From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #282 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, October 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: back issues... ["Charles E. Kemp" ] Re: Alloy: back issues... [CJMark@aol.com] Alloy: A funny thing happened on the way to my email... [Paul Baily ] RE: Alloy: x ["Beth Meyer" ] Re: Alloy: x [CJMark@aol.com] Re: Alloy: x [TBlagg@aol.com] Re: Alloy: to clarify! [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: hey, thanks and stuff... ["Charles E. Kemp" ] Alloy: Humor, Mistakes, Etc. [MacSuirtain ] Alloy: Did I miss something? [Keith Dawe ] Re: Alloy: back issues... [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: back issues... [lae ] Re: Alloy: back issues... [Elaine Linstruth ] Alloy: CHUCK [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: x [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft [IT Admin - Govt Office ] Alloy: To All at Alloy [Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com>] Re: Alloy: x [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [Keith Dawe ] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com>] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com>] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft [lae ] Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft [lae ] Alloy: Gate to the Minds Eye ["matt saeli" ] Re: Alloy: France [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: gothic..cemeteries... [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: x [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: France [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy [Brian Clayton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... The fab Ms. Jordan responded to me thusly.. > What a wonderful compliment, Charles. God bless you. If they weren't good, I wouldn't want to read them. :) OOne of the main reasons I want to re-read them is because I am planning on re-reading the Edward Rutherfurd historical novel _Russka_. I'm wondering if they might add a little more flavor to the novel. > Just tonight, I found the disk with my travel stories from Thailand. OOOOH! Me! Me! Me! And for the LAST time people, I'm a Chuck, not a Charles. I'm just about ready to give up on the whole lot of you. :) ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:55:37 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... Hey Melissa.. Me... me... I want one!! Actually.. if you have the Russia and Asia travels too.. along with the Thailand travels.. I would love to read them all... or I guess I can try the web site.. which would be the intelligent thing to do. I have never seen any of them.. and would love to. Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:56:36 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: A funny thing happened on the way to my email... Hi y'all, I checked my email this morning just before dashing out the door to face today's battle (bit of an Ender's Game ref for ya!), and I got a rather interesting message. I'd have written it off as spam except it was kinda specific: "I recently visited your Thomas Dolby site and want to explore the possibility of working with you to promote music on-line." This was from an online CD store I hadn't heard of before, Soundstone (www.soundstone.com). At first I was really flattered that they'd taken the time to approach me, but maybe that's just a touch of naiivete. Search engines have their uses and I know that one or two have stumbled upon my little backwater of an address. It's kinda scary that the pages I have up at the moment are just rev 1 pages that have been there for a good year or two - they wouldn't have seen the bot-repellent next generation pages (codenamed Some Place Else - but that's another story). The idea is you modify your site to add links to them and you get a percentage of any sales generated through your link. Nice idea, but awfully Amwayesque for my liking; I'm tempted to throw a 'thanks but this site don't sell out for no-one*' kinda response. *- Headspace & TMDR excepted! My second thought was to send a response saying 'you start using Beatnik for your audio samples and we'll talk'. :-) Still, nice to be noticed I guess, even if it is by people you don't necessarily want - which is the story of my life right now. (but that's another long story I won't bore you with!) But enough about me, on with the show! stay well, Paul. This message powered by Red Rain off So/Peter Gabriel. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au JustSomeGuy I come to you defences down Brisbane, Australia with the trust of a child ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:07:57 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: to clarify! I wanted to say for the sake of clarification that the Melissa's quote about Native American culture, which I responded to yesterday, was from an email not in fact ever meant to be viewed on Alloy - I made a mistake when replying, thinking it must have been from Alloy when it actually was not. I wrote to her to explain my post/letter confusion, and she explained that she had wished to keep it off Alloy to avoid further aggrivating the situation publically, but I misunderstood. I hadn't realised my mistake until well after I had posted my response to Alloy! I'm very sorry for my mistake! I wanted to explain so that everyone understood it was I who made the