From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #169 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, June 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 169 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Silence [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Alloy: Can't wait much longer [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Re: Alloy: Can't wait much longer [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Can't wait much longer [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Alloy: Silence etc.......... [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Alloy: Rules [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Can't wait much longer [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Rules [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] Re: Alloy: Rules [IT Admin - Govt Office North West > I love geckos!! how cute! though... sorry about the bug thing... Another friend of mine is going into the studio for finishing touches this Sunday. He must have been in about a million times leading up to this so he's been a wreck these last couple of months... When we had that torrential flooding last weekend, he was sure he had a vision of the master tape floating on backed-up sewer water within the rapidly-flooding studio, a large rat entwined within the unravelled tape, swimming for its life... but the studio didn't flood & everything was fine :) I wonder what you would think of his stuff... it would be interesting to get your opinion as another recording musician. Maybe I can send you a copy of it? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:16:16 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't wait much longer . it would be interesting to get your opinion as another recording musician. Maybe I can send you a copy of it? Robin T OK! the_copse have you still got my address? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:48:05 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Alloy: Silence etc.......... There's a funny kind of rule in here isn't there, about not posting about major events that are soaking up all other media coverage. I wasn't around when the Diana thing was going on (I wish I'd been in Timbuktu or somewhere) but we do seem to have an automatic urge to get away from the media's all-powerful whims to a bit of sensible civilisation. The World Cup's the same, so if John and I annoyed anyone then !Sorry! (but it's great for us Brit's to laugh at the Yanks getting kicked out with 0 points!) By the way, what did happen here in Dianatime? Was it mentioned at all? the_copse (accidentally sent this just to Slarv first.........) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:32:22 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Rules I never heard of any rule like that, and if there is, quite frankly I don't care... it's a free world to discuss what we want; quite frankly some of the discussions which have passed by here have bored me shitless, but I have respected others' rights to discuss whatever they were discussing. My little trip to Bordeaux was important to me; I wished to share my experiences with my "friends" on the list, inasmuchas others on the list talk about their little soirées, moments in their lives etc. No, I don't want to swamp the list with endless stuff about hooligans, rights and wrongs, dodgy refs and naff ticket arrangements, either. Got that off me chest, didn't I ? John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... Well, uh.. speaking as a Yank that doesn't really know what you're looking for in response to your two USA-loss digs, I guess that's why I haven't said anything. You might let us know what you were expecting. There's many more mean-spirited things I could say about England (or any other country), but I won't. P.S. Go Colombia...! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk wrote: > media's all-powerful whims to a bit of sensible civilisation. The World > Cup's the same, so if John and I annoyed anyone then !Sorry! (but it's > great for us Brit's to laugh at the Yanks getting kicked out with 0 > points!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:47:58 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't wait much longer In a message dated 6/26/98 8:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk writes: << the_copse have you still got my address? >> Great! Yes, I am certain I still have it, but if I don't I'll get it from you again (his CD release is not til Sept but you should be getting it soon after that... :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:04:59 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... In a message dated 6/26/98 8:38:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk writes: << (but it's great for us Brit's to laugh at the Yanks getting kicked out with 0 points!) >> Yeah, we suck & we're proud of it... ! USA! USA! but really, all these news commentators have been trying to figure out just why the American team is so um, bad... The reason they're giving is inexperience, based on the fact that football/soccer has never been that popular here before, which is supposedly based on the fact that it's so boring to watch on tv! (????) Robin T who would much rather participate than just watch, anyway! :) (though because I'm American, my participation would consist of selling beer at the concessions stand) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:37:16 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules In a message dated 6/26/98 10:41:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com writes: << My little trip to Bordeaux was important to me; I wished to share my experiences with my "friends" on the list, inasmuchas others on the list talk about their little soirées, moments in their lives etc. No, I don't want to swamp the list with endless stuff about hooligans, rights and wrongs, dodgy refs and naff ticket arrangements, either. >> There aren't really