From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, June 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP [Bill Hargreaves ] Re: Alloy: Cruel [the copse ] Alloy: Update on Melissa's travels [James Quigley ] Alloy: Ancient recording technology [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:23:37 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP Discussion went kinda like this: Princess:>>Forgive my ignorance, but what does EP stand for? Slarvibarglhee:>It stands for 'Extended Play' and dates back from the days of vinyl, when there were three types of records; singles, EPs and LPs. I seem to vaguely recall 10-inch EPs played at 45rpm - or am I dreaming, oh ancient One Who Remembers? Lem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:12 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP At 09:23 17/06/97 +0100, you wrote: >I seem to vaguely recall 10-inch EPs played at 45rpm - or am I dreaming, oh ancient One Who Remembers? > >Lem. > It's quite possible, but I don't remember any, and I only ever came across one or two 16 rpm disks. They were usually spoken word, like language learning records, as they didn't need to be very high fidelity, but running at only 16rpm gave them a longer playing time. In the days of autochangers (remember them??) the record deck had a device that detected the size of the disk as it dropped on to the turntable, though it didn't know what speed they were of course, that had to be set manually. Ahhhhh, happy days, or possibly not. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:21:17 +0000 From: "David Gross" Subject: Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP >I seem to vaguely recall 10-inch EPs played at 45rpm - or am I >dreaming, oh ancient One Who Remembers? > While we're talking about fossil technology, let me introduce myself. I used to work in radio, where turntables were common equipment. There was a very old recording technique 1940's-60's called the transcription disk. These were about 2 feet in diameter (yes) and were recorded and played from the inside-out. We had several of them around the station for years and even had a player for them. I believe they held about an hour of material and played at a fast speed for the best quality. They were used to send programming to radio stations. A neat trick you can do with normal records is to put a second record player right next to the one that has the record on it and then you place the arm of the second player on the first one. Now you have two pickups on one record. You can get some neat echo effects this way. But today, with digital reverb, why bother? Ennycase, we had a lot of success echoing Laura Brannigan's "Borderline" (a pop-fossil, admittedly--guess I'm dating myself) . The rythm and the beats worked out just right. David Gross gross@photonet.com > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:12 +0100 (BST) > To: alloy@smoe.org > From: Bill Hargreaves > Subject: Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science EP > Reply-to: alloy@smoe.org > At 09:23 17/06/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >I seem to vaguely recall 10-inch EPs played at 45rpm - or am I dreaming, oh > ancient One Who Remembers? > > > >Lem. > > > It's quite possible, but I don't remember any, and I only ever came across > one or two 16 rpm disks. They were usually spoken word, like language > learning records, as they didn't need to be very high fidelity, but running > at only 16rpm gave them a longer playing time. > > In the days of autochangers (remember them??) the record deck had a device > that detected the size of the disk as it dropped on to the turntable, though > it didn't know what speed they were of course, that had to be set manually. > Ahhhhh, happy days, or possibly not. > > Slarv > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:05:52 BST From: the copse Subject: Re: Alloy: Cruel Hi there, the_copse here, I'd just like to say with regard to the awesome vocal purity of Eddie Rearer, that her nephew Frank, frontman of sublime Scottish band The Trashcan Sinatras, is even better!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:27:26 +0000 (GMT) From: James Quigley Subject: Alloy: Update on Melissa's travels Hi. I just got off the phone with Melissa. She has arrived safely in Uzbekistan. She says it's very hot there ("...but it's a dry heat..."). She has not had any access to her email since Thursday, so she asked me to let you that she's well and is still chronicling her travels. She is saving her stories and will provide them to you (if you'd like) upon her return. She was genuinely surprised to hear that her exploits were being so well received. At the moment she's in Tashkent, the capital city. She's staying at the Hotel Intercontinental, which she says is a fairly impressive place (*****). It's also directly across the street from the local Goodwill store, so she doesn't have a particularly long commute. She's trying to find a satellite phone link so she can get her email and talk/write to you all without using me as her intermediary. I'm sorry that my version of her travels is not as compelling as hers tend to be, but I thought you might like to know why she hasn't contributed lately. --James Quigley jquigley@worldbank.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:30:13 -0400 From: Ian Subject: Alloy: alloy: hello I am Ian.... Hi, I am Ian a relative newbie to mail groups etc. etc. blah blah! So I have a Q or 2... what is the usual subject matter involved in alloy (is this a dumb one?) and how r u all? do u want 2 know anything about me and if so should i be honest, lie or just stretch it a little? :) I guess I could use a lesson or 2 in alloy 'nettiqutte' any willing teachers? Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Ancient recording technology In a message dated 6/17/97 4:21:20 AM, Slarvi wrote: <'The Ancient One Who Remembers These Things.' >P.S. I can also remember '78's' AND '16's' [records that were played at 78 >and 16 rpm respectively], in fact our first 'gramophone' ONLY played 78's >and we had to change the 'needle,' which was exactly what the stylus was in >those days, after only around 20 sides. We never had a machine that played >wax cyliders, but I've seen them in a museum. >> I remember all these things too, Slarvi (except the wax cylenders) so we must be around the same age (29?) We owned this huge console that had changeable speeds for playing every type of record, including speed 16 and speed 78. The speed 16 came in useful for listening to "Paul is dead" clues later, when I was a teenager. . .and we always had loads of 78 rpm 45's too. And the needle DID have to be changed, it was a little diamond edged thing! You could buy packets of them. I haven't thought of all that in ages!! Robin :) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #118 ***************************