From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #309 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, November 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: It's So Quiet Tonight/ Sight reading! [CJMark@aol.com] Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings ["Lem Bingley" ] Re: Alloy: It's So Quit Tonight [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings ["I T Admin @ Govt Office Nor] Re: Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:18:14 EST From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: It's So Quiet Tonight/ Sight reading! Hey Slarv.. Great story... and great thoughts. More power to you helping your children.. and I'm certain they will turn out great too.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:17:18 +0000 From: "Lem Bingley" Subject: Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings Slarv wrote: > Ah, this rings a few bells. Not particularly with music, but my education > in general. Ah, Slarv, you've set me off now. I can categorically state that my education failed me utterly in one important regard - the career's advisor was a useless b*****d. There I am, 15 years old, from a frayed-blue-collar family, but I've got A-grades in Art, Maths and Physics. I know nothing about Universities and colleges - don't know anyone who has been to one. But I have an idea... Me: "I think I might like to be an architect." B*****d: "Oh, really," sucks teeth, riffles pages. "That takes an awfully long time to qualify. It would mean about seven years of study before you'd be finished." Me: "What, I'd have to stay at school for seven more years?" B*****d: "Yes, pretty much," Me: "Oh, forget it then." Which is the main reason that I am not an architect today. By the time I realised that studying for seven years is pefectly feasible it was far, far too late to start. God I hate that b*****d. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:57:13 EST From: Wargun2438@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby bio In a message dated 98-11-16 00:48:20 EST, you write: << I'll be setting up my own recording studio someday at this rate! >> And as Thomas has such a keen interest in the web, perhaps a collage of all of us making music on the web would make him smile. Kind of like the birthday greetings "we" send him each year! Oh, it would be nice to have our own individual studios, huh? Fun, fun, fun! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:44:57 +0500 From: Sir Moog Subject: Alloy: Dolby Just wanted to know how Dolby came to work with Sakamoto on the "Field Work" project and why the song appears on Sakamoto's album instead of Dolby's and so how come the song appears on Dolby's video collection. Sir Moog - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sir Mini "The Neuromantic" Moog: http://members.xoom.com/sirmoog Sir Moog's New Wave/New Romantic/Synthpop Page - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: sir_moog@hotmail.com / neuromantic@hotmail.com / sirmoog@nexlinx.net.pk / sirmoog@mailexcite.com ICQ#: 14691166 AIM: sir_moog@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: It's So Quit Tonight http://www.allmusic.com/ Search on "thomas dolby" with the "artist" button clicked on. It's pretty comprehensive. Within the bios you can click on the UBL also. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 Wargun2438@aol.com wrote: > a quick note here - a link to a decent bio. Any other good ones out there? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:17:30 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings At 14:17 16/11/98 +0000, Lem wrote: > >Ah, Slarv, you've set me off now. I can categorically state that my >education failed me utterly in one important regard - the career's advisor >was a useless b*****d. > >There I am, 15 years old, from a frayed-blue-collar family, but I've got >A-grades in Art, Maths and Physics. I know nothing about Universities and >colleges - don't know anyone who has been to one. But I have an idea... > >Me: "I think I might like to be an architect." > >B*****d: "Oh, really," sucks teeth, riffles pages. "That takes an awfully >long time to qualify. It would mean about seven years of study before you'd >be finished." > [Ramble - ON] How many times do we pass critical points in our lives and not realise it? If this chap had said something like, "That's a good choice, but it requires dedication and a lot of study. Here's some information about what's involved. I'll find out which are the best Universities to apply to, and we can discuss it again when you've had time to think about it," things might have been completely different. I have no doubt that he meant well by what he said, but if everyone took that attitude there would be NO architects as they'd all be put off by the prospect of all that time in further education. I don't know what it's like now, but when I was at secondary school the 'careers teacher' was usually just a member of the staff with time on his hands who got pressured into taking on the job by the head teacher. Mine was also useless. When I left school I really didn't know what I wanted to do, but I went to the careers office a few weeks before I left for a 'careers interview.' This was only marginally more helpful than our careers teacher at school. I had an idea about being a recording technician (having given up all hope of being an airline pilot when I failed maths). When I asked about this I was given a list of recording studios and told to contact them myself, but was put off by the adviser's comments that it was very hard to get into that business as there were always more applicants than there were jobs. SO ... discouraged, I didn't write to any of them. After failing my 'A' levels I went back to the careers office to try to find a job. I was offered two possibilities; trainee quantity surveyor in Rochdale, which was too far for me to travel at the time, or temporary clerical officer at Openshaw Employment Office. I went for the CO job because it was nearer, not because I liked the sound of the job. I might have enjoyed being a QS, but I wasn't even given a rudimentary explanation of what this entailed, and I was too shy to ask at the time. >Which is the main reason that I am not an architect today. By the time I >realised that studying for seven years is pefectly feasible it was far, far >too late to start. > B U T as it said in the blurb about you at one of the mags you've worked for, 'Lem is a graduate of Sussex University, where he gained a first class honours degree in Electronic Engineering. He stayed at Sussex to pursue research begun during his undergraduate studies, leaving in 1993 with a PhD awarded in return for his dogged work developing computer models aimed at solving the fundamentally insoluble problems of operating sonar systems in shallow water." (Ha, this goes to prove that Slarvi DOES keep everything ... doesn't it?) This sounds like SUCESSSSSSSS to me. Perhaps not what you originally intended, but you still went to uni and did some pretty sexy work there. A 1st in Elec. Eng. is not to be sneezed at. Maybe you'd have been a crap architect anyway. And I might have ordered too few (or far too many) of whatever it was I'd have being surveying quantities of, whereas I'm a BRILLIANT IT Administrator and modest too ;-), though it took a long time for me to get where I am. It all depends on which leg of which pair of the trousers of time you get sucked down. Strangely enough, my dad tried to get me interested in a government sponsored computer programming course when I left school, but I was not eligible because of my age and I didn't fancy it at the time either. Well, I'm no programmer, but I AM now working with computers. [Ramble - OFF]. Slarv This extensive article was powered by several tracks from Ozric Tentacles new CD 'Spice Doubt - Streaming - A Gig In The Ether' originally first transmitted live on the internet, as it says on their web page http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ "The band has done a very special audio/video netcast which can be seen on muzic.com. The Netcast aired live on Suday 7th June 1998. The audio track from this netcast is sold as the Spice Doubt CD. The rebroadcast is still available. Goto muzic.com to see it again." It wasn't there when *I* looked yesterday. Anyway, 'Spice Doubt' .... it took me quite a while to 'get' it. A lot of their titles are plays on words, in this case 'Spice Doubt' = 'Spaced Out' Yeah, far out, babeeee. The CD also came in an extra sleeve, a transparent plastic envelope containig two green liquids which look like those bubbly things they used to project on to screens at psychedelic gigs in my hippy days. There are also three little floating fish in there. Fun to play with even if you don't like the music. Shazbat, this is getting longer than the original message. 'pologies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:35:47 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Re Slarv's educational ramblings In a message dated 11/16/98 9:26:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Lem_Bingley@zd.com writes: << Which is the main reason that I am not an architect today. By the time I realised that studying for seven years is perfectly feasible it was far, far too late to start. >> Is it possible for you to go back to university & get this degree after all, or doesn't the educational system work that way in Britain? In the US it isn't unusual for adults to return to their education, even after growing up & having families. Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #309 ***************************