From: owner-alloy-digest To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V1 #45 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, 23 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Re: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Re[2]: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Alloy: Shingle Street Story Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neil Leacy Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:59:31 Subject: Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI >Maybe they were worried that all this subversive material might cause >them to lose one of their submarines? (Sorry, but I can't resist this ) Or..... maybe they're trying to crack down on all the dissidents? Reagrds, Neil Leacy IT Support (Leacy@Britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Paul Baily Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 21:56:55 +1000 Subject: Re: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI >Just an FYI about those messages re: military addresses. It may not have >been "S2" him/herself [...] Thanks Melissa, yeah I figured it might be something like that in this case too...though I have to admit I much prefer John's theory. :-) Paul. ------------------------------ From: "Steven A. Walton" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Recently, John Phillip Schofield wrote and said, > > Maybe they were worried that all this subversive material might > cause them to lose one of their submarines? Great, all we need is the loss of another USS Thresher... On a serious note, though, as long as this song has been mentioned, does anyone have the slightest clue what it's about? Is it the thresher, or maybe that Russian one that beached off Sweeden in the 80s? Or is some extended metapho that I am too dense to catch that has nothing to do with nuclear submarines? Pondering, here at Shingle Street (always wanted to find a street by that name...) Steve - -- _________________________________________________________________ (_)_______________________________________________________________) | How much deeper would the ocean be if there weren't sponges | | growing at the bottom? | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Steven A. Walton - IHPST, University of Toronto, Canada | _| History of Early Modern & Military Technology | (_)________________________________________________________________) ------------------------------ From: mary.brown@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 12:49:50 CST Subject: Re[2]: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI Great, all we need is the loss of another USS Thresher... On a serious note, though, as long as this song has been mentioned, does anyone have the slightest clue what it's about? Is it the thresher, or maybe that Russian one that beached off Sweeden in the 80s? Or is some extended metapho that I am too dense to catch that has nothing to do with nuclear submarines? Pondering, here at Shingle Street (always wanted to find a street by that name...) Steve Steve, From what I know, the song is a tribute to TMDR's maternal uncle Stephen (a coincidence? I think not!) who died in a submarine in WWII. TMDR has a brother who was named for this uncle. I've wondered about Shingle Street myself. Anybody know its significance? Mary ------------------------------ From: Brian Clayton Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alloy: Shingle Street Story On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 mary.brown@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu wrote: > I've wondered about Shingle Street myself. Anybody know its > significance? I recall seeing an explanation of Shingle Street many moons ago, and it occurred to me that I may have actually saved it. Digging about the hard drive, I did in fact find it: a post from Usenet from about four years ago. >Article 55320 (379 more) in rec.music.misc: >From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) >Subject: Thomas Dolby's "Cloudburst On Shingle Street" >Message-ID: <38416@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> >Date: 9 Jul 92 11:41:42 GMT >Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk >Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) >Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science >Lines: 54 > >This song was brought to mind on Tuesday when the files on the Shingle >Street incident were officially opened. I mentioned this to a couple of >Dolby fans and got replies along the lines of "Huh?" so I figured I should >post what I know here in case there's anyone else wondering about the >meaning of this song. > >Back in 1942, a seaside village in Suffolk, England called Shingle Street >was evacuated suddenly overnight, with no official explanation. Rumours >began to circulate that hundred of badly burned bodies in British or Allied >uniforms had been washed up on the shore, that the sea had been on fire and >that the bodies were buried in mass graves in the nearby woods. The files >on it were declared Top Secret (or whatever the highest security level is) >and sealed for 75 years, to be opened in 2017 which was unusual, since the >normal declassification time is just 50 years. > >Over the years explanations for the rumours began to circulate. I've heard >a variety. One was that a landing exercise had gone horribly wrong, due to >a breakdown in communications. The shore defences had been unaware of the >exercise, and had wiped out the forces involved in the exercise. The >burning sea was explained by large tanks of (petrol/napalm/whatever) having >been positioned just offshore as shore defences and which could be emptied >so that the fuel would float to the surface and could then be lit, toasting >anyone who happened to be in the water at the time. This also explains the >burned bodies. Variations on this suggest that the troops involved were >American/Australian/whatever. > >The other explanation was that it had in fact been an invasion or a >commando raid by German troops wearing British uniforms. The rationale for >this was that at that time of the war, the only operational radar station >on that section of the coast was just a few miles inland from Shingle >Street. > >Over the years, the conspiracy theories surrounding the Shingle Street >evacuation have multiplied until the government here, to end the >speculation, decided to declassify the files this week, 25 years early. >They reveal nothing unusual, and state that the village was evacuated to >lay a new mine field and allow a new type of bomb and some new weapons, >including chemical, to be tested. The latter *could* explain the burning >sea. > >Of course, as with all the best conspiracy theories, nobody seems to be >believing what's in the files. They seem plausible, but there's no reasons >the official events and the rumours couldn't be linked (accident during the >testing of some sort of burning chemical?) Still, the truth, if it isn't >known already, probably never will be known. > >If you listen to the lyrics of "Cloudburst On Shingle Street" from Thomas >Dolby's first album _The Golden Age Of Wireless_, it does seem that Dolby >is referring (albeit rather obliquely) to some of the alleged events >mentioned above. > >-- > Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk > "Breakdown. Splinter. A thousand fragments disperse and die." FWIW (after all, he didn't quite get the title of the song right, did he?) BC ------------------------------ From: ljackson@intex.net (Lee Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 03:24:57 GMT Subject: Re: FW: Alloy: USG Addresses - FYI On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:59:31, you wrote: >Or..... maybe they're trying to crack down on all the dissidents? Like an iron fist...in a glove full of vaseline... // Lee Jackson // ljackson@intex.net // Garland, TX ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V1 #45 **************************