From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #278 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, October 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Hollywood [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Alloy: forward: Headspace Joins With Netscape..!!! [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording [thomas@headspace.com (Thomas Dolb] Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: music from e(lipse! [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording [Chris Cracknell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:34:22 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Hollywood - --IMA.Boundary.931387809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Re: falling stuff from the backs of vehicles.. I can sympathize with your plight - in May 1995 I wrote off my beautiful white VW Polo GT on the M42 near Birmingham airport - 8 am, sunny day & I swerved to avoid a hay bale which had fallen off the back of a lorry. Lost control & ended up by going up the embankment. Luckily we weren't hurt, but the car was killed. John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Alloy: Hollywood Author: Elaine Linstruth at Internet Date: 18/10/1998 13:55 Hey Mark, it's funny you should say you were in my neck of the woods.. and then it turns out I was in your neck of the woods last Friday. (Like you, I'd have said hi if I'd have seen ya.. next time, know I'm coming ahead of time and stand at the freeway exit & wave ok?) We went down to Calumet photography to rent a huge camera lens for the weekend. My husband was invited to spend Saturday's L.A. Galaxy game on the field! My husband and his friend have a fan webpage that the team's front office really likes. (It is better than their official one.) Check it out at http://lagalaxy.qnet.com -- and they have a meeting Monday (tomorrow) with the Galaxy. They're not quite sure what to expect, but knowing the team likes their work is pretty cool by itself. Since Qnet is an ISP, it's not inconceivable that they'd be selected as the official web page provider/webmaster, either. However, on the way home Friday we wrecked the car. On the 5 freeway, some dude lost his luggage from the top of his vehicle, onto the roadway.. and 5 of us were involved in a minor altercation from the sudden stops. Mister luggage man and one other took off before the cops arrived. No injuries, it's just a big fat nuisance. It also made us feel bad because the baby was with us.. properly restrained in the back seat of course. But it makes you think. To add insult to injury, the Galaxy lost that Saturday game he spent on the field. *sigh* And lost this past Friday, taking themselves out of contention for the Cup, for which we have tickets next Sunday. *double sigh* But I thought you'd like to hear my little story of ironies anyway. As Crackers would say, tie your luggage securely from hell! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) - --IMA.Boundary.931387809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 006427CB; Sun, 18 Oct 98 16:01:52 - -0500 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03505 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:01:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.147.247]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22562; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id QAA24519; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:55:29 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id QAA24498 for alloy-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-a.qnet.com (mx-a.qnet.com [207.155.33.13]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id QAA24494 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.qnet.com (elaine@cello.qnet.com [207.155.38.12]) by mx-a.qnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA22716 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Alloy: Hollywood Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.931387809-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:51:48 EDT Hi all!! Here is a very exciting little piece of news I was just forwarded. Read, and let thy jaw drop onto the floor (as did mine). My enthusiastic From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: forward: Headspace Joins With Netscape..!!! congratulations to our amazing Thomas for all the work he & Headspace have put into this. I'm so happy for you Thomas! ...consider yourself giddily hugged & smooched by a Boston violin maker via cyberspace! :) Robin T <> Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:56:45 -0700 From: thomas@headspace.com (Thomas Dolby Robertson) Subject: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording Rochelle Kirby wrote: > October 17, 1998 > > Dear Thomas Dolby, > > I have contemplated this letter for several years, but finally feel > compelled to put my thoughts to paper. Too many years have gone by without > a new album from you. Perhaps you are too busy with your computer company > to compose music, or, worse, you suspect that no one cares whether or not > you release another album. It is the latter thought that is prompting me > to write. I have been a fan of your music since "Hyperactive" hit the > airwaves, well over a decade ago. You have been my #1 favorite artist > since that time and I sincerely hope that you have not stopped writing and > recording music. > > I realize that the powers that be have not been as good to you as they > should have been. The notes that pass as music on the commercial radio > stations are sadly lacking in originality. Your music has been, perhaps, > too original for the general public. But the truth be told, there is a > smaller populace of people who periodically go to the music store and > search through the 'D' section, hoping for a new release under your name. > I know for a fact that I am not alone in doing this. Please know that you > have followers who