From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #241 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: She's an egghead... [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgaw] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc ["Guy Story, KC5GOI" ] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [CJMark@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc [Eclipse ] Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... ["Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc Beth described me as "editor of a major Ziff-Davis computing magazine in the U.K." which is kind of over-doing it. I'm just the Software Editor, making me one rung down the chain of command from the actual editor, or in other words in the top 10 of a staff of 30 writers and editors. But I am still a scientist by training, and outlook, and that makes me a rarity in business IT journalism. Okay, I'm a geek as well. I admit it. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 05:24:13 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: She's an egghead... Beth Meyer wrote: > >Been a Dolby fan since the early days, but never saw him live, I suppose > >most of us have that regret though. Only just found this list in June. I > >guess I'm kinda surprised that there aren't as many science geeks (like me) > >as I expected (I can hang with artsy types, though ;-) ). > > Actually, the science geeks have been a little quiet lately, but they're > around... I'm a young science geek and computer-geek-in-training. (: Anyway, more female science-geek Dolby-fans are always most welcome, Jen...and good luck with the cioppino soup! > The interesting thing that I've noticed here is that most of the "science > geeks," at least the ones who aren't strictly computer people, are female. > One could look at the composition of Alloy and conclude that Thomas' music > has a special appeal for female scientists, male technophiles, and artists > of both genders. Not sure what that means, though. Whatever it is, it must be a good thing... >;) And hey, we all know how Thomas can travel through time, right? Maybe "She Blinded Me With Science" was (will be?) inspired by all the Alloy female scientists dazzling all the Alloy male technophiles! And of course, all of the Alloy artists are just inspiring all the time! :) -- E(lipse PS - yes, I'm still around. (: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:10:40 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... - --IMA.Boundary.116734509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Howdy, alloyed folks! >Jen (:^ Eh up, welcome to Alloy, from the loud-mouthed, toilet-humoured Yorkshireman exiled in Paris, France. I ain't no scientist or geeky things like that, but I'm 100% football (or "soccer" to your lot). Que le Cube soit avec toi, John www.mygale.org/04/jwh - --IMA.Boundary.116734509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0059EA33; Wed, 9 Sep 98 14:15:40 - -0500 Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22733 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:16:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0zGph5-0006dV-00; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:14:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id PAA16408; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:13:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id PAA16381 for alloy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ooze.nwfsc.noaa.gov (ooze.nwfsc.noaa.gov [161.55.136.141]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id PAA16375 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [161.55.136.123] by ooze.nwfsc.noaa.gov with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:15:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:11:47 -0700 Subject: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... From: "Jennie Bolton" To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-ID: <1306782788-759018251@ooze.nwfsc.noaa.gov> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id PAA16376 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns1.baxter.com id OAA22733 - --IMA.Boundary.116734509-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc In article <8025667B.003CC0B6.00@mailer.zd.com>, you wrote: >But I am still a scientist by training, and outlook, and that makes me a >rarity in business IT journalism. Okay, I'm a geek as well. I admit it. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ I'm not just a geek... I'm KING OF THE GEEKS!!! To further prove my geekiness, not only have I turned an old 386 into a file server for an old Atari 2600 video game system, but I recently finished a new program for the 2600 that will be available shortly from Hozer Video Games on cartridge. It's a digital video clock so when you're not playing your atari you can plug in the cart and it will display the time in scrolling rainbow numbers (in 12 or 24 hour format) and on top a pair of animated sprites scroll by (the sprites change into different characters every 10 minutes) and on the bottom another pair of animated sprites scroll by (they change every hour). The sprites are actually characters from different video games for the Atari 2600. This might be the first cartridge that non-atari 2600 collectors by since it can be used as a decorative conversation piece. (Go to the local thrift, buy a small B/W TV for $10 and an old atari for $5. Stick it on the book shelf and have an interesting digital clock). As soon as I finish designing a limited release label I'll be ready to roll (it's a common practice for new 2600 carts to have two releases. One with a special limited edition label for the hardcore collectors (and people who like to later auction them off on Ebay at a rediculous amount) and then a generic release label for those who missed the boat. The special edition is usually no more than 100 carts. Now if the fact that I'm doing all this for a videogame machine that's over 20 years old doesn't make me king of the geeks, one has only to look at my Geekroom to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt about my geekdom! Plus, I recently broke my glasses and have fixed them with a white twist-tie. CRACKERS (Lord of the Geeks from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan *** http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base *** *** http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo | Hozer Video Games *** Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... Well, I got a couple of recommendations for a place with good ciopinno which fellow Alloyites /\/\iles and /\/\ary may well approve, since I know they go there often: Scoma's at Pier 47. If that doesn't work for you, Jennie, I'm sure another "ristorante" can be located in short order. Happy dining, BC - --- Brian Clayton "Anyway, it's not me that's mad, it's the rest stemish@kumr.lns.com of the world. Aaaaaaaahh!" -- TMDR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:11:19 -0500 From: "Guy Story, KC5GOI" Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc Hey Chris, Last time I had to fix my glasses I used some copper wire I stripped from some wire lying around at work. Your new cart for the 2600 may make me just go out and find an old 2600 at the next ham swap meet I am at. