From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #267 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, October 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: More stuff ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] Alloy: Wish me luck! [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! [CJMark@aol.com] Re: Alloy: More stuff [TBlagg@aol.com] Re: Alloy: More stuff [TBlagg@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: More stuff ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] Re: Alloy: Strange situation [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: More stuff [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: More stuff [TBlagg@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Strange situation [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: questions for anime fans [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Strange situation [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: questions for anime fans [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! [Beth Meyer ] Re: Alloy: More stuff [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: RE: Alloy,more stuff (Bowieishness) [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: Crackers' World [MacSuirtain ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:41:23 -0700 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff On the subject of reunion tours, REO toured here with Foreigner and Peter Frampton a year or so ago. Call me silly but "Modern Love" is one of Bowie's absolute best songs in my opinion. Oh well, still love that '80's music! M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Linstruth To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Alloy: More stuff > > >Ok, I've had a chance to get more caught up. I have some questions and >comments to add to the fracas. #1 on the list, is (sorry to bore some of >you but this will be quick...) the sewing machine repair shop LIED TO MY >FACE, as I took the machine to another place for a second opinion, and >it's fixed. All it needed was a PM and some machine oil. It's got one >problem: winding the bobbin doesn't stop the needle from running at the >same time. So who cares, I'll wind bobbins while I sew. Woo! Now, any >of you that has any experience as a beginning sew-person, I need ideas for >first projects! > >Next, is I saw a career-retrospective type thing about David Bowie, and at >the end he said something akin to, some fans want to have the artist doing >autobiographical works, but that is NOT ME. That got me thinking, I've >always approached Thomas' songs as being somewhat autobiographical. But >are they? Maybe I've been completely off base there. He doesn't like to >say one way or the other, I gather. > >Oh and that Bowie show irked me I must say, by yet again talking about the >"useless" 1980's music he made and how much he hated "selling out" and all >that. I guess I can sympathize to a point, but Bowie really likes to say >that, and it's a bit insulting if you ask me, to his fans that liked that >music. I don't know if _Let's_Dance_ is the greatest album he ever >recorded, but it reminds me of my carefree high school days and that's >good enough for me. > >On the other hand, I can see Thomas' point about the so-called "reunion" >tours that are going on. They *can* be a bit undignified. Wasn't there a >really odd sounding tour recently... REO Speedwagon with something, and >special guest some one-hit wonder from 1984? I forget now. I do recall >that we affectionately referred to this tour as the Gaspy Wheezers >Reunion. > >Trev, sorry hon.. whoever you were with the Atari clocks for sale (now or >future) please let me know! I'm still working on getting my unit fixed. > >And as for mailing lists, this is the one and only for me. And you know >how much I love you all.. Although, if anyone knows where I might find a >list of lists, I'd love to peruse it. I'd like to know if there is an >Everything But The Girl list, for example. > >Robin, you must tell us.. what was the dream?? And, I'd love to give you >a feel for that strange situation, but I'm afraid I'd have more questions >than suggestions. :) > >-- >Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:41:56 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Wish me luck! Hi y'all, Well, this Sunday (Aust east coast time) yours truly in the guise of Aust. Macworld celebrity will be making an invited guest appearance in front of some 200 knowledgable Mac addicts. The talk will last for about an hour followed by a Q&A session. There are high expectations (not to mention my credibility as a so-called knowledgeable Mac authority at stake!) so I thought long and hard about what cool technology I could expose these people to that they may not have seen before. No contest really, I'll be showing off Beatnik and telling them all about a way cool company called Headspace (sincere thanks to Thomas for giving permission). With luck I'll even convince a few that Thomas' music is well worth a listen. :-) Wish me luck! Paul. This message powered by Healing Hands off Aces and Kings The Best of Go West/Go West. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au JustSomeGuy http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia Give me somebody to believe in ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:22:35 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! Paul.. What am excellent opportunity to impart knowledge about something cool.. Break a leg!