From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #145 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Multi-local Bands [Kurt Haug ] Alloy: Re: I read you 5 by 5, Keith [p.louie1@genie.com] Alloy: Charts [p.louie1@genie.com] Re: Alloy: Eco! [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Alloy: Footballing Philosophy [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.b] Alloy: Re saving brains [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: Re: I read you 5 by 5, Keith ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] Re: Alloy: Eco! [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Peabody's [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Re: Good Omens [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: To the Twins from Europa ["Mary A. Brown" ] Alloy: RE: To the Twins from Europa ? [John Schofield ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:38:04 -0700 From: Kurt Haug Subject: Alloy: Multi-local Bands D'Arcy said: >...But I've lost touch with the new music scene >there as my life's gotten busier. I propose we all take >inventory of our national music gold and provide >some introductions for each other on what's >happening in our individual corners of this flat >earth. Here's some submissions for your global consideration... CANADA Northern Pikes Barenaked Ladies and of course, Bruce Cockburn AUSTRALIA Black Sorrows Paul Kelly and the Messengers NEW ZEALAND Split Enz JAPAN YMO (Yellow Magic Orchestra)--(FYI, member Ryuichi Sakamoto has worked w/ TMDB...) Buck Tick ...Just some personal faves. Sure I could come up with more and from other regions... KH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 07:13:00 GMT From: p.louie1@genie.com Subject: Alloy: Re: I read you 5 by 5, Keith > The lyrics to "The Wreck of the Fairchild"? I dunno, that's a toughie . . . > > Some fruit are sweet > And some are poison. > Um, that's what it says on my Golden Age of Wireless record sleeve, so I guess that's correct. Even tougher is trying to understand what the Chilean translations are saying... - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 07:12:00 GMT From: p.louie1@genie.com Subject: Alloy: Charts >Science! topped the charts at #5 while Hyperactive! managed to make it >to #65 (I believe 65 is right). The other song I initially thought to >be One Of Our Subs but that hit the new wave chart. New Wave Chart? There was really a Top 100 New Wave Chart? I never heard of that chart. The only charts (in the US) I can think of are the Pop, Radio, Country, Dance, umm...is that it? (Rap and Alternative came later I think.) I wonder how long the New Wave Chart lasted. >I would've sworn Airhead had made it but my source says it ain't so >which leaves Europa reaching #68 (once again I believe that's the right >number). Almost forgot about that one! I'm almost positive that's correct. >A friend of mine is composing a collection of every song that has ever >charted in Billboard's Top 40 and he's the one who hit me with this >question. You can imagine the task he is undertaking-40 songs a week >stockpiled almost 40 years and he's 60% complete to date. He must have boxes and boxes of 7" singles! >We have an 80's revival tour here at the VA Beach ampitheater >featuring Culture Club, Human League, and Howard Jones. Seems like >yesterday when I was just hearing these artists for the first time! >Where does the time go? >Michael I'm hoping the groups pass by the west coast. I'd like to see them in concert for once. I agree you that time seems to fly so quickly now. Don't know why..... - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:05:26 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Eco! RThurF@aol.com on 01/06/98 23:48:03 Please respond to alloy@smoe.org To: alloy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Tim Dunn/JBA/44) Subject: Alloy: Eco! Well, you know what these Latin types are like! But anyway, I hardly think it makes any difference that the characters are all male - if you're writing in a field where that is the case (oil-drilling, pro-football, Southern European philosophy) it would be unrealistic to do otherwise. I also think that although the characters of Amparo (?) and Lia are largely symbolic, they are deliberately written to deflate the high-falutin' rhetoric of the men, Jacopo and Diotalevi. After all, who is proven right in the end?? Perhaps the book is written with a directly male slant - it is certainly interesting to contrast the style with that of A S Byatt, whose Possession is similarly structured, yet quite different. I find Eco very much in tune with his audience. Although it can be said that his plotting is convoluted and his di-monologues overblown, I for one find it exhilarating to read the passages of extended lateral thinking of which mere 'novelists' are just not capable. He is able to raise and answer questions in a way that less learned men are not, but I feel that it is always done with a sense of humour and style that is definitely Mediteranean, energetic, and self-deprecating - you have to admit there are some very choice jokes in there. Also, his use of language is unusual in that many of the more dense passages are not, in my opinion, meant for immediate cognition and literal