From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #194 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: new tap room [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: thanks Paul! [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: dreams etc. [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Geez, I go away for a fortnight and look what happens . . . ["Step] Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! ["Stephen M. Tilson" I know, so much work & anticipation went into the new phase of the Tap Room. Much appreciated... but still I have to say I miss the old format (inconsequential though it may be to reminisce at this point!) I agree. I much preferred the old Tap Room. It was much easier to keep track of conversations. As far as getting slower as threads were added, wouldn't it be possible to just have the system automatically delete the oldest threads? This message powered by World Party - Sunshine. I feel so happy now. ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "Etch out a future of your own design..." - Thomas Dolby _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:43:57 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: thanks Paul! Robin wrote, >After a really bad day today, during which a very good friend of mine (or so I thought) here in Boston is found to be lying to me/trying to screw with my life, I'm happy to say that our very own Paul Baily has restored my faith in the entire human race thanks to something really nice he said to me in an e-mail this evening. Which immediately brought to mind *all* of the many kindnesses of all of my friends here at Alloy, and how several wonderful people here have gone well out of their way to be nice & kind & friendly to me personally over the years. I want you all to know how much I will always appreciate this!!! > >getting all emotional >Robin T :) > Awww. Well, just having your smiling face around here always makes me feel good. (Honest! I'm not looking for brownie points! Just cookies!) ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "Etch out a future of your own design..." - Thomas Dolby _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:57:45 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: dreams etc. ... >I like this thought. Dave and I are planning to relocate this spring & will be leaving the Boston area. There are a number of good reasons for our doing this & while I'm excited to move on to the next stage of our lives together, it still makes me incredibly sad to think of leaving our friends here. Having Alloy will be like having a lifeline when we're first getting settled! You are all like an extended family to me. ... >Robin T Would you consider relocating to the Denver area? Everyone else seems to be, and we'd love to have your company! ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "Etch out a future of your own design..." - Thomas Dolby _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:12:58 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Geez, I go away for a fortnight and look what happens . . . Zowie! Paul the First abdicates. Robin is crowned Queen of Alloy! Now this is Really Big News. Hats off to both of you. "Long Live the Queen!" /\/\iles Foole at your service, m'lady. Thank you, Paul, for carrying us this far. I've got a feeling your karma account is all charged up! We all know you've done a lot of folks good just by keeping the doors open. Kudos, Bravo, and a job well done, Sir! Happy belated birthday to Chuck. We won't miss it next year, buddy. Robyn, Mary and I sincerely hope you're feeling better. Robbery is such a violation . . . Hope the bastard trips and breaks a leg or something. And my gratitude to those of you who wrote privately and publicly to endorse and encourage my PDoA to Europa. Thanks, and I'll try to keep it down in the future, just the same. Good fortune to us all, Stephen ********************************************************************* Interviewer: Do you hate white people, Miles? Miles Davis: Not all the time . . . ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:33:29 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! Greetings Friends! Here are some notes about the impending Birthday Tribute recording project. For JMac (and everyone): Your song(s) are due to be received by me on or before September 1st. I would like to address the project title. A while ago I asked for title ideas from the Alloyed and Keith has been the only one to participate so far, promoting his suggested title, "The Flat Cake." Nothing personal, Keith, but I'm somewhat lukewarm on that one. In one important context "flat" is a dirty word in the musical lexicon, suggesting something distinctly non- musical. Also, I am covering "The Flat Earth" for the Tribute and am uncomfortable with your suggestion as I feel it may cast an unfavorable light on my efforts. So, rather than just bitch, kindly allow me the opportunity to offer some other possible titles for our Labor of Love. Please read it and weep or laugh or make your own suggestions, but we'll have to vote on it just like last year, methinks. Title Suggestions for the Tribute Project: The Flat Cake For Tea and Sympathy (read as "Forty and Sympathy) For TMDR (read as "Forty MDR") 39 and You Need Some Leeway Alloy's Tribute - 1998 The Five O'Clock Show, "Alloy, Alloy" Dissonance The Ability to Sing The Gate to the Middle Age (just kidding) Oldvogue (kidding again) One of Our Subroutines (grins for Lee Jackson) I Want a New Tape, Alloy-O