are very loyal to you. > > You have a lot of influence over me as a consumer. I purchased "The Dark > Eye" computer game and "The Gate To The Mind's Eye" laser disc just because > your name was on them. I looked for years, and finally found, the > soundtrack to "Howard the Duck" because a friend said you had produced it. > I watched "Gothic" because you did the music. > > Do you know how good your music is? I don't know if you listen to your > music, but it's wonderful. Give me "I Love You Goodbye," or "I Scare > Myself," (a song you made your own) or "Budapest By Blimp" over what is > played on the radio any day and I'm a happy camper. I'm writing to let you > know that there are still people out there who care whether or not you > continue to write. Please do not stop... > > Sincerely, > Rochelle Kirby Rochelle, I was very touched and flattered by your letter. I get many letters expressing a similar sentiment--though few are as articulate, honest or straightforward as yours. You've made a number of assumptions about my reasons for not recording a new album for a number of years. Some are very perceptive, others are understandably a little off the mark. You are right in thinking that the music business treated me badly, and that this has dulled my enthusiasm. Certainly the record companies, radio stations and music press had a hard time pigeon-holing my music, and were frustrated with the constant stylistic u-turns. None of that surprises me looking back. However, I'm not bitter that the general public itself found my music too hard to understand. All the music I've admired from other artists had a similar effect on the public, and I would worry if I was suddenly a household name rather than a cult! I think that the sales I've had were directly in proportion to the exposure I got from radio and TV; and considering that I didn't fit with most stations' playlists, I can't complain that I only had three gold albums, a Top 5 single and four Grammy nominations. I feel that the fanatical support I get from people like yourself easily makes up for the lack of mass-market, brainless commercial success enjoyed by many mainstream artists. There are very few other artists I'd change places with, and I am deeply gratified to know that the effort I put into songs like "Budapest", "Screen Kiss", "ILYGB" and so on hit home with my audience, and were warmly received and understood by hundreds or thousands of people around the world. Believe it or not, it is those songs--the ones I care most about and put so much of my soul into--which people write to me about over and over, not the hit songs which received mass exposure. So it's not bitterness that keeps me from making new albums. You are right to recognise that Headspace is the primary reason, but you evidently think that's a poor excuse :) I can see it would be hard for anyone on the outside to understand why what I'm doing with my company is so important to me. To explain this, you have to know what motivated me to record those albums in the first place: it was the need to explore unexplored territory, to express myself in a new and untried medium. Very few people were using synths and computers to make serious music when I started out, but I had visions of using them to create lush aural landscapes, cinematic experiences, and poetic narratives, real songs that reconciled the technological obsessions of our age with a more timeless and visceral relationship to the natural world. You can hear this in my early songs like "Flying North", "Windpower" and "Airwaves." Unfortunately, synths, studios, music videos and CDs didn't provide me two decades' worth of exploration! so it was inevitable that I had to move on and look for new, uncharted territory. And the Internet is it--but if the sense of authorship is missing from my work with Headspace, it's because the Net is not a one-way, passive medium, it's a participatory, community-driven environment. You have to take a broader view of Headspace and the reason it takes up all my time right now. We're helping music evolve and migrate from one chapter of its history into a new one. The twentieth century has been a time when a single performance by an elite and fortunate artist is captured in a recording studio and broadcast to masses of nameless, faceless listeners; some of us run to a record shop to purchase a copy. The true effect this music has on the audience is unknown to the artist, unimportant to the record company or record shop, and only rarely shared with other listeners. If the sales are substantial, the artist becomes ridiculously weathy and totally isolated from everything that made him or her sing the song in the first place; if the sales are disappointing, the artist is permanently expelled from the industry like a used washrag. Yet in spite of all this, there have been some absolutely stellar moments in twentieth century music, and I'm proud to say I was responsible for one or two of them myself. That this fact was lost on all but a small fraction of the general public does not take away from the sense of achievement I feel! In the next century, music will be different and so will the relationships between entertainer, audience, and intermediary. This is not even an evolution, it's a revolution, and the Net is the crucible where it's beginning to happen. The stars of the Internet age are not individuals, they're companies and communities. That's why my contribution is Headspace, and it's still a work in progress. As far as your concern that I may never record again, don't worry. I will definitely return to it when I'm good and ready. I want it to be a joyful homecoming, and I will try (as I always do) to make it my best work ever. A few nights ago, I celebrated my fortieth birthday at home with a group of good friends. My wife asked me what I wanted most for my birthday. I thought hard, and said that what I wanted most of all was to play my