From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #144 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Leipzig is calling you.. [Beth Meyer ] Re: Alloy: one more book on the shelf... [Elaine Linstruth ] Alloy: Top5 - 6/1/98 - Rejected Scientific Papers ["Mary A. Brown" ] Re: Alloy: Dragons don't always [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Top5 - 6/1/98 - Rejected Scientific Papers [DThurkirk@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Help save Robin's brain! [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: RE: Don't toss that book! [John Schofield ] Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V3 #143 ["D'Arcy Jerome Salzmann" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Leipzig is calling you.. Hi, folks; At 01:32 PM 5/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Leipzig, having been known for centuries as a center of music, culture, >and trade, is--I suspect--just the sort of place which might appeal to >the imagination of a such a person (as well as that of a young Mr. D., of >course...) > >As well as Lokomotiv Leipzig, and for the resurgence of the Far Right. Mmmm Well, actually, when I think of Leipzig, I think of mathematics. Notably the invention of calculus by Leibniz, one of Leipzig's native sons. Leave it to us unromantic scientific types... Beth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 02:33:32 -0400 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Help save Robin's brain! Hi, folks; Well, this has been a fun thread! Until recently, reading for pleasure has been a forbidden luxury for me -- too many journal papers to read and work to do. However, I will be making note of all of these recommendations as I reclaim my life in the near future. Of course, I have already gone "off the wagon," so to speak. Before our vacation, I became totally hooked on a hysterical little book called "Good Omens" by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett. Very much in the vein of Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide" and "Dirk Gently" books, which I also adored, but with a supernatural rather than science fiction theme. Here is a sample passage, describing two demons waiting for an important event in a graveyard: "Two of them lurked in the ruined graveyard. Two shadowy figures, one hunched and squat, the other lean and menacing, both of them Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded 'Born to Lurk,' these two would have been on the album cover. They had been lurking in the fog for an hour now, but they had been pacing themselves and could lurk for the rest of the night if necessary, with still enough sullen menace left for a final burst of lurking around dawn." I can also add a vote for the Dune series, though I found the first three the most entertaining in terms of interesting characters. Also, in addition to the C.S. Lewis "Narnia" series, I would particularly recommend his science fiction book "Out of the Silent Planet" -- it actually has a lot to say about understanding across cultural barriers. Tom Robbins has also written several funny and engrossing novels, notably "Jitterbug Perfume." Also, at the risk of sounding too mainstream, I really loved John Berendt's "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil." Of course, I was already familiar with its setting of Savannah, Georgia, but this is a town that offers a lot of that exotic-location appeal. (From what I understand, the recent movie does not remotely do justice to the book.) Hoping to head for a bookstore soon, Beth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:28:57 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: BOOK SUGGESTIONS By far the best book I think I've ever read is 'Foucault's Pendulum' by Umberto Eco, more famous for 'The Name Of The Rose.' This work is even deeper than his previous efforts and really does achieve a spectacular level of resolution that will be with you for years afterwards. On a brain-saving level, it cannot be beaten. I've read it about 7 times now, and reckon to have only just received everything that it has to say - even my Grandad, who's Emeritus Professor of Romance Languages, was daunted at first!! I really do reccommend this one unreservedly. I'm currently also engaged in a brain-saving exercise, which is quite necessary in the thrilling world of IT. I've just finished Sartre's 'Nausea' (not as radical as it probably was then) and am now on Camus. See ya the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Help save Robin's brain! In article <3.0.3.32.19980601023332.0073d04c@pop.prism.gatech.edu>, you wrote: >Hi, folks; > >Well, this has been a fun thread! Until recently, reading for pleasure has >been a forbidden luxury for me -- too many journal papers to read and work >to do. However, I will be making note of all of these recommendations as I >reclaim my life in the near future. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ I'm rather fond of Sheri S. Tepper myself, although I haven't purchased a new novel in quite some time. I did, however, pick up a really cheesy 1930s sci-fi book called "Warrior Women Of Mars" or some such pulp title. I haven't read it yet, but inside are a number if ink drawing of well endowed topless martian women battling multi-headed beasties. Looks like it should be a real laugh. I've been buying these really cheesey sci-fi/fantasy books from the Goodwill and Sally-Anne whenever I'm out hunting for Atari 2600 carts but haven't found any. I had one really cheesy book from a sci-fi sexual adventures series. But I spilled a coke all over it and had to toss it (fortunately I had already read the book). The only problem with buying series books at the trifts is that it's almost impossible to find the rest of the series. Especially old out of print books. CRACKERS (more cheese please from hell!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: one more book on the shelf... Hey, Charles.. sounds a bit "Northern Exposure" ish. Are they similar? - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Sat, 30 May 1998, Charles E. Kemp wrote: > the Road, Alaska. To the best of my knowledge, there are just two of > these novels, _The End of the Road_ and _The Big Garage on Clear Shot_. > Both books focus on the denizens of End of the Road, how they got there, > what they are doing while they are there, and what everyone else in town > thinks about them doing it. It's a terrific slice of small town life, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby trivia Hey Michael, had I known (or been paying attention), I'd have looked you up. I just spent 3 and a half weeks in Virginia Beach! Most of the time I was bored, bored, bored, too. Glad to know I have an Alloy friend from "home" though -- you can keep me up to date on the latest. By the way, I have a teensy bit of advice for any of you who might think about taking a monthlong vacation sans partner, with a 15-month-old baby. In a word: "reconsider." - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Sun, 31 May 1998, Michael and Denise Luckey wrote: > to date. We have an 80's revival tour here at the VA Beach ampitheater > featuring Culture Club, Human League, and Howard Jones. Seems like yesterday > when I was just hearing these artists for the first time! > Where does the time go? > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:42 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: Top5 - 6/1/98 - Rejected Scientific Papers Hi Everybody, My bestest friend sent me this post so of course I had to forward it to you folks. Nice to know that other people still remember TMDR! Europa >================================================================ > > > June 1, 1998 > > > The Top 16 Rejected Scientific Papers > > >[ This list copyright 1998 by Chris White and Ziff Davis, Inc. ] >[ The Top Five List top5@walrus.com http://www.topfive.com ] >[ To forward or repost, please include this section. ] > > > >16> Imminent Global Destruction: Why Tea Leone Won't Return My Calls > >15> A Study of Who Can Shoot Milk Out of His Nose Farther, Me or My > Friend, Matt > >14> Charles Nelson Reilly: Testosterone, Androgen and the > Hypermasculine of the Species > >13> Highway to Hell: The Deadly Link Between Air Guitar and Young > Male WASP Traffic Fatalities > >12> Post Scripted Annotations of the Reader's Maternal Parent > Pertaining to Promiscuous Coital Activities for Remuneration: > Your Mother's a Ho > >11> Abnormal Behavioral Models of Slacker Office-Publishing > Lackeys: Why it Took Me 5 Friggin' Days to Get This Paper Back > From Kinkos > >10> Turning Crap to Gold: The New QVC Alchemy > > 9> Spewing Profits: Are the Bath Tissue and Olestra Industries in > Bed Together? > > 8> Effects of a Huge, No-Strings Government Research Grant on > Frank Farel of Long Island, NY... About a Million Bucks, Say > > 7> How Much Fibrous Xylem Could a Marmota Monax Slough if a > Marmota Monax Could Slough Fibrous Xylem? > > 6> Seruc rof aixelsyD > > 5> WHAM!: Production of Liquid by Means of Manual Stimulation of a > Cylinder > > 4> Ants in my Pants: A Personal Case Study > > 3> Observed Effects of Viagra on Bone Regeneration > > 2> Cats, Landings, and the Empire State Building: How High Is TOO > High? > > >and Top5's Number 1 Rejected Scientific Paper... > > > 1> She Blinded Me With Acid: The Do's and Don'ts of Lab Assistant > Harassment > > > >Selected from 131 submissions from 48 contributors. >Today's Top Five List authors are: >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Muse, Seattle, WA -- 1 (23th #1 / Hall of Famer) >Lev L. Spiro, Los Angeles, CA -- 2 (Hall of Famer) >Kevin Hawley, Fairless Hills, PA -- 3 >Kevin Freels, Sun Valley, CA -- 4 >Jim Rosenberg, Greensboro, NC -- 5 >Paul Seaburn, Houston, TX -- 6 >Patrick Douglas Crispen, Univ of Alabama -- 7 >LeMel Hebert-Williams, San Francisco, CA -- 8 (Hall of Famer) >John Treusch, Burlington, NJ -- 9, 13 >David Hyatt, New York, NY -- 10 >Jonathan D. Colan, Miami, FL -- 11, 15 >Dave Henry, Slidell, LA -- 12, Topic >Beth Kohl, Chicago, IL -- 14 >Peter Bauer, Rochester, NY -- 16 >Greg Sadosuk, Fairfax, VA -- Banner Tag >Chris White, New York, NY -- List