From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #62 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, March 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Census [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Re: Alloy: Musicians of Alloy [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.b] Re: Alloy: Yes [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Re: Alloy: It's ...what I do [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Re: Alloy: My personal silence (about my music) is broken [MsSakamoto ] Re: Alloy: Allright :) ["Lazlo Nibble" ] Re: Alloy: Slarv's music [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: copse's brother's book [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: Yes [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] Re: Alloy: music/art [RThurF ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:16:15 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Census I'll match you weirdness for weirdness Robin, and then some! the_copse I think I'm too weird to take part in this census, so I must decline! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:12:29 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Musicians of Alloy - --IMA.Boundary.483671988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The LURKERS ?? When I was sixteen they were one of my favorite bands !!! They was a sort of punk band from Manchester and featured Maniac Esso - drums; Nigel Moore - - bass; Pete Stride - guitar; Howard Wall - vocals. They were fing good, too, I wonder whatever happend to them ? Some of their best song were... Shadow/ Love Story/ Freak Show/ Mass Media Believer/ Be My Prisoner/ Ain't Got A Clue/ Ooh Ooh I Love You/ Fulham Fallout Firty Free/ I Don't Need To Tell Her/ Pills/ Just Thirteen/ Countdown/ Out In The Dark/ Cyanide/ Suzie Is A Floozie/ Cyanide (Pub Version)/ New Guitar In Town/ Little Ole' Wine Drinker Me (yes, the Dean Martin song). If any of us used to be in the Lurkers, can I have your autograph please ? MTCBWY John ask the man behind the bar for the jukebox no; I haven't missed the point completely. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Alloy: Musicians of Alloy Author: "Stephen M. Tilson" at Internet Date: 05/03/98 17:18 John (not the Poleese) Hanson asked: > all of you lot seem to be musicians, could somebody provide me > with a summary of whom is whom in Alloy; if they're in a band or > work alone, pro / semi pro / beer money or whatever ? Anyone > famous ? To the best of my knowledge . . . I believe the only pro among us, besides TMDR, is Lee Jackson. He is the Music and Sound Director for Apogee Software. The Semi-Pros: Chris (Crackers) Cracknell Tim Dunn Ian Gifford Louise Ulfstedt John Neil (He's in two bands according to Mary, and may be a Pro) Keith Dawe (status uncertain) and myself Musicians for the love of it: Mary Brown Robin Thurlow Paul Baily Melissa Jordan Lem Bingley Eric Habbinga (status uncertain) Monya De (please forgive and correct me if I've left anyone out) I am not currently in a band, and am unsure of the others listed above. Then there's the LURKERS. Who knows? Best Regards, Stephen - --IMA.Boundary.483671988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns2.baxter.com (159.198.1.38) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00344944; Thu, 5 Mar 98 16:20:29 - -0600 Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA05467 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:32:54 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yAjB4-00073n-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:31:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id RAA09522; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:23:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA09479 for alloy-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com (hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id RAA09471 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id RAA21229 for alloy@smoe.org; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:19:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:18:46 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Musicians of Alloy To: alloy@smoe.org Message-ID: <199803051719_MC2-35AF-2069@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id RAA09473 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.483671988-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:17:10 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Yes - --IMA.Boundary.586671988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part If you think that you're weird to fill out a census, just wait until you hear my story of how I got into Dolby. It's erm different, probably will sound totally incoherent. MTCBWY John PS anyone ever heard of the Woodhead Tunnel ?? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Alloy: Yes Author: RThurF at Internet Date: 05/03/98 17:51 In a message dated 98-03-05 08:37:46 EST, John wrote: << PS Anyone still interested in my discovery of TMDR ? >> YES!! Robin - --IMA.Boundary.586671988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns2.baxter.com (159.198.1.38) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00344B5A; Thu, 5 Mar 98 16:50:23 - -0600 Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA06689 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:02:56 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yAjdE-0000Ut-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:00:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA10018; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:01:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA09946 for alloy-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.151]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id RAA09942 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from RThurF@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id FOZRa05360 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF Message-ID: <12355e8a.34ff2c82@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:51:43 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alloy: Yes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.586671988-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:40:15 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: It's ...what I do Well I've been a musician ever since I started piano age 4, I'm