songs. I miss that connection with the feelings that went into those songs, and sharing those feelings with an audience. So I rehearsed for a few days and worked up simple arrangements of seven of my favourites, and played and sang them for about forty people. I was nervous as hell, but it was deeply satisfying to get back to music after such a long lay-off. I hope to be doing some more live performances very soon; as well as working up new arrangements of old songs, I have several new ones which I've never committed to tape, and I like the idea of debuting them to a small live audience, and maybe even recording them as the basis for a new album. So I hope all this puts your mind at ease. Half way through writing this I decided it would be nice to copy this letter (and your original email) to a newsgroup called Alloy which is populated by a very interesting group of people loosely united by an interest in my music. I trust this is okay with you--there are many people on the list who I think would like to have asked me the same questions you did. All the best, TMDR >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording APPLAUSE!! and hooooray Was Rochelle's email address in there, so we can send the Alloy address? Thank you Thomas -- Christmas came early this year. Everyone here looks forward to new music, live shows.. and the increasing popularity of Beatnik is awesome as well. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:27:55 +-1100 From: John Schofield Subject: Alloy: Please Don't Stop Recording TMDR wrote: >As far as your concern that I may never record again, don't worry. I >will definitely return to it when I'm good and ready. I want it to be a >joyful homecoming, and I will try (as I always do) to make it my best >work ever. yayyay yayyy yahooooo !!!!! >A few nights ago, I celebrated my fortieth birthday at home with a group >of good friends. My wife asked me what I wanted most for my birthday. I >thought hard, and said that what I wanted most of all was to play my >songs. I miss that connection with the feelings that went into those >songs, and sharing those feelings with an audience. So I rehearsed for a >few days and worked up simple arrangements of seven of my favourites, >and played and sang them for about forty people. I was nervous as hell, >but it was deeply satisfying to get back to music after such a long >lay-off. oh to have been in that audience... >I hope to be doing some more live performances very soon; as >well as working up new arrangements of old songs, I have several new >ones which I've never committed to tape, and I like the idea of debuting >them to a small live audience, and maybe even recording them as the >basis for a new album. hey what about an all cities 'Alloy' tour (hint hint). TTFN John (john@police.tas.gov.au) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:36:22 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording WHOOOHOOO! Our Founder speaks.. ;) Hehehe, that rocks. :) Especially.. > (...) real songs > that reconciled the technological obsessions of our age with a more > timeless and visceral relationship to the natural world. You can hear > this in my early songs like "Flying North", "Windpower" and "Airwaves." Not to mention obviously in two of my faaavorites, "Cloudburst..." and "The Flat Earth". :) That's always been one of the (many) kewlest things about Thomas's music, for me. :) On a related note, I just recently got off the phone from a half hour interview for the St Louis Post Dispatch. I'm a national merit scholarship semifinalist (from my PSAT scores last year.. test-taking being one of my talents..) and since I'm a homeschooler too, they decided to do an article about me and the two other local homeschooling semifinalists. (I'm not trying to brag or anything, this really does have a point ;) ).. in the flow of conversation he asked me what my favorite rock groups were, and I said that my two favorite -artists- were Thomas Dolby and Keali'i Reichel. Then he asked me to describe what kind of music they did, and as usual, I was at a loss (not only can't one describe his variety of unique work in a quick soundbyte, why would anyone want to.. ;) ). If I remember correctly I blurted out something about synthesizers, but lots of real instruments too, a variety of different styles, currently has a company doing internet audio stuff... Heh... Anyway... > We're helping music evolve and migrate from one > chapter of its history into a new one. The twentieth century has been a > time when a single performance by an elite and fortunate artist is > captured in a recording studio and broadcast to masses of nameless, > faceless listeners; some of us run to a record shop to purchase a copy. > The true effect this music has on the audience is unknown to the artist, > unimportant to the record company or record shop, and only rarely shared > with other listeners (...) This is something I've been thinking about a lot recently, as well as technology & society in a more general sense. I guess a lot of it is from spending that week at camp...there are a lot of musicians amongst our small group of unschoolers, and the whole week was blissfully full of live music (drum, cello, flute, celtic harp, violin, piano, digeridoo...) made by and with friends in a community setting. We played music too, of course, but we all seemed to have our priorities straight--OUR music, created for eachother and the situation, was what was important. I missed that a lot when I got back. (My dear friend Casey had a tape recorder and stuff at camp, and is putting together a 'soundtrack' casette for us :), supplemented with some things recorded and sent in after camp, since the lodge had awful acoustics.) I haven't had much confidence in my musical abilities for, well, it seems like forever (I know I've whined at you guys about it more than enough!), but when I came back from camp, I found that my parents had (finally) had the piano tuned while I was away, and I launched myself back into that.. and to my vast and utter astonishment, I composed a piece of music to go with a poem I really like (Turquoise wrote it). Practiced playing it, figured out the timing with the poetry, recorded it, figured out (after many hours) how to get it into the computer and record my reading the poetry to it, and so, uhm, I'm proud of myself and all that stuff. ;) We've (duh) got a lot of people here who are really into music, in all sorts of different ways, do any of y'all have really strong feelings about home-made/community music as opposed to an individual/small group publishing through record companies and so on? Uhm, gee, come to think of it it's been an awful long time since I've posted here.. Hi everyone! *waves shyly to all the new/newly delurked Alloyites* Guess I've been busy.. Been lurking though, and enjoying the conversation..! :) > As far as your concern that I may never record again, don't worry. I > will definitely return to it when I'm good and ready. I want it to be a > joyful homecoming, and I will try (as I always do) to make it my best > work ever. That's what I thought (& dearly hoped!)!! Sure is good to hear it stated clearly every now and then though. :) > (...)I hope to be doing some more live performances very soon; as > well as working up new arrangements of old songs, I have several new > ones which I've never committed to tape, and I like the idea of debuting > them to a small live audience, and maybe even recording them as the > basis for a new album. Ooooooh.. hehe, hope I'm in the position to hop in the car w/ Turq and take off for Cali to catch some of those live performances... ;) It's just so damn cool to hear from/about people who are doing stuff they really love with their lives, and know it. :) No matter what it is. Seems to me Thomas certainly falls under this category (as well as quite a few other Alloyites, I'd say. :) ).. Inspiring. :) Peace & bliss, -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:33:44 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording Thomas Dolby Robertson wrote: > ................................................So I rehearsed for a > few days and worked up simple arrangements of seven of my favourites, > and played and sang them for about forty people. I was nervous as hell, > but it was deeply satisfying to get back to music after such a long > lay-off. I hope to be doing some more live performances very soon; as > well as working up new arrangements of old songs, I have several new > ones which I've never committed to tape, and I like the idea of debuting > them to a small live audience, and maybe even recording them as the > basis for a new album. Thank you, Thomas for sharing both Rochelle's letter and your response with Alloy. It was great to see the thoughts on both sides articulated so well. I think it's fantastic that you hopped back in the saddle and got out there and sang again - oh, to have been a fly on the wall! Very simply - very, very cool. I hope that, when you are ready for another live performance, you'll let us know, so the Loyal Assembled out here have a chance to listen. (We'd all probably be slack-jawed and awestruck, but you couldn't ask for a more appreciative audience!) Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: Please Don't Stop Recording John sez... > hey what about an all cities 'Alloy' tour (hint hint). > I dunno, I'd settle for an Alloy get-together weekend with TMDR in attendance...and maybe a tune or two with naught but Crackers and his accordion as backup. It would be interesting, to say the least. ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:22:48 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: music from e(lipse! In a message dated 10/19/98 7:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, naia@geocities.com writes: << when I came back from camp, I found that my parents had (finally) had the piano tuned while I was away, and I launched myself back into that.. and to my vast and utter astonishment, I composed a piece of music to go with a poem I really like (Turquoise wrote it). Practiced playing it, figured out the timing with the poetry, recorded it, figured out (after many hours) how to get it into the computer and record my reading the poetry to it, and so, uhm, I'm proud of myself and all that stuff. ;) >> oooohh publish it! publish it on the web!!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Alloy: more on Thomas' b-day party... Just for the enquiring minds out here Thomas, could you provide us with a listing of the songs you played that night? Pretty please? - - Chuck, mourning the loss of a second kitten in as many weeks. ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:50:54 -0700 From: lae Subject: Alloy: Be in my broadcast..... Dear Thomas, When I read your great post, I could distinctly hear your voice speaking it aloud inside my head.....It was great to hear you again! Anyway, How about an Internet broadcast over your BeAtNiK software for all to hear! BTW, can you encode with Beatnik? Also, what other bands gave you the nudge to go synth back in 78-80? Was Genesis one of them? Thanks in advance! Alan Ekland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:25:21 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: music from e(lipse! >oooohh publish it! publish it on the web!!! >Robin T Aw, gee, uhm *blush* thanks.. I mean, if you're really interested, that is, well, lesse.. ;) I'd need Turq's permission, since he wrote the poem (and the music is really just a background to/interpretation of the poem), and also since it's about a 4.5 meg file (less if I zipped it up) and I'd have to stick it in his webdirectory. :) How 'bout it, love? I dunno if I'll actually attach it to my main webpage just yet, especially since I did send it off to Casey for the camp soundtrack (along with some music-less