From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #326 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, December 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Finally ... it's HERE! [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpa] Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re[2]: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01] Re: Alloy: welcome Peter! [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested ["Michael and Denise Luck] Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: welcome Peter! [MacSuirtain ] Re: Alloy: Nudes [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: Nudes [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Nudes [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: Video game questions [DThurkirk@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:39:58 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Finally ... it's HERE! - --IMA.Boundary.771167219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Slarv the Lancy writted... Me bike!!!!! It's finally arrived. Great ! congratulations ! The Horizon, that's a tourer isn't it ? I always fancied the Super Galaxy, myself, but if I had one, I'd specify it with STI levers, not those bar-end efforts which were the fashion in the 70's ! Happy riding, mine's virtually been put away for the Winter (both bikes, in effect). Reading your story makes me want to go out for a spin, even if it's only on the Micro Folder. John the Yorkie/Froggie - --IMA.Boundary.771167219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns2.baxter.com (159.198.1.38) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 007185D7; Thu, 3 Dec 98 18:57:33 - -0600 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16479 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:56:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0zljWP-00071f-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:55:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id TAA10263; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:53:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id TAA10231 for alloy-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (ginas.gtnet.gov.uk [195.44.96.1]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id TAA10222 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from az36 (d11.gtnet.gov.uk [195.44.98.11]) by ginas.gtnet.gov.uk with SMTP id AAA24575 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:52:14 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981204005413.006cb328@gtnet.gov.uk> X-Sender: az36@gtnet.gov.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:54:13 +0000 To: alloy@smoe.org From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Alloy: Finally ... it's HERE! Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.771167219-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:52:20 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested Thanks for a really good laugh this morning, Melissa. I went to that dialectizer page you suggested. First I tried to see Headspace but it wouldn't load (its text's autoimmune system refusing to permit translation into either redneck OR moron), so I visited our own page. I almost fell off my chair when I read that Dave's name has been changed to Abner, and that our page is 'currently featurin' an ongwine experiment in hide paintin'. I must go back there & play some more when I get home from work. the dialect page: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect and if you visit our page: with this translator, check out the guestbook signatures especially! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:46:49 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay In a message dated 12/4/98 12:48:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << How is your entry labeled? Inquiring minds want to know! I went to "paintings" and found a zillion entries (including some really freaky religious art - I'm intrigued.) >> I think you can get to it at this address http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=46845563 its title in the auction is "Freshly Washed Street-a small oil painting" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:19:24 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested - --IMA.Boundary.859687219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part That is excellent ! I tried my Red Star match reports in Jive; thats' yhe first time I've ever seen a football report, normally a serious affair done like that. Try: http://www.multimania.com/jwh/en_reps.htm then (for our English readers) imagine John Motson or Stuart Hall doing the same report. John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested Author: RThurF@aol.com at Internet Date: 04/12/1998 07:52 Thanks for a really good laugh this morning, Melissa. I went to that dialectizer page you suggested. First I tried to see Headspace but it wouldn't load (its text's autoimmune system refusing to permit translation into either redneck OR moron), so I visited our own page. I almost fell off my chair when I read that Dave's name has been changed to Abner, and that our page is 'currently featurin' an ongwine experiment in hide paintin'. I must go back there & play some more when I get home from work. the dialect page: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect and if you visit our page: with this translator, check out the guestbook signatures especially! Robin T - --IMA.Boundary.859687219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0071A586; Fri, 4 Dec 98 07:01:42 - -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09302 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:01:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04464; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id HAA26427; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id HAA26403 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id HAA26399 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Received: from RThurF@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4WMKa05320 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:52:20 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.859687219-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:27:33 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: welcome Peter! At 07:21 PM 12/3/98 , you wrote: >My apologies!! After his initial post about being naked and drunk with Ernie & >Bert puppets, he already felt so much