From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #79 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, May 8 1997 Volume 02 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" ] [none] ["Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" ] [none] ["Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" ] Alloy: Sorry 'bout that! [Paul Baily ] Alloy: One of our Trench Coats ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe] RE: Alloy: One of our Trench Coats [Louise.Clay-Harrison@nmp.nokia.com (C] Re: Alloy: One for the man in the courdroys(sp?) [Neil Leacy ] Alloy: Good, but we can improve on that! [Paul Baily ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:39:11 -0700 From: "Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" Subject: [none] At 20.02 97.05.06, you wrote: > >(I actually have a copy of the film on laserdisc, it was in the >deep-discount bin for $2.00) Lucky you...I can't seem to find it anywhere aside from (e)mail order in any format. I may have to see if Suncoast has it listed in their 'we have it, but not in the store' catalogue and special-order it. Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.hevanet.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:34:32 -0700 From: "Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" Subject: [none] At 14.04 97.05.06 -0700, you wrote: >Anyway, this past Saturday I happened across the show and guess whose >video for "She Blinded Me With Science" was featured. Here are the >factoids they offered, in order: > Hm...I watch Pop-Up Videos semi-regularly, but I seem to have missed this one thus far. (I'm a sucker for 'useless' trivia.) >-Thomas Morgan Robertson, Born October 14, 1958, Cairo Egypt Well, this settles one thing for me. I was watching 'Golden Age of Video' recently, and had been wondering if the 14.10.58 listed in the surveillance monitor in the video for 'Dissidents' was his actual birthday. (Hadn't gotten up the nerve to ask yet...I have this odd fear of looking either ignorant or too 'fanboy'ish. ) >The show seems to repeat its same too-few episodes over and over ad >nauseum, so the next time I see it I'll post the remaining factoids for >you, verbatim. > Given that they recently started showing episodes every weekday at 4p, there's good odds it'll come up again soon. Which is a good thing, since it gives me the opportunity to tape it too. Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.hevanet.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:42:17 -0700 From: "Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" Subject: [none] At 17.31 97.05.06 -0700, you wrote: >I thought he played a bartender in Rockula, I'm confused. Anyway, that's >it. This episode also contained "Unbreak my Heart," "Ironic," "You Gotta >Be," and "Take Me Home" -- for those of you that might run across the >show. "She Blinded Me With Science" is 5th out of 5. > This would probably explain how I managed to miss it thus far. Odds says I came in when 'Unbreak my Heart' was on, and just kept moving. I know they don't tease all the videos for a particular show in the opener, so thanks for the heads-up on which episode to look for. Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.hevanet.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 97 20:18:21 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Sorry 'bout that! Hi y'all, Apologies for those last three messages not having subject headers (and apologies to Robyn & Kevin) - guess that'll teach me not to do list admin ops when the caffeine level gets a tad low, eh? :-) While I'm here, we've had quite a few newcomers quietly join the list in the last week. I'd like to bid you welcome! ...and thank you to the existing members for spreading the word! stay well, Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: 07 May 97 06:43:06 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: One of our Trench Coats Trench Coats, Submarines, and Everything -or- One of our Trench Coats is Missing Greetings to the Alloyed, Let me introduce myself, if you please. My name is Stephen M. Tilson, but for brevity's sake please call me Miles. In the wake of a dearth of things Dolby in my life, I recently began seeking out any new information I could find about the man and, most especially, his music. Did I mention his music? The first thing I did was suspend my disbelief, and write to The Flat Earth Society; having always thought it was a little joke. If not, and if it was indeed the original Society of that name I didn't really want to be on their mailing list. But hope prevailed that it was just a tongue-in-cheek name for TMDR's fan club, and I wrote. I sent the letter, dated October 15, 1996, to an