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alloy-digest         Monday, November 17 1997         Volume 02 : Number 254



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Re: Alloy: Minestrone : article  [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander]
  Re: Alloy: Who has the central webpage?  [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. A]
  Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,                               [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re:  Alloy: Apologies to Robin                             [RThurF@aol.com]
  Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@comp]
  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,     ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>]
  Alloy: Dibbs                        [Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com>]
  Alloy: A friend needs comfort!  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compu]
  Re:  Alloy: Project B-Day ][                            [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,                            [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re:  Alloy: The depravity continues                     [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re:  Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - DIBBS                    [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][     [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)]
  Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter         ["Dan Swan" <dswan@acs.ucalgary.ca>]
  Re:  Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp                       [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re:  Re: Alloy: Batman Schmatman (speaking of Boy Orifice..)  [RThurF@aol.]
  Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,                               [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re: Alloy: UK Chocolate                         [Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>]
  [none]                                                     [RThurF@aol.com]
  Alloy: Project BOOK                                        [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@]
  Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.g]
  Re:  Alloy: The depravity continues  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <h]
  Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.g]
  Alloy: Boddington's Bitt    ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>]
  Alloy: Comments on the b    ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>]
  Alloy: Caligula was an amateur  ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.]
  Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@comp]
  Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@comp]
  Alloy: Comments on the bdaytape  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@comp]
  Alloy: Re:                                              [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,                                 [crackers@hwcn.org]
  Re: Alloy: Project BOOK                                 [crackers@hwcn.org]

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:59:58 -0700
From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Alloy: Minestrone : article

Still catching up on my email

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:35:09 +0000 "David Gross" <gross@photonet.com>
writes:
>http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/7950.html
>
>I invite us all to read the above article as brain food/background 
>info.  for "fan's" independent music projects.
>
>David
>

Very interesting!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:29:29 -0700
From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Alloy: Who has the central webpage?

On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:03:54 -0500 Beth Meyer <gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu>
writes:

<snip>
>if anyone else wants to be added, please let me know.  And yes, the page

>could probably stand to be jazzed up a little -- suggestions are also
welcome,
>though I can't guarantee that I'll have time to implement them soon.

Mine is www.geocities.com/hotsprings/2717.

JAMac

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:13:26 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

In a message dated 11/16/97 1:03:36 AM, you wrote:

<<I have to take a gander at these photos.... what is the URL
>>

I sent it to you in my e-mail about the birthday projects. This modeling
stuff will be old hat to you though... I know that your very beautiful wife
has also worked as an artists model. 
"Naked ladies," said crackers, rolling his eyes skyward. "How passe!"

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:08:09 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Alloy: Apologies to Robin

In a message dated 11/16/97 1:16:01 AM, JAMac wrote:

<<I sometimes tend to be quick in tounge and slow in thought when speaking
to others about themselves.  And when I don't think first, I tend to make
bad assumptions.
>>

Don't worry!! I've already sent a reply to your letter, which should be
helpful.

Oh no... pssstpsstpsst... we're whispering to each other behind everyone
else's backs. I hope this isn't rude!

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:08:57 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp

Robin,

regarding the prize for guessing `who's the tattoo' you wrote:

 > I suppose any of those three prize options would be appropriate. =

 > I'll also take suggestions, if anyone else has ideas. =


careful letting ideas run in this group!  Europa obviously has some . =

=2E .  I was wondering if I could hold the videocam?

She's so silly thinking she might be crushing you.  All 95 lbs. of =

her!  Watch out for those spikey heels though!

giggles,
/\/\iles

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:37:24 -0500
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

The ever provocative Robin said:

 > I'm the prize if you're the winner, sweetheart! Oh, but I shouldn't sa=
y =

 > such things, lest they be seen as offensive by other Alloy members.

Man, I've never been so motivated in my life!!!  And I thought meeting TM=
DR =

was exciting!

In case we really are offending other Alloy folk, I'll attempt to behave =

myself for awhile now...

Mary

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:44:29 -0500
From: Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Dibbs

Put me down for 'One of our Submarines.'

That's providing I have a job by next year, and can afford studio time, a=
nd
I'll also be up for the cover + original, a fine idea.

the_copse

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:25:00 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: A friend needs comfort!

Dear Alloyers,

Please take a moment to send some good wishes and comforting thoughts =

to Ian Gifford.  Ian's mother died this Wednesday past.  I gather it =

was unexpected (see the quote below).  I feel it would be appropriate =

for us to let him know he is in our thoughts and hearts.