sense; rather they are impressionist, to create atmosphere, or to portray the state of mind of one of the characters or situations. These can be almost skim-read (like most of American psycho) without any negative impact on your understanding. Another point is that it's definitely a philosophical novel a la Sartre (as well as being historical and sociological, and god knows what else) which clearly impacts on the way you have to approach it. This is all tricky stuff though, and I understand why it's hard to get into - - I had to explain alot of it to my Grandad when I was 17 - he got stuck right at the start - and he does world tours lecturing on Cervantes etc.... So what am I saying? I don't know - I can say with some honesty that it has had a major impact on me, and answered alot of questions that I think about. I do view Eco as a modern day Sartre, if not greater. Sartre is in many ways like the Beatles - a radical revolutionary in his day, who would alter the course of writing and thinking for the rest of the century, but who, read today, often doesn't seem to have grasped more than the rudiments of those who have followed. What I am most happy about is that Eco is only content to write to his full potential - it would be easy for him to churn out populist guff every year. Anyway, don't I waffle on. < I hope you don't mind my critique... good to finally get it off my chest though, and talk to someone else who is familiar with the story :) Thanks!> No Problemo!! cheers the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:57:47 -0500 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Footballing Philosophy Supporters of Worksop Town Football Club discuss philosophy with supporters of their North Derbyshire rivals... All things bright and beautiful, All creatures great and small, Worksop won promotion Alfreton won Foucault. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:21:42 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Alloy: Re saving brains I second Beth's recommendation of 'Good Omens', a fantastic book that I wasn't sure had crossed the Atlantic. Just hilarious. The sort of book you start reading again as soon as you've finished. My personal favourite book of the last couple of years was Norman Maclean's 'A River Runs Through It', which I've been recommending ad nauseum to everyone I meet for ages. If you haven't, do. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:57:07 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: I read you 5 by 5, Keith A Chilean exchange student at my high school told me it was a prayer being said by the passengers but he had trouble coming up with specific words as his English weren't so good. Our next exchange student was from Colombia but he couldn't translate it either! I think I like the revamped lyrics better... M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: p.louie1@genie.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 7:46 AM Subject: Alloy: Re: I read you 5 by 5, Keith > > > The lyrics to "The Wreck of the Fairchild"? I dunno, that's a toughie . . . > > > > Some fruit are sweet > > And some are poison. > > > >Um, that's what it says on my Golden Age of Wireless record sleeve, >so I guess that's correct. > >Even tougher is trying to understand what the Chilean translations >are saying... > >-Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:01:24 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Alloy: Peabody's I've mentioned before that Dolby played Peabody's here at VA Beach in 1984. Tomorrow night Vanilla Ice plays Peabody's on his revival tour. Sometimes you can't go home again... M.L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:43:08 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Eco! In a message dated 6/2/98 5:03:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk writes: << I hardly think it makes any difference that the characters are all male - if you're writing in a field where that is the case (oil-drilling, pro-football, Southern European philosophy) it would be unrealistic to do otherwise. I also think that although the characters of Amparo (?) and Lia are largely symbolic, they are deliberately written to deflate the high-falutin' rhetoric of the men, Jacopo and Diotalevi. >> I certainly don't mind reading books in which the main characters are men... many of my favorite books have featured men in the 'starring roles'. In fact, often I find I can identify much more readily with male characters than I can with many of the female ones I've read; therefore the fact that men are the main characters of this book was not at all my point, as I didn't consider it to be a problem. I'm glad you mentioned the symbolic nature of the characters in Foucault's Pendulum. I've found this to be true of the best novels I've read; in books by experienced authors, the characters seem to always be symbolic, and I've always found this to be quite fascinating. <> Yes, it's clear that Eco knows and loves his subject matter, and his language is most effective in and of itself; also the topics he's addressing are incredibly complex & he must convey quite a lot of information to the reader. I simply think it might have gone over better from a purely storytelling perspective if it had