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:59:58 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff Talking of 80's reunions and the like.... I have tickets to see Culture Club, ABC and Human League, all at the same venue in Birmingham in December. I wasn't really a fan of any of these, but it's sure going to be interesting not to mention bringing back a few memories! Also I'm going to see Duran a few days before this. Although the band has modified since it's 80's stardom, they are still producing, and BETTER THAN EVER! Another 80's band I've seen recently are Depeche Mode. Last weeks concert at the Birmingham NEC was excellent! This time of the year is like a dream come true for me... Well almost...The icing on the cake is missing!!! If only if only if only Thomas would play again!!! Best Wishes, hope your dreams come true***** Trev...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:59:58 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff Talking of 80's reunions and the like.... I have tickets to see Culture Club, ABC and Human League, all at the same venue in Birmingham in December. I wasn't really a fan of any of these, but it's sure going to be interesting not to mention bringing back a few memories! Also I'm going to see Duran a few days before this. Although the band has modified since it's 80's stardom, they are still producing, and BETTER THAN EVER! Another 80's band I've seen recently are Depeche Mode. Last weeks concert at the Birmingham NEC was excellent! This time of the year is like a dream come true for me... Well almost...The icing on the cake is missing!!! If only if only if only Thomas would play again!!! Best Wishes, hope your dreams come true***** Trev...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:51:03 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! Paul, You will, of course, do brilliantly!!! Please let us know how it goes, and how Beatnik goes over with the assembled Mac fiends. Now, I have to admit that I'm not a Mac person. That's not because I don't like them, I just wasn't indocrinated into Mac culture in college (or into computers AT ALL in college, to be honest!) and I had my head wrapped around getting my Gateway once it became a possibility. All my Friends Who Are Creative People were totally shocked when I didn't get a Mac. I'm still taking a lot of grief from them about it (surely, good-natured grief, but grief nonetheless.) Paul, for the benefit of those of us who are not Mac people, can you explain the fierce loyalty and sometimes rabid* following of Mac folk? Or is just a "you just had to be there, man" kind of things? I thought I'd ask A Respected Writer In The Field... (And if you think this discourse would bore everyone else to the point of poking their eyes out, feel free to e-mail your philosophy just to me!) Cheers, Melissa, who recently saw a takeoff of the Apple "Think different" ad with Amelia Earhart, featuring Amelia and the words "Think doomed." Ouch! *"Rabid" to be taken in the very best sense of the word, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:54:44 -0700 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff What gives? There are no tour dates for Duran Duran or ABC here in the states. Consider yourself lucky Trevor! M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: TBlagg@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff > >Talking of 80's reunions and the like.... > >I have tickets to see Culture Club, ABC and Human League, all at the same >venue in Birmingham in December. I wasn't really a fan of any of these, but >it's sure going to be interesting not to mention bringing back a few memories! > >Also I'm going to see Duran a few days before this. Although the band has >modified since it's 80's stardom, they are still producing, and BETTER THAN >EVER! > >Another 80's band I've seen recently are Depeche Mode. Last weeks concert at >the Birmingham NEC was excellent! This time of the year is like a dream come >true for me... > >Well almost...The icing on the cake is missing!!! > >If only if only if only Thomas would play again!!! > >Best Wishes, hope your dreams come true***** > >Trev...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:03:25 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Strange situation Robin, I hope that your friend wanted to give you good news she saw in her dream. I sometimes have powerful dreams about people, and I want to share them with the person about whom I've dreamed, but I'm usually too reluctant to do it. The women in my family have a long history of dreams and visions about other family members, but, in each case, its been when something bad is about to happen or when an elderly person has died. Six months after my father died, I dreamed I was walking on a brilliantly lit shore with my mother, and, as we approached a bench with two young men sitting on it, she told me she could go no further. I went to the bench, and the two young men were my father - who spoke to me - and my Uncle John, who could not speak. My father said, "He can't speak; he just got here." The next morning, I was awakened by a phone call from one of my sisters, telling me that my Uncle John had died in the night. I've never had bad dreams about friends, though -- its always been good news for them. Just last week, I dreamed that my friend Mary had a new baby at home (strangely, though, the newborn could speak, which was creepy.) Mary just called me on Monday to tell me that she's pregnant. So, there you have it. Hoping your news was good - and wishing you could speak directly with her! (But that's a whole different kettle o' fish...) Cheers, Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:07:24 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff Michael and