Cards may be sent to:

               Ian Gifford
               551 Colborne Street
               London, Ontario
               Canada  N6B-2T9

I suggest a card as the best way to show our concerns as Ian only =

retrieves his email occasionally.  Nevertheless he receives email at:

               igifford@hotmail.com

and will be near a computer through Monday.

Thanks,
Stephen

<this, from Ian, 10AM PST Saturday>

 > I am in Sarnia, Ontario, staying here at my brother Rob's place =

 > with his two adorable kids and lovely wife Ellen. Unfortunately, =

 > this isn't a pleasure visit! You see, I lost my Mom this past =

 > wednesday so I'll bet you can guess what is going on here! It's =

 > pretty heavy and emotional! I am coping fairly well (Heidi has =

 > been quite the pillar for me!) But it still was a big shock!

<Heidi:  Ian's fiancee>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:59:29 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re:  Alloy: Project B-Day ][

In article <971115212028_-488960893@mrin79>, you wrote:

>I wish there were some way to get every single thing Thomas has ever recorded
>in one collection. And I do mean everything. I feel like we're missing out on
>so much great stuff!!
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

What I'd LOVE to hear would be the stuff he recorded before he became a star.
The stuff he recorded ping-ponging tracks with an old Moog in his one room
apartment. That's the stuff I want to hear!

                               CRACKERS
                   (Would give my left one from hell!!!)

- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:59:31 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

In article <971115215331_1247065040@mrin79>, you wrote:

>Hmmmm... I don't actually know what the prize would be. I'll have to think of
>something fun. 
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Woohoo!!!

I just took a gander at the photos and I must say... WOW! Also, my
condolences that it was so cold where you were modeling. ;)

Very inspiring photos. The missus and I will have to take a stab at
bodypainting sometime soon.


As for the tattoos.... my guess is the two squares on your ankle are the
tattoos.

~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
>appropriate. I'll also take suggestions, if anyone else has ideas. 
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Uh-oh! That'll get you into trouble. ;)

                                  CRACKERS
                  (Screwed, blewed and tattooed from hell!!!)


- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:59:34 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re:  Alloy: The depravity continues

In article <971115220822_630988119@mrin51.mail.aol.com>, you wrote:

>Robin (whose mom's maiden name was Spambanato)
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Oh yes,  Spambanato, the inventor of Spam and the Spam-Tin

                                 CRACKERS
             (Must have been freezing in that Spam-Tin from hell!!)

- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:59:27 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re:  Alloy: Project B-Day ][ - DIBBS

In article <971115212842_-524808628@mrin44.mail.aol.com>, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/15/97 7:47:21 PM, crackers wrote:
>
><<As well as the Dolby Covers I'm contemplating having each person send in
>one original song as well. We can have the A-Side of the tape Dolby covers
>and the B-side will be originals. Let me know if you'd like this. Enough
>yes votes and we'll go for it.
>>>
>
>This gets my vote! It will fill the tape nicely, and you can even make it a
>2-tape set if there are that many contributions. I want to give it a go this
>time too now that I have more time to prepare, ditching my Radio Shack tape
>recorder but keeping cello & vocals (and other things!!). How much does yer
>basic 4-track recorder cost these days anyway? 
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~


That's 4-Yes 0-No... looks like the double contribution thing is gonna
happen. (Woohoo). It would be great if we got such a turn out this year that
we needed to make it a double tape set.

Glad you're going to contribute this year.

As for the 4-Track... the type I used (Tascam Porta Studio One) sells used
here in Canada for around $350. I don't know what they go for in the States
though.

They make new ones in the $500-$800 price range depending on what sort of
features you're after. Those 4-Track porta-studios have got to be the best
thing to come out for the unknown musician on a budget, even better than
MIDI. And you combine the two and you're unstopable. I get very good results
with my simple 4-track/MIDI setup.

Infact, if you want to get into MIDI it's never been cheaper. I've found a
whole slew of old Atari ST computers at the Goodwill and Sally-Anne for
only $10 each (well... I paid $15 for one, but it was a Mega-2 ST).
They may be ancient machines, but I can do more on them than I can on my 486
when it comes to MIDI (and they don't crash as much either).

