Wreck of the Fairchild Radio Silence (guitar) New Toy (from Live Wireless) Puppet Theater (needs sibilance tamed!) Don't Turn Away (Thomas) Airwaves (4 track demo) I think the running order would work quite well - what do you think? A couple of tracks here are available on CD (Retrospec.) but the rest of them would be great to have in digital quality. The chances of this little lot being released are probably remote! Can I ask Alloy "What would YOUR ideal rarities album contain?" +AndyJ+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:34:59 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) Beatnik Announces $30 Million Funding Round Multiple Industries Embrace Beatnik's Audio Platform SAN MATEO, Calif., May 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Beatnik, Inc., a leader in interactive audio technologies and content for the Web and digital devices, today announced that it has received $30 million in Q1 2000 funding from a premiere group of technology, content and service companies including Pacific Century CyberWorks, Media 100, Space Shower, Sun Microsystems, Inc. and The MTVi Group. "Strategic investments from these key firms will be used to support Beatnik's implementation of a technology platform to deliver interactive audio to the Web, cell phones, set top boxes and Sun's Java(TM) technology," said Lorraine Hariton, Beatnik's president and CEO. "We are delighted to have these market visionaries join Beatnik's already impressive family of investors," said Patrizia Owen, Beatnik's chief financial officer. "Additionally, we welcome the return of significant early round investors including The Mayfield Fund and Entertainment Media Ventures to this latest round of funding." Beatnik Partners with Leading Technology, Content and Services Companies Technology Beatnik has well-established alliances with a number of leading technology companies and has licensed the Beatnik Audio Engine to companies including Intel, Liberate Technologies, Sun Microsystems and WebTV Networks, Inc. Beatnik's Rich Music Format (RMF) has a compact and secure audio file format for use in digital devices -- including cell phones and set top boxes. Beatnik provides the core technology behind Sun's Java(TM) Sound API, featuring a playback and capture engine designed to be the audio subsystem for the Java(TM) 2 platform. This API lets professional musicians and sound designers build sound applications in an environment that will run on any platform, ensuring consistent sound across the Internet and beyond. Content In the content marketplace, Beatnik has a long-term agreement with The MTVi Group that includes leading music and entertainment sites MTV.com, VH1.com, and Sonicnet.com to provide interactive audio experiences for millions of Web surfers. Through Beatnik technologies, music fans can create their own background music to guide them as they surf MTVi's sites, instantly preview new songs by simply rolling the mouse over artist graphics, remix tracks to create their own personalized versions of songs and email their creations to friends. In addition to an existing equity relationship, Beatnik also has a strategic content partnership with The Zomba Music Group. Zomba gives Beatnik access to music from some of its popular artists and the ability to promote and license music from Zomba's extensive music production libraries. Some of this music is available through the Beatnik Production Music site. Services Beatnik's Leaders Program works with many of the top Internet professional service firms such as iXL. As part of Beatnik's relationship with iXL, iXL uses Beatnik's training and support tools to educate its creative teams on the art and business of "sonifying" sites with music and sound. Adding the interactive audio functionality to Web sites brings the Internet experience to a new level; providing stronger brand recognition, further heightening the user experience and creating some of the highest user session times on the Web. International Beatnik announces equity relationships with top players in Asia including Pacific Century CyberWorks, a leading Internet company is Asia, and Space Shower, Japan's premium television music channel to bring immersive audio experiences to Asian Web surfers. A recent report by Jupiter Communications recommends Web sites push audio content to deliver a passive experience for utility, guidance and cueing, as well as judiciously applying pushed audio for branding. Conversely, sites should rely on active pull for consumers to experience music, information and narrative audio. About Beatnik, Inc. Beatnik brings interactive music and sound to the Web through its combination of technology, content and services. Beatnik's solution includes a line of applications, production music, sound content and the Mixman software product line, enabling the integration of interactive audio content into the Web experience. Beatnik develops, markets and sells its interactive audio solution to a community of creative professionals, potential licensees of its technology and consumers enabling them to build and interact with music and sound over the Web, on computers and other digital devices. Mixman Technologies, Inc. became a subsidiary of Beatnik