From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #66 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, March 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: It's ...what a friend does [Brian Clayton ] Re: Re[2]: Alloy: music/art [Brian Clayton ] Re[2]: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word [John_Hanson_at_FRM] Alloy: A right load of bollards [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark] Re[4]: Alloy: Yes [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Re: Alloy: A right load of bollards [RThurF ] Alloy: Re: birthday tape/book [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: Re: birthday tape/book [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Re: Alloy: A right load of bollards [Beth Meyer ] Re: Alloy: Slarv's music [RThurF ] Re: Re[2]: Alloy: music/art [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: Slarv's music [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: It's ...what a friend does On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Lem Bingley wrote: > BTW, I have now confirmed that I shall be taking a balloon trip over > Budapest on Thursday - the nearest I could get to a blimp. I plan to take > photos and submit them as my effort for Robin's B-Day album. WAY cool, Lem! BC (Over pillars and palaces...) - --- Brian Clayton | This block is | stemish@kumr.lns.com | not valid postage | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V3 #64 Thanks for the info, Mary! Nice to know you're stilling hanging about with us Humble Followers of Dole-Bee. :) Happy Headspacing, BC - --- Brian Clayton | This block is | stemish@kumr.lns.com | not valid postage | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:42:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: music/art On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > Eno once recorded a disk called "Music for Airports" - together with > elevators that's the best place for ambient music. In my opinion. Indeed, that's an Eno classic, though I also very much like "Thursday Afternoon" and "Apollo." "Neroli" is kind of nice, too. Eno has produced some ambient pieces of computer music, which loop around endlessly and are never the same twice. There's more about that at www.sseyo.com. (I've wondered about the possibility of doing something similar with Beatnik. The Beatnik Moodmaker at www.headspace.com is a similar concept, so it seems perhaps it can.) BC - --- Brian Clayton | This block is | stemish@kumr.lns.com | not valid postage | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:30:52 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word - --IMA.Boundary.725325988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Melissa.. CACK is an alternative way of saying "crap". It's less offensive and doesn't really qualify as an out-and-out swear word, but nevertheless expresses something that the statement "French music really isn't very good" can never adequately convey. MTCBWY... may the cube be with you John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word Author: Compass Rose at Internet Date: 09/03/98 14:58 John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > > FRENCH POP MUSIC IS TOTALLY CACK. I don't know what "cack" means in the yelled sentence above. I have some good ideas, but I love learning new (to me) slang... Anyway, I have the impression that, if you replaced "French" with "Russian," you'd have my view of the world. > PS MTCBWY Nor do I know what the MTCBWY acronym means here. Please share with those of us who are passive-vocabulary and acronym-impaired. - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm - --IMA.Boundary.725325988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns2.baxter.com (159.198.1.38) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0034D049; Mon, 9 Mar 98 13:51:45 - -0600 Received: from smoe.org (root@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA09929 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:03:41 - -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id OAA03280; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:55:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id OAA03257 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id OAA03247 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOODWILL.ORG.GOODWILL.ORG ([206.135.232.224]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17902 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <350449CF.59FE@erols.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:58:07 -0500 From: Compass Rose Organization: Compass Rose Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word References: <0034B757.1208@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.725325988-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:09:31 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: A right load of bollards - --IMA.Boundary.823525988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello everyone.. I've been hesitating about relating my story of my discovery of all things TMDR because it's a very personal thing to me, involving lots of things I couldn't explain, it happened at a time in my life where it seemed an appropriate place to happen. Also, because of it being personal, it might not be of any interest