Of course, all of use obviously already have computers so the lack of a 
computer isn't really an issue. But for someone just starting out, I
recommend hitting the thrift shops looking for an old ST.

And just think, probably by the year 2005 there'll be digital 
porta-studios that are just as cheap as the analogue ones are today!

                                CRACKERS
              (Then there will be no stopping me from hell!!!)

- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:04:28 -0700
From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day ][

Oh Fine!  Muffed again I see!

Well then, how bout "Beauty of a Dream".  And if somebody claims that,
then I'll take "Weightless".  OK?

On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:41:38 -0500 (EST) CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
writes:
>
>Umm... sorry, but Miles beat you to The Flat Earth by just a wee bit.
>
>Incidently, I was only making a joke when I called dibbs on "Hot 
>Sauce" in
>my tagline, but since it seems to have caused a panic of Dibbs I might
>I decided to start taking them for real (as well as actually picking
>Hot Sauce for my song).
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 14:27:13 MST
From: "Dan Swan" <dswan@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter

Boddingtons is catching on big here in Canada among the 20-25
'alternative' set.  

There was a big boddy's boom about 5 years ago among the
Skinheads.... it sprang from a band called the MACCLADS, who sing
incessantly about 'boddys and crack'.

Listening to the Macclads, one would think that anyone with a bit
of life in them in the UK drinks boddys.  It would be funny if it
is less popular there than here.

It used to be difficult to get Boddys here, but since the alcohol
industry has been deregulated and is now the domain of private
enterprise, it's easy to get anything.

Is boddys widely drinken in the UK??

Dennis S. Alexander said:
- ->
- ->
- ->
- ->Slarv!
- ->
- ->I was heading for the Department of Motor Vehicle to get my Colorado
- ->Drivers License when I happened to be directly behind a beer truck.  It
- ->was painted dark brown with a great big ad for Boddington's on the back
- ->door.  Established in 1729, was it?  If that's what I remember.  The
- ->truck was even near the Wynkoop pub!  I probably could have followed it
- ->there.
- ->
- ->Sorry, I don't visit the pubs all that much so I don't know just how many
- ->people know about or even drink Boddington's, but somebody must!
- ->
- ->JAMac
- ->

.............................................................................
   "And if you want to Swan, one to one...  kid, we don't need a pond."
                             -Prefab Sprout

	Dan Swan at U of Calgary.	http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dswan    
		Standard Disclaimers Apply, Finger for PGP.
.............................................................................
 Resources are finite.  Population growth is exponential.   You do the math.	

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:18:30 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp

In a message dated 11/16/97 3:20:24 AM, Miles wrote:

<<She's so silly thinking she might be crushing you.  All 95 lbs. of 

her!  Watch out for those spikey heels though!

>>

oui, mon cher, she is but a delicate flower. (It's really best that she's on
top; good judgement call, crackers. I'm not saying how much I weigh! :)

Dave came up with another idea for a prize in this contest... the winner and
I will be bodypainted & photographed together for the page!! and yes, you can
hold the videocam. 

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:02:33 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Alloy: Batman Schmatman (speaking of Boy Orifice..)

In a message dated 11/13/97 4:22:55 AM, JAMac wrote (about Dances W/ Wolves):

<<That is such a powerful movie!  Everytime I watch it (I own it), I want
to abandon all civilization and just be one with nature, as God
intended... But it would get lonely out there, so I don't.
>>

LOL! 

I rented it recently because my friend, who is from Sioux Falls, SD, urged me
to see so I'd know what South Dakota looks like. A lot of local people were
actors/extras in that film & it played in Sioux Falls theaters for months &
months, with everyone flocking to see it, pointing out everyone they knew, or
themselves, in the film.

One of my problems with the film was that the Southern soldiers were at least
three times the shot that any Northern soldier was, and would have picked
Kevin Costner off that horse in about two seconds when he rode out onto the
open field, crazy or not. 

Also much of the film seems to mimic my cousin James Willard Shultz' real
life, living with the Blackfoot nation toward the end of the last century -
and I was nitpicking over this the whole time & getting all distracted. 

Loved the wolf though!!

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:21:47 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

In a message dated 11/16/97 4:23:14 AM, Mary wrote:

<<In case we really are offending other Alloy folk, I'll attempt to behave 

myself for awhile now...

>>

but please... only for a little while... 
;)
Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:36:22 -0500
From: Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Alloy: UK Chocolate

Quite some time ago, Slarv wrote:
> Talking of Guinnes, have you had the Guinness screen saver doing  the
> rounds in the US.