in December 1999. Incorporated in 1996, Beatnik was founded by musician and composer Thomas Dolby Robertson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:05 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: a permanent home for Alloy posts @ FES being proposed! And on the day of 5/25/2000 8:38 AM, RThurF@aol.com thus did spake... > Dear Everyone @ Alloy: RogerRoger. (Y'know the really pathetic thing is that I've taken to using that as an acknowledgment of email requests at work. I'm sorry, SW Episode One's droids got to me...) > I've just received word from Mr Dolby's web design team that they've proposed > featuring some selections from our recent song interpretations discussions on > the Flat Earth Society web site! >[...] They would like to create a permanent archive of these > descriptions on Thomas' site so that former featured essays can be referenced. Robin, that's just totally cool! Totally, totally cool! Totally! I'm sorry I just... sorry. > Of course, I do remember that Stephen was planning to create his own archive > of these posts, but I think the two projects would not infringe on one > another. The chance to have Alloy members' writing featured on the FES > should be taken under consideration by everyone. I think it would be > absolutely wonderful to have Alloy members' thoughts about Thomas' work > showcased this way on his own site! Ditto. Mondo Ditto in fact. > And so, to all those who have posted (and will post) their > interpretations.... please let me know what your feelings are about having > our essays about Thomas' work given their very own space on Thomas' site. > Interpretations will be credited to each writer (except, of course, those who > wish to remain anonymous may always choose to do so) Well, speaking from the point of view of one who submitted a relatively pathetic airwaves interp but admiring the eloquent words of others I think it'd be awesome to have the one and only FES (should we call it FES:TNG?) use words from Alloy. Talk about living tribute: if Alloy is the C452 of AllThingsDolby(tm), FES would, in fact be AllThingsDolby(tm) wouldn't it? P. This message powered by Jastamba/York feat. Jamila. (awoosondonyeeanda) - man, beautiful voice! I wish I knew the translation, this is one emotive song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:09:37 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: a permanent home for Alloy posts @ FES being proposed! Well, I've been one of the least active contributors on here, but it sounds like a mighty fine idea! On another note, Paul, thanks for re-posting the dissidents info - facinating! Do any of you have notes on the other foreign language lines in Dolby songs (e.g. the significance behind the Hungarian ( was it ?) in Budapest By Blimp - I know it's translated, but what's the story behind it?, or what the Spanish outburst means in Hot Sauce?) Just curious :-) Lissu Dear Everyone @ Alloy: I've just received word from Mr Dolby's web design team that they've proposed featuring some selections from our recent song interpretations discussions on the Flat Earth Society web site! This was a suggestion from the designers, after meeting with Thomas, who said he would like to give more Alloy content a permanent home on the FES. The designers felt the song interpretations would be the most appropriate type of content to go with, given the context of his page. They would like to create a permanent archive of these descriptions on Thomas' site so that former featured essays can be referenced. Of course, I do remember that Stephen was planning to create his own archive of these posts, but I think the two projects would not infringe on one another. The chance to have Alloy members' writing featured on the FES should be taken under consideration by everyone. I think it would be absolutely wonderful to have Alloy members' thoughts about Thomas' work showcased this way on his own site! And so, to all those who have posted (and will post) their interpretations.... please let me know what your feelings are about having our essays about Thomas' work given their very own space on Thomas' site. Interpretations will be credited to each writer (except, of course, those who wish to remain anonymous may always choose to do so) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:47:38 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) WOW! That's terrific! Amazing to think how Beatnik has grown over the last few years! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:18:05 +0100 From: tim dunn Subject: RE: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) yeah - the old english expression gis'a'job springs to mind.... - -----Original Message----- From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net [mailto:lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Sent: 25 May 2000 14:48 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) WOW! That's terrific! Amazing to think how Beatnik has grown over the last few years! Lissu :-) She's the biggest thing to hit classical music for 67 million years - http://gmn.com/classical/dinosaur.