to anyone else, and it might appear to have no meaning whatsoever. I'm lousy at explanations anyway. I'd heard "Science" on the radio loads of times, but just ignored it as another pop song. April 1984, I was still at Sheffield Poly, I'd finished my final exams and was awaiting my results. It was a difficult time, worrying about grades etc & getting a job. So, I used to like spending lots of time walking the hills to the west of Sheffield, being alone with my thoughts. As a kid, I was interested in railways, but had long since abandoned this as a folly of youth (it was fashion when I was 13, around 1975 time). I knew that there was an old railway line which ran from Penistone to Manchester, passing through a long a dark tunnel on the way. One Saturday, armed with torch, I decided to walk it. It's about six miles from Penistone to the tunnel, then another 3 miles 66 yards through the tunnel, in the dark, in the wet, as well. Walking through the abandoned tunnel, alone, is one of the strangest experiences I have ever felt. At the other end I emerged into a valley, with electricity pylons striding off into the distance, and all around lay the remnants of the abandoned line, bits of wire, electrical equipment; when the line was electrified in the 50's, it was the most modern in Britain, but thirty years later, the stuff seemed really old, antiquated. Half an hour after I got back home, there was a Thomas Dolby concert to be broadcast on Radio One; I hurriedly grabbed a cassette, and started to record it. I don't know what impelled me to do this; I didn't know much about TMDR, nor his songs. Unfortunately I taped the concert on my old (stereo) radio cassette recorder; my friend had a decent hi-fi but I didn't have time to go round & ask him to record it (no telephone, either !). This is the concert I recorded on a dodgy recorder with dodgy tape, and would dearly love a decent copy. In the concert, TMDR played "Airwaves", and the bit about "Control has enabled / the abandoned wires once again / and the copper cables that rust in the acid rain / flood the subways with elements of our corrosion .... " sums up the atmosphere at the tunnel site. It's difficult to explain in words, hence my hesitance in coming forward. This all sounds really stupid I bet... I resign from Alloy now. May the Cube be with you all ever after.. Ciao, John "If it's just inadvertant, simulation, a pattern for all manknind, what's got the whole world fakin' ?" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes Author: IT Admin - Govt Office North West at Internet Date: 09/03/98 23:17 At 09:45 09/03/98 -0600, John Hanson wrote: > > Through it ? Are you sure you have got the right one, because the > railway tunnel closed in 1980, and the track was lifted in 1985/6. > > There is a link here with how I discovered TMDR. > > MTCBWY > > John > > Good grief. That explains why it looked so delapidated. I have to admit, I don't know WHAT tunnel the train now goes through, only that it DOES go through one, and it's ever-so-long and ever-so-dark. This admission is a real embarrassment to an ex-ferro-equinologist, who really should know more about such things. So go on then :- 1. What tunnel is it the train now goes through? 2. What Woodhead Tunnel were you referring to? I think we should be told. Slarvibarglhee (Bo-Bo) [it's a train spotter joke] - --IMA.Boundary.823525988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0034DCFB; Mon, 9 Mar 98 17:10:31 - -0600 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA10611 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:23:04 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yCBry-00006F-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:22:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA06265; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:22:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id SAA06214 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (ginas.gtnet.gov.uk [195.44.96.1]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id SAA06206 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from d24.gtnet.gov.uk (d24 [195.44.98.24]) by ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA13556 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:17:49 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:17:49 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980309232706.223f577a@mail> X-Sender: az36@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alloy@smoe.org From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.823525988-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:29:57 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: Yes - --IMA.Boundary.490035988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The train from Sheff to Manchester goes through three big tunnels; Totley, the first after Sheffield; Cowburn and another one, whose name escapes me. Woodhead, that's on the ex Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire / Great Central / London & North Eastern Railway line between Sheffield & Manchester. The Woodhead route was opened in 1851, by the MSLR, and Woodhead initially consisted of two single bore tunnels. In 1899 the MSLR extended its' main line to London Marylebone, and became the GCR. Following Grouing