From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #255 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, November 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp [crackers@hwcn.org] Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - Dibbs [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Minestrone : article [crackers@hwcn.org] Alloy: Catching Up... [nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk (Neil Leacy)] Re: Alloy: Expense [Lem Bingley ] Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Re: Alloy: The depravity continues [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ [Keith Stansell ] Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter [Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com>] Alloy: Re: [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: Project BOOK [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: Apologies to Robin [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: Expense [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Cry Wolf [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - DIBBS [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexa] Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp [crackers@hwcn.org] Alloy: The Fixx [bcohen@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Barbara A Cohen)] Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter ["Robert B. Kennedy" ] Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter ["Robert B. Kennedy" ] Alloy: New World Accordion [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Expense [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter ["Dan Swan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In article <971116021325_1593239981@mrin44.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >I sent it to you in my e-mail about the birthday projects. This modeling >stuff will be old hat to you though... I know that your very beautiful wife >has also worked as an artists model. >"Naked ladies," said crackers, rolling his eyes skyward. "How passe!" ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Hey, I never pass on the naked ladies. My wife used to be a fashion model though, not an artist's model. And the only nude work she has done has been for me privately. Although once, when she was doing a fashion show, her top fell off while she was shaking her little tush on the catwalk (I guess she really was too sexy for her shirt). Some teenage boys captured the event on video tape so I'd imagine by the end of the week every adolescent boy in their highschool was "whackin' the willey" to a bootleg copy of the tape. This was back in the early 80's before bare breasts were a common appearance at fashion shows or public places (In Ontario it is now legal for women to go topless in public so a bit of the mania over exposed breasts is starting to die down). My wife has had an interesting career. From engineering at University of Waterloo, to fashion model (she even did some TV work on an old Canadian TV show called "Seeing Things"... about a crime solving investigative reporter with psychic power staring Louise Del Grande, a man who I once accidentally dropped a french fry on the top of his head), to the glitzy and glamorous world of.... accounting!!! Yepper, between engineering, modeling, and accounting, she likes accounting the best. I guess it's because you're allowed to eat and when you're handeling multi-millions of dollars the people you work with don't treat you like a bimbo. CRACKERS (You've seen one, you've seen them both from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:06 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp In article <199711160309_MC2-285B-E97E@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >careful letting ideas run in this group! Europa obviously has some . >. . I was wondering if I could hold the videocam? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Can I do the soundtrack? Can I do the soundtrack? Please? I'm just dying to use this wah-wah pedal! CRACKERS (Wah-accordion from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:09 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - Dibbs In article <199711160844_MC2-285B-662C@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >Put me down for 'One of our Submarines.' ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Okee Dokee, here are the current dibbs for Project B-Day ][: Crackers - Hot Sauce Keith Stansell - Wreck of the Fairchild Jose Gomez - Puppet Theatre Miles - The Flat Earth The Copse - One Of Our Submarines CRACKERS (Get 'em while they're hot from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp In article <971116171830_-21233897@mrin41.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >Dave came up with another idea for a prize in this contest... the winner and >I will be bodypainted & photographed together for the page!! and yes, you can >hold the videocam. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Or Dave could body paint you in a theme of the winners choosing. Something in a wild-beastie motif could be very fetching. CRACKERS (Hope I win from hell!!!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ In article <19971116.000429.8830.0.dalexander@juno.com>, you wrote: >Well then, how bout "Beauty of a Dream". And if somebody claims that, >then I'll take "Weightless". OK? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Okee Dokee.... Crackers - Nuvogue Keith Stansell - Wreck Of The Fairchild Jose Gomez - Puppet Theatre Miles - The Flat Earth The Copse - One Of Our Submarines Dennis Alexander - Beauty Of A Dream Hmmmm..... six dibbs in only a few days, we're off to a better start than we were on the first project. Woohoo!!! CRACKERS (Moving along nicely from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:04 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Minestrone : article In article <19971115.113328.4622.1.dalexander@juno.com>, you wrote: >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:35:09 +0000 "David Gross" >>http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/7950.html >>I invite us all to read the above article as brain food/background >>info. for "fan's" independent music projects. >Very interesting! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ That's very much the way I plan to do things. If I ever become big time enough to make the concert scene I'd like to encourage people to bring their tape recorders and cam-corders to the concert to record it provided that all distribution is a no-profit venture. Although the record companies would probably disagree with me I can't see how this kind of fan distribution could do anything but help. As long as they're not bootlegging matterial I'm selling then I say go for it. CRACKERS (Wish I had devoted legions of fans from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:53:59 From: nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk (Neil Leacy) Subject: Alloy: Catching Up... From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby parody cont >Hey, they say you write best when you write about what you know :-) >>And 'fess up, have *you* ever had a mohawk? >Nope, just 20 years of awful haircuts, courtesy of my mom's unwillingness >to spend more than $4 on them. Of course, I was totally bald until I >was a year old -- does that count? Then there was that unfortunate >"pixie cut" at the age of 5 that had everyone thinking I was a boy. The >only thing worse than being geeky was being geeky AND homely -- ugh. Talking of hair cuts... I'm now in the strange position of coaching trampolining to the children of an old school friend who I hadn't seen for many years. She told me that she had no problem recognising me as I still have the same sort of hair style I had 17 years ago when we were at college! And looking through some old photos... she's right! Mind you in between I've had tiger stripes, electric blue and jet black as colours as well as a perm (don't ask) and a 3 foot pony tail extension. But they say that most men return to the hair style of their happiest times! From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Now Playing: In a message dated 97-11-14 07:19:22 EST, gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu writes: >> (Unlike >> Chumbawumba's "Tubthumping", which was going through my head for the >>ENTIRE >> 24-hour trip back to Atlanta from Slovenia....) >Oh, I feel your pain...I had it stuck in my head for nearly three days... >"I get knocked down, but I get up again..." >Arrggghh! Apart from the complaints from the AA about the song lyrics. Did any UK Alloyers notice the sub-title censoring they used on Top of the Pops. The line "Pissing the Night Away" was reduced to "Issing the Night away". I kid you not. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 23:36:18 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby parody cont >>Is it just me, or do others on the list think about Neil when they hear >>"Weightless"? I'm imagining Thomas being strapped into one of the >>Britax car seats... That reminds me. If you're reading this Thomas I can get staff discount on any of our seats... > Well, I still cack myself laughing whenever I hear the chorus >of NEO 'cause to this day it reminds me of Neil's child saying something >like 'Why is she calling your name Dad?' That was as near as dammit, Paul. But as a follow-up I'd almost forgotten; a little while back, while watching the Hot Sauce video, my then 8 years old son said "That's not very nice, is it Daddy? Her sitting on that man's face like that!" Cue one mouthful of juice sprayed everywhere... aahh, the innocence of youth. From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - DIBBS Hey Crackers, I'm in for something on all accounts music and writing, just don't know what yet. BTW - It's official seeing as it was on Radio Four early morning news last week. The accordian is making a come back and will be THE instrument of the Millenium! Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:38:26 +0000 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Expense At 05:17 p.m. 14/11/97 -0500, Europa wrote: >So, Lem, tell us more! What sort of synth did you get? Er, I have a bad memory for this kind of thing but it's definitely an Ensoniq something-or-other. I think it may be a Mirage-DSK. It's got 61 full size keys, which play louder notes when you hit them harder. And it's got a 3.5inch disk drive at one end where you feed in all the saved voices and sequences and stuff. It's got a facility for doing samples only I don't have a microphone so I haven't played with that yet. It's in very good nick, was made in 1984, and weighs about 56lbs (that's heavy, in case you were wondering). It came with a very sturdy flight case and a whole load of samples and voices on disk. I have no idea how much it's actually worth but 160quid seemed reasonable. Like Jose, I'd be keen on some guidance from the experts as to how to hook the thing up to a PC throught the midi ports, by the way. >they've advanced so much since then... Yes, this one has the look of early 80s about it. And I'm sure a new one wouldn't be nearly so heavy. Maybe the heft of such keyboards explains TMDR's uncanny upper-body strength? Lem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In a message dated 11/16/97 7:02:45 PM, Slarvi wrote: <> don't worry, so have we!! But I'll try to explain. crackers has printouts of our Alloy photos on his wall, and was describing how they are grouped. Slarvi, you were all alone somewhere on the wall, while Mary and I were together by the window. Mary wanted to suggest that we join you, and I suggested that my paint pictures be hung next to you so you wouldn't get bored. Then Mary and I got talking, and... well, you know how it is when two young, red-blooded American girls are alone together for more than two seconds. In addition, Mary DID so nicely deliver a kiss to Thomas for me when she saw him at that lecture last month; I figure she and I must be practically married by now. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:18:14 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In a message dated 11/17/97 1:47:58 AM, crackers wrote: <> We figure there must be artist's renderings of our antics somewhere on the net by now. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:10:21 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In a message dated 11/16/97 7:23:30 PM, crackers wrote: <> I did a drawing class once for a friend of mine (he and a few of his co-workers); it was January, and there was NO HEAT at all in his studio. I sat for three hours, trying to think warm thoughts. The people felt so sorry for me, they gave me lots of money afterwards. <> Our friend John thought they were so cool, he now wants to fly over from California & have Dave bodypaint HIM! <> Correct... but, one other is at least partly visible (and there are a couple you can't see at all in these photos). Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: The depravity continues <> My grandfather's nickname was SPAM!!! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:25:49 -0700 From: Keith Stansell Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ Well, I guess I and Crackers sort of started this dibs thing again. I think someone earlier suggested that we souldn't worry if two people want to do the same song because each version would likely be unique and interesting contrast. So if Mary/Steve want to do "The Wreck of the Fairchild" they should also be able to. What 'd ya think. - -- Keith Stansell Denver, CO __________________________________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:09:34 -0500 From: Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter I'd steer clear of any over-glorification of the Macc Ladds if I were you= - although some of their numbers do have a certain (very) naive charm, thei= r average material is only slightly short of illegal. Samples include the non-ironic classic 'He's a poof,' the spectacularly right-on anti-anti-famine anthem 'Feed Your Face - (Don't Give Them A Second Thought)', and some other one about killing Argentinians, whose name escapes me at the moment. All in all they're the kind of thing that 14-year-old public schoolboys listen to to be 'rebellious' and anyone ove= r that age who persists in listening to it is a retard and should consult their doctor. On the subject of the drink Boddingtons, most people over here who know their ale would give it a rather wide berth, being, as it is, a mass-produced cheepie beer promoted by a patronising Southern marketing campaign. And anyway, all beer from Lancashire is disgusting anyway, as a= ny good Yorkshireman will tell you! the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:43:53 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Re: Robin wrote >A really unstable woman I used to work with had a sex change & moved to >Denver some years back. So, if you meet a tiny, delicate, hostile man named >Christopher who used to be named Lorraine, you might want to be careful of >how you word things. She, er, I mean he, almost sounds like my ex-girlfriend, only she was proportionately the other way. A very large woman with an attitude. She attempted suicide twice just to get my attention. There are rumors of affairs she had with other women and men while she dated me. JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:52:35 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter Slarvi wrote >If you're not sure what a Mancunian accent sounds like, 'Daphne' in Frasier >is a close approximation, though she's supposed to be from Rochdale, which >is a few miles north of Manchester. You could probably get a good sampling from listening to New Order or The Smiths, right? JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:46:56 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Project BOOK *snip* not only will it be presented as a >personal gift to Thomas & be seen by everyone at Alloy who wants a copy (I >hope to do a high-quality run of probably 100 copies of the book from cover >to cover), but you can also then add it to your resume that your work has >been published in the first volume of an exclusive, limited edition annual >publication. Tempting! Now that should be reason enough! JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:24:52 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Apologies to Robin Robin wrote >Oh no... pssstpsstpsst... we're whispering to each other behind everyone >else's backs. I hope this isn't rude! Nah. They would just get upset seeing more email on topics non-Dolby anyway. Especially since ours are numerous and lengthy. JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:14:32 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Expense Lem wrote >Er, I have a bad memory for this kind of thing but it's definitely an >Ensoniq something-or-other. I think it may be a Mirage-DSK. That was one of the boards I was looking at back when I didn't have a job yet. It should be pretty decent. I have no idea how much you paid (not familiar with American to English money