mistake, not Melissa. I thought her original email was perfectly polite and completely inoffensive, which is why (in addition to its set-up) I accidentally took it for an Alloy post. I can honestly say, though, that I think most of what's been said here on Alloy on the topic of culture has not been particularly inflammatory... it has mostly seemed to fall under the heading of ordinary conversation. Those I think should have held their tongues, I have already dealt with privately. But to defend those who have spoken on the subject already, remember that all discourse in a group of people is bound to have a glitch or two, and one person's humor can sometimes collide with another's personal sensibilities. I think this can be allowed for in a mailing list as long as we remember we're all friends here, and that topics of conversation ordinarily tend to come & go; any disagreements on the list should be dealt with politely & then dropped. So, thank you for maintaining the peace around here, everyone. Thanks in particular to John, who apologised straightaway when he saw he might have caused a conflict - much appreciated! - and thank you Melissa for being so sweet & for not losing faith in me as list owner (I hope!!) even after I messed up so spectacularly. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: russell Subject: Re: Alloy: A funny thing happened on the way to my email... On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Paul Baily wrote: > This was from an online CD store I hadn't heard of before, Soundstone > (www.soundstone.com). At first I was really flattered that they'd taken > the time to approach me, but maybe that's just a touch of naiivete. > Search engines have their uses and I know that one or two have stumbled > upon my little backwater of an address. It's kinda scary that the pages I > have up at the moment are just rev 1 pages that have been there for a > good year or two - they wouldn't have seen the bot-repellent next > generation pages (codenamed Some Place Else - but that's another story). I received an email from them also. My pages have been out on the net for quite a while, and are findable by many a search engine. I also have a link to your site. It is very possible that they followed all of the links on my pages. I also understand what you mean by rev 1 pages. I haven't had the time to work on my personal page in ages. - -Russell Milliner Orlando, FL http://www.iag.net/~milliner milliner@iag.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:53:10 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: x unsubscribe alloy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:13:41 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... Charles E. Kemp wrote: > > And for the LAST time people, I'm a Chuck, not a Charles. I'm just about > ready to give up on the whole lot of you. :) Oh, crap! That's right! Chuck, Chuck, Chuck!!! Sorry! :-) Cheers, Melissa, Also not a Charles, but I play one on tv - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:23:42 -0400 From: "Beth Meyer" Subject: RE: Alloy: x Hi, folks; John wrote, perhaps unintentionally to the whole list: >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com >Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 2:53 PM > > unsubscribe alloy Um, oh my. I do hope that all this hasn't gotten out of hand. I can only speak for myself, but I personally took John's initial remark as a little sly ribbing, worthy perhaps of a little good-natured ribbing in response but otherwise no big deal. Certainly not worth either getting upset or losing anybody over. (Again, speaking only for myself.) Perhaps John's "unsubscription" has already taken effect and this message is a pointless waste of bandwidth (it probably wouldn't be a first for me!). But I do hope that we can consider the whole exchange a bit of an anomaly and that John will be back at some point. How else would I know not to turn on the radio when driving through France? :-) Hope I haven't made matters worse... Beth P.S. Can I also sign up for Melissa's Thailand stories? Please? They sound wonderful... Beth Meyer bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:30:50 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: x Hmm.. John Hanson has left the building? That is a very strange thing indeed. I must have missed something significant here. Sadly, some folks seem to be overly sensitive and miss the point of humor. I don't even know who this was.. but I'm very sorry if John has left Alloy because of it. He was a friendly lone voice coming through from France with humor and yes.. some sarcasm too. I have many friends from Europe who find our American sense of humor to be rather touchy. Europeans will sometimes say things that Americans find offensive to a degree, not understanding that the words are not a personal attack and should be taken with a pinch of humor salt. Can't we take a good humored ribbing without getting our oh so politically correct feathers ruffled? Sadly.. apparently not. Well.. this little episode will certainly not stop me from enjoying Alloy and it's diverse group of people. I, for one, enjoy the wry sense of humor that some of our members are so generous to share with us. I sometimes get bored with the nice smiley faces that Americans often show in public.. only to turn around and snip their true thoughts behind one's back. And yes.. I know Europeans that do exactly the same thing. As for me.. give me reality.. anytime.. I can handle it! and Viva la difference!! Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:08:21 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: x What's going on? All this is so crazy and so rediculous...I for one can't even remember what has been said. I'm sure this goes for the majority of us. Clearly john is upset, but hej, let's get in touch with him and get on with remembering why we are all here. I feel certain that this list in the past has brought him the same pleasure as the rest of us....Long may this continue.....Let's get this Dolbyite back where he belongs! LOVER OF ALL THAT IS TMDR. Trev B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:43:18 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: to clarify! wow everyone is really upset by this french business? I just thought it was good natured amusement, like dissin' each other's favorite baseball teams. Not to be taken seriously ya know? Oh, well. __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Alloy: hey, thanks and stuff... Melissa- Thanks for sending me the Bangkok stories, but for the meantime I am unable to read them because I donut have MSWerd. And, for all involved, I must say I saw absolutely nothing during the "Culture Clash" that should have made anyone even consider dropping off. But then again, as a fine young lad of German descent all I ever want to do in France is march and shoot at stuff. JOKE, PEOPLE! Jeez... - - Chuck (This message powered by Dread Zepplin's Black Dog, hence the tongue-so-firmly-in-cheek-it's-poking-through tone.) ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:07:54 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Alloy: Humor, Mistakes, Etc. To the Alloy'ed: I'm sorry for the part I may have played in John Hanson's decision to depart from the group. That was never my intention in sending him a personal message, which, rather politely and gently, mentioned that I'd be sure to "let the Native Americans know" about the U.S.'s lack of tradition and culture. I then just questioned why he'd want to provoke a situation to "make the shit fly," especially when TMDR had just given us such a positive rallying point for discussion and celebration. That was it. It was never meant to be relayed to the group. That was an accident. I'm a little embarrassed by the situation, and I feel bad that I accidentally caught poor Robin in the midst of the muddle! (Really sorry, Robin.) Before I sign off Alloy for a leave of absence, though, I would like to say this, for what it's worth. We all have different perceptions of what's funny, etc. I guess if, out on the Internet, I took a swipe at someone's country and meant it to be funny, I'd offer up one of those silly smiley things, just so that people who didn't know me well and couldn't see my face or hear my voice would know I was joking. Personally, I'm more touchy about comments on my country and culture because I've spent so of my adult life overseas. No matter where I go, I've gotten to hear the United States get knocked, often by folks who were - literally - waiting for me to dispense aid money and equipment paid for by U.S. taxpayers. I've had to spend a lot of time defending my homeland; it's an occupational hazard. Hell, the United States is a mess of contradictions, heaped with worldwide guilt, and buried under a sea of problems. But part of the American pioneer character, I think, is to believe you can persevere, regardless of how tough things get. I like that about our culture. Anyway, that's very merely my $0.02. Again, sorry for my contribution to John's departure. Take care, So long and thanks for all the fish! - -- Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Alloy: Did I miss something? On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Charles E. Kemp wrote: > And, for all involved, I must say I saw absolutely nothing during the > "Culture Clash" that should have made anyone even consider dropping off. Exactly. What the hell happened anyway? If we're all friends I'm sure it could have been worked out here in Alloyland. I mean, if I have a conflict with a friend I do my best to clear the air or at least ask why they did/said such a thing--not, as some apparently do, run away to lick my wounded pride (Sounds harsh I know... ). - --omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... Maybe it would be more productive to ask if anyone here would *not* want to read them.. ..because if everyone does, then you might as well post to Alloy. :-) (This is my way of raising my hand and yelling Ooo! Ooo! like Horshack.) - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, MacSuirtain wrote: > Just tonight, I found the disk with my travel stories from Thailand. > It's been missing for months. I never had a chance to share it with you > guys, so, if anyone wants to read it, let me know, and I'll forward it > to you. It's about 10 pages long, so I won't post it to Alloy and bore > folks silly! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:13:01 -0700 From: lae Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... Well, it is off topic.... Ahh what the hey! Post at will. casting my vote, Alan (the new guy on the block) Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > Maybe it would be more productive to ask if anyone here would *not* want > to read them.. ..because if everyone does, then you might as well post to > Alloy. :-) (This is my way of raising my hand and yelling Ooo! Ooo! > like Horshack.