Denise Luckey wrote: > > What gives? There are no tour dates for Duran Duran or ABC here in the > states. Consider yourself lucky Trevor! Here in the states, the '80's tour was Culture Club, Human League, and Howard Jones (at least here in DC.) Would love to have seen HoJo again (saw him twice in the '80's), but the tickets were outrageous and it sold out in just a few days. Howard Jones has a new album out -- anybody heard it? Depeche Mode plays here in November. The tickets are just under 40 bucks (!?!?!) and it's general admission! Forgive me, but, if I pay $40 for a ticket, I WANT A SEAT! Melissa, already old and cranky, apparently ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:12:08 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! In a message dated 10/7/98 9:44:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paulb@thehub.com.au writes: << No contest really, I'll be showing off Beatnik and telling them all about a way cool company called Headspace (sincere thanks to Thomas for giving permission). Wish me luck! >> Very best of luck Paul!! You'll do brilliantly. I wish we could all attend this Macworld conference... get the wave going (you do have 'the wave' in Australia, don't you? :) Beatnik will get a huge response. You go, boy! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:36:32 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff Melissa, Here the DM tickets were £18.00 (I got mine free though, via a friend). I even got a SEAT!! However, console yourselves over there with the fact that CD's seem to be 30% cheeper! Swines.... I wonder what it would cost now to see Thomas? Trev... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:41:59 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Strange situation Melissa, I hope it was good news too... so far, my friend's sister hasn't called me to tell me waht the dream was & I don't know how to get in touch with her, or her mother. I'm left in a state of suspended animation! Thanks for telling your own experiences. They're along the same lines as some of mine. I think this sort of dreaming must be fairly common but that most people don't want to mention it for fear of being thought a lunatic. I think dreams are important, though most of them aren't prophetic, they do tell you a lot about yourself & things going on around you that you might not consciously be aware of. A topic of great interest to me! Robin T In a message dated 10/7/98 4:05:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << I hope that your friend wanted to give you good news she saw in her dream. I sometimes have powerful dreams about people, and I want to share them with the person about whom I've dreamed, but I'm usually too reluctant to do it. The women in my family have a long history of dreams and visions about other family members, but, in each case, its been when something bad is about to happen or when an elderly person has died. Six months after my father died, I dreamed I was walking on a brilliantly lit shore with my mother, and, as we approached a bench with two young men sitting on it, she told me she could go no further. I went to the bench, and the two young men were my father - who spoke to me - and my Uncle John, who could not speak. My father said, "He can't speak; he just got here." The next morning, I was awakened by a phone call from one of my sisters, telling me that my Uncle John had died in the night. I've never had bad dreams about friends, though -- its always been good news for them. Just last week, I dreamed that my friend Mary had a new baby at home (strangely, though, the newborn could speak, which was creepy.) Mary just called me on Monday to tell me that she's pregnant. So, there you have it. Hoping your news was good - and wishing you could speak directly with her! (But that's a whole different kettle o' fish...) >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:49:36 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: questions for anime fans Hi everyone, I read this post in my fashion newsgroup & wondered if any of our resident Japanese animation fans could shed a bit of light on the meaning of this. What's going on in the world of Japanese culture? I've been perplexed ever since I read it & nobody i know can make sense of this! (WARNING: it's a bit weird on many different levels) Robin T << <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Strange situation In article <361BC90D.5C8061DB@erols.com>, you wrote: >I've never had bad dreams about friends, though -- its always been good >news for them. Just last week, I dreamed that my friend Mary had a new >baby at home (strangely, though, the newborn could speak, which was >creepy.) Mary just called me on Monday to tell me that she's pregnant. >So, there you have it. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Two of the members of the band I recently joined are pregnant. Fortunately though it's two of the female members so it works out okay. CRACKERS (Funny how things work out from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: questions for anime fans In article <628f131d.361bf000@aol.com>, you wrote: > tootootoo odd! had to buy it. Can NOT for the life of me figure out what > it's all about, though... ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Japanese humour has a strange fascination with the non-sequitor. One animated skit on a Japanese comedy show depicted two anthromorphic bucks raping a doe. A half-cow/half-chicken walked by and said, "What are you doing?" One of the bucks replied, "What are YOU doing?" to which the cow-chicken answered "I don't know." and walked away. Makes no sense to me but it was greeted with great laughter from the Japanese audience. These characters you described are likely not from any manga or anime. Japanese pop-fashions tend to employ this non-sequitor sense of humour as well as "toilet humour" (also very popular in Japan) and plain old shock value. One of the most popular girl's T-shirts in Japan right now has a manga styled drawing of a guy holding a gun to a girl's head and yelling "BITCH!" As well, nazi-wear is also big now. These are enigmas likely never to be fully comprehended by the occidental mind. And speaking of Japanese fashions (the wee knapsacks were a huge hit in '96 in Japan), my mother had a Japanese exchange student staying with her last year and when she returned home she left behind a bunch of Japanese magazines for me, the bulk of which are fashion magazines. The next time an angry feminist yells at me about how body image conscious North Americans are and how the "media" keeps pushing the idea that skinny is beautiful I'll let them have a peak at some of these Japanese fashion mags. Most women I know would kill to be their "Before" pictures. They have ads that read "Before: 105lbs" "After: 98lbs". Yeeeesh! How many weightloss clinics do you see over here advertising "Lose 7 pounds!!!". Granted, it's much more difficult to be overweight on a Japanese diet than it is on the typical fat enriched, decidant North American fare (they can have my fudge crackle ice-cream when they pry the spoon from my bloated dead fingers). But sheeeesh! 7 pounds makes a weight problem? I guess I'll stay here where my extra 30 lbs of belly-jelly is just par for the course. Then there's the "boob" issue. True, asian women by and large do seem to be genetically disadvantaged in the breast department if size is your thing. There are many women over here who feel uncomfortable with the size of their breasts too but you haven't seen the variety of breast enlargement devices over here like you will see in a Japanese fashion mag. Creams, bras, pills, lotions, and bizarre mechanical aparatus that would look right at home in a Thomas Dolby video. There's one device that requires an additional person to operate and consists of two glass bell jars and a very powerful vacuum pump. The thinking is if you expose your breasts to a vacuum for extended periods of time over many days they will become swollen. And the desire for the perfect breast doesn't stop with mere size. No, if you're disatisfied with the colour of your nipples there's a cream available in Japan called "Virgin Pink" that will bleech your brown nipples a light pink in just a few short weeks. Yepper, North Americans certainly haven't cornered the market when it comes to torturing the human body to fit some concieved notion of beauty. Hell, you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've learned in my anthropology classes about what different people around the world will do to make themselves beautiful. Makes silicon implants and liposuction look like a stroll through the park. I'll take a tummy-tuck anyday over carving decorative patterns on my penis to make me more attractive to the opposite sex. (Hey look, when it shrinks and expands it's like one of those MAD magazine folding covers) CRACKERS (Ouch ouch ouch from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:15:07 -0600 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Wish me luck! Hi, folks; Paul wrote: > Well, this Sunday (Aust east coast time) yours truly in the guise of > Aust. Macworld celebrity will be making an invited guest appearance in > front of some 200 knowledgable Mac addicts. ... > > No contest really, I'll be showing off Beatnik and telling them all about > a way cool company called Headspace Good luck, Paul! We know you'll do great. By the way, I just have to mention -- the guy who does the sound engineering for the phone announcements for US West (e.g., "We're sorry, your call cannot be completed as dialed...") is a big fan of Beatnik. He was the first person I've met outside this list who had heard of and used the technology before. If you're preparing for your talk with a certain amount of anxiety, I can relate. I am sending this e-mail from the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society conference in Chicago. Yesterday, I had to give a talk based on my dissertation and two posters on other topics -- all on the same day! The two posters had taken so much time to prepare that I'd had very little time to practice the talk. While I certainly knew the material well, condensing a 200+ page dissertation into a 15-minute talk was a challenge. But it went pretty well, particularly given a rather bad room arrangement that forced me to walk back and forth between the podium and the overhead projector -- and also given the fact that, partway through the talk, I noticed a guy in the audience with whom I had a rather, um, intense personal history from a few years ago. Of course, what immediately blazed across my mind was "MUSTN'T SOUND NERVOUS IN FRONT OF HIM, MUST ACT NATURAL!!" which of course made me even more rattled, such that I sounded distinctly nervous for the rest of the talk. Ugh. But everything turned out OK, I ended up winning an award for the paper, so it's quite possible to recover even from mini-disasters like that. Well, if I want to avoid dozing off during the sessions tomorrow, I'd better pack up the laptop and get some sleep -- Cheers, a very relieved Beth bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:57:10 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: More stuff In a message dated 10/7/98 1:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elaine@qnet.com