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cracknell crackers@hwcn.org> To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc > >In article <8025667B.003CC0B6.00@mailer.zd.com>, you wrote: > >>But I am still a scientist by training, and outlook, and that makes me a >>rarity in business IT journalism. Okay, I'm a geek as well. I admit it. >~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ^~ > >I'm not just a geek... I'm KING OF THE GEEKS!!! > >To further prove my geekiness, not only have I turned an old 386 into a >file server for an old Atari 2600 video game system, but I recently finished >a new program for the 2600 that will be available shortly from >Hozer Video Games on cartridge. It's a digital video clock so when you're >not playing your atari you can plug in the cart and it will display the >time in scrolling rainbow numbers (in 12 or 24 hour format) and on top >a pair of animated sprites scroll by (the sprites change into different >characters every 10 minutes) and on the bottom another pair of animated >sprites scroll by (they change every hour). The sprites are actually >characters from different video games for the Atari 2600. > >This might be the first cartridge that non-atari 2600 collectors by since >it can be used as a decorative conversation piece. (Go to the local thrift, >buy a small B/W TV for $10 and an old atari for $5. Stick it on the book >shelf and have an interesting digital clock). As soon as I finish designing >a limited release label I'll be ready to roll (it's a common practice for >new 2600 carts to have two releases. One with a special limited edition >label for the hardcore collectors (and people who like to later auction >them off on Ebay at a rediculous amount) and then a generic release label >for those who missed the boat. The special edition is usually no more than >100 carts. > >Now if the fact that I'm doing all this for a videogame machine that's over >20 years old doesn't make me king of the geeks, one has only to look at >my Geekroom to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt about my geekdom! > >Plus, I recently broke my glasses and have fixed them with a white twist-tie. > > CRACKERS > (Lord of the Geeks from hell!!) > > >-- > >Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan >*** http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base *** >*** http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo | Hozer Video Games *** >Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:23:21 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc Had my glasses fixed with a paper clip and left 'em thet way for 2 years. And I collect comic books! I think I can claim myself as a fair competition for Geek prime. __Dave Thurlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:21:53 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc does crawling around on the floor cutting out huge pattern pieces of vintage clothing (which I am making for myself) make me a Geek? how about the cd i just bought... the music of Ancient Egypt performed on authentic traditional instruments Please let me into your club!! Robin T gothgeek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:04:25 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... Hej Jen, Welcome to Alloy, just joined myself 6-7 weeks ago after being a fan since 1981. The list is a godsend as I was beginning to believe that myself and my friends were the only Dolbyites left in existance! Have Fun... Trev B. (From Coventry, England) P.S.You'll find some delicious Parrotts in the animation vid of "Nuvogue" on the Gate To The Mind's Eye video.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:52:07 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc At 13:11 10/09/98 -0500, Guy wrote: > >Hey Chris, Last time I had to fix my glasses I used some copper wire I >stripped from some wire lying around at work. Your new cart for the 2600 >may make me just go out and find an old 2600 at the next ham swap meet I am >at. >Guy Whoops, another member de-lurks. Hello Guy (and hello Jennie as well). Nice to see a couple of new names on the list. I think geekiness is relative. I don't tend to think of myself as much of a geek, but then I think about how I've fixed the gear lever on my bike with a hose clip and small shelf support becasue I couldn't find the right parts for my aging cycle. And I'm sure a lot of the staff at work think of all of us in I.T. Support as geeks because we know a bit more computer jargon than the average user ...... and a bit more about how the system works as well. Dog dammit, I guess I AM a geek after all. Hell, I even used to be a train spotter (or if I was feeling posh, I'd refer to myself as a Ferro-equinologist). There are worse things than being a geek (not being one, for example). Slarvibarglhee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc In article <1a05f9aa.35f826d1@aol.com>, you wrote: >does crawling around on the floor cutting out huge pattern pieces of vintage >clothing (which I am making for myself) make me a Geek? >how about the cd i just bought... the music of Ancient Egypt performed on >authentic traditional instruments >Please let me into your club!! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ONE OF US.... ONE OF US.... ONE OF US..... Come, join us in the basement without shame. CRACKERS (We can all program in machine language together from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan *** http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base *** *** http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo | Hozer Video Games *** Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc In article , you wrote: >Had my glasses fixed with a paper clip and left 'em thet way for 2 years. And >I collect comic books! I think I can claim myself as a fair competition for >Geek prime. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Over in the corner, under the Atari Super Pong machine, Atari 7800, and assorted nintendo NES devices you find a number of large boxes filled almost to the bursting point with comic books. I also hacked a new keyboard for my Casio SK-1 sampler to give it fullsized keys (the keys were cannibalized from an old Intelevision music synth). And let's not forget... I play the accordion. CRACKERS (Homo geekus from hell!!!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan *** http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base *** *** http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo | Hozer Video Games *** Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:56:01 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc In a message dated 9/10/98 8:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, crackers@hwcn.org writes: << Over in the corner, under the Atari Super Pong machine, Atari 7800, and assorted nintendo NES devices you find a number of large boxes filled almost to the bursting point with comic books. I also hacked a new keyboard for my Casio SK-1 sampler to give it fullsized keys (the keys were cannibalized from an old Intelevision music synth). And let's not forget... I play the accordion. CRACKERS (Homo geekus from hell!!!!!) >> I bow to your greater geekitude. You have shown me the true path. __Dave Thurlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:24:30 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc Per the Geek discussion.. Okay.. my glasses also broke.. but they broke at the hinges.. so I took a gold elastic band from Christmas wrap and tied it to each end.. and viola... headband glasses!! They work great and always stay on my nose.. Now.. I really only need them for reading.. but can I use this as my entrance into the club? Hmm.. let's see... oh.. I also have an Atari .. but it's a 1040ST.. a monster containing ONE ENTIRE MEG of RAM.. !! I still use it faithfully to compose music though.. and it works like a charm. Now.. I bought it in Italy.. along with a keyboard.. but to use it here in the states I had to get a transformer made to step up the voltage from 110 to 220... I have it all wired and working wonderfully.. might this help in my quest for geekdom? Still thinking... Hmm... there must be something else around here.. Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:18:30 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Geeks and scientists etc Chris Cracknell wrote: > > In article <1a05f9aa.35f826d1@aol.com>, you wrote: > >does crawling around on the floor cutting out huge pattern pieces of vintage > >clothing (which I am making for myself) make me a Geek? > >how about the cd i just bought... the music of Ancient Egypt performed on > >authentic traditional instruments > >Please let me into your club!! > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > > ONE OF US.... ONE OF US.... ONE OF US..... > > Come, join us in the basement without shame. > > CRACKERS > (We can all program in machine language together from hell!!!) Say, I just started teaching myself 6502 machine language on my Apple //e (after fixing its powersupply)... just for fun, of course... can I be a geek too? Yours, E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:03:35 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: lurker seeks cioppino... Hi Folks, Well, I guess that sometimes being a procrastinator works in my favor on occasion. I was trying to figure out how to welcome Jen and let her know there are some scientists on the list without sounding like a complete egotist yet at the same time giving my compatriots their proper due. In the meantime, the beautiful, kind, charming, and intelligent Dr. Beth made me blush profusely by writing: > You will probably hear soon from Dr. Mary Brown, aka Europa -- > geneticist extraordinaire, Bay area resident, expert on all > things Dolby, and all-around lovely human being. And she managed to be equally as flattering to the other science types on the list! Great job, Beth! I think I'll hire you to do all my writing in the future. I was also gratified and a bit disconcerted to read that it seems Michael Luckey and Trevor (I love "The Wedding Album" btw) are not only going through my record collection but also through my closet! I love those side-buttoned shirts and had two of them that I wore out (well, actually they *snapped* on the side). I suppose if we and our man in Tasmania, John, are patient enough, they should come back in style sometime in the next decade since the hideous clothes of the '70s returned with a vengeance not so long ago. And am I the only one in search of Dolby specs? I had a pair of sunglasses which were like them and I nearly cried when they broke a couple of years ago (I even have an ad from the '80s for that type in which they are called "Dolby") and had some real glasses which were close (but no cigar). Incidentally, TMDR began his career by wearing his father's glasses which, if I remember correctly, he taped up so the geeks here are in good company. It galls me, though, that as far as I know he needs no vision correction... I've also been pleased to read the posts from Melissa and Chuck recently. I know I'm belated in this but best of luck to you, Queen of the Quad Cities. Chuck, I was really touched by your comments about not having the titles of "husband" or "daddy". Made me feel guilty about my tendency to male bash. I guess I've caught up here except to formally welcome Jen and to say hello to another lurker who posted so - Welcome, Jen! We'll have to chat sometime since my thesis work involved effects of some of the pollutants of Long Island Sound on winter flounder and Hello, Guy, it's always nice to hear a new voice. La Grande Geek du Dolby, Europa ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #241 ***************************