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: back issues... Hey! We could call him Chucky like the doll in the movies? :P - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, MacSuirtain wrote: > > And for the LAST time people, I'm a Chuck, not a Charles. I'm just about > > ready to give up on the whole lot of you. :) > > Oh, crap! That's right! Chuck, Chuck, Chuck!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:00:45 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: CHUCK In a message dated 10/22/98 3:15:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cekemp@netcom.com writes: << And for the LAST time people, I'm a Chuck, not a Charles. I'm just about ready to give up on the whole lot of you. :) >> sorry, I am guilty of 'Charles'ing you! don't give up, I may be a slow learner but once something sinks in it stays there... :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:15:50 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: x In a message dated 10/22/98 10:25:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bethmeyer@mindspring.com writes: << Um, oh my. I do hope that all this hasn't gotten out of hand. I can only speak for myself, but I personally took John's initial remark as a little sly ribbing, worthy perhaps of a little good-natured ribbing in response but otherwise no big deal. Certainly not worth either getting upset or losing anybody over. (Again, speaking only for myself.) >> I definitely agree with you on all points Beth (and we've missed you around here!) John hasn't gotten in touch with so I'm not sure what exactly is going on, though if he were having a problem I wish he'd come to me with it, rather than leave. I hope he hasn't had his feelings hurt by anything that was said here. I know for a fact that wasn't anyone's intention. :( Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:36:15 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft Gosh darn it, I've finally given up trying to tweak this version of Win95 into saying hello to the internet and have decided to reinstall the whole kit and caboodle. It's an early version of 95 I'm installing, as it's the only copy we had at the office. I'm begining to wonder whether I just ought to buy a new computer of my own, instead of relying on the department's cast-offs. P2's are becoming so cheap it might be worth the investment. But before I take this drastic step .... I wonder .... is a PC the right thing to buy. I know the Apple Heads rave on about how much better Macs are than PCs (even one of the editors in a major British PC magazine dared to say so in one of his articles recently), but I don't know anyone who has one. Are any of the Alloyites Mac users, and if so, what's your opinion of them? I'd particularly value your opinion if you have experience of both Macs and PCs. And has anyone got one of these new ones (I-Mac I think they're called)? Slarvi Mac Barglhee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:22:42 -0400 From: Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com> Subject: Alloy: To All at Alloy Forgive my ignorance, but I became aware of this group because I wrote to TMDR and he included this group in his reply to me. Other than that I know nothing about this group. Please (someone...) fill me in on what I need to know to participate here. I am a willing participant but want to know the rules :> R. Kirby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:48:39 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: x In a message dated 10/22/98 12:35:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJMark@aol.com writes: << I, for one, enjoy the wry sense of humor that some of our members are so generous to share with us. I sometimes get bored with the nice smiley faces that Americans often show in public.. only to turn around and snip their true thoughts behind one's back. And yes.. I know Europeans that do exactly the same thing. As for me.. give me reality.. anytime.. I can handle it! and Viva la difference!! >> I really enjoy the humor of our fellow subscribers too! As far as the smileyfaces on Americans, or others... I'm sure there's a certain amount of social politeness & reserve we all must demonstrate if we are to get along in our communities - this is how it seems to work universally, until people become better friends anyway. I've always gotten the impression that people on this group are really quite open with one another... I know I always feel comfortable discussing just about anything here, there's such a broad base of intelligence at Alloy. There is such variety on this group. The best thing about Alloy is its eager acceptance of new members & the friendliness of its subscribers. It's rare on the internet, where way too many people seem to want to be abusive to one another from behind their little anonymous electronic cloaks! I'm no Miss Manners (lord knows) but I personally have never cared for abusive humor, it always confuses me too much. I was raised to take people at their word, so when someone says, "Hey Robin, that dress looks like utter shit on you... just kidding!!" WTF is that all about? what is this person trying to tell me? it only sinks me into a deep, poetry-writing, hand-to-forehead introspection about human nature... and I don't like that. Therefore I think that if you're going to make fun of someone, make fun of yourself, and that way you'll never run out of material (NOT you, Mark!!! I just mean generally!!) jeez... shutting up now... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:00:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Rochelle Kirby wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but I became aware of this group because I wrote to > TMDR and he included this group in his reply to me. Other than that I > know nothing about this group. Please (someone...) fill me in on what I > need to know to participate here. I am a willing participant but want to > know the rules :> Ah, the famous Rochelle! Welcome to Alloy (I'm sure you'll be getting hundreds of these within the next few hours). ;-) Relax and join the party. We're a fairly loose, easy-going bunch. All you have to do is write, either ask a question, express an opinion or even respond to what others have said on this list. Again, welcome! - --omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:06:17 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy In a message dated 10/22/98 7:25:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 104040.2055@compuserve.com writes: << Forgive my ignorance, but I became aware of this group because I wrote to TMDR and he included this group in his reply to me. Other than that I know nothing about this group. Please (someone...) fill me in on what I need to know to participate here. I am a willing participant but want to know the rules :> R. Kirby >> Do you know you're already famous here? Thomas forwarded your letter to us as he told you he would, & we all adore you already :) !! All you need to do is be yourself, really. If you read a post you'd like to respond to, then simply quote out the text & write your response. It will be posted directly to the list. The rules here are the same ones you'd follow in any other typical social situation - just be nice, be fair, be honest, and everything else will take care of itself. I am this list's owner, so if you ever wish to ask anything specifically about the list or you have any problems, please write to me personally & I'll help you in every way possible. Do tell us, when did you first encounter Thomas' music? What was it, and how did it progress from there? Also please tell us all about yourself! :) Perhaps we should do another round of introduction since I've been noticing a lot of new faces around here... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:22:50 -0400 From: Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy Ah! but you flatter me. I have shunned any kind of chat room for the past five years or so (after being burned on them) so I may be a bit reticent until I get a feel for how this works (the last time was on Prodigy and now I'm on Compuserve and it is totally different). I have no opinions yet, since I don't have a feel for this group. All I know is that I am still on a high from Thomas Dolby's reply to me (and truth be told I knew nothing about Headspace when I wrote it and have since researched it and found it to be quite impressive--had I known about it I probably wouldn't have written to him but am glad I did cuz now I know that there may be another album somewhere down the road). Is this a place where people just come to speak there mind and the common thread is a love for Dolby music?? R. Kirby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:36:48 -0400 From: Rochelle Kirby <104040.2055@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy As I said in my letter to Thomas Dolby, I first became enchanted 1983 (??) when I heard "Hyperactive" and bought "The Flat Earth" (my personal favorite). I have bought everything I could find since then (and have been listening to "Toys" all day today). I am older than I will admit to (although I was in high school when I first became a fan). My husband is a reluctant fan (he disagrees and says he has been a fan since 1983, before he ever knew me...He wants you to know that his favorite is "I Scare Myself") because of me and I have even recruited my mom (she loves the "Aliens Ate My Buick" album). The only deep, dark, secret that I will admit that relates to Thomas Dolby is that I grew up in San Francisco and I loved to drive around the Presidio (a military base), I loved to take my friends to the cemetary there at night, turn off the lights and drove around the cemetary while playing the music to "Gothic" (if you haven't heard it, it is perfect for such a scenario). It scared the Hell out of my friends and I loved it!! Anything else that I should say or answer? Rochelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:14:41 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy At 05:22 PM 10/22/98 , you wrote: > >Ah! but you flatter me. I have shunned any kind of chat room for the past >five years or so (after being burned on them) so I may be a bit reticent >until I get a feel for how this works (the last time was on Prodigy and now >I'm on Compuserve and it is totally different). I have no opinions yet, >since I don't have a feel for this group. All I know is that I am still on >a high from Thomas Dolby's reply to me (and truth be told I knew nothing >about Headspace when I wrote it and have since researched it and found it >to be quite impressive--had I known about it I probably wouldn't have >written to him but