From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #82 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re[5]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" [dalexander@juno.com (De] Alloy: We now return to our regularly scheduled program. Thank you. [dal] Alloy: Attitude, Lissu, It's all in your head. [dalexander@juno.com (Denn] Alloy: More musings on music, Thomas, and making ditties. [Ulfstedt Louis] RE: Re[4]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" [Ulfstedt Louise ] RE: Re[2]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" [Ulfstedt Louise ] Re: Alloy: Captain Bee Fart [IT Admin - Govt Office North West >Paul. >This message powered by Into The Wild from Measure for Measure/Icehouse. coolness!!! ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) - www.dennisa.com "It's never your Aptitude that determines your Altitude, but always your Attitude!" -Rudy Revak _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:17:53 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: We now return to our regularly scheduled program. Thank you. I'm back home with my Juno email now. Finally! Three weeks! I have two motherboards and swapped them between cases not realizing that the serial cables leading from the motherboard to the case were wired different for each motherboard! Man! It just didn't make any sense, till I found it. 'Hyup. Yep, this teknowogy stuff sure get ya every time, don't it!' - ---Powered by Bjork - Homogenic. Classical meets the dance club of the future! ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) - www.dennisa.com "It's never your Aptitude that determines your Altitude, but always your Attitude!" -Rudy Revak _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:27:18 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Attitude, Lissu, It's all in your head. Lissu wrote, >ARRGHHH! I've done it again! >Darling JAMAC, I was blowing off some steam,....t'was tongue-in-cheek, Don't worry, I was enjoying the chat myself. You can vent on me anytime! >and my railing wasn't really aimed at you, my dear, just the world in general! >I guess I felt P***ed off about the fact that I will probably never get >the stable income I get from my job by making music, but that if I could, I >feel it would be at the price or privacy and reputation. Buggerit. That's >why I feel sorry for anyone that does make it. T'is a major bummer,.. >wouldn't you say? Mmmm, if they deserve the success. I just learn to enjoy the success of having written my own music for myself to enjoy. And if somebody else gets a kick out of it, then even better. I don't expect to ever become famous because I just don't have the time nor the desire for it. I've more important things to do. It's not that I'm saying that I'm good enough to be a star, um, well, maybe. If I think I can, it's only because I believe I can. Not to change the subject but this is something I feel very strongly about and am trying to spread the word about . . . But, I have slowly learned and discovered that our minds have been trained wrong for the most part, over our lifetimes. They always put the red marks on the ones we got wrong, for example. It's only been recently that I have truly learned the power of the mind. If you believe you can, you can. If you believe you can't, you can't. Skill is not a concern. Skill may be something that you need to acquire, but anyone can, if they believe they can. If you failed at anything, it was because you either believed that perhapse you were not good enough, or, you havn't applied yourself wholeheartedly enough (with adequate time) to aquire the skill for such task. I say this, dear Lissu, as I understand your anguish. But, if you really want to become famous with your music, DON'T EVER BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T BE GOOD ENOUGH! . . . And you will succeed! "There is no such thing as special people, only average people who do some special things." - Rudy Revak, Entrepeneur, Multi-Millionaire, cross-country Harley cruiser, all-around great guy. Just an added note. Make sure that everything you do benefits, not only yourself, but others as well. And you will go far, no matter what your goal! >I promise I won't take my Kendo stick to your head ever >again,....(she hangs her head) at least,...not unless you ask me to, anyway :-) Aw, what the heck! Have a go at it! >BTW, are you into Bun-Fu or Dry roasted peanuts? Er, um, not that I'm TRYING to look like a social bugger, but I'm still a little hazy as to what Bun-Fu is. I know, I know, we've been using it for years now, but, even after Slarvi's recent definition, I'm still a bit hazy. As regards to your little day-dream at the end of the bar; I'm not certified but I sparred for years with a buddy who was a self-taught Aikido (sp?) dude. We had to stop when we started inflicting just a little too much pain and injury upon each other. It seems once you reach a certain level or comfort zone with a partner, you can't back off, no matter how hard you try to restrain yourself. And as far as peanuts go . . . I'm vegetarian ;-) ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) - www.dennisa.com "It's never your Aptitude that determines your Altitude, but always your Attitude!" -Rudy Revak _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:47:14 +0200 From: Ulfstedt Louise Subject: Alloy: More musings on music, Thomas, and making ditties. Hi Dabb, Welcome back! > Why feel sorry for anyone that does "make it" (whatever that implies)? There > is a sure tradeoff that comes with stardom in any business that > requires the > patronage of the general public. That doesn't mean an artist can't > survive > financially or make a living without attaining stardom. Many of those > who > make that trade between relative privacy and the public life that > comes with > fame were seeking such rewards. > Success, or "making it", is subjective. Perhaps, especially as > artists, we > should all spend less time looking forward to the goal (i.e. success) > and more > time focusing on the growth we experience on the way there. I feel > sad for > you, Lissu, in that you are dissatisfied with merely not being able to > rely on > your music for monetary gain, and at the same time dissatisfied with > the > prospects of the fame that any financial success based on your music > may > provide. You place yourself in a no-win situation, and one that's > sure to > stunt your growth. > > -Dabb > Well,...If it was me alone, I'd be perfectly willing live on baked beans and starve for my career,.. (considering the tiny market for dance music over here,..it would be perfectly possible :-) ) but the crux of the matter is that working full-time, plus several evenings a week to support myself and my student husband leaves me little time make music (this isn't a sacrifice, mind you, but a choice) which might also go to explain my frustration. LIke, ( I think it was JAMAC) said I believe that you can achieve anything if you set your mind to it. I'm just biding my time, waiting, and lurking (like I do on this list most of the time!) until the time is good. Making some kind of a living from music would be nice if it gave me a chance to,...do more music! I'm certainly not dissatisfied about the prospects of fame or monetary gain,...I don't think I want either. I think the nicest things to happen are playing live and getting audience feedback. Perhaps even gaining some respect as a musician. What I was getting at was the fact that it's difficult to distribute music unless it's "commercially viable",..you can argue that we make music only for ourselves, but I feel personally, that anyone who says that is in denial,...it's sometimes the rapport you feel with an audience, whether live, or through a recording, that makes you feel like it's worthwhile. It's not just a cliche to say that, it someone likes your music, you feel a connection to that person, which transcends any differences you might have with them. It's a great feeling, and doesn't apply just to music, but to any artform. And feedback is what helps us to improve too. This is why I admire TMDR so much for what he's doing with Headspace,...working on software that will give us lowly musicians a chance to copyright, distribute and reach out to people with our music via the internet. For the first time, we will have a chance to reach out further than we ever imagined :-) (WHEN IS THAT PC VERSION OF THE BEATNIK EDITOR COMING; THOMAS???!!!!) And yeah,..I'm sure it's a bit of a no-win situation, I'm sure this money-to-live-at-the-price-of-fame thing is a prospect that scares a lot of musicians...maybe that's life (sorry to be whingy & whiney):-) I guess after seeing my parents (both professional folk-musicians) end up tired of music after years of playing "pop"-folk to unappreciative audiences just to make ends meet, I'm aware too that the price of fame wouldn't be worth it if you have to compromise quailty in your music. The GOOD thing is, though, that Dance music, which I'm involved in, has a wonderful tendency to be faceless, meaning it's much easier to make music on a reasonable scale without the whole commercial-fame thingy.So as to that, let's wait and see what happens when my husband finally graduates,...maybe then I can have some fun doing some "serious" dance music,.... :-) Anyway,...nice to have you back! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:23:59 +0200 From: Ulfstedt Louise Subject: RE: Re[4]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" Hi John (et all!) Don't worry about the mistaken nationality bit,...I'm non too sure of what nationality I am these days anyway,....all I can say with certainty is that I ain't blonde. Sometimes I feel like hiding my nationality because everyone seems to be so enamoured of Finnish/Scandinavian looks :-) Finland isn't far,...just a ferry ride away from Stockholm to my home town of Turku,...drop by anytime! C ya! Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > Sent: 20 March 1998 23:09 > To: 'alloy@smoe.org' > Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" > > Hello all !!! > > Louise - apologies for the mistaken nationality bit; just saw the > > address & put 2 & 2 together. > > I've sent a horrible mugshot of me (The Stade Furiani, Bastia, > looks > much more attractive than I on it) to Paul; I don't know where > the > gallery is - if someone would be as gracious as to send me the > address > then life would be complete. > > Have a great weekend, everyone, > > May the cube be with you, and your smorgasbord > > John. > > > PS: I hope to be working in Sweden soon, or at least a couple of > looong visits... is Finland far ??? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > > Sent: 19 March 1998 18:26 > > To: 'alloy@smoe.org' > > Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" > > > > Hello all > > > > and to Louise, first time I've received a mail from you... I've > > > been > > told by an expert in these matters that Finnish girls are some > of > > the > > prettiest in the world. > > > Yes they are,...but not only am I British, but I'm also > the > only brunette I know living around here, so don't make me feel any > worse > about it! > You can get a real complex about living over here, > believe > me :-) (Maybe I should just go and dye my hair,...grumble, grumble, > mutter,...) > > > > It was actually Underworld, and as far as that type of music > > > goes, > > > "Lager" wasn't a bad little ditty. > > > > aaaahhh no, ARRGHH,....did I really say underground??!! > > AGAIN!??!! > That must be third time I've done that, and it's more > embarrassing everytime I mix them up. (she skulks away in > embarrasment) > > > For pop music, read: > > > > > The Kane Gang ("Don't Look Any Further") > > > Saint Etienne ("Only Love Can Break Your Heart") > > > Scritti Politti ("The Sweetest Girl") > > > Etienne Daho ("Weekend à Rome") > > Lloyd Cole ("Forest Fire") > > Jamiroquai ("Alright") > > > Well, I love Scritti, St. Etienne and Jamiroquai, so I > s'pose I'm at least half way to being politically pop-correct. > > > > > Oh yeah,...and a belated welcome to alloy, John! When is > your photo joining ours in the gallery? > > Have a nice weekend ! > > Lissu :-) (still waiting to be whisked off her feet by > a > bun-fu expert who'll feed her planter's dry roast) > ² << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:26:06 +0200 From: Ulfstedt Louise Subject: RE: : Alloy: Exotic Lissu! This can look kind of strange,..I've seen some very blonde teenagers over here dye their hair black, and when it starts to grow back, it looks like the have NO hair at all in the middle of their heads :-) (smirk) Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West > [SMTP:help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk] > Sent: 21 March 1998 02:01 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re:: Alloy: Exotic Lissu! > > > At 11:19 20/03/98 -0500, Omega wrote: > > > > > > And I've seen a few Finns with dyed-brown hair, with blonde > >roots showing through. (please, no artificial intelligence jokes) > Funny, > >isn't it? What's the big deal about blondes anyway? > > > >--Omega > > > > > They have more fun. > > Allegedly. > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:27:03 +0200 From: Ulfstedt Louise Subject: RE: Re[2]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" Next time we'll meet, or else I'll come and pelt you with peanuts ( there's an image!) L xx > -----Original Message----- > From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West > [SMTP:help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk] > Sent: 21 March 1998 02:01 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Alloy: Musings on musicians and "pop" > > > At 13:23 20/03/98 +0200, Lissu wrote: > > > > > Lissu :-) (still waiting to be whisked off her feet by a > >bun-fu expert who'll feed her planter's dry roast) > > > > > > As a Bun Fu puce belt (24 dan) I'd have to warn you THREE TIMES before > I > could ply you with my nuts. > > Had you not been on the wrong side of the Pennines during your > Christmas > visit I'd have been only too pleased to share comestibles with you. > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:48:29 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 Hello everyone... I thought that it was Tofu dog ? Or have I missed the point ? MTCBWY and your post-its John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:34:28 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 At 09:48 26/03/98 -0600, John wrote: > > > Hello everyone... > > I thought that it was Tofu dog ? > > Or have I missed the point ? > > MTCBWY and your post-its > > John > > Indeed it WAS, and no you haven't missed the point. I really can't remember how we corrupted it to Bun Fu in the Tap Room. I *think* it might have started out as a typo, but caught our imaginatioin and was adopted as an 'in' term for anything and everything inexplicable. Can any other doddering old FES members remember how it came about? Crackers, you were certainly there at the time; is it all a vague memory or can you call it up from backing storage? Slarv P.S. "AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502" - a classic mail subject if ever there was