	Unfortunately, it's not available for Unix.  Another for the list,
around the top of which is Beatnik...!

> Now, who prefers draught to bottled or canned (with a widget, of course)?

	Well, Guinness on draught is naturally unsurpassed (IMHO, among all
beers); after that, I prefer draught-style in that nifty can above the
Extra Stout style in bottles.  That's here in the US, though, so I don't
know how closely those match the styles in the UK...

	I tried Boddington's for the first time the other day -- when I saw it
on tap after hearing so much about it 'round here I couldn't resist --
and I must say it's certainly good stuff!

	OTOH, I prefer Hershey's to most of the European chocolate I've tasted;
I'll have to try UK chocolate if I ever get around that way (maybe next
spring, if I'm lucky!).

- -spc

- -- 
 /-                     Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>                     -\
( If I had'n'a shot poor Delia, I'd'a had her for my wife; Delia's gone
)
 \-                 http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~scier                  -/

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:42:55 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: [none]

In a message dated 11/12/97 3:55:13 AM, JAMac wrote:

<<I am now here in Denver CO, USA.  I am no longer a hick.  I am no longer
a resident of Wyoming.  I no longer stick out like a sore thumb.  I AM
HOME!  (I was born and raised in Denver).>>

A really unstable woman I used to work with had a sex change & moved to
Denver some years back. So, if you meet a tiny, delicate, hostile man named
Christopher who used to be named Lorraine, you might want to be careful of
how you word things.

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:26:30 -0500 (EST)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Alloy: Project BOOK

Everyone at Alloy:

The people who have officially signed on to do work for the B-day Art Book
are:

Dave
JAMac
Lem  
Melissa
Paul (willing to give it a go!), &
Robin

So far, I haven't heard from lots of other people on the list who I know are
also artists/writers. I'm sure it has more to do with lack of reply time than
any lack of over-the-top enthusiasm on their part - because, as everyone
knows, if you contribute work to the book, not only will it be presented as a
personal gift to Thomas & be seen by everyone at Alloy who wants a copy (I
hope to do a high-quality run of probably 100 copies of the book from cover
to cover), but you can also then add it to your resume that your work has
been published in the first volume of an exclusive, limited edition annual
publication. Tempting!

crackers will be polling all members for title ideas for the book and the
tape sometime within the next several months. 

Send in work! Delight the man you love & admire (Thomas)! Get Published!!

Robin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:20 GMT
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

At 05:31 15/11/97 -0500, Mary wrote:
>
>Well, you beat me to it!  With your permission I was going to invite him to 
>join us!  Are *you* by any chance the prize?  I'll have to print out the 
>photos and study them carefully...
>
>Mary
>
>

Invite me to join you doing WHAT?  Dog dammit, I think I've completely lost
the plot somewhere along the way.  And I haven't even seem the body paint
pics yet.  I'll make a point of taking a peek tomorrow.

BH

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:23 GMT
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter

At 06:17 15/11/97 -0700, JAMac wrote:
>Slarv!
>
>I was heading for the Department of Motor Vehicle to get my Colorado
>Drivers License when I happened to be directly behind a beer truck.  It
>was painted dark brown with a great big ad for Boddington's on the back
>door.  Established in 1729, was it?  If that's what I remember.  The
>truck was even near the Wynkoop pub!  I probably could have followed it
>there.
>
>Sorry, I don't visit the pubs all that much so I don't know just how many
>people know about or even drink Boddington's, but somebody must!
>
>JAMac
>


Good gracious me.  I didn't know we were EXPORTING the stuff.  Actually,
it's probably brewed under license over there.   I wonder how close it is to
the REAL thing (and I don't mean Pokey Pola). We'll probably never know.

BH

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:26 GMT
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re:  Alloy: The depravity continues

At 22:08 15/11/97 -0500, Robin wrote:
>>>
>
>Non ti preoccupare, io mi accontento di poco, bella Maria! 
>
>Robin (whose mom's maiden name was Spambanato)
>Fortunamente, la societa di oggi non condanna piu certe cose :)
>

Spambanato!!!!  Is that Spanish or Italian for Spam Tin?