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:13:09 -0500 From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: Ace On 24 May 2000, at 11:02, Ian Gifford wrote: > > > OH MY GOD!!! > > I am Crying! I mean it. That was a gorgeous sound. I spent a few years in > the drum corps as a child. We had some great arrangers and we did some cool > songs. My faves were always the versions of "Sing sing sing", "Birdland" > (weather report) and "copacabana". I find that sound haunting as anything > and even get emotional at parades. I have been tempted to go to some of the > DCI shows but am afraid of being a bubbling mess. There is nothing on earth like a DCI show! I recommend that everyone see one just once in their life. At least 3 times during the evening you will feel like Peter Murphy in the Maxell audiotape ad....your hair blowing back, the force plastering you to your seat. And don't worry about appearances, because EVERYONE at some point is a bubbling mess. + Charles E. Kemp +++++ beeble@indy.net + Just for the sake of it make sure you're always + frowning, it shows the world that you've got + substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:38:02 GMT From: hubcity@exit109.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) The PR Newswire said: > > Beatnik Announces $30 Million Funding Round > > Multiple Industries Embrace Beatnik's Audio Platform > > SAN MATEO, Calif., May 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Beatnik, Inc., a leader in > interactive audio technologies and content for the Web and digital devices, > today announced that it has received $30 million in Q1 2000 funding from a > premiere group of technology, content and service companies including Pacific > Century CyberWorks, Media 100, Space Shower, Sun Microsystems, Inc. and The > MTVi Group. Jeez, compare that to the effort behind getting a record label to release an album for you! And the funny part is, Beatnik will likely collect more revenue from licensing the technology than *any* artist will make releasing records. Looks like TMDR found the right racket. Am I selfish for wishing this'll buy him the time to go back and make a little more of the racket he used to make? Wryly, - -HubCity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:48 -0600 From: Dennis S Alexander Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. > I totally sympathize with you. Sounds to me like there were a few people who were jealous of your apabilities. Office politics can be so unfair. Hope you find a company with people who appreciate your skills and abilities. >Kate;-) I'm never sure how to say this, but, and I'm really not trying to brag, but having the *form* of intelligence that I have, I seem incapable of understanding certain person-to-person interactions. I'm reminded of that scene in Driving Ms. Daisy, where Morgan Freeman's character is working out a pay increase with his boss by telling him that the neighbor down the street wants to hire him at a little higher wage. I study those interactions but never seem to be able to apply them in my own life! Yeah, maybe I actually think in the form of mathematics, algorhythms, basically breaking down the line code for the song in my head, when I listen to music and feel the music through those mathematics (do I really sound bizarre there?) but can I tell when someone's stabbing me in the back when its obvious to everyone around? There are two factors here, IQ and EQ (Emotional Quotient). I don't know what my IQ is, but (and again I'm not bragging) I wouldn't be surprised if it were on the higher end. Those tests in High School suggested it was. But the older I get, the more I see that often EQ is far more important than an IQ. It's just one more reason why I appreciate Teresa so much. Someone like her (with a very high EQ) who knows how to look at people for who they are and doesn't try to figure out how to take advantage of them is a rare find. On top of that, but she's pretty smart as well! I found she plays dumb a lot. It still amazes me how much she loves me! I mean, why me? I can't hold a job! Kate, I'm sure your right, there's a place for me. 'Somewhere a place for me. Work and pay and appreciation, wait for me somewhere.' Whenever I get down, that song ('Somewhere' from 'West Side Story') always seems to pop in my mind. I know most of you will freak at this but... Barbara Streisand does a most incredible and powerful cover of that song! I believe Quincy Jones produced it for her and he seemed to give it his all! Of course, she can afford that. CJ Mark wrote, > So sorry to hear of your latest ride on the idiot boss railroad. Yeah, but I am getting sick and tired of it! The really good bosses who see my true worth are never able to do anything for me and the ones who can are blind and stupidly selfish. Unfortunately, they're not only hurting themselves, but they're hurting me even more. >Sometimes you just have to continue the search until you find the right group that can appreciate your abilities.. Just a thought.. But for how long? (whimper, moan) When? I think I told you about that web site for Dice.com? They are an IT professional job listing service.. > You might want to give it a try. Already am. Found two jobs that looked really, really good, but so far no calls back. ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:22:58 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) I must say, getting the funding at this time is quite a vote of confidence. With the shakiness in the markets, there are a lot of .com's having trouble getting financing these days. Something I've learned a little bit about recently. Congratulations Thomas and Beatnik! - -Keith Stansell (web application developer - KickStart.com) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 6:34 AM Subject: Alloy: Congratulations Thomas, and all @ Beatnik :) > > Beatnik Announces $30 Million Funding Round > > Multiple Industries Embrace Beatnik's Audio Platform > > SAN MATEO, Calif., May 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Beatnik, Inc., a leader in > interactive audio technologies and content for the Web and digital devices, > today announced that it has received $30 million in Q1 2000 funding from a > premiere group of technology, content and service companies including Pacific > Century CyberWorks, Media 100, Space Shower, Sun Microsystems, Inc. and The > MTVi Group. > > "Strategic investments from these key firms will be used to support > Beatnik's implementation of a technology platform to deliver interactive > audio to the Web, cell phones, set top boxes and Sun's Java(TM) technology," > said Lorraine Hariton, Beatnik's president and CEO. > > "We are delighted to have these market visionaries join Beatnik's already > impressive family of investors," said Patrizia Owen, Beatnik's chief > financial officer. "Additionally, we welcome the return of significant early > round investors including The Mayfield Fund and Entertainment Media Ventures > to this latest round of funding." > > Beatnik Partners with Leading Technology, Content and Services Companies > Technology > > Beatnik has well-established alliances with a number of leading technology > companies and has licensed the Beatnik Audio Engine to companies including > Intel, Liberate Technologies, Sun Microsystems and WebTV Networks, Inc. > Beatnik's Rich Music Format (RMF) has a compact and secure audio file format > for use in digital devices -- including cell phones and set top boxes. > > Beatnik provides the core technology behind Sun's Java(TM) Sound API, > featuring a playback and capture engine designed to be the audio subsystem > for the Java(TM) 2 platform. This API lets professional musicians and sound > designers build sound applications in an environment that will run on any > platform, ensuring consistent sound across the Internet and beyond. > > Content > > In the content marketplace, Beatnik has a long-term agreement with The MTVi > Group that includes leading music and entertainment sites MTV.com, VH1.com, > and Sonicnet.com to provide interactive audio experiences for millions of Web > surfers. Through Beatnik technologies, music fans can create their own > background music to guide them as they surf MTVi's sites, instantly preview > new songs by simply rolling the mouse over artist graphics, remix tracks to > create their own personalized versions of songs and email their creations to > friends. > > In addition to an existing equity relationship, Beatnik also has a strategic > content partnership with The Zomba Music Group. Zomba gives Beatnik access > to music from some of its popular artists and the ability to promote and > license music from Zomba's extensive music production libraries. Some of > this music is available through the Beatnik Production Music site. > > Services > > Beatnik's Leaders Program works with many of the top Internet professional > service firms such as iXL. As part of Beatnik's relationship with iXL, iXL > uses Beatnik's training and support tools to educate its creative teams on > the art and business of "sonifying" sites with music and sound. Adding the > interactive audio functionality to Web sites brings the Internet experience > to a new level; providing stronger brand recognition, further heightening the > user experience and creating some of the highest user session times on the > Web. > > International > > Beatnik announces equity relationships with top players in Asia including > Pacific Century CyberWorks, a leading Internet company is Asia, and Space > Shower, Japan's premium television music channel to bring immersive audio > experiences to Asian Web surfers. > > A recent report by Jupiter Communications recommends Web sites push audio > content to deliver a passive experience for utility, guidance and cueing, as > well as judiciously applying pushed audio for branding. Conversely, sites > should rely on active pull for consumers to experience music, information and > narrative audio. > > About Beatnik, Inc. > > Beatnik brings interactive music and sound to the Web through its > combination of technology, content and services. Beatnik's solution includes > a line of applications, production music, sound content and the Mixman > software product line, enabling the integration of interactive audio content > into the Web experience. Beatnik develops, markets and sells its interactive > audio solution to a community of creative professionals, potential licensees > of its technology and consumers enabling them to build and interact with > music and sound over the Web, on computers and other digital devices. Mixman > Technologies, Inc. became a subsidiary of Beatnik in December 1999. > Incorporated in 1996, Beatnik was founded by musician and composer Thomas > Dolby Robertson. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:00:39 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. Hey Dennis. At least it's good to hear you're on the search.. that's the first step. Break a leg! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:23:23 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. JAMac, so damned sorry to hear this,...get yourself to a firm that appreciates you! Sound like you should be interviewing your potential employers, and not the other way around,....don't forget that they're crying out for people with your background down here in France, should the fancy take you! >Maybe I'm seeing things wrong. Is it not good to be faithful to your >company and to do the best job you can? After suffering a near to total burnout in the employ of a multinational that shall remain nameless, I learned the lesson to put number one before the company. I used to be the architypal company girl, faithful to the company, hours of overtime, etc. and all it did was put professional rivals' noses out of joint and get me a lot of sick leave. Now work is just work, I do my best, but I don't stress over work, I'm not all that "faithful" to companies & their ideals anymore, and I don't rack up the hours doing unpaid overtime. And consequentially, I have a lot more energy to put into things like music :-) Put yourself first, Dennis, You're number one, not the company you work for! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:39:26 -0400 From: "Colin Viebrock" Subject: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? Just following up on a post I sent awhile back: I came across a short snippet of a song (it's in German) that is "supposedly" called "Solo", by Thomas Dolby and Nina Hagen. I say "supposedly" because I've checked every online resource I can think of and can't find any reference to a collaboration between Mr. Dolby and Ms. Hagen. Not in any of the discographies, not on the FES website, and not on any CD stores site. Can someone confirm or deny this information? I've posted the snippet of the song, if that helps: www.shmooze.net/~cmv/solo.mp3 Cheers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:48:01 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. JAMac - Follow these instructions as closely as possible: 1. Go to Blockbuster 2. Rent "Office Space" 3. Go home 4. Watch "Office Space" 5. Take what you've learned from "Office Space" and apply liberally to your daily grind. Sorry to hear about your employment woes. - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:53:47 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. Dennis, hang in there... I agree with Kate that office politics can be horrendous (as are any kind of politics) but don't give up. Maybe you really should consider working in Europe for a while, like Lissu said! It would certainly give you some unique experience for your resume, and show you a different perspective on how various countries' businesses are running. You're young & talented (in many different ways I might add! :) so look at every possible option!! Anyway, they're only blocking you because you're making the rest of them look bad, I'll bet, by working as hard as you are and being so good at what you do. It's frustrating that they didn't appreciate what you had to offer them - - but it is their loss. I imagine there are plenty of good jobs to be found in your field where you and your abilities will be valued. Best of luck!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:59:37 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Alloy: EQ (OT) JAMac - Studies have found that, for job and interpesonal success and promotion, having a higher "EQ" is more important than a higher IQ. The good news is that EQ, unlike IQ, can be raised through learning. There are lots of wonderful books currently published on the subject, and any bookstore should carry any number of them. The difference, apparently, between IQ and EQ is that, whereas people with a high IQ may solve a problem readily, they may not be able to see the many different solutions, and sometimes the most direct solution isn't the best. People with a higher EQ tend to think "outside of the box", finding there's than one way to skin a cat, and they also have the ability to make adverse conditions not only come to a satisfactory conclusion, but more often than not turn those same adverse conditions into positives (make them work toward the solution instead of against it). I picked up a book called "Working with Emotional Intelligence" about a year ago and it's fascinating stuff. Check it out, if you have a chance. You may find it interesting, and possibly helpful. - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:01:50 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? Hey Colin, I can't confirm anything on this (though still it would be a wonderful collaboration IMO!) but thanks for posting the audio link. I'd love to hear more of it... ~very~ nice :) Robin T In a message dated 5/25/00 