From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #153 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, June 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds ["Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds Dear Alloy, Crackers has touched upon an idea that I find myself reflecting on frequently these days. It is quite amazing to me how much you have all become a Very Real Part of my life. My day to day thoughts, little and large, are commonly thoughts of the Alloyed, and a few other email friends. Whether we meet in the flesh or not, you have an effect on my life: what I do and think and say. I like that. Thank you for being here. I am so glad we met. You have enriched my life --- hopefully I can return the favor. Crackers, I am sorry for your loss. Because you hurt, I hurt. /\/\iles ********************************************************************* Whether a thought is spoken or not, it is a real thing, and has power. ---Hedley Tuek ********************************************************************* P.S. I can't be the only listie who thought of Star Trek upon viewing the subject header . . . can I? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:56:47 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Hiding in the Back Row >Don't sweat it Melissa, post your journal entries to the list. >Well, at least that's two votes "for", from /\/\iles and Europa I'll third that motion.> I'll fourth it. The motion is carried! the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:03:18 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Hiding in the Back Row Hear Hear! I fifth the motion! Welcome back Melissa! I simply love your stories,...please post 'em! Terveisia! Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk [SMTP:Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] > Sent: 10 June 1998 10:57 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: Hiding in the Back Row > > > > > > > >Don't sweat it Melissa, post your journal entries to the list. > >Well, at least that's two votes "for", from /\/\iles and Europa > I'll third that motion.> > > I'll fourth it. The motion is carried! > > the_copse > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:14:32 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds Hi stephen, et al, Stephen, thanks for those lovely words,...! I was just thinking this morning how important this list is for me these days. It's a little like having the voices of friends around me, very comforting, and has been tremendous support over the difficult last six months,...I find myself relating your stories and jokes to my friends over here, and often think of you all, even if I've been inactive lately. Crackers, my thoughts are with you,...I've lost a couple of friends, (one of which I was friends with under similar circumstances,) over the last few months,..Ironically perhaps, I think these experiences have made me treasure life more than ever before, especially the parts of it to do with those people I'm lucky enough to call my friends. Take care of yourselves, Yours, in appreciation of knowing you guys, lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen M. Tilson [SMTP:Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com] > Sent: 10 June 1998 10:45 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds > > > Dear Alloy, > > Crackers has touched upon an idea that I find myself reflecting on > frequently > these days. It is quite amazing to me how much you have all become a Very > > Real Part of my life. My day to day thoughts, little and large, are > commonly > thoughts of the Alloyed, and a few other email friends. Whether we meet > in > the flesh or not, you have an effect on my life: what I do and think and > say. > > I like that. Thank you for being here. I am so glad we met. You have > enriched my life --- hopefully I can return the favor. > > Crackers, I am sorry for your loss. Because you hurt, I hurt. > > /\/\iles > > ********************************************************************* > > Whether a thought is spoken or not, it is a real thing, > and has power. ---Hedley Tuek > > ********************************************************************* > > > > > > P.S. I can't be the only listie who thought of Star Trek upon viewing the > > subject header . . . can I? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:16:50 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: crackers' friend! In a message dated 6/10/98 12:24:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, crackers@hwcn.org writes: << I just received an unsettling e-mail today on the Atari 2600 programmer's newsgroup. An online friend of mine has passed away. It is such a strange sensation to deeply mourn the loss of someone who I have never met, whose voice I have never heard, and whose total sum of communications with me had been ASCII text on my computer monitor. But even though I have not had any physical contact with him he was every bit as real a friend to me as the friends I meet daily in the flesh and so too are the dear people on this e-mail list who I have shared so much with and who have in turn shared so much with me. >> I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear of this loss. I, too, agree that friendship can span all kinds of things, including never having been in the same place at the same time physically. I have met so many sweet & wonderful people through being pen-pals (on paper or the internet) whom I very likely may never meet... it's fun & rather romantic to be able to communicate this way & I'm really touched that even in such an 'image-oriented' day & age, the written word still has such power, to bring people together as friends. crackers, if you're in touch with his family please let them know that people at Alloy are very sorry about their loss! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:33:34 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Hiding in the Back Row Melissa, I know exactly the sort of horrors you're going through with your illness (your description of the barking voice, and the apartment you'd rather blowtorch than have to straighten up in your condition, have brought back many a memory... !!) The one plus is that in a few days, your voice will drop one sultry octave & you can seduce everyone within hearing range with your sexy voice ;) But in spite of the fun of this, don't work your voice too much, drink plenty of water or echinacea tea, or especially this drink from health food stores which is echinacea tea & honey... it's great if you can stand the stinging throat sensation... your voice will be back in singing shape in no time. Bronchial infections are my life, darling. Get well soon! And please - as I already begged in a keening, whining voice in one of my latest posts - DO tell us stories of your trip!!! Did you get lots of beautiful fabrics on your buying trip? great to have you back - we missed you!!! love Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:07:52 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: concerts In a message dated 6/4/98 11:42:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu writes: <> I haven't been to very many concerts at all, it takes a steamshovel to get me out of the house unless we're going out to see friends of ours. When David Bowie came to Boston recently I didn't go, because I had a class... I actually sent my husband off with a friend of his from work ('another woman!') to enjoy the concert while I quietly pursued my studies elsewhere... that's how much I hate crowds. But I would brave anything to hear Thomas speak, or for the snowball's-chance- in-hell of hearing him perform (he is the steamshovel... I am but a clod of dirt in his path) Pepe Le Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:16:42 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: BTW I just wanted to offer my sincere gratitude to the gracious person on this list who so nicely thanked me for 'keeping the list talking' over recent days. I sometimes remind myself of this kid I saw at the grocery store who was bugging his older sister... when I looked at him I saw that he was unselfconsciously wearing a t-shirt which said 'HELP! I'm talking & I can't shut up!!!' Yep... so it was nice to know that someone doesn't actually think I'm as annoying as I feel...thanks for making me feel better :) ! Which reminds me... a very nice friend of ours wants infra-red or night-vision goggles for his birthday (sept. 1) does anyone here happen to know how I can find some which I can afford? You never know if you don't ask!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:57:30 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: You mean there are TWO Robin's? At 19:04 08/06/98 EDT, Robin T wrote: > > >Slarvi, no way!! did you really think we were the same person? :) >Robyn M - maybe we were separated at birth, since Slarv can't tell us apart!! >I've always wanted a twin sister. > >Robin T > > > Not really, I was just teasing. I think I know who's who around Alloy by now; the regular contributors, the intermittent ones, and the very occasional ones. But I'm intrigued to know who lurks but NEVER writes. I'm sure Paul said there were around 80 subscribers to Alloy, but we never hear from quite a lot of them. If there ARE any Read-Only folk out there, now's the time to change your attributes to Read/Write. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:57:32 +0100 (BST) From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: RE: Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds At 12:14 10/06/98 +0300, Lissu wrote: > >Hi stephen, et al, > >Stephen, thanks for those lovely words,...! I was just thinking this morning >how important this list is for me these days. It's a little like having the voices of friends around >me, very comforting, and has been tremendous support over the difficult last six months,...I find >myself relating your stories and jokes to my friends over here, and often think of you all, >even if I've been inactive lately. > I also agree with the sentiments of Crackers, Miles and Lissu. When I was young(er) I often wondered what it'd be like to have a pen friend, but never got around to doing anything about it. Then, when I first got access to the internet, I found my way to the Flat Earth Society Tap Room, and began what has become an important and long lasting friendship with more 'pen' friends than I could ever have wished for. In fact it was Crackers with whom I first struck up an acquaintance, around the first time the threads of the Tap Room mysteriously disappeared. I remember almost exactly his words at the time, when I posted to ask what had happened. "Whoops, I kicked the plug out of the internet." I thought he had something to do with running the Tap Room but soon realised he was another little voice in the wildernesss, just like mine. It IS a strange thing, this virtual freindship consisting of slow motion conversations, but just as important as my analogue, real-time ones. I also have to say that it bothers me that we could lose touch with our fellow Alloyites and never know what happened to them. We haven't heard from some for a while, and unlike Neil Leacy, Maurice, Otto, Electric and AlgieArch, they may not have announced their subscription cancellation. (I know Otto is lurking, and I sometimes hear from him privately as well as via Alloy, but we know he's still tuned it even if he doesn't have a lot of time to post to us.) I'll admit that I was concerned about John in Tazmania when we didn't hear from him for a couple of weeks, just after those dreadful fires down there, and I worried that he might have been injured, or worse, doing his job, or just geting caught up in it. I was very relieved to hear he'd just been away on holiday. Crackers, we DO understand your loss, and Melissa, we hope you make a speedy recovery. Alloy is now more than 'just' a place for Dolby fans to chat, it's a mutual support group that gives unconditional friendship, and that's something to be treasured. Dog bless us all. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:00:32 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: You mean there are TWO Robin's? 80 subscribers? That's amazing! I thought there was only 10 or 12 since that's about how many people I've seen posting messages. The one from TMDR himself a week ago was a nice surprise for this Alloy newcomer. Let's hope we can motivate some other members to dust off those keyboards and fire up their processors! M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: You mean there are TWO Robin's? > >At 19:04 08/06/98 EDT, Robin T wrote: >> >> >>Slarvi, no way!! did you really think we were the same person? :) >>Robyn M - maybe we were separated at birth, since Slarv can't tell us apart!! >>I've always wanted a twin sister. >> >>Robin T >> >> >> > >Not really, I was just teasing. I think I know who's who around Alloy by >now; the regular contributors, the intermittent ones, and the very >occasional ones. But I'm intrigued to know who lurks but NEVER writes. I'm >sure Paul said there were around 80 subscribers to Alloy, but we never hear >from quite a lot of them. > >If there ARE any Read-Only folk out there, now's the time to change your >attributes to Read/Write. > >Slarv > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:37:51 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: So much catching up to do... Hello, folks! Just as I log back on, I find out that I have a 40-minute keynote address to draft in the next two days for The Boss to present in Korea next month. So, I shall remain silent for a few more days... Oy! I'm so sorry to hear of the death of Crackers' friend. I have encountered some amazing people out in the ether, and I know I would be as shocked and affected to hear of one of them passing as I would by the passing of anyone I know here in the real world. Hold on to your friends, folks, and never take them for granted. Thanks to all of you who offered the kind thumbs up to my travel stories. Once I resurface from speechwriter mode, I'll dig them up from the laptop and send them out. Looks like I may be packing up for Beijing and Shanghai in September, so there may be more stories pending... Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:49:28 +-1000 From: John Schofield Subject: Alloy: Friendships, Fires and Funerals Following recent threads from fellow Alloyites I feel moved to write. Over the past couple of years I've grown rather fond of you all. Following Cracker's recent loss (commiserations to you) I realise how I would feel if someone from Alloy were to pass away. It would feel like losing a close friend or family member. I think we have some very special people on this list - all with very different personalities - but all very warm hearted and with one common link which has brought us all together. I feel very proud to be a part of this special group. It sounds a bit soppy, I know, but its how I feel. In real life I am a very quite person and probably would not be able to say this to your faces. Thanks for being there. On a similar vein I felt a strange warm fuzzy feeling when I read of Slarv's concerns for my welfare. >I'll admit that I was concerned about John in Tazmania when we didn't hear >from him for a couple of weeks, just after those dreadful fires down there, >and I worried that he might have been injured, or worse, doing his job, or >just geting caught up in it. I was very relieved to hear he'd just been >away on holiday. Thanks, Slarv. I was not directly affected by the fires but our Secretary lost her house and everything in it to them. I think Paul will understand but for those who have not experienced a bushfire it's hard to imagine the intense power and devastation these forces of nature possess. They are totally uncontrollable and unstopable. They are also a fact of life in most parts of Australia. Two years ago a bushfire came within 20 metres of our house. One minute it was miles away and the next minute it was racing down a hill towards the house. The flames were just leaping from tree-top to tree-top completely oblivious of the fire breaks the local brigade had made. The heat was so intense that you had to cover your face when it was 50 metres away. And then the wind shifted. Next summer will be interesting with 3 years re-growth to contend with. I think I will be doing quite a bit of burning off between then and now. >Melissa, we hope you make a speedy >recovery. Alloy is now more than 'just' a place for Dolby fans to chat, it's >a mutual support group that gives unconditional friendship, and that's >something to be treasured. Here, here. And Mary how are you feeling? Love to you all my Friends, John (john@police.tas.gov.au) ps. Hey Slarv was that a deliberate miss-spell of Tasmania? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:43:16 EDT From: PROCAT1@aol.com Subject: Alloy: a lurker write - ie discovery award hello all, a lurker found this "blip" mentioning thomas, hope this isn't a repeat! mark MusiCode Wins Discover Magazine Award PRNewswire ARIS Technologies, Inc.'s MusiCode(TM) audio watermarking system was honored as the recipient of the 1998 Discover Magazine Award for Technological Innovation in the category of Sound. The honor was bestowed upon ARIS this past Saturday evening at an Awards Gala held at the EPCOT Center in Orlando, Florida. In recognition of this honor, MusiCode is featured in the July 1998 Awards Issue of DISCOVER Magazine. MusiCode embeds indelible information within music while preserving flawless audiophile sound quality. Since MusiCode becomes an integral part of the music itself, it travels with the music through any transmission media, including radio, television, cable, satellite, and the Internet, as well as physical media such as CD, DVD and cassette tape. Celebrities, top scientists, and hundreds of technology lovers attended the Awards Gala. Interactive musician Thomas Dolby presented the Award to Dr. Joseph M. Winograd, ARIS Chief Technology Officer, whom accepted the honor on behalf of his company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:05:05 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: The Best Of Both Worlds Crackers.. Robin.. Slarv... et al. Though I've only been involved a relatively short time with Alloy.. and most of that time I've been a lurker.. rather than a more active participant.. I agree with you all on the aspect of growing friendship without necessarily meeting personally. My condolences to you, Crackers.. and to the family and friends of Mr. Nitchals. The aspect of someone disappearing from the scene without being noticed is plain and clear to me as well.. after having been away for two months.. and really, the only ones that are aware of you all slowly filling in spots in my life are you yourselves. Since I live alone.. there isn't that significant other nearby to trade comments with regarding what is happening in the land of the Alloyed. So.. I suppose I felt a twinge after reading the latest posts.. Ahh well.. Maybe there is a way to leave a message after passing.. to tell the Alloyed that all is well.. and that the next place on the list has a great soundtrack.. something off Heretics and Astronauts to start it off.. Hmm... I hope all that is decipherable.. Be well.. all. Mark ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #153 ***************************