Spamibarglhee

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:17:53 GMT
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Boddington's Bitter

At 14:27 16/11/97 MST, Dan Swan wrote:
>
>Listening to the Macclads, one would think that anyone with a bit
>of life in them in the UK drinks boddys.  It would be funny if it
>is less popular there than here.
>
The Macclads had a cult following over here, but got into trouble for the
content of a lot of their material, I believe, not that I ever heard any of
it myself.
>
>Is boddys widely drinken in the UK??
>

Oh yes, very widely indeed, particularly here in Manchester where it
originated.  They've had some great adverts on TV as well, usually starting
as some sort of sophisticated product which fools you into thinking it's for
something else, often featuring a world class model in an apparently exotic
location surrounded by bronzed studs, and it's only at the end you find out
it's for Boddies, probably in Blackpool or on the Manchester Ship Canal and
with the punch line delivered in a Manchester accent.

The current one involves a black athlete running across the desert a-la
Pirelli tires advert, which you may not get in the US, and a vehicle
streaking along in the distance, chasing the athlete to an exciting musical
soundtrack.  This goes on for some time until the vehicle overtakes the
athlete and stops in a cloud of dust, but it isn't a Ferrari or Porche, it's
an ice cream cart, driven by the lovely Melanie Sykes, a gorgeous model and
TV personality from Manchester.  She hands the athlete a pint of Boddies,
with its trade-mark creamy head, and asks him, 'Do you want a flake with
that, chuck?' in her broad Mancunian accent, which immediately destroys her
air of sophistication.

One of the first ads showed a beautiful woman in a trendy apartment getting
ready for a night on the town while her dinner suited beau waits on the
balcony.  She applies a very rich face cream to her velvety smooth cheek,
but on the second application you see that she's scooping it from the creamy
head of a pint of Boddies.

As her beau places her wrap around her shoulders he says, 'By 'eck, you
smell gorgeous tonight sweet heart,' in the typical Mancunian accent and
surreptitiously takes a swig from the pint as she gets up to leave.

If you're not sure what a Mancunian accent sounds like, 'Daphne' in Frasier
is a close approximation, though she's supposed  to be from Rochdale, which
is a few miles north of Manchester.

Slarv

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:01:18 -0500
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Boddington's Bitt

  =

=2E......................................................................=
=2E....
 >    "And if you want to Swan, one to one...  kid, we don't need a =

 > pond."                              -Prefab Sprout
 > =

 >         Dan Swan at U of Calgary.       =

 > http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dswan    =

 >                 Standard Disclaimers Apply, Finger for PGP.
=2E......................................................................=
=2E.....

Dan!  Glad to see you back, Buddy!  Hmm, I'll have to investigate if =

there's a Swan Ave here in Santa Rosa...

Mary  =

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:01:21 -0500
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Comments on the b

Ages ago, the lovely Beth said:

 > About Stephen & Mary's "Therapy/Growth" -- very cool to finally =

 > hear this song, and done quite nicely.  It tends to get in my =

 > head and stay there. And who knew that, in addition to her other =

 > many talents, Mary spoke beautiful French? Of course, I've been =

 > racking my brain trying to interpret it with my very rusty French =

 > skills.  Is this what you're saying?
 > =

 > "One cannot find this song of Thomas' anymore for certain."
 > =

 > (And of course, the "Happy birthday, Thomas!" at the end.)

As usual, my loyal friends here at Alloy give me more credit than I'm due=
=2E  I =

had to reach back to my high school days to come up with this because I =

couldn't understand what is truly being said on the original (though it d=
oes =

sound to me as though the guy says he can't find something).  You are nea=
rly =

completely accurate in your interpretation.  What I said is:

"On ne peut pas trouver cette chanson
C'est dommage, tres certainment"

which means:

One cannot find this song.  What a shame, quite certainly."

I give you an "A", Beth!  And I hope that Robin will enlighten us as well=
, =

seeing as how Stephen's Italian/English dictionary is missing a few =

vocabulary words!  We did manage to figure out most of it, I think.

Thanks for the compliments, Beth!

