From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #103 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, April 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Thomas in performance... [Paul Baily ] Alloy: Hello out there [Elaine Linstruth ] Alloy: Oh yeah [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Hello out there [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] Re: Alloy: Hello out there [DAbbitt32 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 20:41:32 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas in performance... >then Paul wrote, in a mischievously conspiratorial tone : ><< I mean, well, I /could/ tell you, but... > no I really shouldn't: he asked me to say nothing... > Well okay, he didn't outright say 'Paul, don't say anything about the new > project...' but I'd feel bad releasing any info prematurely. I mean I'd > be betraying a confidence. You know how it is. Besides... > ...that'd mean I'd have to know something, myself. > >> > >To which I must reply: > >that project I sense Thomas is working on - I was innocently referring to >Headspace, and all that it must entail. >The longed-for 'one-night-only' gig may be a one nighter for the audience, >but >it would most likely be a somewhat major organizational wrestling match for >Thomas, as he seems to strive for perfection when it comes to his music & >would want things to be just right for his audience to enjoy. >I still like the 'phone marauder' approach to performing. He wouldn't even >have to put down his coffee, or abandon the comfort of his swivel-chair! Oh /that/ project! Sorry lovie, misread entirely. In that case I really shouldn't say anything at all. ;) Paul. This message powered by "Fascination Street (Extended Mix)" off Mixed Up/The Cure. You just /have/ to play this one loud! ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au JustSomeGuy http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane tel: +61-7-3857-8048/+61-411-875-009 Australia and this is opening time down on Fascination Street ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Hello out there Well, I hope no one minds, but I'll add my two cents on recent topics. It's happened before, but the CD I've purchased that I found most disappointing is Jewel "Pieces of You." Don't flame me, I know people like her. But to me, she sings one damn song, just changes the words a bit each time. I find it unlistenable. And then she either sings off key or in that babydoll voice; so since I can't abide that as entertainment, I just wash my hands of the whole mess. Btw, the disc was a freebie from my membership with BMG, so at least I have that. On the up side, while I knew of Crowded House of course.. some Alloyeds' deep affection for them has coaxed me to listen more carefully, and to more of their work, and I must say I'm quite glad I did. My current favorite song by them is "Fall at your Feet." re: Teletubbies.. my 14-month-old digs the opening sequence (song and dancing little whatever-they-ares). The rest doesn't engage her at all, which is probably a good thing. But they are indeed wacked out and scary to the uninitiated. If you're scared of them, just remember -- it's Barney without the ditties and minus any educational value. If my daughter is indicative, the show is just good for getting babies to giggle sporadically. I have no idea if the critics are founded when they complain that the tubbies speak in baby talk, which is harmful in some way. I did have a Thomas related question. If he has said (basically) that composing music is a part of his life that is over, then which of the following is true: 1. music composed for the web is somehow not the same thing, or 2. compositions such as Algarve and the others are old compositions. I've been wondering about that. I will be leaving for a month-long trip next week. Be good while I'm gone! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Oh yeah One thing I forgot -- yes, we're big huge futbol fans here. We tried to figure out a way to attend the World Cup in France in June/July. Lucky you! Please tell us if you attend any matches and how you enjoy it. Go Galaxy! (Well MLS deserves our support....) ;) - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:29:24 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Hello out there At 10:08 17/04/98 -0700, Elaine wrote: > > >re: Teletubbies.. my 14-month-old digs the opening sequence (song and >dancing little whatever-they-ares). The rest doesn't engage her at all, >which is probably a good thing. But they are indeed wacked out and scary >to the uninitiated. If you're scared of them, just remember -- it's >Barney without the ditties and minus any educational value. If my >daughter is indicative, the show is just good for getting babies to giggle >sporadically. I have no idea if the critics are founded when they >complain that the tubbies speak in baby talk, which is harmful in some >way. > All of this has been debated over here in England, where the 'tubbies are now achieving cult status, and the teeny tinies LOVE them. Is there anything WRONG with watching some programmes that have no educational value? Can't children watch such programmes just because they like them? Does everything YOU watch have to have something other than entertainment value? As far as the baby talk is concerned, THAT debate has been done to death as well. Can I just say that *I* grew up watching 'Bill & Ben, The Flowerpot Men,' who spent most of their time saying things like 'Flubablub, Weed' (the 'Weed' in question being 'Little Weed,' an animated plant who lived in their garden) and 'Ohhhhhhh, flubbablub.' Despite this, I can now speak in what is a passing semblance of English. And don't forget, an awful lot of PARENTS talk to their babies in 'baby talk,' but most grow up managing to speak their native language to an acceptable degree. IMO a lot of rubbish is talked about the harm that some children's programmes cause, but where's the evidence to substantiate it? Surely a lot more damage is likely to be done by the more 'adult' programmes that their parents allow them to watch. Sorry, this was not a flame directed at Elaine, or anyone else, I just want to ensure we keep a sense of perspective on this subject. I shall now jump down of my soap box. TTFN Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: teletubbies Sorry Slarv, my original post was intended to sound more lighthearted & a bit sarcastic than a second read proved. I've got no real problem with them at all. I long-ago declared my household to be a Barney-Free Zone, but that's because the damned purple beast's songs were spending too much time in my head throughout any given day. In that sense, the Teletubbies are far more palatable. As for Elizabeth's television viewing, I see them as little more than an age-appropriate mobile, much like the one she used to have hanging over her crib. They have been compared to Sesame Street, which speaks in proper English (no baby talk anyway) and concentrates on certain letters and numbers.. so that's probably why some people feel the need to point out that the Teletubbies' educational content is very thin by comparison. I just hope that Barbie song is a thing of the past when she gets to be that age. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:20:19 EDT From: DAbbitt32 Subject: Re: Alloy: Hello out there In a message dated 98-04-17 13:27:54 EDT, Elaine wrote: << It's happened before, but the CD I've purchased that I found most disappointing is Jewel "Pieces of You." Don't flame me, I know people like her. But to me, she sings one damn song, just changes the words a bit each time. I find it unlistenable. And then she either sings off key or in that babydoll voice; so since I can't abide that as entertainment, I just wash my hands of the whole mess. Btw, the disc was a freebie from my membership with BMG, so at least I have that. >> I would tend to agree with you about the Jewel CD. I bought it after hearing her first single, and was rather disappointed with the album as a whole. Not only was each song annoyingly similar, the engineering of the tracks themselves sucked. You might note that each single released since she's become the it-girl has been re-recorded with a more lush sound and new arrangementss. - -Dabb ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #103 ***************************