Beat(s) Nick(ed) from TMDR Meanwhile Keith has offered to do two very important tasks necessary to the completion our project, and if I haven't pissed him off yet maybe he'll still consider gracing us with his talents. The first is the design and production of j-cards to delight us, and the second is to duplicate the master CD (cost and shipping TBD) for anyone who would like their copy in that format. (Let's see . . . that would be me and just about everyone else, I'll wager.) Thanks Keith! The current situation is I will do the premastering of music and greetings (greeting mixdown by Ian Gifford) to DAT. This will be the source of cassette copies. The master DAT also will travel to Garland, Texas where Lee Jackson will apply some powerful professional mastering tools to create the CD version which will then go to Keith for duplication. Mr. Stansell also suggested adding multimedia enhancements to the disc: > How much I can include depends on the final length of the Audio > portion of the CD. But I am accepting contributions anyone would > like to have included in the CD-Rom portion of the CD. E-mail me > if you wish to contribute. Please remember that musical contributors have been invited to offer a Dolby cover *plus* an original tune or other cover which would be on the cassette b-side. We're now limited to 74 minutes (right?) in CD form, so multimedia additions should be second priority in deference to the original idea which has already been potentially limited by the change of format. Pursuant to that limitation I am asking musical contributors to keep their songs to five minutes or less. The deadlines are soon - we must resolve any open issues with all dispatch. Get on those keyboards and type if you've got something to contribute or commentary to make! Finally, here are the deadlines. GREETINGS: delivered to me by August 15th (so I can get them to Ian in a single format) That's THREE WEEKS AWAY. SONGS: delivered to me by SEPTEMBER 1st. Do the math. And let's vote on the title during the first week of August. Luck and good wishes, /\/\ix/\/\aster /\/\e ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:49:40 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Mmmm, Mmmm.... I wonder.. Messrs HEINZ & co, purveyors of the finest baked beans there are, could make use of "Wind Power" for music for one of their commercials. Sad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:39:10 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: new tap room - brief history of In a message dated 7/24/98 4:01:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dalexander@juno.com writes: << As far as getting slower as threads were added, wouldn't it be possible to just have the system automatically delete the oldest threads? >> I think all that was gone over at the time... that the posts might be shifted over to some kind of archive after a period of time had passed, or a thread hadn't been added to for some time. I don't know if it turned out to be possible. When the old Tap Room was finally taken off line there was much discussion of what the new one would be like, and I remember Thomas asking for our opinions and ideas, trying to find something new that would be suitable. There was a list of criteria which the new program had to follow, including that it preferably not require a membership fee & that it not get so clogged with old messages that the system crashed. As I recall, some of the people here were very helpful to him... regretfully I wasn't one of them, feeling I knew so very little about messageboard/chat software that my opinions on the matter would be worse than useless! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:13:16 -0400 From: "Beth Meyer" Subject: RE: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! Hi, folks; Well, among many other useful things, the ever-creative Stephen contributed the following list of title suggestions: The Flat Cake For Tea and Sympathy (read as "Forty and Sympathy) For TMDR (read as "Forty MDR") 39 and You Need Some Leeway Alloy's Tribute - 1998 The Five O'Clock Show, "Alloy, Alloy" Dissonance The Ability to Sing The Gate to the Middle Age (just kidding) Oldvogue (kidding again) One of Our Subroutines (grins for Lee Jackson) I Want a New Tape, Alloy-O Beat(s) Nick(ed) from TMDR I had thought of one other suggestion earlier, perhaps spurred by all my research with 70-year-olds: "The Golden Aging of Wireless" Of course, I didn't mind "The Flat Cake" either (though I would perhaps prefer "The Flat Birthday Cake"), but I can certainly see why a musical contributor would not want their efforts to be labeled "flat"! In trying to think of something that will go with Keith's absolutely wonderful idea for the J-card design (which I won't give away here), the only other thing I could think of was something like "Older than Dirt." Probably needs work. But actually, anything based on a song title from "The Flat Earth" would work great too, like "Dissonance" (but is that also a bit disrespectful to the musical selections contained therein?) Oh, well - just a few thoughts, anyway... Cheers, Beth Beth Meyer bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:17:16 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen M. Tilson >I would like to address the project title. A while ago I asked for title >ideas from the Alloyed and Keith has been the only one to participate so far, >promoting his suggested title, "The Flat Cake." Nothing personal, Keith, but >I'm somewhat lukewarm on that one. In one important