one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:53:48 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 are you working with as/400 as well? You poor thing, you have my every sympathy the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 > > Hello everyone... > > I thought that it was Tofu dog ? > > Or have I missed the point ? I've always been under the impression that it was "for a Slurpee and a TOY FOR HER DOG" but then again, I've been really wrong before :) ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:31:12 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 - --IMA.Boundary.629419098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Apparently there has been a bit of a stink recently here about "non-work related cc:mails", so if I give my mails a work-related subject at least.... MTCBWY & your EVALS John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 Author: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk at Internet Date: 26/03/98 11:53 are you working with as/400 as well? 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Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.629419098-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:24:21 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: We now return to our regularly scheduled program. Thank you. Hi, folks; > >I'm back home with my Juno email now. Finally! Three weeks! On a similar note but for a different reason, I'm back in the land of the living now and may show up a bit more than I have in the past couple of weeks. The reason being that yesterday evening, I hopped into the car, cranked Crackers' tape from the tape exchange, opened the moonroof, and drove through the mild Atlanta night down to Georgia Tech with the precious cargo of one completed doctoral dissertation. My advisor is picking it up on his way to the airport today so he can read it while on a trip. The top ten list of things I can do now includes: 1. Sleep normal hours (started checking that one off last night, after having been up until 4:30 Wednesday morning) 2. Have a relaxed and nutritious meal 3. Go running (It's funny -- before the big crunch hit, I was being pretty healthy, exercising, snacking on fresh baby carrots, etc. By the last few days, I was living on Diet Coke and Pop-Tarts, taking a break from the computer to head to the kitchen, stomping back upstairs and demanding, "Dammit, Mark, why don't we have any Zapp's Cajun Craw-Taters potato chips in this house?") 4. Catch up on social e-mail 5. See friends 6. Get that haircut I've been needing for a week and a half 7. Read the Sunday papers that I've had Mark hide in the basement for the past few weeks 8. See a movie 9. Listen to any kind of music, not just good working music and, of course, me being who I am... 10. Catch up on all the OTHER work I have to do! OK, it may not be remotely relevant to anything, but I just had to share it. Cheers, Beth P.S. Lissu, you have my serious admiration for supporting your student husband. I think that supporting spouses should get some sort of a medal when their student spouse graduates! Of course, Mark will be getting a big fat dedication in my final dissertation, but that by itself would hardly compensate for years of a wife with little income and even less free time. Fortunately, there will be other rewards as well...:-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:39:51 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Alloy: Re: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 Hi, folks >> I thought that it was Tofu dog ? >> >> Or have I missed the point ? > >I've always been under the impression that it was "for a Slurpee and a >TOY FOR HER DOG" Nope, both liner notes and (my own) ears agree, it's "Tofu dog." However, this got me thinking -- have we on Alloy identified all our favorite misheard TMDR lyrics? As I recall, there was a thread of that sort on the Tap Room once, but I don't know if we've devoted ourselves to that topic in this group. Of course, various ones have come up -- I think we'd have to identify that "knickers steaming in the chilly air of the morning" line from "Flying North" as a special case right off. Then there was that embarassing little incident where I thought, in Weightless, he was singing "Drop one, drop two, ..." and I wondered if it was a knitting reference. (Whoops) Any other good ones? Cheers, Beth P.S. I probably should have changed the subject line, but it's just too wonderful. Plus, maybe that will make John H.'s life easier. (They're actually still hassling people about getting personal e-mail at work? Bummer! Do they also expect you to go down the street and use a pay phone to make a doctor's appointment?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:15:48 EST From: DAbbitt32 Subject: Re: Alloy: Musings on making money in music In a message dated 98-03-25 18:21:44 EST, Slarv write: << You must have unsubscribed some time before I joined up, or been mainly a lurker, as your name rings no bells. But never mind, welcome back Dabb.