translations) >Like Jose, I'd be keen on some guidance from the experts as to how to hook >the thing up to a PC throught the midi ports, by the way. I believe that you can just connect the MIDI Out from the Ensoniq to the MIDI In on the PC and vice versa. If, when you press a key, you get this eerie build up of the same note, then you need to turn off a "MIDI Echo" or Repeat or whatever, off. Either on the Ensoniq or the PC. But if you're not planning on recording voice, guitar or whatever on the PC, you probably don't need the PC unless you don't like the built in sequencer on the Ensoniq. JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:36:18 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Cry Wolf Robin wrote >I rented it recently because my friend, who is from Sioux Falls, SD, urged me >to see so I'd know what South Dakota looks like. A lot of local people were >actors/extras in that film & it played in Sioux Falls theaters for months & >months, with everyone flocking to see it, pointing out everyone they knew, or >themselves, in the film. Same with Starship Troopers. It was filmed near Casper when I lived there. The really cool landscape with the stalamites everywhere striped with layers of tan and red is an area called Hell's Half Acre about an hour from Casper. Everybody was excited because half the youth in town were extras. I had a few friends there too. They had the premiere in Los Angeles and Casper. I was going to see it but it sounds like it's awfully graphic, so I decided not to. Everybody was excited to see "Doogie Howser" in town. Except that you don't call him Doogie anymore or he might be tempted to beat you up (or send his bodyguards after you.) But nobody can seem to remember his real name. I still have a hard time seing him as a futuristic warrior, but everybody I know who worked on the set said that he is actually really cool. So I don't know. >One of my problems with the film was that the Southern soldiers were at least >three times the shot that any Northern soldier was, and would have picked >Kevin Costner off that horse in about two seconds when he rode out onto the >open field, crazy or not. Aw, it was just a movie. Of course, stranger things have happened. Just watch "Real TV." What I thought was odd was, here in this movie the skinning of buffalo made the audience really think it was a terrible thing the white man did, but then later in another movie (I don't remember the name, but it's the story of the sheriff at the OK corral. I really should be able to remember it.) Kevin Costner is the white man skinning the buffalo! That's Hollywood. By the way, I'm an extra in one of Kevin's movies! American Riders; one of his first movies. It's the scene where he's almost at the finish line, wrecks, and the crowd cheers him on so he picks up his busted bike and runs across the line! Woohoo!! Ok, so anyway, I'm the white red-head with an afro (no, really) encouraging him to get up. I look terrible but it's my only appearance in a movie. >Also much of the film seems to mimic my cousin James Willard Shultz' real >life, living with the Blackfoot nation toward the end of the last century - >and I was nitpicking over this the whole time & getting all distracted. You had a cousin that lived about a hundred years ago? How does that work? JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:21:45 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - DIBBS >And just think, probably by the year 2005 there'll be digital >porta-studios that are just as cheap as the analogue ones are today! Yeah, they will be standard in "Windows 05." Wait! How are they going to name Windows after 1999? JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp In article <199711170119_MC2-286E-97F6@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >So, what you are saying is it was a bit nipply that day? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Thug 2: Yeah. CRACKERS (There's a nip in the air from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 14:56:44 MST From: bcohen@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Barbara A Cohen) Subject: Alloy: The Fixx Well, not to gush about music other than our hero's, but.... I really love the Fixx and have been following them since about the same time as TMDR (around 1982??). They've released a bunch of albums after their early-80's stuff, and had a minor hit in like 1989, "Secret Separation." Then they had an album in 1991 or 92, and I got to see that tour. So now, they've written a whole bunch of new stuff, but their label (MCA) has dropped them so nobody knows quite how that'll work. It's the original lineup, except for the bassist, who only left before this tour. They're apparently much more recognized here than in the UK as well. Anyway, it was a great time seeing them. Cy Curnin is as cute as ever :) :) *B* Barbara Cohen Cosmochemical Cocktail Mixer, PhD to be ****************************************** Why be difficult when with a little bit of effort you can be impossible? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In a message dated 11/17/97 1:47:58 AM, you wrote: <, you wrote: >In case we really are offending other Alloy folk, I'll attempt to behave >myself for awhile now... ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Oh yeah, nothing offends me like two beautiful women exchanging sexual innuendos. Just for that, it's into the tub of Mazolla for the both of you. Hey, anyone wanna see my impersonation of an iron fist in a glove full of vasceline? ;) CRACKERS (My monkey from hell!!!!!)>> I love it when Robin offends me. - --the little heard from but ever present Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert B. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote: > > > Good gracious me. I didn't know we were EXPORTING the stuff. Actually, > it's probably brewed under license over there. I wonder how close it is to > the REAL thing (and I don't mean Pokey Pola). We'll probably never know. > All that matters is that it has a widget. That's 99% of the Boddy's appeal for me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert B. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter I regularly quaff Boddy's at The George And Dragon Pub in Seattle. I collect the widgets. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tra-La-La La-La-La One Banana, Two Banana, Three Banana Four.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:24 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Alloy: New World Accordion >Hey Crackers, > >I'm in for something on all accounts music and writing, just don't know >what yet. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Okee Dokee... let me know when you've got something. And I think it's official now. The B-Day tape will be two parts. Each contributor may submit in addition to the Thomas Dolby Cover, one original work for the B-Side. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >BTW - It's official seeing as it was on Radio Four early morning news >last week. The accordian is making a come back and will be THE instrument >of the Millenium! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ This is good and this is bad. It's good because then I'll have a better chance of having my music accepted. It's bad because there'll be more accordionists which means the price of second hand accordions will go up (right now you can get them cheap at yard sales and flea markets) as well as more competition for accordionists. One of the biggest advantages I discovered when I switched my focus from keyboards to accordion was that I had little competition (and what competition I have I play better than ;). You can't throw a rock without hitting another keyboardist in Hamilton (same for guitarists) but I only know of two other people who make their bucks playing accordion in Hamilton (three if you count Walter Ostinak (the Polka King) who lives in St. Kitts and plays in Hamilton alot.) And of them I'm the only one who excells at zydeco, cajun and Brechtian music. (I can hold my own on the celtic stuff the other two play, and I don't do Polka so Walter and I move in different circles. Although I'd love to go visit his shop and get some new squeeze boxes) Right now I'm very special and unique, but if the accordion becomes as mainstream as the six-string then I'll just be one of many. And, of course, I know exactly what will happen if accordion music does become the biggest thing in the 21st century. Some new pretty boy/girl who plays the same style I do will get all the industry attention and the people who have been playing this stuff for years will remain totally unknown. Feh! Life stinks! CRACKERS (Oh well from hell!!!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Expense In article <3.0.1.32.19971117103826.006d2128@computerwire.co.uk>, you wrote: >At 05:17 p.m. 14/11/97 -0500, Europa wrote: >Er, I have a bad memory for this kind of thing but it's definitely an >Ensoniq something-or-other. I think it may be a Mirage-DSK. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Woohoo!!! I have a Mirage-DSK too. Infact, I used it on my cover of Nuvogue as the clarinet. It's a neat little sampler, very grungy with analogue filters. If you want to tade sample disks for it let me know. If you find an ST computer, I can send you a copy of a programme that'll let you edit the samples graphically on the computer screen (much easier than doing it on the Mirage itself). ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >It came with a very sturdy flight case and a whole load of >samples and voices on disk. I have no idea how much it's actually worth but >160quid seemed reasonable. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ In Canada they sell anywhere between $200 for the keyboard version to $500 for the rack module version (one of those rare instances where the rack mount version of a synth is actually worth more thanthe keyboard version). I paid $1000 for my second hand Mirage way back in the 80's (OUCH! But a deal at the time). The flight case could well be worth more than the synth itself, so it sounds like you've got a bargain! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >Like Jose, I'd be keen on some guidance from the experts as to how to hook >the thing up to a PC throught the midi ports, by the way. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Midi Out on the Mirage to Midi In on the PC. Midi Out on the PC to Midi In on the Mirage. Then Parametre 81 - OFF (Turns OMNI off on the mirage... only one midi device then don't work about it. This just determins if the Mirage will respond to data on all midi channels or only the channel it is set for) Then Parametre 82 - set to whatever midi channel you want. Incidently, if you don;t do much programming work you might want to brush up on your HEX since that is the numbering method the Mirage uses. Try not to move your Mirage around too much. They don't take well to movement, the chips become easily unseated. I'm constantly opening mine up to push the chips back in as they eventually wiggle free after some aggressive playing. I very reluctantly take my Mirage out to gigs as it's such a pain to move. So if your Mirage mysteriously stops working one day, don't panic, open it up, remove the keyboard, and push down on all the chips on the motherboard. 