context "flat" is a >dirty word in the musical lexicon, suggesting something distinctly non- >musical. Also, I am covering "The Flat Earth" for the Tribute and am >uncomfortable with your suggestion as I feel it may cast an unfavorable >light on my efforts. So, rather than just bitch, >kindly allow me the opportunity to offer some other possible titles for our >Labor of Love. Please read it and weep or laugh or make your own >suggestions, but we'll have to vote on it just like last year, methinks. > I think you're taking it a bit too personally /\/\iles. :) The title comes from my idea for the cover art. I suppose the cover art could remain the same under a different name with no musically deragatory tones. I guess the votes will see where we go. More suggestions by all those out there! >Meanwhile Keith has offered to do two very important tasks necessary to the >completion our project, and if I haven't pissed him off yet maybe he'll still >consider gracing us with his talents. (I suppose so - KS) >Mr. Stansell also suggested adding multimedia >enhancements to the disc: > > > How much I can include depends on the final length of the Audio > > portion of the CD. > >Please remember that musical contributors have been invited to offer a Dolby >cover *plus* an original tune or other cover which would be on the cassette >b-side. We're now limited to 74 minutes (right?) in CD form, so multimedia >additions should be second priority in deference to the original idea which >has already been potentially limited by the change of format. Exactly, the extra portion of the CD will be only be there if there is any space on the CD after the music. How much content would be adjusted. The format would just be in the form of html pages with some multimedia content. I suggest that we go to a 2-CD format if length requires it. One CD could be the tribute, the other the additional musical contributions. But no more than 90 minutes total so as to keep it tape length. - -Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:36:55 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Brian Clayton Subject: RE: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Beth Meyer wrote: > The Flat Cake > For Tea and Sympathy (read as "Forty and Sympathy) > For TMDR (read as "Forty MDR") > 39 and You Need Some Leeway > Alloy's Tribute - 1998 > The Five O'Clock Show, "Alloy, Alloy" > Dissonance > The Ability to Sing > The Gate to the Middle Age (just kidding) > Oldvogue (kidding again) > One of Our Subroutines (grins for Lee Jackson) > I Want a New Tape, Alloy-O > Beat(s) Nick(ed) from TMDR > > "The Golden Aging of Wireless" Howz about, "Live To Be A Hundred"? Certainly a birthday wish I would extend to TMDR... BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Monya De Subject: RE: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! > The Five O'Clock Show, "Alloy, Alloy" > Dissonance > The Ability to Sing These cracked me up. Especially Dissonance. Sounds like a Weird Al title. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:11:41 -0500 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Tribute Project --- time is growing short! On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >> The Five O'Clock Show, "Alloy, Alloy" >> Dissonance >> The Ability to Sing > > >These cracked me up. > >Especially Dissonance. Sounds like a Weird Al title. It'll probably be an accurate description of my submission (I'm doing Dissidents, don't ya know ). // Lee Jackson, Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. / 3D Realms Entertainment // http://bounce.to/ljackson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:50 -0500 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Mmmm, Mmmm.... On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:49:40 -0500, you wrote: > Messrs HEINZ & co, purveyors of the finest baked beans there are, > could make use of "Wind Power" for music for one of their commercials. Oh good lord. Commercial BreakWind? // Lee Jackson, Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. / 3D Realms Entertainment // http://bounce.to/ljackson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:09:10 -0400 From: "Curtis C. Hovey" Subject: Re: Alloy: new tap room (it can be reconfigured) >I agree. I much preferred the old Tap Room. It was much easier to keep >track of conversations. That can be done with a couple changes to the config file to turn off the active thread from rising to the top. Also, I can set the BBS forum view to display only the first message of a thread and when you wish to view one, the messages are presented as a digest. The URLs it generates will display as visited (That was fixed two days after the Valentines day announcement) when you return to the tap room so it is now easy to see the messages that have already been read. >As far as getting slower as threads were added, wouldn't it be possible >to just have the system automatically delete the oldest threads? The reson no threads are visible now is that only the current messages are visible without changing your preferences in search. I think the default preference is 30 days. The preferences are: date range day range by text by number (not useful to many people) view as digest cch. _______C u r t i s C. H o v e y______________________________________ mailto:chovey@access.digex.net mailto:chovey@nationalgeographic.com No matter where you go... http://www.access.digex.net/~chovey ...there you are ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #194 ***************************