writes: << Ok, I've had a chance to get more caught up. I have some questions and comments to add to the fracas. #1 on the list, is (sorry to bore some of you but this will be quick...) the sewing machine repair shop LIED TO MY FACE, as I took the machine to another place for a second opinion, and it's fixed. All it needed was a PM and some machine oil. It's got one problem: winding the bobbin doesn't stop the needle from running at the same time. So who cares, I'll wind bobbins while I sew. Woo! Now, any of you that has any experience as a beginning sew-person, I need ideas for first projects! Yay! your machine works! What kind of machine is it, just out of curiosity? One of the first sewing projects I took on was making very small teddy bears... lots & lots of them... for all of the guests who came to our wedding & were so kind to us. It was a fun project, I used a really pretty black calico with multi-colored flowers, and little gold buttons for eyes. However the little bears were lost as I was right in the middle of making them, when our apartment caught fire. The thing that was really rotten about it was that I'd sewn them all by hand, it was about seven years ago & I hadn't bought a machine yet. Agonizing! I was just happy that we got all the ferrets out & nobody was hurt! Anyway, apart from the spectacularly tragic ending (I didn't mean for this to be a sad story!!) maybe teddy bears would be a good first project. They're very simple, you can get a Simplicity pattern & things are pretty clearly explained. If you ever are wondering what some of the symbols mean on any pattern, I can try to help you. I've been reading patterns from the turn of the century lately & am over-confident that I can decipher just about anything now! <> One can never tell! From having been around Dave for so long & having done some creative work myself I've observed that a piece can be autobiographical without being based in actual fact, if that makes any sense. <> I thought the biggest problem was not the age of the performers, but that the tours seemed.... ungenuine. It seems like a 'bandwagon' sort of thing, when all the energy of touring should really be reserved for making something you feel is worthwhile. I didn't go to any of these tours, but I heard that Human League actually said point blank that they were only doing it for the money... which I thought would be insulting to their fans! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:18:55 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Alloy: RE: Alloy,more stuff (Bowieishness) Elaine wrote: << Next, is I saw a career-retrospective type thing about David Bowie, and at the end he said something akin to, some fans want to have the artist doing autobiographical works, but that is NOT ME. That got me thinking, I've always approached Thomas' songs as being somewhat autobiographical. But are they? Maybe I've been completely off base there. He doesn't like to say one way or the other, I gather. Oh and that Bowie show irked me I must say, by yet again talking about the "useless" 1980's music he made and how much he hated "selling out" and all that. I guess I can sympathize to a point, but Bowie really likes to say that, and it's a bit insulting if you ask me, to his fans that liked that music. I don't know if _Let's_Dance_ is the greatest album he ever recorded, but it reminds me of my carefree high school days and that's good enough for me. >> I'm a big Bowie fan (even belong to Bowienet,please everyone go join. it could be good if good people become part of it and it's quite worth $6 a month) and I find your comments intrigueing. I've read many interviews with him regarding the '80s and I thought I'd offer a few thoughts on the subject. Bowie often says that he was very unhappy in the 80's though and I'm afraid the media often rewords this as "Bowie wasn't happy with his music in the '80s" Bowie has said many times that Let's Dance wasn't a bad album, just not one of his favorites. He though "Tonight" was so-so and, well Glass Spider and the tour that followed he considers the low point of his creative life. Keep it in mind though that every artist feels they hit a low point creatively at some point. It can't all be highs. (I gotta agree with Bowie on this Glass Spider) But Bowie's low points are about as high as some people ever get, so its not surprising that you (and I) still appreciate them. If you don't have it already I encourage you (and everyone else) to buy a copy of Earthling (Bowie's latest) right this minute. __Dave Thurlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:22:47 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Alloy: Crackers' World Crackers wrote (among other things): > Hell, you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've > learned in my anthropology classes about what different people around > the world will do to make themselves beautiful. Makes silicon implants > and liposuction look like a stroll through the park. I'll take a tummy-tuck > anyday over carving decorative patterns on my penis to make me more attractive > to the opposite sex. (Hey look, when it shrinks and expands it's like one of > those MAD magazine folding covers) Crackers, please, please, PLEASE consider a career as a freelance essayist! Your stuff is the greatest -- the bit you wrote about Clinton plopping the presidential member on the world conference table was so brilliant, I read it over the phone to a friend who snorted a glass of milk up her nose, she was laughing so hard. Good stuff, Maynard! ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #267 ***************************