am glad I did cuz now I know that there may be another >album somewhere down the road). Lovely to meet you - we've already gotten one of the comfy chairs ready for you. :) Feel free to talk as much or as little as you like while you get used to things. >Is this a place where people just come to speak there mind and the common >thread is a love for Dolby music?? That pretty much covers it. We try to stay close to Things Dolby, but it's not unusual to find a discussion about current travels, jobs or life in general. We're a pretty laid back bunch. :) Robyn M This message powered by the "Live Wireless" version of 'Radio Silence'. @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:08:59 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft In a message dated 10/22/98 6:38:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk writes: << But before I take this drastic step .... I wonder .... is a PC the right thing to buy. I know the Apple Heads rave on about how much better Macs are than PCs (even one of the editors in a major British PC magazine dared to say so in one of his articles recently), but I don't know anyone who has one. Are any of the Alloyites Mac users, and if so, what's your opinion of them? I'd particularly value your opinion if you have experience of both Macs and PCs. And has anyone got one of these new ones (I-Mac I think they're called)? >> For all the headache Microsoft can cause a person Apple can triple them. I work on both macs and windows96/98 and NT based machines at work. Although macs are basically simpler as far as basic maintenance goes Apple still hasn't come up with an O/S that is stable enough to consider decent. Every Mac I have, including my bran spankin' new G3 machine freezes up at least three times a day. Each time it freezes it causes little errors in the b-tree so you have to run things like disk doctor frequently Worse yet, since Apple is constantly changing their chips in some new and useless way (going from the 040 to the PowerMac to the G3) you run into such problems as....Norton Utilities for PowerMac will, when run on a G3 machine cause the hard disk to become unreadable. Also there just plain isn't as much software out there for Macs. In Mac's defense they are easy to learn (although becoming less so with every new O/S) But you can troubleshoot more easily than you can on a windows machine because files are named in plain English (sort of) As for Imac....nah. In three years they'll be doorstops. Macs always claim to be upgradable but ...well we paid $1,000 each for upgrade boards for macs at work and all three burned out in a year and a half. Macs strategy has always been to get you to buy a new (and expensive) machine as often as possible. Good Luck __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:48:20 -0700 From: lae Subject: Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft Macs are superior in the graphics dept., otherwise, they're a headache when they're a minority in the office (file sharing, networking, MORE EXPENSIVE, etc). Unless you're a nut about pixels per sq in., or an extreme speed demon, stick with a nice middle of the road PC like a Dell or HP, or AST with no less than 133mhz Pentium, a 4+ GB HD, and about 32Mb Ram. A good sound blaster card is a must as well. My $0.02 Alan IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote: > > Gosh darn it, > > is a PC the right thing to buy. I know the Apple Heads rave on about how much better Macs are > than PCs (even one of the editors in a major British PC magazine dared to > say so in one of his articles recently), but I don't know anyone who has > one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:51:37 -0700 From: lae Subject: Re: Alloy: x RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > I'm no Miss Manners (lord knows) but I personally have never cared for abusive > humor, it always confuses me too much. Oh stop it you wonderful rediculous beautiful opinionated selfless fantastic person you. A PS: = very big grin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:57:53 -0700 From: lae Subject: Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft DThurkirk@aol.com wrote: > > > For all the headache Microsoft can cause a person Apple can triple them. HERE HERE! > Macs strategy has always been to get you to buy a new (and expensive) machine as often as > possible. I couldn't have said it better. I read your post too late DT, I'd have saved my opinion and let yours ride. I do anyway. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:04:32 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: The continuing saga of Slarvi V Microsoft - -----Original Message----- From: DThurkirk@aol.com Dave wrote And I now add... I am a PC owner, but I respect the Macs. There is one BIG thing Macs have going for them (and now tying it all together back to the list....) you can edit Beatnik RMF files on them. Slarv, I'll e-mail you personally on my recent PC purchase and give you some pointers. - -Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:34:48 EDT From: JARUTLAND@aol.com Subject: Alloy: France "Don't even get me started on the french man. I'm afraid that my opinion of france may actually cause the entire country to spontaneously combust if I express it out loud." -- Dave, at least your not bitter. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy In article <199810222023_MC2-5D9D-7EFB@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >Is this a place where people just come to speak there mind and the common >thread is a love for Dolby music?? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ That's pretty much it. We're a diverse collection of people from around the globe with a variety of interests who all have a common love of Thomas's music. Discussion here covers a wide assortment of topics from the whimsical to the sublime. We even collaborate together on projects such as the Annual "Project B-Day". A collection of Thomas Dolby cover tunes arranged, performed, and recorded by alloy members and compiled together and presented to our chairman TMDR to mark the anniversary of his birth. And the non-musical amoungst us may contribute a recorded birthday greeting message which is set to music in a collage of other such greetings. My name is Crackers. I'm an accordionist and King Of The Geeks. I'm 33, married with two children (boy 6, girl 13months). I attend MacMaster University (although I'm taking a year off) for a combined honours in Japanese and Anthropology. I'm also a collector and programmer of Atari 2600 games. I live in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (a city aptly described as looking like the set from the movie Blade Runner, especially during a rainy night). I'm a very big fan of Cajun and Zydeco music and like everyone else on the list a very big fan of Thomas Dolby. You can find out more about me at my recently updated webpage (url in sig file) So, tell us a little about yourself now. CRACKERS (Introductions from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:11:11 PDT From: "matt saeli" Subject: Alloy: Gate to the Minds Eye I'm new to this. I've been on the list for awhile, but I haven't responded or wrote anything. I would like to know if Gate to the Minds Eye is just instumental or if it is Thomas Dolby singing on it? Also does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of Aliens Ate My Buick on CD. I'm having a difficult time trying to find it. Thanks in advance for you help. Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:25:20 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: France In a message dated 10/22/98 10:45:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JARUTLAND@aol.com writes: << Dave, at least your not bitter. >> LOL! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:21:07 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: gothic..cemeteries... In a message dated 10/22/98 8:39:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 104040.2055@compuserve.com writes: << I loved to take my friends to the cemetary there at night, turn off the lights and drove around the cemetary while playing the music to "Gothic" (if you haven't heard it, it is perfect for such a scenario). It scared the Hell out of my friends and I loved it!! >> Oh my goodness Rochelle... it sounds like you and I have a lot in common... :) Robin T !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:31:53 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: x In a message dated 10/22/98 9:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lae2@bellsouth.net writes: << Oh stop it you wonderful rediculous beautiful opinionated selfless fantastic person you. >> Wow, all those things? right at you Alan (& thank you!! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:38:41 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: France In a message dated 10/22/98 10:45:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JARUTLAND@aol.com writes: << "Don't even get me started on the french man. I'm afraid that my opinion of france may actually cause the entire country to spontaneously combust if I express it out loud." -- Dave, at least your not bitter. Andy >> Exactly Andy I'm very proud of my forgiving nature and the fact that I have indeed purged all prejudice from my soul. __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:27:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: To All at Alloy Welcome, Rochelle, and thank you for writing such an eloquent letter and inspiring TMDR to do the same! > The only deep, dark, secret that I will admit that relates to Thomas Dolby > is that I grew up in San Francisco and I loved to drive around the Presidio > (a military base), I loved to take my friends to the cemetary there at > night, turn off the lights and drove around the cemetary while playing the > music to "Gothic" (if you haven't heard it, it is perfect for such a > scenario). It scared the Hell out of my friends and I loved it!! Well, as I live not far from the Presidio, I'll have to try this out myself this Halloween. Although if it rains, I will not run about in the buff a la Julian Sands. > Anything else that I should say or answer? Yes: please acknowledge that you enter this mailing list willingly, understanding that it is, in fact, a covert government operation designed to attract the most articulate and creative people on the net for observation and analysis, based on the high correlation between such traits and an interest in the music of one 'Thomas Dolby.' Excuse me, but there are some dark-suited figures knocking at my door. Have fun! BC - --- Brian Clayton "Anyway, it's not me that's mad, it's the rest stemish@lns.com of the world. Aaaaaaaahh!" -- TMDR ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #282 ***************************