From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #167 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, June 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Dr. Terenzi in da house [Monya De ] Re: : Alloy: Funding [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Eraserhead [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Get well Stephen [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Thanks, Paul!! [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Eraserhead ["Eric Tilleson" ] Re: Alloy: Eraserhead: Lynch Fun fact. ["Dan Swan" ] Alloy: I have an appointment at 2:30 (tooth hurty) [John Schofield Subject: Re: Alloy: Dr. Terenzi in da house Wouldn't you know?? A 5 minute ride from me....and I have concert tickets for that night. Monya On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Mary A. Brown wrote: > > To those Alloyed in the Bay Area, > Just thought you might like to know that Fiorella Tirenzi will be at > Printer's Inc in Palo Alto Wednesday, June 24 at 8 pm. I meant to > fire this off earlier but I got distracted since I had to take Stephen > for some oral surgery yesterday (a not-so-subtle plea for all of you > to send him healing wishes). > > Europa > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:23:20 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: I have a dream... Hey John.. LOL.. that was a very curious dream.. Enjoy the next one! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 21:22:07 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Fwd: Sheet Music Request G'day James, What great taste you have sir! I don't have a copy myself but I know 80 or so people who might! Hope you don't mind but I'm also forwarding this to a list called Alloy. It's full of some incredible friends of mine who know much more about the gentleman Dolby than I. I'm confident at least one of them will be able to help you with this. stay well, and my very best wishes for your wedding! Paul Baily. (That Alloy Guy) - --- TO ALLOY: Hi y'all, See below. Here's a call to arms! What an excellent choice of music for such an important occasion! Does anyone have a copy of this that they can send James' way? This is one track I thought about learning to play but gave up after the first few bars; just no way I could do it justice with my meager abilities let alone transpose to paper! BTW, James is not subscribed to Alloy so if you could cc him on your replies that'd be great. Failing that, just send them to me and I'll forward them on. cheers, Paul. This message powered by "Lovesong" off Mixed Up/The Cure. - ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 23/06 6:51 am Received: 23/06 8:41 am From: James Reindl, jreindl@ap.org To: JustSomeGuy, paulb@thehub.com.au Paul: I am getting married July 11, 1998 and want to have "Beauty of a Dream" from Astronauts and Heretics sung at the wedding. It has special meaning for my bride to be and me. Do you know anywhere I can get the sheet music for piano and vocal to this piece? Thanks. Sincerely, Jim Reindl Indianapolis, Indiana - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:36:32 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: : Alloy: Funding In a message dated 6/23/98 9:02:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Salrvi writes: << After all, one man's art is another's toilet paper. >> literally! The same "artist" I was just complaining about is also guilty of getting a bunch of white-washed pedestals, placing common objects such as a piece of plumbing, or a lawnmower, or a telephone, each on one of the pedestals (the object being completely unaltered in any way by the artist & bearing no relation to one another) and hanging a card beside each one that said 'untitled'. He didn't design any of these things, or make them from a kit, or even so much as clean them... they had nothing to do with him at all except that he placed them on pedestals & charged people to see them in a NYC gallery. I don't care if someone wants to do such a thing in their front yard, but to waste gallery space/funding/publicity for such a thing..! And the worst part is, the very worst part, is that galleries want to cater to this kind of 'freak show' atmosphere since of course the public flocks to such things, and will ignore the dedicated, talented painter/sculptor/photographer in favor of zero art/$$$$$. But, I suppose it's the same in any art form... fine arts... music... theater. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:45:23 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead In a message dated 6/23/98 9:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slarvi writes: << Then I saw Blue Velvet, which I need to see again as I think I lost the plot somewhere. I don't know any other of his films/series. >> See "The Elephant Man", based on the play about Mr John Merrick. David Lynch does a brilliant job with it, his style is perfect for this story; and of course the actors are fantastic (Anthony Hopkins, John Hurt). Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:49:42 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Get well Stephen In a message dated 6/24/98 12:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com writes: << I had to take Stephen for some oral surgery yesterday (a not-so-subtle plea for all of you to send him healing wishes). >> GET WELL SOON, Stephen!!!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 23:20:45 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Thanks, Paul!! 'ello! >just wanted to let you know the magazine you sent me has arrived safely, >thanks so much!! Most welcome hon! > You look fantastic in the photo! Aw shucks. :) > I haven't had time to read >your column yet.. I'll bring it with me tomorrow morning when I go to >have my >hand x-rayed (AAARGHHHH...!!!! :) I'll tell y'all the grim facts later, but >it's nothing spectacular so don't worry) and all the technicians will ask >what >this wonderful magazine is, where they can get a copy, and who is that >incredible man on the left, on page 79? BTW, your friend has a nice VAN DYKE >beard configuration. Paul, you should model! Er...gosh! Thankya! I've never gotten fanmail before. It's um... I don't know what to say... gosh! (I know, imagine that, PB lost for words!) >"All is Revealed", eh? Hey, what gives, Paul... that's MY gig, isn't it? ;) Heh! Well y'know I did tell them 'just go for the one with me wearing the sunnies and the smile' but somehow it got mangled into 'go for the one with me wearing just the sunnies and the smile'... Never figured it would make for the cover headline but. ;) Hope your hand is better, Paul. This message powered by "Pulp Culture: The Lissu Version"/Lissu/TMDR. P.S. Lissu, I'm sorry, I owe you email bigtime, my thoughts are with you though, you do good, girl, /never/ forget that! P.P.S. To the tape people, my picks must be about the last ones to be sent, sorry. Will try to finish it off and get it out the door this w/e barring unforseen events. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:45:21 -0700 From: "Eric Tilleson" Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead In a message dated 6/23/98 8:56:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com writes: << Does anyone else here like "Eraserhead", one of the most gruesome films ever made ? >> Hello. First posting to this list, so of course it's totally off topic. Eraserhead was amazing, although I wouldn't refer to it as gruesome. The horror of the film is largely psychological rather than splatter, although there are grotesque moments. The cumulative effects of the oddness, the strange, slow rhythm of the film and the constant undertow of the mechanical atmosphere add up to a jarring view. A comparison with The Texas Chainsaw Massacre comes to mind - for all it's reputation, only something like three people die and none graphically. It's really quite a piece of work when it comes to the power of suggestion, and very disturbing. For any fans of David Lynch, I would have to unreservedly recommend a film by Lars von Trier called The Kingdom. It's something of a cross between ER and Twin Peaks, all taking place in a haunted Danish hospital. It's some four and a half hours long and all in Danish, but don't let that dissuade you - when it ends, you'll want more. It's marvelous fun, and genuinely spooky in places. The sequel, The Kingdom II, has just come out here in the States and is nearly as wonderful (and just as long). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 14:57:18 MDT From: "Dan Swan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead: Lynch Fun fact. In college, Lynch roomed with Peter Wolf, Lead singer of the J Giels Band (rememebr the single 'centerfold').. Lynch eventually kicked Wolf out, as he was 'too weird'. What does one have to do to be deemed 'too weird' by David Lynch? ............................................................................. "And if you want to Swan, one to one... kid, we don't need a pond." -Prefab Sprout Having graduated, I will soon be losing my U of C account. If your E-mail to me should bounce, please re-direct it to: swan_daniel@hotmail.com ............................................................................. ICQ#: 14324013 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:48:22 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Kingdom In a message dated 6/24/98 11:48:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, erictil@edmark.com writes: << I would have to unreservedly recommend a film by Lars von Trier called The Kingdom. It's something of a cross between ER and Twin Peaks, all taking place in a haunted Danish hospital. It's some four and a half hours long and all in Danish, but don't let that dissuade you - when it ends, you'll want more. It's marvelous fun, and genuinely spooky in places. The sequel, The Kingdom II, has just come out here in the States and is nearly as wonderful (and just as long). >> Melissa & my husband Dave & I are fans of this film too... though wasn't it a Danish tv series to start with (now I can't remember!!) Anyway, we saw the ad for the sequel just a couple of days ago & we really want to go. Thanks for the review. We can't wait to see what happens! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:56:19 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Thanks, Paul!! In a message dated 6/24/98 9:22:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paulb@thehub.com.au writes: << Hope your hand is better >> yes it's fine, thanks. I din't get a chance to show my nice new magazine to everyone in Radiology though because I was too busy wishing I could strangle the receptionist! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:03:11 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead At 08:45 24/06/98 -0700, Eric Tilleson wrote: > >Eraserhead was amazing, although I wouldn't refer to it as gruesome. The >horror of the film is largely psychological rather than splatter, although >there are grotesque moments. Exactly. He creates a horrific atmosphere without a lot of gratuitous violence. V e r y clever. I'll have to keep an eye open for The Kingdon, though I may have to watch it in installments. BTW nice to hear from another lurker, Eric. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:03:00 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead At 07:45 24/06/98 EDT, Robin wrote: > >See "The Elephant Man", based on the play about Mr John Merrick. David Lynch >does a brilliant job with it, his style is perfect for this story; and of >course the actors are fantastic (Anthony Hopkins, John Hurt). > >Robin T > > I've seen this a couple of times, but didn't realise it was a Lynch job. Now that I DO know, it makes sense. It IS an excellent movie. The casting was superb too. I don't think I've ever seen Hopkins in anything he didn't do a good job of. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:03:07 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: : Alloy: Funding At 07:36 24/06/98 EDT, Robin wrote: > >In a message dated 6/23/98 9:02:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Salrvi writes: > ><< After all, one man's > art is another's toilet paper. >> > >literally! The same "artist" I was just complaining about is also guilty of >getting a bunch of white-washed pedestals, placing common objects such as a >piece of plumbing, or a lawnmower, or a telephone, each on one of the >pedestals (the object being completely unaltered in any way by the artist & >bearing no relation to one another) and hanging a card beside each one that >said 'untitled'. There you are, you see, you're missing the WHOLE POINT of this exhibition ;-) People take these things for granted because they see them every day. The GENIUS of this artist is to bring your attention to them, to make you appreciate the artistry of the people who designed them in the first place......... erm, excuse me, my tongue is now completely stuck in me cheek. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:52:41 -0400 From: Michelle and Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Discover magazine! Beth Meyer wrote: > By the way, in the Sound category (for which TMDR gave the award), the > judges included Todd Rundgren and Ray Charles. Wonder if they were at the > ceremony, too... Unfortunately, they were not at the ceremony. I do have many pictures of Thomas and his performance (which I have yet to get developed). They will be on my website as soon as the are developed and scanned. I also have video of Thomas' performance. The performance was interesting. It entailed a group of musicians on some strange instruments backing Thomas up. While Thomas used a computer with Beatnik to interject samples like "Science!" and "Beatnik" into the song. The attendance at the event was actually very minimal. The event was not well advertised, and began after park closing. Most of the people there were related to the presenters and award receivers in some way. The event was professionally taped, but no one knew if it was being recorded for broadcast. There was a fellow there from "Inside Space" on the Sci-fi channel, and he mentioned that some clips may be played (probably not of Thomas though). - -Russ > > Cheers, > Beth > > Beth Meyer > bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:13:37 -0600 From: Keith Stansell Subject: Re: Alloy: Eraserhead Lynch's movies make me squirm, I think I like them for that reason. I'm still trying to figure out Lost Highway. Keith Stansell Denver, CO __________________________________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote: > > At 08:45 24/06/98 -0700, Eric Tilleson wrote: > > > > >Eraserhead was amazing, although I wouldn't refer to it as gruesome. > The > >horror of the film is largely psychological rather than splatter, > although > >there are grotesque moments. > > Exactly. He creates a horrific atmosphere without a lot of gratuitous > violence. > V e r y clever. > > I'll have to keep an eye open for The Kingdon, though I may have to > watch it > in installments. > > BTW nice to hear from another lurker, Eric. > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:48:22 +-1000 From: John Schofield Subject: Alloy: I have an appointment at 2:30 (tooth hurty) Yo Stephen, Hope you've recovered from what is perhaps the most dreaded form of torture in todays society. O O L UUUUUUUUU nnnnnnn#nnnn John (john@police.tas.gov.au) ps. is that why I didn't see you at the party the other night? This message powered by a Dentist's drill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:58:59 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: : Alloy: Funding In a message dated 6/24/98 6:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Slarvi writes: << People take these things for granted because they see them every day. The GENIUS of this artist is to bring your attention to them, to make you appreciate the artistry of the people who designed them in the first place......... erm, excuse me, my tongue is now completely stuck in me cheek. >> :) I'll bet whenever you see a review of a show like that, you'll think of me with smoke coming out of my ears, cursing up a storm. robin T 'unfinished' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:05:08 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Discover magazine! In a message dated 6/24/98 7:51:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Russ writes: << I do have many pictures of Thomas and his performance (which I have yet to get developed). They will be on my website as soon as the are developed and scanned. I also have video of Thomas' performance. The performance was interesting. It entailed a group of musicians on some strange instruments backing Thomas up. While Thomas used a computer with Beatnik to interject samples like "Science!" and "Beatnik" into the song. >> Thanks Russ... it's good to hear about the event. I'm dying of curiosity about these strange instruments which Thomas' band played. Let us know when you've got the photos up on your page! It's so exciting :) I'm quite happy it was such an 'exclusive' event. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:08:17 -0400 From: "Beth Meyer" Subject: RE: Alloy: Eraserhead: Lynch Fun fact. Hi, folks; Well, it appears that we have found yet another taste that we mostly have in common. Mark and I are also big David Lynch fans, even in spite of the "Eraserhead" migraine incident. In addition to the films, we were big "Twin Peaks" fans. What came out late in that show (as most of the world apparently tuned out) was the guy's often inspired sense of humor. Anyone remember Lynch's small part on the show as Kyle MacLachlan's hearing-impaired-but-in-denial boss? Or Manuel Ferrer as Albert Rosenfield, the FBI agent whose sarcasm should have been registered as a lethal weapon? The most obscure Lynch work I've ever seen, but also the funniest, was a very short-lived television show called "On the Air." I think they only made about six episodes and aired even fewer - we only saw one and then it was gone. But that one episode had us laughing to the point of gasping for air. It appeared shortly after "Twin Peaks" and featured a couple of actors from that show, notably Manuel Ferrer as a sardonic TV executive. It portrayed a live TV-variety show in 1957, which would apparently be OK (if mediocre) in rehearsals but descend into total chaos when broadcast. In the one that we saw, the egotistical lead actor of the show ended up delivering a dog food commercial while hanging upside-down from a rope tangled around his feet, swaying ever so slightly from side to side... Well, maybe you had to be there. Apparently, we were the only people who liked it. Cheers, Beth P.S. Many healing wishes to Stephen's mouth and Robin's hand! Beth Meyer bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #167 ***************************