any rules here at Alloy as far as I know, except to try to keep it friendly & not start any catfights. You can talk about anything you like here, and I think it's great to have a good variety of topics. For subject matter I, personally, usually try to avoid typically heated subject matter, such as that having to do with religion, politics, or sporting events/teams, except in passing... but I'm happy you (and a good many others here on the list!) love football. You can talk about it here as much as you please, John, don't be shy!!! We've been hearing a lot about the games all over the news, even here in the States. I don't know anything about this game, or very many other sports for that matter, but I was rather hoping I'd learn something about it now since there's been so much coverage. Who better to learn from than my good & trusted friends at Alloy? About the hooliganism you mention... one English reporter explained that these are not real football fans, only actual skinheads & the like who play at being fans of this team or that just so they can bash other people's brains in at events. They don't really care about the game one way or another... it's just some kind of double-Y-chromosome thing. What's your take on it? I gather this so-called 'fan violence' is becoming a huge embarrassment to football fans the world over. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:18:35 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... Perhaps the bottom line to American soccer/football is that we generally do not compete against world-class teams or talent here so when an international event comes around we routinely get stomped. There is something about the sport which American audiences do not enjoy which results in low game attendance, gate revenue, television contracts, and ultimately no incentive to bring international talent here such as the NBA and NHL have done. I am a major sports fan at heart and enjoy all forms of sport so I do find it hard to figure why we cannot progress in the World Cup and instead are more concerned with the Winston Cup! On a positive note the U.S. did beat Colombia 2-0 in the last World Cup which was the biggest victory to date for us Yanks. We can also boast to having Pele play for the New York Cosmos in the '70's although no one was watching! Good luck to everyone's World Cup favorite and may the best team win. M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... > >In a message dated 6/26/98 8:38:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk writes: > ><< (but it's > great for us Brit's to laugh at the Yanks getting kicked out with 0 > points!) >> > >Yeah, we suck & we're proud of it... ! USA! USA! >but really, all these news commentators have been trying to figure out just >why the American team is so um, bad... The reason they're giving is >inexperience, based on the fact that football/soccer has never been that >popular here before, which is supposedly based on the fact that it's so boring >to watch on tv! (????) >Robin T >who would much rather participate than just watch, anyway! :) >(though because I'm American, my participation would consist of selling beer >at the concessions stand) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:23:00 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules If you think the English fans are rabid you should see the New York sports fans when you pull for the other team! I was chased through the parking lot after a N.Y. Jets/ Miami Dolphins football game just for waving a Dolphins pennant! Good thing I had jogging shoes on... M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules In a message dated 6/26/98 10:41:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com writes: << My little trip to Bordeaux was important to me; I wished to share my experiences with my "friends" on the list, inasmuchas others on the list talk about their little soirées, moments in their lives etc. No, I don't want to swamp the list with endless stuff about hooligans, rights and wrongs, dodgy refs and naff ticket arrangements, either. >> There aren't really any rules here at Alloy as far as I know, except to try to keep it friendly & not start any catfights. You can talk about anything you like here, and I think it's great to have a good variety of topics. For subject matter I, personally, usually try to avoid typically heated subject matter, such as that having to do with religion, politics, or sporting events/teams, except in passing... but I'm happy you (and a good many others here on the list!) love football. You can talk about it here as much as you please, John, don't be shy!!! We've been hearing a lot about the games all over the news, even here in the States. I don't know anything about this game, or very many other sports for that matter, but I was rather hoping I'd learn something about it now since there's been so much coverage. Who better to learn from than my good & trusted friends at Alloy? About the hooliganism you mention... one English reporter explained that these are not real football fans, only actual skinheads & the like who play at being fans of this team or that just so they can bash other people's brains in at events. They don't really care about the game one way or another... it's just some kind of double-Y-chromosome thing. What's your take on it? I gather this so-called 'fan violence' is becoming a huge embarrassment to football fans the world over. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:48:51 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules At 16:32 26/06/98 -0500, John wrote: > > > I never heard of any rule like that, and if there is, quite frankly I > don't care... it's a free world to discuss what we want; quite frankly > some of the discussions which have passed by here have bored me > shitless, but I have respected others' rights to discuss whatever they > were discussing. > > My little trip to Bordeaux was important to me; I wished to share my > experiences with my "friends" on the list, inasmuchas others on the > list talk about their little soirées, moments in their lives etc. > > No, I don't want to swamp the list with endless stuff about hooligans, > rights and wrongs, dodgy refs and naff ticket arrangements, either. > > Got that off me chest, didn't I ? > > John > > > I refer the honorable gentleman to my previous comments on this subject. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:48:48 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Silence etc.......... At 12:48 26/06/98 +0000, the_copse wrote: > > >There's a funny kind of rule in here isn't there, about not posting about >major events that are soaking up all other media coverage. There are no rules, really, apart from maybe not making personal attacks on other list members. One thing I like about Alloy is that members just don't waste time going on and on about topics that are covered more than adequately elsewhere. They may make a quick comment, in passing, but that's usually the extent of it. After all, if you want to talk football (soccer) you subscribe to a soccer list, if you want to talk politics I'm sure there are plenty of places to do that too. And I'm sure you wouldn't subscribe to a Manchester United mailing list, if such a thing exists, and expect to get much response if you began complaining that Thomas Dolby isn't recording any new material. >I wasn't around >when the Diana thing was going on (I wish I'd been in Timbuktu or >somewhere) but we do seem to have an automatic urge to get away from the >media's all-powerful whims to a bit of sensible civilisation. The World >Cup's the same, so if John and I annoyed anyone then !Sorry! (but it's >great for us Brit's to laugh at the Yanks getting kicked out with 0 >points!) > No, I don't think anyone was offended. I get the impression that Alloy subscibers know better than to rise to the bait and it's more likely that there were no responses because there are very few of us who are that interested in footy. If they WERE, they could say that the US team at least got to the finals, unlike certain other country's teams. >By the way, what did happen here in Dianatime? Was it mentioned at all? > Very little, as I remember it. Again, it will have been covered elsewhere on the 'net. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules At 19:37 26/06/98 EDT, Robin wrote: > >About the hooliganism you mention... one English reporter explained that these > are not real football fans, only actual skinheads & the like who play at being > fans of this team or that just so they can bash other people's brains in at > events. They don't really care about the game one way or another... it's just > some kind of double-Y-chromosome thing. What's your take on it? I gather this > so-called 'fan violence' is becoming a huge embarrassment to football fans the > world over. > >Robin T > > That's right. This is not a new phenomenon, it's been going on for years in many countries in Europe and in many cases trouble-makers are organised gangs like Neo-Nazis or members of the British National Party who travel in the guise of footy fans purely in order to start trouble. Not having been in France during any of the recent clashes, I can't comment on anything other than has been reported in the media. It's unfortunate that the spotlight has been on the English, when it's also been reported, though not so widely, that a lot of trouble has been caused by natives and people from other countries. One thing that was perhaps not disclosed was that FIFA (the football governing body) were apparently warned NOT to stage England's first game in Marseilles, as intelligence suggested it was an inappropriate venue, but they went ahead anyway. The vast majority of English fans in France have been there just to enjoy the football, and have done so. We know it's possible for this to happen without problems, as the Scottish fans have proved. They also have more than a few drinks before the games, but happily mix with the opposing team's fans, and afterwards celebrate their team's performance whether they won or lost, without resorting to violence. This is exactly how it should be, with sport acting as a mechanism to bring countries together, rather than promoting unhealthy rivalry. The USA v Iran game was another good example of sportsmanship overcoming political differences. Damn, I didn't really want to go on at this length on this subject, but I've stuck my two cents/pence/bob's worth in now and will say no more. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:41:07 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Infrared Goggles - a source In a message dated 6/21/98 2:26:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com writes: << Yeah, right! Later the press will interview you about him and you'll say, "I don't understand it. He seemed to be such a nice person. Always bringing me goodies from the chocolate factory where he worked . . ." >> No no no we'll say "he was always a deranged maniac. We're so shoked that the body count was only in the triple digets. We always thought he had more of a work ethic than that." - --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:34:32 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Rules In a message dated 6/26/98 8:51:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk writes: << The USA v Iran game was another good example of sportsmanship overcoming political differences. >> Yes, I was very proud!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:27:11 -0500 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Alloy: More TMDR on the web Go here: http://www.futurenet.com/samplenet/people/Dolby/dolby.html Samplenet is the source - they have yet another article about our esteemed chairman. Enjoy. // Lee Jackson, Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. / 3D Realms Entertainment // http://bounce.to/ljackson ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #169 ***************************