address in Hastings, East Sussex, obliquely inquiring if I was in the right place. The letter was returned seven weeks later with The Royal Mail's version of "return to sender" (I'm in the US) stamped and marked "addressee unknown." Thinking more clearly, I looked in a more recent recording, The Gate To The Mind's Eye, did the total Homer Simpson "Doh!", and re-posted the letter to Studio City, CA. Bingo! A week later I got a response. Well, I dilly-dallied and fiddle-farted around before getting to the FES website during February last. Nice website, but I am no expert. I read and printed Lazlo Nibble's Discography (Thanks, Lazlo!), checked out some of the ancillary functions and features, and to make a short story longer, entered the Tap Room to see what was going on. The discography was of great interest to me, being a collector as I'm sure many of you are, and discovering a few gaps in *my list* I posted a message regarding "Rarities", looking to trade for, or buy, a few certain items. I checked the site regularly for about two weeks (noticing in the process that when doing a word count "Dolby" occurred somewhat less frequently than "hyper-eutectic"), but received no responses to my request. Discouraged by the chaotic chatter, I nevertheless left one more message attached to my thread giving my email address in the hopes that someone might come forward. Lo, and behold! a kind and helpful soul responded with information and suggestions for sourcing out my needs, and in the process recommended I join your list. Insert a few more months in a busy life, and here I am. Nice to know you, and the end of my official introduction. But you'd like to know more? Well, read on. Let's talk about trench coats. Having read the concatenated posts here over the last week, I thought perhaps that some of you might likely be able to treat with a long-standing enigma I've wondered about for many years. Most likely there's no mystery, as someone will explain. But first --- the trench coat, and matters of attire. It was given that men who lack the training and decency to button their jackets when in bi-pedal mode has entropically led to the current style, if we must call it that, of wearing your knickers somewhat just above the privates, and three sizes too large. I can only agree, even if that's quite a stretch, and would like to add the following confirmation. Gentlemen (and Ladies too), early in my life it was given me that there is a simple rule when adorning one's self. "If it's there --- use it." This means to those of us wearing button down collars, please button down, necktie or no. This means if your slacks have belt-loops, please wear a belt. This means if your shirt has buttons, please use them, or put on a different shirt. (Pardon me while I fight off these horrifying visions of John Travolta, shirt open to the waist, bumping his way through Sat. Night Fever . . . He's made a nice turnaround, eh? see: Pulp Fiction, Get Shorty) I can think of an exception to this rule, and that concerns the wearing of a vest. I was also taught the nethermost button on a vest is intentionally left undone, that is if one wishes to indicate the presence of breeding and gentlemanly status. And so, on to trench coats. The Alloyed, and especially the Ladies here, have made me wonder just what it is they like about the image of a well-cut trench coat, the fedora, and a devilish smile hidden therein. As point in fact, the question was paraphrasedly put, "are women of the western world genetically selected for that predilection?" I believe there may be some truth in this, and if you please, will proceed to explore this theory within a question. It is my experience that the ladies among us are attracted to men in uniform. And why is that, I ask myself? From my male viewpoint, I find ladies are most femininely attractive when demure and shy (in public), frail even, and in need of my protection. In an opposite yet related manner, I believe ladies find men most masculinely attractive when we are bold and brave, strong of body, willing to protect, provide, and face danger. Danger Boy, I call him. You see his image everywhere, selling vain promises to us in bottles of cologne, automobiles, and just about everything else. "Buy this, and be a stud.", he seems to say. He fights fire, protects us from the bad guys, and wins our wars. Danger Boy to the rescue!, and the ladies love it. Danger boy wears a uniform, of course, and that leads me to my point (thank god) that the trench coat is, in essence and origin, a military garment. Hence the attraction: man-in-uniform = man-in-trench coat. Now there *is* another branching we can take relating to the "western world" qualifier which will