in 1923, the line bacame part of the LNER. The LNER first mooted electrification in the 1930's, but the war stymied their plans. After 1945 the plan was revived, and undertaken after 1947 nationalisation by BR. The line from Manchester to Sheffield, with a freight branch to Wath was opened in 1957, which also coincided with the opening of the new Woodhead double track tunnel. Steam locos were not permitted to pass through the new concrete tunnel under steam, and were obliged to have a pilot electric loco attached, usually at Mottram and Dunford Bridge. The rot set in in the 1960's... the ex GCR route from Sheffield Victoria to Marylebone was closed and passenger traffic over the Woodhead route diverted via Hope, todays' route. In the 70's, Woodhead was used by heavy coal trains over the Pennines. Finally, after only 25 years of electric operation , BR decided to scrap the Woodhead, rather than convert the ageing electrical equipment from 1500v dc to 25kv AC, as used on the rest of the railway network. In 1980 the line closed completely. The line was not lifted in entirity; it was to be mothballed for five years, and until 1985 one track remained, the other gone together with all the catenary equipment & wires. The tunnel lay unused, open at both ends to walkers. I walked the tunnel many times until 1985, when the last track went and the tunnel was sealed. Its future is uncertain, and the possibility of being re-used as a railway line has not completely vanished. John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes Author: IT Admin - Govt Office North West at Internet Date: 09/03/98 23:17 At 09:45 09/03/98 -0600, John Hanson wrote: > > Through it ? Are you sure you have got the right one, because the > railway tunnel closed in 1980, and the track was lifted in 1985/6. > > There is a link here with how I discovered TMDR. > > MTCBWY > > John > > Good grief. That explains why it looked so delapidated. I have to admit, I don't know WHAT tunnel the train now goes through, only that it DOES go through one, and it's ever-so-long and ever-so-dark. This admission is a real embarrassment to an ex-ferro-equinologist, who really should know more about such things. So go on then :- 1. What tunnel is it the train now goes through? 2. What Woodhead Tunnel were you referring to? I think we should be told. Slarvibarglhee (Bo-Bo) [it's a train spotter joke] - --IMA.Boundary.490035988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0034DCFB; Mon, 9 Mar 98 17:10:31 - -0600 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA10611 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:23:04 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yCBry-00006F-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:22:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA06265; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:22:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id SAA06214 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (ginas.gtnet.gov.uk [195.44.96.1]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id SAA06206 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from d24.gtnet.gov.uk (d24 [195.44.98.24]) by ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA13556 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:17:49 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:17:49 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980309232706.223f577a@mail> X-Sender: az36@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alloy@smoe.org From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.490035988-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:29:34 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: A right load of bollards In a message dated 98-03-10 05:43:51 EST, John wrote: << It's difficult to explain in words, hence my hesitance in coming forward. This all sounds really stupid I bet... I resign from Alloy now. >> John, are you still there? You can't possibly resign. If you could hear how wonderful your story sounded compared to mine, you'd never dream of leaving. It wasn't stupid at all - in fact it was filled with interesting imagery & really well said. Stick around please!! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:55:02 EST From: RThurF Subject: Alloy: Re: birthday tape/book In a message dated 98-03-09 20:56:49 EST, Mary wrote: << And as a suggestion to Robin and Paul about the birthday tape, you might want to consider covering something from a soundtrack as I've decided to do since I figured folks would be less offended if I made a total mess of it and perhaps it will be new to others. I'm sure you could you'd do a wonderful job with any of the pieces from Gothic, Robin. Just a thought.. >> Thanks Mary!! I have some friends who would play with me on it if I could get my hands on any sheet music - do you think any exists? on the subject of the art book, I was so glad to hear that Lem is doing those photographs over Budapest! I'm very psyched & can't wait to see them, what an incredible idea. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:41:17 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: birthday tape/book Hi Robin If you want to know about sheet music, I think we did this one before on the FES. Basically what we decided was that there isn't any anywhere, although if any does come to light that would obviously be great news. However, at your disposal is the combined brainpower of the Alloy semi-demi-pros (or something) so if you need a hand with anything fire away and we'll all chip in. I have plenty of time on my hands as at the moment a whole morning has gone by at work without anyone being able to install this training CD onto our machines - 4 hours. yawn. see ya the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:36:28 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: A right load of bollards Hi, folks; John told his lovely story and then wrote: > It's difficult to explain in words, hence my hesitance in coming > forward. Thanks very much for taking the time and effort to do so. It was a really neat story! > This all sounds really stupid I bet... I resign from Alloy now. > > May the Cube be with you all ever after.. Please don't! It was a fine story, and well written on top of it. And you needn't worry about getting too personal -- this is not a group where you will get flamed for anything that isn't a news flash about the artist in question. Also, I do hope that my little teasing prod to tell the story didn't feel like bullying to you. If so, I apologize -- I didn't realize why you were holding off. But it was worth the wait! So please tell us you're still with us... Cheers, Beth P.S. -- Actually, I've heard the same thing about French pop music. A really cool professor in our department was denied tenure (rather unjustly, I might add) and went off to live with his wife who works for the U.N. in Geneva. He visited us in December and told us about the French radio stations he listens to. Apparently, there is some law that requires something like half of what radio stations broadcast to be in French, including the music. And they can't just play it all in the wee hours of the morning, which was what they did at first. But of course, most of the French-language music is horribly cheesy. So what you hear on the most hip stations is maybe one song by Pearl Jam, then something like a French version of Petula Clark's "Downtown", then a song by Nine Inch Nails, and so on. It seems designed to make EVERYONE flip their dials every three minutes, regardless of which type of music you like. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs In article <35031F6A.7CFF@verinet.com>, you wrote: > >I haven't really considered contributing to this years tape yet, >but might consider it. If Crackers could post the Dibbs again >(I know he just did it recently, but I don't have that email >anymore), I'd sure appreciate it. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Here are the latest round of DIBBS Don't forget too that in addition to a Dolby cover you may also submit an original tune for the B-Side of the tape. So send me your DIBBS for Project B-Day ][. As well, I'm taking title suggestions for this year's album (to be voted on later). Crackers - Hot Sauce Keith Stansell - Wreck of the Fairchild Jose Gomez - Puppet Theatre Miles - The Flat Earth The Copse - One Of Our Submarines Lee Jackson - Dissidents JAMac - Beauty Of A Dream Croydon - Valley Of The Mind's Eye Electrix - Hyperactive Ian Gifford - Europa And The Pirate Twins Lissu - I Love You, Goodbye Europa - Don't Turn Away CRACKERS (DIBBS clamps from hell!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:23:27 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarv's music In a message dated 98-03-08 19:42:09 EST, Slarvi wrote: << I think patience is the problem, and time enough to practice. I MUST be more strict with myself and try to do a little every day. >> Patience is the biggest obstacle most of the time with adult beginners. If you can set 15-20 minutes aside each night to even just run through scales, it will begin to form neurological pathways in your brain & it'll get easier over time. Repitition is the only way to learn. Don't feel self conscious either. If you can use headphones at first it may get you to practice more. Another problem for adults is finding out how hard it really is to play these instruments, after watching musicians like Thomas who are so good they make it look easy. I have the same problem after watching videos of Jacqueline DuPre on cello. What's even scarier for me is when one of our 10-year-old customers is trying out cellos in the front room & starts whipping through Paganini variations as if they're nothing! << P.S. If I think of you behid that cello I don't think I'll be able to concentrate on the dots for very long. >> LOL!! I can send you a totally disillusioning photograph of what I really look like while practicing if it will help your concentration. You can keep it by your keyboard so you'll know you're not alone in your patient struggle for musicianship. I'll even be sure to wear clothes for a change so as not to disturb your concentration! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:22:35 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: music/art In a message dated 98-03-09 09:46:10 EST, John wrote: << Eno once recorded a disk called "Music for Airports" - together with elevators that's the best place for ambient music. In my opinion. Hope I've not upset anyone - this is a friendly circle - but as I said, chacun à son truc. >> Nobody's upset by honest opinions here as far as I'm aware...one thing I really like about Alloy is getting to know the other people here & what their opinions are. Have you seen Twin Peaks? It would've been impossible for the mood of that series to have been properly set if not for Angelo Baldimenti's wonderful music. Music does amazing things for dramatic work. Most people probably don't even realise how much of an effect music has on their impression of a film or show. Watch a bunch of scary films and try to pay attention to the music along with the action, and you might see what I mean. But John, I don't speak more than a few words of French - what does chacun a son truc mean? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:02:38 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarv's music At 18:23 10/03/98 EST, Robin wrote: > > >Patience is the biggest obstacle most of the time with adult beginners. If you >can set 15-20 minutes aside each night to even just run through scales, it >will begin to form neurological pathways in your brain & it'll get easier over >time. Repitition is the only way to learn. Don't feel self conscious either. >If you can use headphones at first it may get you to practice more. > Well, it shouldn't be too bad for me really, because I can aready play the guitar, so I just need to look at my son's Guitar Handbook to find out what chords I can already play effortlessly. Scales, I've never practiced at all, but I suppose I should. >Another problem for adults is finding out how hard it really is to play these >instruments, after watching musicians like Thomas who are so good they make it >look easy. I have the same problem after watching videos of Jacqueline DuPre >on cello. What's even scarier for me is when one of our 10-year-old customers >is trying out cellos in the front room & starts whipping through Paganini >variations as if they're nothing! > I watched several concerts with John McLaughlin, Paco de Lucia and Chick Corea on the Performance Channel a couple of weeks ago. It's totally mind boggling watching these guys pass a melody around between them. Their skills are incredible, but every one quoted in the handbook says the same as you. Practice, practice, practice and then do some more. One thing to remember about some of these virtuoso kiddies, which may be some consolation. A lot of them don't have a life outside music and they may not appreciate their own skills anyway. Do any of us really appreciate the skills we take for granted? Probably not. I can type at a pretty fair speed, but I've never had any real keyboard training, it's just developed with practice, practice, practice. And my son, who had guitar lessons for a little over a year, envies my ability to play, even though HE knows what chords I'm playing and I don't. > << > P.S. If I think of you behid that cello I don't think I'll be able to > concentrate on the dots for very long. >> > >LOL!! I can send you a totally disillusioning photograph of what I really look >like while practicing if it will help your concentration. You can keep it by >your keyboard so you'll know you're not alone in your patient struggle for >musicianship. I'll even be sure to wear clothes for a change so as not to >disturb your concentration! > No, no, spare me please. After the body painting pics I don't think me old blood pressure could bear it. What are you trying to do, turn me into a dirty old man? Slarvishnu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:59:03 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarv's music In a message dated 98-03-10 20:13:12 EST, Slarvi wrote: << One thing to remember about some of these virtuoso kiddies, which may be some consolation. A lot of them don't have a life outside music and they may not appreciate their own skills anyway. > Some of the children who come to us really are from sheltered families, but others seem to be doing it in spite of their parents' discouraging attitudes (the parent expresses annoyance at the child's playing or practicing, etc!) Some have a real appreciation for their own abilities & some seem like they're ready to give it up so they can grow their nails long (the girls I mean) and hang out with their friends more often. One thing that touches me the most about the younger players is how emotionally attatched they get to their musical instruments. When it comes time for them to move on to a different size, often they'll want to have a few moments alone with their old instrument to 'say goodbye'. I've found so many tiny letters tucked away inside an instrument that's been returned, saying things like "whoever gets this violin is very lucky, it's the best violin in the world& please promise to take very good care of it" It's really sweet! << No, no, spare me please. After the body painting pics I don't think me old blood pressure could bear it. What are you trying to do, turn me into a dirty old man?>> As for the cello photo: anything to encourage more practicing, that's my motto! As for the rest: You're only old enough to be my older brother, Slarv (he is actually the same age as you, give or take) Are you trying to make *me* feel old? :) Robin ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #66 **************************