been conveyed in some other manner, perhaps as private thoughts? Letters? Real discussions? Eco had taken care to start the women off as intelligent, independent, interesting characters, but during the seemingly endless monologues I felt they were a bit wasted. I know... so much of this book was superb, I shouldn't complain about such things... and anyway what the hell do I know? He's Umberto Eco, and I'm just a weird girl sitting at a computer keyboard, so I ought to just shut up really. <> Not as much as Eco's men!! - just teasing! - How did you become interested in this book to begin with, Tim? Had you been a fan of Eco's writing in the past, or was it the subject matter of this particular book? and yes, the 'populist guff' is what we all would prefer to avoid... I do truly admire Eco's work... I like to think that my own artwork expresses my true strengths and passions, just as the Eco's work expresses his (but if so why am I always broke?!! :) ... however in defence of populist guff, I know at least one physicist who reads nothing but trashy airport novels in her spare time, because it's so desperately mindless & inconsequential, it gives her brain a nice little siesta. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:54:50 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Peabody's In a message dated 6/2/98 7:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LUCKEY7@prodigy.net writes: << I've mentioned before that Dolby played Peabody's here at VA Beach in 1984. Tomorrow night Vanilla Ice plays Peabody's on his revival tour. Sometimes you can't go home again... >> Eeeewwww! Well, perhaps something of Dolby's talent and good looks will somehow rub off on the poor boy. I'm certain that remnants of Thomas' glory must remain embedded in every stage he's played, and it's powerful enough to have remained even after 14 years... Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:46:23 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Re: Good Omens In a message dated 6/2/98 8:27:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lem_Bingley@zd.com writes: << I second Beth's recommendation of 'Good Omens', a fantastic book that I wasn't sure had crossed the Atlantic. Just hilarious. The sort of book you start reading again as soon as you've finished. >> Good Omens was ok, but I hope you have read Neil Gaiman's (One of the two authors of Good Omens) long run on "Sandman" for vertigo comics. The series is long since over but has been released in its entirty as a series of trade paperbacks. It has much more depth, originality and guts than Good Omens did. Neil also wrote another book "Neverwhere" and a BBC TV series of the same name along with a book of short fiction. The short fiction is really quite good, but Neverwhere just seems like a nock off of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" Reviews by Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:51:26 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: To the Twins from Europa Hi Alloyed, I know it's a bit early but considering that it's already June 3 in the land of Paul and John, I thought I'd post. I just want to wish my darling Stephen a very public "Happy Birthday". TMDR is responsible for bringing us together and for that I am very grateful. Stephen came into my life during an extremely low time for me and was brave enough to radically alter his contented existence in order to help me make it through. I've learned a lot from him and have hopefully grown a bit. I really appreciate that he's stuck by me through the tough times and that he'll be there for the scary stuff looming on the horizon. I only hope that I've given him back a little of what he's given me. The happiest of birthdays to you, my sweetheart, and may there be many, many more! Lots of love, Europa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Peabody's Huh, I thought Vanilla Ice was into power boat racing these days. Boy am I jealous that I missed seeing TD. I didn't move to Va Beach until 1985. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Michael and Denise Luckey wrote: > > I've mentioned before that Dolby played Peabody's here at VA Beach in 1984. > Tomorrow night Vanilla Ice plays Peabody's on his revival tour. > Sometimes you can't go home again... > M.L. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:31:19 +-1000 From: John Schofield Subject: Alloy: RE: To the Twins from Europa ? Hey, Happy Birthday Stephen. Hope you have a great one! Mary, I'm a bit mistified by the subject heading (although I am easily confused) - perhaps you could elaborate? John (john@police.tas.gov.au) This message powered by 'Reckless' - Australian Crawl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:13:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Dragons don't always In article <23f94c9f.357327c9@aol.com>, you wrote: >I must take this opportunity to say that I finally saw the South Park episode >where Robert Smith defeated Barbra in battle, and I got it on tape, too. >Robert Smith cracked me up! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ You've got it on tape! Hey! I'll Ro-sham-bo you for it. CRACKERS (Pip from hell!!!!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #145 ***************************