From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #216 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 02 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Let's have a party! [Keith Stansell ] Alloy: My real name. ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Biographies ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Let's have a party! ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Re: Alloy: My real name. [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: this is me. . . [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Frisco Concert [Elaine Linstruth ] Alloy: The Party Room Is Ready! [Keith Stansell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 02:04:17 -0700 From: Keith Stansell Subject: Re: Alloy: Let's have a party! Robin, you can talk about bad knees if you want to, I'd be happy to. Any subject is up for grabs at the party! We just need to set a time! For now, I'll say Monday October 13th at 7:00PM Mountain Daylight Savings Time. Dress Casual. BYOJ (bring your own java). - -Keith (spoken in alpha numerals) Denver, CO __________________________________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman/chat.shtml RThurF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/10/97 2:32:08 PM, Keith wrote: > > < > party chat session at "my place". > > >> > > Hi Keith! > > This is a great idea & I'd love to go, but only if I can still talk > about bad > knees anyway. > > :) > > Robin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:15:38 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: My real name. Dear Tim, A while earlier you commented to Frank: > I'm quite embarrassed that my real name goes out on things . . . I am not sure if I can express my thoughts on this completely, but = wish to begin by saying that I am uncomfortable with your sentiment. = My discomfort stems from a dislike of the anonymity offered by most = virtual "chat" rooms. It is my observation, based on a residence in = the online community that dates from the time of the Information = Wagontrack, that when participants are required to properly identify = themselves the quality of exchange is raised considerably. The = participants, in this scenario, take more responsibility for what = they say, more carefully measure their words, and are generally more = polite and considerate of each other. This, all because the = participants are held accountable by the simple power of their true = names. I, for one, am not uncomfortable with this, and instead am glad to = reveal my identity. I wish to lend more credence and accountability = to the things I say. I wish to lend solidity and substance to my = virtual reality, to give real meaning to my experiences in the web = and the time I spend there. I say to my online friends, "This is me, = Stephen Tilson himself, with no personas or veils. What you see is = who I am to the best of my ability to communicate." It enhances my = online time to be and do so. = Some might find this approach naive, but I counter that I endeavor = to maintain my innocence --- the better to sense that which surrounds = me without the encumbrances of cynicism. I am not opposed to handles, of course! Have a few me'self, I do. Yours in music and AllThingsDolby(tm), Stephen "/\/\iles" Tilson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:15:35 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Biographies Hi Lemuel, Did I mention you share my g-g-grandfather's name? > We've covered a bit of this already, but anyone keen to know = > about me (heaven knows why) can do so at = > http://www.computerwire.com/sf/people.htm > = > Right now I'm an editor. Eventually I hope to become an immortal > all-knowing super-being. Earlier I heard you mention a doctorate in the physics of sound! = Would you care to be more specific? I surely would be interested. And earlier still there were rumblings from across the Pond about a = visit to San Francisco in the near future. Still a current plan? = Mary and I would love to host an afternoon of non-virtual ramblings = while you're in our part of the world. Cheers, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:07:33 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Let's have a party! Roger that Keith, That would be 18:00 PDT Monday the thirteenth for Mary and I --- glad to = attend! Should we bring the wine? Till Monday then . . . /\/\iles and /\/\ary Along with Bad Knees, perhaps we could also discuss our mutual RMI's = (Repetitive Motion Injuries) from hitting the "D" key on our computers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 21:22:08 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Re: Admin: Read this please. Dear Alloids, This is actually addressed to electrix. I think this indiscrete: I'd have preferred to have a quiet chat offline with him about this, but the gentleman clearly wanted you to see what he and I have to say. Apologies in advance. electrix, I'd hoped my initial post would have cleared up any uncertainty, but it doesn't look like it, so let me spell this out. It's my task to make sure Alloy runs smoothly and that everyone enjoys themselves in a relaxed environment. The atmosphere of late has become strained, confrontational, and