carry us to the wild west, Texas Rangers, pioneers and gun-fighters, and the "duster" as cousin to the trench coat. Danger Boy is there, too. And the theme is still military, but I wouldn't want to bore you. Which brings me long way around to my TMDR question. I have observed a distinctly military flavor to some of his early works, most notably "One Of Our Submarines Is Missing", and have had the vague impression given me by I know not what source that the lyrics to this song are based, in part, on an officially secret, but factual event wherein the USSR "lost" a boomer (military slang for Submarine with Nuclear Warheads) in the Atlantic Ocean. That same story was popularized by Tom Clancy, and Hollywood, in The Hunt for Red October. Can anyone hold forth on this, and deny or give credence to my assertion? I've read the book, seen the movie, and puzzled over the lyrics for far too long. I would like to hear your point of view. Perhaps you will forgive me my long-windedness. I wish only to make a polite introduction for myself, with content, and ask a question which has plagued me for years. I promise to be more brief in the future --- maybe. Very best regards, Miles "In the grip of a tiny hand over a flame, pale as the phases of the moon." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:04:53 +0300 From: Louise.Clay-Harrison@nmp.nokia.com (Clay-Harrison Louise NMP) Subject: RE: Alloy: One of our Trench Coats Forgive me,....I can't resist,...but I have say it anyway,.... >It is my experience that the ladies among us are attracted to men in uniform. >And why is that, I ask myself? From my male viewpoint, I find ladies are >most femininely attractive when demure and shy (in public), frail even, and >in need of my protection. In an opposite yet related manner, I believe >ladies find men most masculinely attractive when we are bold and brave, >strong of body, willing to protect, provide, and face danger. Danger Boy, I >call him. You see his image everywhere, selling vain promises to us in >bottles of cologne, automobiles, and just about everything else. "Buy this, >and be a stud.", he seems to say. He fights fire, protects us from the bad >guys, and wins our wars. Danger Boy to the rescue!, and the ladies love it. Sheesh, and I thought that only teenage lasses who wanted to lie screaming tied to the rails in front of an on coming train, and being rescued by a fella who wears his underpants on the outside. I'd rather do the rescuing myself, if you'll pardon me. Don't get the idea that I'm a raving man-basher, but this is funny old picture,...I do as much protecting as a fella I date, ta muchly. Personally, I like uniforms, because they do nice things to accentuate a fella's physique. Plus, we girls do like a man to look tidy,...maybe because we know that THIS type of guy is not going to leave three weeks worth of smelly washing up in the kitchen sink when you visit, or toe nail clippings on the bathroom floor. Yup,...tis possible to be tough and feminine at the same time,...watch angela basset in "Strange Days" if you want to see what I mean..... BUT, I must say, I too have a weakness for a fella in a trenchcoat,....(As long as it's not got huge shoulder pads in it,...reminds me too much of "Dynasty") My other weakness is for mad-scientist-eccentric-type-techno-boffins-with-wild-hair-do's-īnī trenchcoats, which probably explains my original compulsion to buy TGAW when I was sixteen,....ah happy days!,....now you know...... IN the meantime, welcome to the club, pull up a chair, and,....tell me about your childhood,.... Ciao for now, as ever, Lissu "what the hell does fabian mean anyway?" C-H ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 07:44:33 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Re: Alloy: One for the man in the courdroys(sp?) >On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Neil Leacy wrote: > >> Cat Steven's best known hit is "Morniing Has Broken". But who actually >> wrote the well known piano intro, cadenza and outro as well as arranged >> the choir parts (and all in one day) but was never credited on the album >> or to this day been paid his session fee of UK9? > > Rick Wakeman? >> Right on the nose! >>> I must admit I would have backed Bill and put my money on Liberace (was he >>> dead then?), No that's my fault. In my original message I should have made it clear it was the guy I'd seen performing live that night who was the answer (though Rick did have candlelabra on his piano...). >>> however did you know that Rick also did the keyboards on >>> David Bowie's original 'Space Oddity'. I think that was 1969 so it probably >>> doesn't pass as 70's trivia. And on "Life on Mars", both of which he played at the concert (still fresh in my memory and whishing I could see TMDR in as intimate a gig - you could say I was either 9 rows from the centre front or 3 rows from the back, it was that intimate). Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 07:45:52 From: Neil Leacy Subject: RE: Alloy: Homepages, all? HI Beth, Just been to your pages. It's good to be able to put a face to a name. If any one would like to see mine then go to the "Thanks, Plans and Disclaimer" page of the rec.music.newage FAQ web site at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/rmn-faq/ Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 97 12:37:17 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Good, but we can improve on that! Hi y'all, Thought you might get a chuckle out of this: I'm moving house this weekend. I picked up the keys last Saturday and went to have a good look around. It'll be nice to live in a suburb where the noisiest it gets is hearing chronologically advantaged people saying things like "Go get 'em Ethel!" "Okay Cecil." and then the clunk of biased wood against wood from the lawn bowls club two doors away over the back fence. Very civilised. Anyway, I pulled up in the driveway to hear the woman next door practicing saxophone. She was playing a piece from Phantom of the Opera. Even more civilised! And then I thought, just wait until I get my AV stuff over here and the neighbours hear Valley of the Minds Eye or Flat Earth... Evangelism begins at home, after all. :-) stay well, Paul. __________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT Mercenary http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:14:15 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Re: Alloy: Good, but we can improve on that! At 12:37 PM 5/8/97 +1000, Paul wrote: > >I'm moving house this weekend. I picked up the keys last Saturday and >went to have a good look around. It'll be nice to live in a suburb where Congrats on the move, Paul. Welcome to Suburbia! >the noisiest it gets is hearing chronologically advantaged people saying >things like "Go get 'em Ethel!" "Okay Cecil." and then the clunk of >biased wood against wood from the lawn bowls club two doors away over the >back fence. I live in an apartment complex on a very quiet suburban street. So far, we've had rutting, crazy deer pinning people against their cars, screeching foxes late and night, and a lonely owl that gives everyone the giggles late at night with his hysterically funny pattern of hoots. Despite the natural humor value outside, though, the walls of the building are, unfortunately, like wet paper; I know all sorts of, um,... colorful things about the folk who live above and below me... really colorful... >Very civilised. In my case, very... unique... >Anyway, I pulled up in the driveway to hear the woman next door >practicing saxophone. She was playing a piece from Phantom of the Opera. >Even more civilised! And then I thought, just wait until I get my AV >stuff over here and the neighbours hear Valley of the Minds Eye or Flat >Earth... My neighbors get the "Dolby treatment" fairly often, but it's only fair, considering some of the stuff I get to hear (yeesh!) (This week, I have to admit that they're getting the "Erasure treatment," in celebration of the new Erasure disk and the impending general admission, sweaty, squishy I'm-too-old-for-this gig coming up.) >Evangelism begins at home, after all. :-) Indeed, Paul. Save your neighbors! Heal them! Go ye and preach the tuneage of the Dolby! Cheers, Melissa (Nothing wrong with Lloyd Webber and Rice, mind you - I've sung parts of "Evita" in the shower for years...) Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:51:21 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Re: Alloy: One of our Trench Coats At 06:43 AM 5/7/97 EDT, Miles wrote: >Greetings to the Alloyed, Right back atchya, Miles. >(re: the Tap Room)I checked the site regularly for about two weeks (noticing in the process >that when doing a word count "Dolby" occurred somewhat less frequently than >"hyper-eutectic"), but received no responses to my request. Discouraged by >the chaotic chatter, I nevertheless left one more message attached to my >thread giving my email address in the hopes that someone might come forward. There really is some logic to most of the chaotic chatter, Miles, and a heck of a lot of creativity. There are some very talented souls out in the Tap Room, and folks representing a wide variety of professions, backgrounds, and interests. Funky folks. >Let's talk about trench coats. Indeed. >Having read the concatenated posts here over the last week, I thought perhaps ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Okay, you win the