4:44:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@easyDNS.com writes: :: I came across a short snippet of a song (it's in German) that is "supposedly" called "Solo", by Thomas Dolby and Nina Hagen. I say "supposedly" because I've checked every online resource I can think of and can't find any reference to a collaboration between Mr. Dolby and Ms. Hagen. Not in any of the discographies, not on the FES website, and not on any CD stores site. Can someone confirm or deny this information? I've posted the snippet of the song, if that helps: www.shmooze.net/~cmv/solo.mp3 :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:10:13 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... In a message dated 5/25/00 6:59:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, andyjmail@cheerful.com writes: :: Leipzig Therapy/Growth Urges Urban Tribal (studio) Jungle line (short, laid back version) Wreck of the Fairchild Radio Silence (guitar) New Toy (from Live Wireless) Puppet Theater (needs sibilance tamed!) Don't Turn Away (Thomas) Airwaves (4 track demo) :: I've often wondered if it would ever be possible for 'rarities' such as these to be compiled as an official release. I don't know what it would take, ie licensing etc, but in any case Andy this is a very tempting list... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:51:50 EDT From: Spencer2424@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... In a message dated 5/25/00 3:23:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, RThurF@aol.com writes: << Leipzig Therapy/Growth Urges Urban Tribal (studio) Jungle line (short, laid back version) Wreck of the Fairchild Radio Silence (guitar) New Toy (from Live Wireless) Puppet Theater (needs sibilance tamed!) Don't Turn Away (Thomas) Airwaves (4 track demo) :: I've often wondered if it would ever be possible for 'rarities' such as these to be compiled as an official release. I don't know what it would take, ie licensing etc, but in any case Andy this is a very tempting list... Robin T >> I've thought the same thing myself, with a very similar set of tunes! And I came up with a great name for the album: "Silent Radios," which is of course a play on Radio Silence, and references the fact that none of the songs on the album ever got much if any radio airplay. I would also include Skullpulse, Mulu, and the live version of "Jungle Line." And Jungle Line could be a CD ROM video from the Live Wireless album. That would be very very cool! - - Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:04:21 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... Actually, I'd like to see a DVD compilation with Live Wireless, Golden age of Video, and the videos from A&H all on one disc. Perhaps there could be a bonus CD in the package with the rare ones included, or perhaps playable from the DVD menus. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... > > In a message dated 5/25/00 3:23:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, RThurF@aol.com > writes: > > << Leipzig > Therapy/Growth > Urges > Urban Tribal (studio) > Jungle line (short, laid back version) > Wreck of the Fairchild > Radio Silence (guitar) > New Toy (from Live Wireless) > Puppet Theater (needs sibilance tamed!) > Don't Turn Away (Thomas) > Airwaves (4 track demo) :: > > I've often wondered if it would ever be possible for 'rarities' such as > these > to be compiled as an official release. I don't know what it would take, ie > licensing etc, but in any case Andy this is a very tempting list... > > Robin T > >> > I've thought the same thing myself, with a very similar set of tunes! And I > came up with a great name for the album: "Silent Radios," which is of course > a play on Radio Silence, and references the fact that none of the songs on > the album ever got much if any radio airplay. I would also include > Skullpulse, Mulu, and the live version of "Jungle Line." And Jungle Line > could be a CD ROM video from the Live Wireless album. That would be very > very cool! > > - Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? I suspect that someone made a mistake...I mean, if it's not in Lazlo's discography, it doesn't exist, right? :-) BC On Thu, 25 May 2000, Colin Viebrock wrote: > > Just following up on a post I sent awhile back: > > I came across a short snippet of a song (it's in German) that is > "supposedly" called "Solo", by Thomas Dolby and Nina Hagen. > > I say "supposedly" because I've checked every online resource I can think of > and can't find any reference to a collaboration between Mr. Dolby and Ms. > Hagen. Not in any of the discographies, not on the FES website, and not on > any CD stores site. > > Can someone confirm or deny this information? I've posted the snippet of > the song, if that helps: > > www.shmooze.net/~cmv/solo.mp3 > > Cheers! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... On Thu, 25 May 2000 RThurF@aol.com wrote: > I've often wondered if it would ever be possible for 'rarities' such > as these to be compiled as an official release. I don't know what it > would take, ie licensing etc, but in any case Andy this is a very > tempting list... Thomas alluded to the possibility of doing this a few years ago, but naturally he has been otherwise occupied to pursue it. I'm not sure a record company would want to press something that they'd probably perceive as having limited commercial interest (although the 12x12 Singles CD is a counterexample of this, but justifiable to them since it has "Science" on it, therefore it will sell, right? :) ) The flurry of "greatest hits" CDs that came out over the past year or two is, in my mind, the wrong approach to re-marketing Thomas' music. The right one? Boxed set! A good example of this would be Stevie Nicks' "Enchanted" 3CD set--two disks of the best from the studio albums, plus the third disk of B-sides, movie soundtrack contributions, live performances and other surprises (got one or two new songs on the shelf, Thomas?)...not to mention a booklet full of photographs, historical/ biographical linear notes, and full lyrics. THIS is the sort of thing that would sell to the fans, and intregue the slightly-less-than-avid fans who never bothered to hunt down any TMDR albums on CD. If enough perks are added, a boxed set can be more than a gouge-the-fans-for-all-they-got item, and instead be quite an impressive addition to a CD library. IMHO, of course. Alternatively, if TMDR has the master tapes lying around in the basement somewhere, he could dust them off, transfer the rarities to his computer, burn a few dozen copies onto CDs, and sell them on his website. Cuts out the middleman altogether (which is part of what Beatnik is all about, anyway. :) ) , BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... On Thu, 25 May 2000, Keith Stansell wrote: > Actually, I'd like to see a DVD compilation with Live Wireless, Golden age > of Video, and the videos from A&H all on one disc. Another fine idea! Toss in some interviews while you're at it, old and new! :) BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:11:53 -0700 From: Kathleen Truelove Presser Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... I totally agree with that idea Keith. Maybe Thomas will read this and give it serious thought. Kate;-) Keith Stansell wrote: > Actually, I'd like to see a DVD compilation with Live Wireless, Golden age > of Video, and the videos from A&H all on one disc. > Perhaps there could be a bonus CD in the package with the rare ones > included, or perhaps playable from the DVD menus. > > -Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... > > > > > In a message dated 5/25/00 3:23:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > RThurF@aol.com > > writes: > > > > << Leipzig > > Therapy/Growth > > Urges > > Urban Tribal (studio) > > Jungle line (short, laid back version) > > Wreck of the Fairchild > > Radio Silence (guitar) > > New Toy (from Live Wireless) > > Puppet Theater (needs sibilance tamed!) > > Don't Turn Away (Thomas) > > Airwaves (4 track demo) :: > > > > I've often wondered if it would ever be possible for 'rarities' such as > > these > > to be compiled as an official release. I don't know what it would take, > ie > > licensing etc, but in any case Andy this is a very tempting list... > > > > Robin T > > >> > > I've thought the same thing myself, with a very similar set of tunes! And > I > > came up with a great name for the album: "Silent Radios," which is of > course > > a play on Radio Silence, and references the fact that none of the songs on > > the album ever got much if any radio airplay. I would also include > > Skullpulse, Mulu, and the live version of "Jungle Line." And Jungle Line > > could be a CD ROM video from the Live Wireless album. That would be very > > very cool! > > > > - Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:14:10 -0700 From: Kathleen Truelove Presser Subject: Re: Alloy: Just wondering... Oh yeah, ditto from this corner. Kate;-) Brian Clayton wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000, Keith Stansell wrote: > > > Actually, I'd like to see a DVD compilation with Live Wireless, Golden age > > of Video, and the videos from A&H all on one disc. > > Another fine idea! Toss in some interviews while you're at it, old > and new! :) > > BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:48:33 -0400 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Solo ... with Nina Hagen? I looked into this, and the song is a collaboration between Nina Hagen and someone who goes by the name of Thomas D. I did some looking into Thomas D and he appears to be a popular German musician. It seems that some people made the assumption (incorrectly) that Thomas D stood for Thomas Dolby. - -Russell Milliner http://www.iag.net/~millliner/tmdr/ Colin Viebrock wrote: > > Just following up on a post I sent awhile back: > > I came across a short snippet of a song (it's in German) that is > "supposedly" called "Solo", by Thomas Dolby and Nina Hagen. > > I say "supposedly" because I've checked every online resource I can think of > and can't find any reference to a collaboration between Mr. Dolby and Ms. > Hagen. Not in any of the discographies, not on the FES website, and not on > any CD stores site. > > Can someone confirm or deny this information? I've posted the snippet of > the song, if that helps: > > www.shmooze.net/~cmv/solo.mp3 > > Cheers! ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #129 ***************************