>> Yes I've lurked lots. Now I've the time to contribute a bit more, thanks for the welcome back. Wow, thanks for that very cool story about Captain Beefheart and his strange approach to his work. What's the title of the Documentary? - -Dabb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:28:43 EST From: DAbbitt32 Subject: Re: Alloy: Musings on art In a message dated 98-03-25 18:49:30 EST, Robin write: << With all of this, it really is impossible to daydream about becoming famous ('making it') except in humorous asides. As far as I know artists do their work because NOT doing it would be grossly dishonest. >> What a wonderful statement, and I couldn't agree more. The artist needs to create to be honest with her/himself. I love that. The "courage" that you spoke of mustering comes totally from within, Robin. Your art, be it of any medium, is worth only what you believe it to be worth, not what someone is willing to pay for it. Good luck to you in your journey! - -Dabb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:46:36 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Captain Bee Fart At 12:15 26/03/98 EST, Dabb wrote: > >Yes I've lurked lots. Now I've the time to contribute a bit more, thanks for >the welcome back. > > > >Wow, thanks for that very cool story about Captain Beefheart and his strange >approach to his work. What's the title of the Documentary? > >-Dabb > It was a BBC production entitled 'The Artist Formerly Known As Captain Beefheart.' He was (is) indeed a strange chap. He's now a respected landscape artist and has retired from the music biz altogether ........ (the whole assembly said "He's now a respected landscape artist and has retired from the music biz." LOL... sorry, couldn't resist that.) Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:46:38 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 At 03:53 26/03/98 -0800, Charles wrote: > > >I've always been under the impression that it was "for a Slurpee and a >TOY FOR HER DOG" > >but then again, I've been really wrong before :) > Now DON'T START this line of thinking, P L E A S E. Some time ago I was subscribed to the Jethro Tull mailing list, and there was a long running discussion about the final line of 'Another Christmas Song' which most people accepted was 'Hey Santa, pass us that bottle will ya." In this context 'us' is used in the northern English way, to mean 'me,' but a lot of people (presumably not English) didn't get it. I think it started out as a genuine question, but in the end everyone was submitting their own interpretation, most of which sounded nothing like the actual words spoken. Finally it got beyond a joke and whole digests were taken up with this one subject.. And Beth said >Nope, both liner notes and (my own) ears agree, it's "Tofu dog." > >However, this got me thinking -- have we on Alloy identified all our >favorite misheard TMDR lyrics? As I recall, there was a thread of that >sort on the Tap Room once, but I don't know if we've devoted ourselves to >that topic in this group. > In the MkI Tap Room, there was a thread called 'Mondegreens,' started by Crackers if I remember correctly, which dealt with misheard lyrics. I think there is a website somewhere dealing with this, which your browser will find if you run a search for 'mondegreens.' I can't remember which song it was that had the misheard lyric that sounded like 'mondegreens' but I'm sure Crackers can remember. In THIS case I'm sure it was 'Tofu Dog' but Bun Fu would have Bun more Fun, sorry, been more fun. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: AS/400 RPG ILE program crash msg MCH2502 On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote: > Now DON'T START this line of thinking, P L E A S E. > > I think it started out as a genuine question, but in the end everyone was > submitting their own interpretation, most of which sounded nothing like the > actual words spoken. Finally it got beyond a joke and whole digests were > taken up with this one subject.. This must happen on every music list...gee. On the Mike Oldfield list, there is a song which is now referred to as The Song That Shall Not Be Named and is banned from discussion on the list because of the heated debate over _one_ bloody word (lyric)! One day recently, a newbie joined the list and asked an innocent question: what is the lyrics to such and such song (the un-namable song of course)? The poor guy was jumped on like you wouldn't believe. How would he know about the ban? Some of us apologized for our rude behaviour, thankfully. Of course, why don't we have some with our own mis-interpretations of song lyrics, knowing full well that we're wrong? At least it would be tongue-in-cheek debate. We can come up with our own of the 'Xcuse me while I kiss this guy' Jimi hendrix variety. :) - --Omega ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:21:39 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: For our PhD to be, Beth! WooHoo! Yipee! Yowza! CONGRATULATIONS, BETH!!!!!! Love and affections, Stephen and Mary And hey! Why hasn't anyone else taken notice??? ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #82 **************************