double word score (she writes, skulking to the dictionary to see just what the heck that means...) >And so, on to trench coats. The Alloyed, and especially the Ladies here, >have made me wonder just what it is they like about the image of a well-cut >trench coat, the fedora, and a devilish smile hidden therein. As point in >fact, the question was paraphrasedly put, "are women of the western world >genetically selected for that predilection?" I believe there may be some >truth in this, and if you please, will proceed to explore this theory within >a question. I believe that those of us brought up in the western world in this latter half of the 20th century have had impressions made upon us by images of the first half of the century via the silver screen and popular literature. Film noir and pulp fiction are great things, no? Men in trenchcoats, tilted hats, women in ridiculously uncomfortable, but fab clothes. The mystique of that era has been elevated and enshrined on celluloid, and we've grown and fed on it. Think about "Casablanca"... Our parents or grandparents talk about that era with a degree of reverence. The '40's was the last time most of the populations of our various Western nations were in agreement about involvement in a world-shattering, yet unifying war against evil. The heroes of that era have been either deified or villified in an almost cinematic, fictional way. In that same way, I think the music and fashion have become ingrained in our collective psyche. (Oooooh, she's so deep.) It's sexy. It's mysterious. >It is my experience that the ladies among us are attracted to men in uniform. >And why is that, I ask myself? From my male viewpoint, I find ladies are >most femininely attractive when demure and shy (in public), frail even, and >in need of my protection. In an opposite yet related manner, I believe I've never quite understood the whole demur and frail thang. (No offense intended, Miles, for your preferences.) In my home, the women were just as tough - if not tougher - than the men. My mom could carry her own weight on her back (flying leathers, parachute, kit gear, etc.) during the war and was, frankly, the dashing-looking one in military leather and silk in all the pictures taken of her and my father. All seven girls in my family were raised to be as tough, independent, and resilient as the two boys. If the men of the world are looking for demur and shy, I guess my chances at romance are shot to heck and gone! >ladies find men most masculinely attractive when we are bold and brave, >strong of body, willing to protect, provide, and face danger. Danger Boy, I >call him. You see his image everywhere, selling vain promises to us in >bottles of cologne, automobiles, and just about everything else. "Buy this, >and be a stud.", he seems to say. He fights fire, protects us from the bad >guys, and wins our wars. Danger Boy to the rescue!, and the ladies love it. Not necessarily. I find "Danger Boy" very intimidating - he's someone who, were he real, wouldn't give me the time of day. To me, the men and women of advertising are so far from my reality, I just have to laugh (or get really annoyed sometimes...) Besides, other than my parents when I was a kid, I've never had anyone to protect me or provide for me. I find it hard to imagine anyone else providing for me! >Danger boy wears a uniform, of course, and that leads me to my point (thank >god) that the trench coat is, in essence and origin, a military garment. >Hence the attraction: man-in-uniform = man-in-trench coat. Now there *is* >another branching we can take relating to the "western world" qualifier which >will carry us to the wild west, Texas Rangers, pioneers and gun-fighters, and >the "duster" as cousin to the trench coat. Danger Boy is there, too. And >the theme is still military, but I wouldn't want to bore you. A good military uniform is designed to: look smart and orderly, awe the enemy, and make the wearer look stronger and more impressive in general (which doesn't explain those AWFUL uniforms designed for women in the U.S. Navy, but that's another story...) The trenchcoat is definitely one of the best elements of military style to make it to mainstream fashion. I think women look quite smart in a good trenchcoat, too. >Which brings me long way around to my TMDR question. I have observed a >distinctly military flavor to some of his early works, most notably "One Of >Our Submarines Is Missing"... Agreed. And there are some folks out here who can shed light on the "Submarines" issue for you. Cheers, Melissa (has three trenchcoats herself - call me Imelda Marcos' soul sister...) Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #79 **************************