at times outright picky, mainly due to some of your well chosen words. There is no question about the 'group dynamic': the people here simply don't want it this way. As a result I've had several of Alloy's most valuable and most patient people contact me saying their noses have been put out of joint, and expressing doubts about whether they want to stay with the list. electrix, I'm confident that deep down you have some valuable views to offer and can appreciate and accept it when others offer you theirs, but it doesn't show. So, I want to make this clear: /you/ are most welcome here, but your abrasive attitude is not, and my patience for it is about to run out. You are a guest here, and a new one at that. I'd have hoped that, as with any person joining in a new group, you'd have taken a little time to listen first so you could get a feel for the people here, but it seems you don't much care how others perceive you or who's toes get trodden on in the process. I will tolerate many things here, but lack of consideration for others' feelings is not one of them. So, you have four choices: 1. You can mistake this message for a discussion like you did the first one, and take me to task for every unjust remark you think I've made in which case I'll escort you to the nearest exit, 2. You can take your grievances about same to Jeff in which case he'll likely show you the same exit, 3. You could decide Alloy doesn't suit your own particular style of communication, and politely and gracefully excuse yourself (send an email to majordomo@smoe.org with UNSUBSCRIBE ALLOY in the body of the message), or 4. You could pleasantly surprise everyone here by losing the attitude, adding some maturity and showing people the same courtesy and respect they afforded you when you first arrived. So, what's it going to be? Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: My real name. In a message dated 10/12/97 5:36:26 AM, Stephen wrote: <<. . .It is my observation, based on a residence in the online community that dates from the time of the Information Wagontrack, that when participants are required to properly identify themselves the quality of exchange is raised considerably. The participants, in this scenario, take more responsibility for what they say, more carefully measure their words, and are generally more polite and considerate of each other. This, all because the participants are held accountable by the simple power of their true names.>> Very well said!! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: this is me. . . In the spirit of recent autobiographical summaries: I'm 29, married for the past 6 years, w/no children & 4 ferrets; I'm an artist, cellist, & violin maker with special interest in Medieval & Renaissance instruments; I love history, poetry, embroidery and other people's autobiographies (currently reading artist Maud Morgan's story, my PERSONALLY AUTOGRAPHED copy!!) as well as old photographs & general literature. I'm learning how to use a sewing machine for the very first time & have never driven a car in my life. An early interest in biology and medicine (both parents were involved in these fields) has led to my fascination with all sciences, particularly biology, physics, & astronomy. I have been working professionally in the field of violin making for two years, since the completion of my 3-year training. . .but I am contemplating a rather interesting change. I am seriously considering completing my undergrad degree in biology/anthropology, and from there applying to medical school. I feel I can apply my mind and skills to an even greater purpose (while of course still making instruments when I can). I haven't even told my MOTHER this. . .but Dave is offering me a lot of encouragement. I came to know Dolby's music thanks to MTV in the '80's, and the "Science" video, at the first sight of which I literally fell out of my chair. Last year we got our computer & I thought I'd look up my old friend Dolby on the internet, which is how I eventually came to be here at Alloy! Also I catch bugs instead of killing them when I find them inside, and put them outside again, for which (among other things) I've gained a pleasantly eccentric reputation at work I think. That, and the tattoos. . . Robin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Frisco Concert A friend of mine at Berkeley, CA, said she went to the Summer of Love 30-years-later concert tonight at Golden Gate Park. She listed the highlights (most of which I'd never heard of), but then said Dan Hicks was there. Same Dan Hicks of "I Scare Myself" fame? Did any of you Friscans attend? - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:52:46 -0700 From: Keith Stansell Subject: Alloy: The Party Room Is Ready! The Thomas Dolby Birthday Party Chat room is now decorated for the party. I've set the party time for 7:00 PM Mountain Daylight Savings time on Monday October 13th. Everyone is invited, but I must say there is a limit of 25 to the room. I look forward to seeing you there! Here's the address: http://www.concentric.net/~kasman/chat.shtml - -- Keith Stansell Denver, CO __________________________________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #216 ***************************