like part of the family that I forgot to >give him the official welcome. Me too. It was such an Alloy-like post, it never even occurred to me that he was a newcomer to our (sometimes odd) little community. So - Welcome, Peter! You've already proven you fit right in, so there're no worries on that account. ::grin:: Would you like one of the comfy chairs, or would you prefer a stool at the bar? Robyn M This post brought to you by The Greatest Disco Hits as played by the McThrifty Bros Bagpipe Band. (Okay, so we're really watching 'Rocko's Modern Life', but I couldn't resist a title like that. ;) ) @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:41:39 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay At 09:12 PM 12/3/98 , you wrote: > >Oh wow! What an amazing idea! I wasn't thinking creatively enough to >consider eBay as a place to auction art. Brilliant, Dave! BTW, I've >made over $300 this past month on eBay selling old Russian paperbacks >and a butt-ugly tray that's been sitting in my closet since the >mid-80's. (I'm hoping to make rent off of eBay this month.) Meanwhile, I've been on the other end of the eBay feeding chain. I've already bought two gifts off it and am going to be sending out payment on a third either today or tomorrow. For the curious - a Chibi Moon mini-dressables set for Brigid, a plush moose angel tree ornament for a friend of the family who collects mooses (meece?), and I just won the bid yesterday on a Frantics CD for Kevin (who saw the confirmation letter, so I'm gonna have to get something else to surprise him). If I'm any example, it's no wonder Newsweek's cover topic this week is Xmas shopping on the Net. ;) Good luck to you and Dave with your endeavors on eBay. :) Oh, and let me know if you ever decide to put one of your designs up - I was over at your site drooling over them again yesterday. :) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:46:03 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy:fun at e-bay At 09:46 PM 12/3/98 , you wrote: >Melissa, drove off the road once gawking at an oil-on-velvet painting of >old, fat Elvis in a jumpsuit and crown of thorns, bleeding on a cross Did you really? IMO, a painting like that deserves to be one of the prize pieces in the Museum of Bad Art. I'd even consider paying to see something that spectacularly tacky. ;) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:58:28 -0800 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested This is too funny! I haven't laughed so hard in weeks! M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested > >Thanks for a really good laugh this morning, Melissa. > >I went to that dialectizer page you suggested. First I tried to see Headspace >but it wouldn't load (its text's autoimmune system refusing to permit >translation into either redneck OR moron), so I visited our own page. I almost >fell off my chair when I read that Dave's name has been changed to Abner, and >that our page is 'currently featurin' an ongwine experiment in hide paintin'. >I must go back there & play some more when I get home from work. > >the dialect page: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect >and if you visit our page: > with this translator, >check out the guestbook signatures especially! > >Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:41:44 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: the 'Dialect' page Melissa suggested Michael and Denise Luckey wrote: > > This is too funny! I haven't laughed so hard in weeks! I really like the fact, Michael, that you're "Ichabod Luckey" now on Dave and Robin's guestbook. Ichabod! Well, fry mah hide! - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:28:34 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: That Microsoft.Com Thingy....was RE: Alloy: welcome Peter! haha, the microsoft.com address...has caused *all* sorts of good & bad things. nah - I get the impression that people on this list (from my short time here) are above all that crap. I feel like I fit right in. It must be the music. If anyone is curious to find out more about me you can visit my home-site http://www.shabbyroad.com (with advance apologies for the extreeeeeeeemely slow first page. it's ready to be fixed just as soon as my web-development PC is fixed (damn toshiba)) My first time with Thomas's music was back in 198....uh 3? maybe it was 2. At school the guy I wrote songs with (mostly about our teachers...but that's another story) played me this song "Urges"...then he played me "Golden Age of Wireless". Converted. in 1985 when I started college in Dublin (studying music & math) I figured I needed a good hifi system (yeah......right) so borrowed the money to buy a state of the art (!) Sony system with a......gasp !........CD player !!!!! There were maybe 3 places in Dublin you could buy CDs at the time. Same day I picked up the stereo I bought 2 CDs : first was McCartney's "Tug of War" (still sounds f'ing great) and.......TA DA !........"Golden Age of Wireless". I kept trying to get all the bands I played in (you can see some of 'em complete with dodgy haircuts on my website) to use a TMDR song title as a band name....I kept pushing for EUROPA but no-one bit. Kinda ironically I also was/is a big fan of XTC and as a result of working for Microsoft I got to do an interview with one Andy Partridge who I have got to know over the last year. On my site there are photos from a recent XTC recording session in Abbey Road. How funny that among the first Thomas songs I liked there were the ones recorded with Andy. I almost met Thomas in Oct 1996 at the AES (audio engineering society) convention in New York. I was staying in the same hotel. One evening was up in the revolving bar (it's a loong story) when I spied him across the room. I knew he was in town for AES. One of my American Microsoft colleagues , upon hearing I was a bit of a fan, remarked that TMDR didn't really like MS (ooooh - where have I heard that before !) so maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to say hi. Phooey, of course in my jet-lagged and slightly inebriated state I saw some logic in that. Yes folks I am a moron. I actually thought that I *shouldn't* go say hi to Thomas. yes, I am a dickhead (as Ernie and Bert will tell you). Do I still regret it ? Is the Pope a Catholic ? Do the Christian Brothers condone violence upon young boys ? I'm looking forward to the Beatnick Active X plug-in so I can put that funky stuff onto my site. (oh yeah Thomas if you're out there : Andy says Hi and I'd like to talk with you about a project XTC are doing ...) - -Peter in Dublin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:30:03 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: RE: Alloy: welcome Peter! The comfy chair ? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NOT THE COMFY CHAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Moore [mailto:kbrm@iefx.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:28 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: welcome Peter! At 07:21 PM 12/3/98 , you wrote: >My apologies!! After his initial post about being naked and drunk with Ernie & >Bert puppets, he already felt so much like part of the family that I forgot to >give him the official welcome. Me too. It was such an Alloy-like post, it never even occurred to me that he was a newcomer to our (sometimes odd) little community. So - Welcome, Peter! You've already proven you fit right in, so there're no worries on that account. ::grin:: Would you like one of the comfy chairs, or would you prefer a stool at the bar? Robyn M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:54:24 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: welcome Peter! Peter Fitzpatrick wrote: > > The comfy chair ? > > NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NOT THE COMFY CHAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH. Looks like Peter was truly meant to be out here with us. Strangely, while reading your introduction post, I was listening to They Might Be Giants "Factory Showroom," and I was singing along with "XTC vs. Adam Ant" when I got to the section about you knowing Andy Partridge. Just visited your website -- you have some very cute small people in your life! Thanks for sharing your story with us. Very cool. - - Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:28:24 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Nudes Crackers wrote from hell... >>Out of curiosity though, how many of us alloyites besides Robin and I >>have posed naked infront of the camera before? (Not counting baby pics). Well damnit, I -am- underage! If it weren't for that (and the fact that mum and dad and little brother would see anything they took to the developer) I'd want one to paint from. Turq promised me he'd take pictures once we're living together though... ;) I've done lots of sketches of myself naked (what can I say, I'm gorgeous).. I wouldn't mind posing nude for an art class, if it paid well (and was reasonably warm.. was it Robin who did this for a few hours in a really chilly room once?) -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:09:36 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Nudes In a message dated 12/4/98 7:42:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, naia@geocities.com writes: << I wouldn't mind posing nude for an art class, if it paid well (and was reasonably warm.. was it Robin who did this for a few hours in a really chilly room once?) >> It was ten degrees below zero in the middle of January, and the heat was unexpectedly broken at my friend's studio. He was an artist who worked for a television station & had gotten a bunch of other artist friends together to pay me to sit for them (the pay often isn't bad for art models, btw, but the work is BORING! :) I didn't want to reschedule after all those arrangements had been made. I sat for a three hour session. The people who were drawing me were wearing their winter coats & mittens. They felt so bad that I sat there & froze that they paid me extra, which was a huge plus especially at the time. One tip as far as modelling... if you sit for a class, try to come up with really interesting poses, using props like chairs to drape yourself over etc. The more dynamic you can be without spraining something (and always consider that it's a pose you'll have to hold for a while), the more sought after you'll become as an art model. If you consider the poses from the artist's perspective, which poses show tension, weight, balance, etc, it will be fairly easy to do something people can learn from. Think of yourself as a teacher of sorts. It can be quite annoying when the artists take the figure too literally though. The point of drawing or painting from a model is to have a reference, and to see how the light works on the surfaces, how the form works proportionally, how it moves, the weight & tension of the pose, how everything is connected. It bugged me to have someone say 'Your finger was half a millimeter to the left the last time you were sitting..' Arghh. Finally.. be prepared for the fact that people who draw from you in class won't recognise you in the halls because they're not used to seeing you with your clothes on. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:23:12 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Nudes In a message dated 12/4/98 7:42:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, naia@geocities.com writes: << I've done lots of sketches of myself naked (what can I say, I'm gorgeous).. I wouldn't mind posing nude for an art class, if it paid well (and was reasonably warm.. was it Robin who did this for a few hours in a really chilly room once?) -- E(lipse >> Yup one of Robin's modeling gigs was in a studio with no heat in the middle of winter. She could see her breath. Be warned the tough part of modeling for a class isn't being naked, its being able to endure a pose as it becomes more and more painful. It usually pays about $10/hour at most colleges, but you can sometimes make more if you are good. Keep in mind artists are poor so if you model privately sometimes its more worth your while to trade for something rather than ask for pay. What's funny is that if you model you'll view it as work and you pretty much forget the nude part, but everyone you know will be so very interested in the fact that you were nude that they will begin to annoy you. _dave T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:15:33 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Video game questions Okay guys, after a hair raising experience involving a bad 3D card and my otherwise happy computer and monitor I have desided to buy a TV video game type thing rather than muck around with whatever upgrade my computer needs this week to play the latest game. Sooooo...what do you gaming folks like better the Playstation or the Nintendo 64 and why? __Dave T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #326 ***************************