From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #163 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Sunday, June 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Happy Father's Day [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] Re: Alloy: Futbol [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: On a point of order [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] Re: Alloy: Moonchild [Keith Dawe ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:51:14 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Happy Father's Day At 23:52 18/06/98 EDT, Robin wrote: > >a very Happy Father's Day, to all you big daddies in Alloyland!!! :) >xxxx >Robin T > > Thanks v. much. I had forgotten it was coming up this week end. I wonder if the kids have remembered. I bet Mrs Slarvibarglhee will have reminded them. The question is, how many original Wallace and Gromit gifts will they have found that they haven't bought me already. Or maybe they'll just allow me to use my own car for the day. We shall see. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:51:09 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: On a point of order At 22:56 18/06/98 -0700, Brian wrote: > > >Well, they might oxidize, which is what rusting is, only the results are >green instead of red... > >BC > But that's known as corrosion, isn't it? It'd be trickier to make 'corrode' scan, but I think it could be done. I'm afraid I have a nasty habit of picking up on these illogical or grammatically incorrect lyrics. e.g. The Stone Roses "Fool's Gold' has a line 'This pack on my back is aching.' Well, that's nonsense; the pack doesn't ache, but the back might. I sometimes wonder if lyricists struggle with this type of thing, or don't care as long as it scans. Of course, with some it doesn't matter, as the songs don't mean anything anyway. Jon Anderson's lyrics were often not understood at all by the rest of Yes, and he couldn't explain a lot of them himself. Perhaps it doesn't do to examine these things too closely. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:38:36 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: On a point of order In a message dated 6/20/98 9:53:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Slarvi writes: << I sometimes wonder if lyricists struggle with this type of thing, or don't care as long as it scans. Of course, with some it doesn't matter, as the songs don't mean anything anyway. Jon Anderson's lyrics were often not understood at all by the rest of Yes, and he couldn't explain a lot of them himself. >> A lot of these song lyrics should probably be taken as 'beat poetry', sort of like Naked Lunch. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Crete On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > > > Kalimèra ! > > Crete was hot, and for the first few days I wasn't very well, due to a > stress-related illness. Then I contracted the shits, which didn't help > the situation, either. I was tired for the first few days; all I > wanted to do was sleep, but the ever-so-touristy Béatrice insisted > that we *do* all the famous spots, like the Palace of Knossos. So we > covered hundreds of kilometers in our little Clio hire car. > > Some bits *were* good, like the ex-leper colony on the Isle of > Spinalonga, and the Plains of Lassithi are worth a visit, but trudging > for three hours through the Gorges of Samaria was taxing. > > The hotel food was really crap; it was in the form of a "serve > yourself buffet", and if you arrived at 8-45 (it closed at 9pm) there > was literally bugger all left, the Germans in the hotel had eaten all. > The hotel favoured the German tourists, and the waitresses always > seemed to serve them first. > > On the last day, for the return flight, I bought a paperback to read, > which was about the invasion of Crete 1941, eyewitness accounts from > Brits, Aussies, NZ's, Greeks and Germans alike. This I found very > moving, and I wished that I'd read it sooner, so I could have > appreciated the history of the Island better. To me, 20th Century > history is more interesting than Greek mythology. > > MTCBWY, and your Tsatsiki > > John > > PS No, I didn't find OFI Crete's stadium until we flew over it on the > way out. > > PPS USA 1 Iran 0... you saw it here first. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Futbol Sorry about that erroneous message. John, thanks for the vote of confidence there ;). We're gonna have a party to watch the game. How about that 4-0 France win! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > PPS USA 1 Iran 0... you saw it here first. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:11:15 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: On a point of order At 10:38 20/06/98 EDT, Robin wrote: > > >A lot of these song lyrics should probably be taken as 'beat poetry', sort of >like Naked Lunch. > >Robin T > Absolutely! As long as it sounds OK, I don't really mind. Songs don't HAVE to mean anything, some just sound good. The Cocteau Twins have made a career of this. In fact, I sometimes find that songs (or song writers) that are supposedly deeply meaningful can be a complete turn off for me. But then I'm a bit of a Philistine in respect of some art forms. As we are wont to say up in't north of England, I don't know what art is, but I know what I like. Some possible feather ruffling coming right up. Generally speaking I can't stand poetry. If I'm reading a novel that has 'songs' or poems, I find I just can't read them. The Lord of the Rings is a prime example. If I could hear the songs set to music, I might be able to listen to them, but when I come to any of the verses I that are longer than just a couple of short verses I simply skip them. I always hated poetry at school as well, and I've never changed my attitude to it. I can't stand opera either. It seems such a waste of time and effort, especially when I can't understand what they're wailing about if it's not in English. I've tried watching it with sub-titles, but it seems rediculous. Some geezer usually gets killed, then his moll gets all upset about it and a load of people come on and sing about it, sort of like .... Moll: 'Oh no, he is dead.' Moll's friend: 'Is he dead?' Moll: 'Yes, he is dead' Moll's friend: 'Is he really deaaaaaaaaad?' Moll: 'Yes, he is really deaaaaaaaaaad.' Chorus: 'Is he dead?' Moll & friend : 'Yes, he is dead' Chorus: 'Is he really deaaaaaaaaad?' Moll & friend : 'Yes, he is really deaaaaaaaaaad.' Chrous: 'Oh no, he is really deaaaaaaaaaad.' Thug 2: 'Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!' Thug 1: 'De guy's wasteeeeeeeeeeeeed!' ...... it goes on like this for about ten minutes, then the curtain closes and after the interval they do it all again when the moll takes her own life in a fit of pique. Ballet is just as bad, but without the singing. I quite like some paintings though. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:43:50 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Book question > I must ask, since lately some of us have mentioned our favorite books here. > There's a children's book called Ordinary Jack, written by Helen Cresswell & > published in America in 1977 by Avon books, which I've had since I was > little... it's the first book in a three-book series about this English family > (the Bagthorpes) Sadly neither of the later books ever landed in my > possession. I'd do just about anything to find them now... I read Ordinary > Jack to my husband last year & he loved it, so now we have to find out what > happens next! Has anyone here at Alloy ever heard of this series of books? Never heard of them, but if you'd give me the titles of the second two books, I would be happy to put them on my list of things to look for when I make my regular used bookstore rounds! Not only do I love books, I love looking at them, touching them, smelling them, sorting them, finding them... (: I love reading aloud and being read to as well! My mom read to me until I was 13, and I read to my little brother for many years. Copse is right, it's really sweet and romantic that you read to your husband.. (: Turquoise and I occasionally read to one another over the telephone, though it's not -quite- the same as 'twould be in person! Yours, E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:42:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: Moonchild On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/15/98 7:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omega writes: > > << Speaking of moonchildren, that > would be me, being born in July. :) >> > > happy birthday soon! What day should I light the candles? It's the 8th. But in lieu of birthday cake, kindly send a donation to the Home for Deranged Scientists. ;-) - --omega ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #163 ***************************