afraid. Both my brother and I had this lucky start before he veered off towards poetry (keep an eye out for his first collection in September, published by OUP no less). I'm not really a natural pianist but I took off when I got a clarinet aged 8, and was doing Grade 7 (distinction) before I hit teenage. When I was 7 I went audition for the Westminster Abbey choir school, (yanks will know them from royal weddings etc) and missed it by one place. Doh! Things would have been very different. At school I did loads of writing and playing, and especially arranging, and formed my Barbershop group the Rockin' Hairdressers, who the school fixed up a little US tour for, which was cool - you guys just loved our cute accents (or something.) At uni after a year at uni messing around I transferred to the music dept, and took up pop more seriously, first as a drummer in a little punk band, then buying a guitar on a whim (it was green!) to form The Copse. I disbanded them when I started the album, and so here I am as a solo person. My attitude at the moment is that there's no career in music so I might as well get on with a day job and keep recording in my spare time. At the moment you guys are almost my entire audience! I have just this week been roped into a local covers band who want some original tunes and to do some of my songs live, which'll be strange. I'm looking forward to being able to play guitar live without worrying about singing more than backing. Work is progressing fast on the next album though, with at least 5 songs all ready to go, and loads more ideas bouncing around - I think this one's generally a bit more acoustic and major than the last one, and won't scare so many small children etc etc. It'll all change when I get my PC and keyboard set up though....... the_copse P.S. Beth - don't worry about your tenor section - all tenors are useless! (Bass section joke) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:50:30 EST From: MsSakamoto Subject: Re: Alloy: My personal silence (about my music) is broken In a message dated 98-03-05 17:41:52 EST, john@police.tas.gov.au writes: > I sincerely hope you did not take any offence to my comments about the > above three bands - it was really only a personal view and as Slarv so > rightly pointed out everyone enjoys different music and should be allowed > to listen to whatever they please (except maybe that hip-hop crap - oh no > there I go again...). Oh, no...nothing like that...I just felt like...coming out of the musical closet, as it were! No offense taken at all! - --Suzanne-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:30:21 -0500 From: Compass Rose Subject: Re: Alloy: My personal silence (about my music) is broken MsSakamoto wrote: > Oh, no...nothing like that...I just felt like...coming out of the musical > closet, as it were! No offense taken at all! > After john@police.tas.gov.au wrote: > > > I sincerely hope you did not take any offence to my comments about the > > above three bands - it was really only a personal view and as Slarv so > > rightly pointed out everyone enjoys different music and should be allowed > > to listen to whatever they please (except maybe that hip-hop crap - oh no > > there I go again...). Well, I terrified a friend of mine the other day by singing along with Celine Dion on the radio. Normally, I can't stand her stuff, but I'm totally sucked in by that love theme to "Titanic." I sing along with any ABBA or Village People song I hear, and I frighten people in my office by singing along with Zhanna Bichevskaya, the Russian Joan Baez, on the CD-ROM. While I drive to Erasure and Tears For Fears and the rest of the '80's boys, I listen to things foreign and things regional (Ofra Haza ["The Fifty Gates of Wisdom" is amazing!], Les Negresses Verte, Zouk Machine, Beausoleil, etc...) when I need to be inspired to clean my apartment. I will listen to anything once (including novelty songs by pro hockey players or football teams - but ONLY once) and I quite enjoyed Garth Brooks' Irish tour special on tv this week. I feel lucky to have been raised by parents much older than I, who gave me an appreciation for big band and classical (Mom) and Celtic and Appalachian folk (Dad) and eight older siblings who ran the gamut from Frankie Avalon to Frankie Goes To Hollywood. New friends are always puzzled when they try to sort me out by looking through my CDs. I love it. Let's hear it for eclectic taste! (And I sang along with Hansen yesterday. Oy!) Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:45:23 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Deserts Hey, this reminds me, in case anyone is vaguely interested. I found out that the video for "Gimme All Your Lovin" was filmed at an abandoned gas station in Lancaster, CA. That's probably less than 15 miles from my house, and it's most definately the same terrain. So, if you've seen this video, you've seen the "High Desert" north of Los Angeles that is Palmdale & Lancaster (among other communities). I guess it's sorta similar to the pictures I remember seeing of the Australian deserts, as well. Unfortunately, none of the romance, history or drama. This is basically McSuburbs, and there's pretty much no civic involvement or community pride. Guess the Palmdale City Council won't be hiring me to write any brochures any times soon! (A lot of other videos have been filmed up here too.. Sheryl Crow's "Leaving Las Vegas" and REM's "Man on the Moon" among them.) Just a silly tidbit...back to the usual conversation now! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote: > Ooops, forgot my copy of Eliminator. I'm not a BIG ZZ Top fan, but I love > those videos. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:02:45 -0700 (MST) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Alloy: Allright :) > I wonder why he didn't choose Musicland.. which is based in Minneapolis.. as > is The Artist.. and has the biggest music store chain in the US... at least > they used to. Coz Musicland is going through its death throes, probably . . . edge of bankruptcy for a couple years now. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:18:36 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarv's music In a message dated 98-03-05 20:02:43 EST, Slarvi wrote: << One great regret I have is not taking up my dad's offer of piano or guitar lessons when I was about 8. I didn't fancy it then, but I wish I'd done it now. I keep thinking I should spend more time playing, and learning more about music. I'd love to be able to read the dots, but I'm just too lazy, and don't seem to be able to find the time, more's the pity. >> In my line of work I meet lots of adult beginners so it's never too late. Learning to read music comes more naturally to some than to others though... I'm one of the 'others', having a hell of a time learning to sight read (though I'm better at it now than I was at age 11... I'm not naturally good at math so written music is a 'language' that may be more difficult for me due to its nature - everything represents numerical values. Makes my brain hurt. But if you have a good ear you don't really need to know what the dots say, unless you plan to play in a quartet, like I do...someday:( Do you have a piano or keyboard Slarvi? I didn't see one in that living room of yours during my dream about you, but it might have been over in the corner... :) All you really need to take up any discipline as an adult is a decent sense of humor & the ability to be patient with yourself. The ability to say "I SUCK AT THIS!!" with perverse glee, and keep trying anyway even if it means years of plodding along at rudimentary levels. Think of me squinting at all the dots & lines from behind my cello and go for it Slarvi!! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:20:10 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: copse's brother's book In a message dated 98-03-06 05:41:06 EST, copse: << Both my brother and I had this lucky start before he veered off towards poetry (keep an eye out for his first collection in September, published by OUP no less). >> Can you remind us again when this does come out? I want to read this. will it be available in the US? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:25:17 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Yes At 10:17 06/03/98 -0600, John wrote: > PS anyone ever heard of the Woodhead Tunnel ?? > Heard of it? I've been through it often enough travelling to our HQ in Sheffield. Or was there also a band with that name? Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:44:21 -0700 From: bcohen@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Barbara A Cohen via crow ) Subject: Alloy: musicians Hey Stephen, I'm the bassist for our kick-around band "Science Diet." We even have an out-of-state gig in half a month! I guess that makes me like a semi-semi-professional :) *B* Barbara Cohen Cosmochemical Cocktail Mixer, PhD to be ****************************************** I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying. --Woody Allen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 20:47:36 -0800 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarv's music RThurF wrote: > In my line of work I meet lots of adult beginners so it's never too late. As a side note, "Never Too Late" is the name of an inspirational book by John Holt (blessed visionary pioneer of the modern home/unschooling movement), an autobiographical work about teaching himself to play music when he was I think in his '40s or later... (I haven't actually read it, but I've wanted to for a while, and figured it was relevant enough that I should mention it) I can sight read, just nothing else.. > All you really need to take up any discipline as an adult is a decent sense of > humor & the ability to be patient with yourself. The ability to say "I SUCK AT > THIS!!" with perverse glee, and keep trying anyway even if it means years of > plodding along at rudimentary levels. Think of me squinting at all the dots & > lines from behind my cello and go for it Slarvi!! Yay Robin! The day I stop trying to learn new things is the day I finally roll over and die. -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:42:18 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: music/art John wrote: << I've read elsewhere that some people wish that TMDR would go back to the recording studio. I do, and at the same time, I don't. I am of the "quit while you're winning" school, and a part of me feels that if he did go back, then he might struggle to recapture the freshness and originality of Science, Hyperactive, Pulp Culture and Cigar; instead he might carry on with bland stuff like "The Beauty of a Dream". >> The tastes of any artist do tend to change as the years progress (recall Jackson Pollock's delicately detailed landscapes from his early days, before he started up with the "drip 'n' drool" school) I couldn't imagine Dolby trying to deliberately recapture anything, based on the variety we've already seen in his work - he seems only too eager to test out new ground. Nor could I imagine a 'quit while you're winning' mentality on his part anyway - doesn't seem like the type of man who would shy away from a challenge... << TMDR has made three mighty albums, A & H is a flawed masterpiece too, and that would be hard to follow. As for making ambient music, or computer generated music, I don't want to know. Strikes me as being a bit nerdish. >> Errrr... you see I have this thing for film soundtracks (if that's what you mean by ambient music) The Gate and Gothic are among my all-time favorites. Or do you mean that stuff that comes out of the computer? I've been putting forth my most earnest requests to my favorite web site so they'll have music for their visitors. I guess I don't understand where the nerdy part comes in...? And what flaw do you detect in A&H? I don't mean to grill you, I'm just curious! As far as computer-generated music, I can compare it to fine arts: Pollock's work. I *do* like 'drooly' Pollock very much - it's wildly rhythmic/well balanced and sound. If he hadn't had his fine arts background, though, he could never have accomplished this excellent & expressive later work. People who just pick up a brush & start flinging paint on the canvas in an attempt to imitate this style succeed only, as the saying goes, in spoiling a perfectly good canvas...the same sort of thing applies to computer-generated music & the unskilled masses who try to do it because they have no actual talent musically & think it will be 'easy'. It seems to me you really have to know what you're doing if you're going to do something really worthwhile, which is of course where Thomas so exquisitely fits in Robin ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #62 **************************