99.9% of the time that'll fix any problems with the beastie. The only time I've encountered a problem I couldn't fix with the Mirage was when my friend asked me to repair a Mirage his cat had spunked on.... ....eeewwww the grossest repair I've ever made in my life (worse than the Atari Roach Motel). I opened the machine and there was cat spunk all over everything but the diskdrive (fortunately). So I took the keyboard and motherboard out.... .... and washed them in the bathtub.... three times. Man, nothing is harder to get rid of than cat spunk. I also had to wash the case out several times before the smell was gone. Unfortunately after reassembling the mirage, the keyboard would still not work. But the problem wasn't with the keyboard itself, the custom chip in the Mirage that scans the keyboard was fried (and discontinued too). But I got repaired the one filter that was spunkedified. So we just made it a sound module (the midi worked fine). ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >Yes, this one has the look of early 80s about it. And I'm sure a new one >wouldn't be nearly so heavy. Maybe the heft of such keyboards explains >TMDR's uncanny upper-body strength? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Very early 80's. The Ensoniq Mirage was the first affordable sampler made. It was like the VW Beetle of samplers. Tonnes and tonnes of these beasties were sold. They were to samplers like what the CZ-101 was to synths. Also, the people who designed the Mirage later incorporated a modified version of the Mirage into the Amiga and Apple ][GS computers for their sound systems. CRACKERS (Everyone had one from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In article <971117061813_1904222713@mrin53.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >We figure there must be artist's renderings of our antics somewhere on the >net by now. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Maybe I'll get to use on this after my exams. A little cut and paste and instant Alloy Virtual Orgy. CRACKERS (Woohoo from hell!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In article <971117055935_-2078126857@mrin52.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/16/97 7:02:45 PM, Slarvi wrote: >But I'll try to explain. crackers has printouts of our Alloy photos on his >wall, and was describing how they are grouped. Slarvi, you were all alone >somewhere on the wall, while Mary and I were together by the window. Mary >wanted to suggest that we join you, and I suggested that my paint pictures be >hung next to you so you wouldn't get bored. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Actually, all the photos are printed out on a single sheet of paper. CRACKERS (Nice and handy from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:29 -0500 (EST) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alloy: He's the dj, In article <971117061020_130188399@mrin53.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/16/97 7:23:30 PM, crackers wrote: > ><condolences that it was so cold where you were modeling. ;)>> > >I did a drawing class once for a friend of mine (he and a few of his >co-workers); it was January, and there was NO HEAT at all in his studio. I >sat for three hours, trying to think warm thoughts. The people felt so sorry >for me, they gave me lots of money afterwards. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ I guess that's one advantage of being a female. Put you on display, naked, in a cold room and you'll look very sexy. Put a guy on display, maked, in a cold room and he'll look.... .... less than spectacular. (Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be) ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ><tattoos.>> > >Correct... but, one other is at least partly visible (and there are a couple >you can't see at all in these photos). ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Well I guess Dave will have to do some more body painting. ;) CRACKERS (What a canvas from hell!!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 16:20:56 MST From: "Dan Swan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter Tim Dunn said: - -> - ->I'd steer clear of any over-glorification of the Macc Ladds if I were you= - -> - - ->although some of their numbers do have a certain (very) naive charm, thei= - ->r - ->average material is only slightly short of illegal. Samples include the - ->non-ironic classic 'He's a poof,' the spectacularly right-on - ->anti-anti-famine anthem 'Feed Your Face - (Don't Give Them A Second - ->Thought)', and some other one about killing Argentinians, whose name - ->escapes me at the moment. All in all they're the kind of thing that - ->14-year-old public schoolboys listen to to be 'rebellious' and anyone ove= - ->r - ->that age who persists in listening to it is a retard and should consult - ->their doctor. When do I make the appointment? - ->On the subject of the drink Boddingtons, most people over here who know - ->their ale would give it a rather wide berth, being, as it is, a - ->mass-produced cheepie beer promoted by a patronising Southern marketing - ->campaign. And anyway, all beer from Lancashire is disgusting anyway, as a= - ->ny - ->good Yorkshireman will tell you! So, anyways, what DO you like? ............................................................................. "And if you want to Swan, one to one... kid, we don't need a pond." -Prefab Sprout Dan Swan at U of Calgary. http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dswan Standard Disclaimers Apply, Finger for PGP. ............................................................................. Resources are finite. Population growth is exponential. You do the math. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #255 ***************************