Europa

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:01:23 -0500
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Caligula was an amateur

The irrepressible CRACKERS gratifyingly responded to me with:

~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~=
^~^~
>I am so pleased and flattered that you have all of our pictures posted n=
ear =

>your computer!  It enables me to feel even more like Europa (is there a =

>window sill nearby?).
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~=
^~^~

 > Well, it's within 1 foot of a window sill. You're on top of Robin.
 > (Hey, I'll bet there are plenty here who would pay good money to =

 > see that... ... yepper, I've got an active imaginary life too ;) =

 > And beside Lee.
 > =

 > Croydon, you're sandwiched between Barbara and Miss Sakamoto.
 > =

 > And Keith, you've got Beth and Lissu on top of you.
 > =

 > Slarvi doesn't have any women near him because... well... in his =

 > picture it looks like he's having fun all by himself. ;)

 > Yes, it's the Alloy Virtual Orgy.

Slarvi,
This is what you missed!  CRACKERS, I hope you rearrange us every once in=
 =

awhile.  God knows it's a great temptation to monopolize Robin but I feel=
 I =

should share...(I'm your slave, Robin!  I couldn't even behave myself for=
 an =

entire day!).

And now the Dolby content:  While perusing the program to the Stones' tou=
r,
I noticed that TMDR was mentioned in the blurb about the horn section (Th=
e =

New West Horns).  It refers to their work on the New York session circuit=
 =

making them first choice for a diverse group of producers including Thoma=
s =

Dolby.  Hmm, better check on that connection.  Prefab Sprout or Joni Mitc=
hell =

maybe?

Europa

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:18:48 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp

Sweet Robin,

 > Dave came up with another idea for a prize in this contest... the =

 > winner and I will be bodypainted & photographed together for the =

 > page!! and yes, you can hold the videocam. =


WooHoo!  Now you've got my attention.  I'll take a stab at it, but if =

I win Europa gets the complimentary artwork.  Dinner in Boston on me.

Ciao!
/\/\

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:18:50 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: He's the dj,I'm the vamp

Crackers wrote:

 > I just took a gander at the photos and I must say... WOW! Also, my
 > condolences that it was so cold where you were modeling. ;)

So, what you are saying is it was a bit nipply that day?

/\/\

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:18:46 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Comments on the bdaytape

Mary wrote:

 > As usual, my loyal friends here at Alloy give me more credit than =

 > I'm due. =

 > I had to reach back to my high school days to come up with this =

 > because I couldn't understand what is truly being said on the =

 > original (though it does sound to me as though the guy says he =

 > can't find something).  You are nearly completely accurate in =

 > your interpretation.  What I said is:
 > =

 > "On ne peut pas trouver cette chanson
 > C'est dommage, tres certainment"
 > =

 > which means:
 > =

 > One cannot find this song.  What a shame, quite certainly."
 > =

 > I give you an "A", Beth!  And I hope that Robin will enlighten us =

 > as well, seeing as how Stephen's Italian/English dictionary is =

 > missing a few vocabulary words!  We did manage to figure out most =

 > of it, I think.
 > =

 > Thanks for the compliments, Beth!
 > =

 > Europa

Maybe some of you can see why I love this girl . . .

/\/\iles

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:13 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Alloy: Re: 

In article <199711162242.RAA21486@mrin58.mail.aol.com>, you wrote:

>A really unstable woman I used to work with had a sex change & moved to
>Denver some years back. So, if you meet a tiny, delicate, hostile man named
>Christopher who used to be named Lorraine, you might want to be careful of
>how you word things.
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

There's a song in there somewhere.

                                 CRACKERS
                       (If only I could find it from hell!!)



- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:08 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re: Alloy: He's the dj,

In article <199711160337_MC2-285B-5CE2@compuserve.com>, you wrote:

>In case we really are offending other Alloy folk, I'll attempt to behave 
>myself for awhile now...
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Oh yeah, nothing offends me like two beautiful women exchanging sexual 
innuendos.

Just for that, it's into the tub of Mazolla for the both of you.

Hey, anyone wanna see my impersonation of an iron fist in a glove full of
vasceline? ;)

                                  CRACKERS
                          (My monkey from hell!!!!!)


- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:16:15 -0500 (EST)
From: crackers@hwcn.org
Subject: Re: Alloy: Project BOOK

In article <971116182629_194792637@mrin40.mail.aol.com>, you wrote:
>Everyone at Alloy:
>
>The people who have officially signed on to do work for the B-day Art Book
>are:
>
>Dave
>JAMac
>Lem  
>Melissa
>Paul (willing to give it a go!), &
>Robin
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

You can count me in too. I've figured out what I'll contribute.

                                 CRACKERS
                       (I'll work on it later from hell!!!)

- -- 

Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\
*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/
Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/=

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