poetry reading), and I want that to be the first place that my nbtscamp friends hear it.. :) but I'll certainly give you the address (is anyone else interested?), and you can download it and play it! It's currently in .wav format, is that all right? I don't know -anything- about audio tech stuff.. I was a little surprised at how long the whole project took--I think about 7 - 9 hours all told. Though a fair amount of that was technical stuff--getting a good recording, getting it into the computer, putting everything together (deleting stuff off my harddrive so I'd have room to work with big soundfiles..). That's on the long end for an art project for me (12 hours is probably the longest so far; rather amazingly, that was 12 hours basically all at once, and it was for a very small sculpture of two dolphins that I made for Turquoise. I think there's one other project that I spent that long on... weaving projects have run 20 hours or so, but it's not quite the same thing for me) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Please Don't Stop Recording In article <199810192206.SAA21663@smoe.org>, you wrote: > I was very touched and flattered by your letter. I get many letters > expressing a similar sentiment--though few are as articulate, honest or > straightforward as yours. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Hey, I thought I was pretty honest and straightforward when I wrote you: "Start recording now you bastard or I'll batter your butt with a buttered battered halibut!" Sure, it's not articulate, but you try saying that five times fast and still be articulate. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > effect on the public, and I would worry if I was suddenly a household > name rather than a cult! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Which reminds me, whose turn is it to sacrifice the virgin tonight? CRACKERS (Wearing my Holy Silk PJs from hell!!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:59:08 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: Don't let Microsoft steal Headspace's groove (was Be in my broadcast.....) Hi Alan, Actually, Beatnik does not work that way. Beatnik is more like a sophisticated player piano system where music and sounds are put together and played (perfectly) on your computer based on instructions in a small file. Beatnik is not an encryption/compression system such as Real audio where actual sounds are compressed down to a small size and decompressed on the computer side (with loss of quality). However, this doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get a full album of CD quality music in Beatnik's Rich Music Format by Mr. Dolby (with little download time). I would love to have something like that. It just means Beatnik couldn't transmit a live recording. By the way, I'm currently downloading Netscape 4.5 in a show of support for Netscape and Headspace. It appears the Evil (well, just really big) Microsoft is stepping into Headspace territory. They have a download on their Windows 98 Product Update Page for their Interactive Music Control. Which per it's description "lets Web developers create and play music dynamically on Web pages. The Microsoft Synthesizer gives users another option for playing music from Web sites. The result is music created on the fly and experienced without the wait. " Support Headspace and Netscape! Don't let Microsoft steal Headspace's groove! And Thomas - Please Please - we need a Windows Beatnik editor soon! (sorry to nag) - -Keith Stansell - -----Original Message----- Allan wrote: >Dear Thomas, > > >Anyway, How about an Internet broadcast over your BeAtNiK software for all to hear! BTW, can >you encode with Beatnik? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:37:59 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: music from e(lipse! Hi E(lipse, One method is to encode it into Real audio. You can get a free encoder from http://www.real.com and convert the file into a much smaller size (with some sound quality loss, but hey, at least we get to hear it-right?). - -Keith (no, I don't work for real-audio I swear) - -----Original Message----- From: Eclipse To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: music from e(lipse! > > >>oooohh publish it! publish it on the web!!! >>Robin T > > Aw, gee, uhm *blush* thanks.. I mean, if >you're really interested, that is, well, lesse.. ;) I'd need Turq's >permission, since he wrote the poem (and the music is really just a >background to/interpretation of the poem), and also since it's about a 4.5 >meg file (less if I zipped it up) and I'd have to stick it in his >webdirectory. :) How 'bout it, love? I dunno if I'll actually attach it to >my main webpage just yet, especially since I did send it off to Casey for >the camp soundtrack (along with some music-less poetry reading), and I want >that to be the first place that my nbtscamp friends hear it.. :) but I'll >certainly give you the address (is anyone else interested?), and you can >download it and play it! It's currently in .wav format, is that all right? > I don't know -anything- about audio tech stuff.. conscious mode> > >I was a little surprised at how long the whole project took--I think about >7 - 9 hours all told. Though a fair amount of that was technical >stuff--getting a good recording, getting it into the computer, putting >everything together (deleting stuff off my harddrive so I'd have room to >work with big soundfiles..). That's on the long end for an art project for >me (12 hours is probably the longest so far; rather amazingly, that was 12 >hours basically all at once, and it was for a very small sculpture of two >dolphins that I made for Turquoise. I think there's one other project that >I spent that long on... weaving projects have run 20 hours or so, but it's >not quite the same thing for me) > > ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #278 ***************************