owner/editor >Larry G. Hollister, Concord, CA -- RU List Name >Thomas Dolby, London, England -- Ambience >---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: one more book on the shelf... Elaine asked... > > Hey, Charles.. sounds a bit "Northern Exposure" ish. Are they similar? > Please, call me Chuck.... and...no. well, not really at least. They are similar in that both are small towns in Alaska. That is where the similarity ends. The End of the Road is a lot more realistic. There aren't any eskimo teenagers running around with classic movie after classic movie memorized. The only big city types are the couple that moved there to escape the city, so they aren't exactly pining for it. End of the Road is also a fishing town, so the Valdez spill plays prominently in one of the books, while Cicely is inland and has life pretty much going on as normal. About the besxt way to describe it is as a modern day Little House on the Prairie, with a little bit of Grumpy Old Men thrown in. > > On Sat, 30 May 1998, Charles E. Kemp wrote: > > the Road, Alaska. To the best of my knowledge, there are just two of > > these novels, _The End of the Road_ and _The Big Garage on Clear Shot_. > > Both books focus on the denizens of End of the Road, how they got there, > > what they are doing while they are there, and what everyone else in town > > thinks about them doing it. It's a terrific slice of small town life, ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:09:40 -0500 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Help save Robin's brain! On Wed, 27 May 1998 18:40:23 EDT, you wrote: >What are your favorite books, members of Alloy? Anything by Stephen R. Donaldson is worth reading. Start with the Thomas Covenant series, usually found in the fantasy area, and continue with the Gap Saga series. // Lee Jackson, Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. / 3D Realms Entertainment // http://bounce.to/ljackson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:14:32 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Dragons don't always In a message dated 6/1/98 1:23:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dalexander@juno.com writes: << After all, Barbara is one of the very few singers who has perfect pitch and a good voice to boot! >> Nothing personal against Barbra (or anyone else who has this ability) but 'perfect pitch' is useful for tuning instruments without having to use a tuning fork or pitch pipe, and it's great to show off as a party trick, but does not give any particular musical advantage. That is to say, I know LOTS of excellent professional musicians who do not have 'perfect pitch' (simply trained 'relative pitch' which is just as useful)... I've also met a few people who did indeed have 'perfect pitch', but were not musicians at all. I must take this opportunity to say that I finally saw the South Park episode where Robert Smith defeated Barbra in battle, and I got it on tape, too. Robert Smith cracked me up! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:48:03 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Eco! In a message dated 6/1/98 4:26:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk writes: << By far the best book I think I've ever read is 'Foucault's Pendulum' by Umberto Eco, more famous for 'The Name Of The Rose.' This work is even deeper than his previous efforts and really does achieve a spectacular level of resolution that will be with you for years afterwards. On a brain-saving level, it cannot be beaten. I've read it about 7 times now, and reckon to have only just received everything that it has to say - even my Grandad, who's Emeritus Professor of Romance Languages, was daunted at first!! I really do reccommend this one unreservedly. >> I did read Foucault's Pendulum a few years ago, in fact, and while there were aspects of it which I loved, I did have reservations... for one, I found Mr Eco's characterizations to be extremely flawed & underdeveloped. In particular, the female characters - while in some instances contributing key clues to the overall puzzle here & there - seemed primarily to exist as sounding boards for the male characters, whose monologues often went on for pages & pages, and left me wondering why their girlfriends hadn't nodded off or died of boredom waiting for their windbag companions to pause for a breath. Granted, I did only read it once, and was unfortunately rather too annoyed by this glitch in Eco's writing style to enjoy or take in all of what the story had to say (which happens to pertain to several topics of extremely great interest to me BTW) I think Eco really might have done better to have made Foucault's Pendulum into a series of books, perhaps with more 'experienced' history shown to the reader by expanding the scope of the story, rather than trying to cram every fact he could into the dialogue. BUT I must also say, Tim, I haven't run into anyone else in my circle of friends who was interested in attempting this book, though I tried to convince them, just to hear a different viewpoint. Knowing that you've read it seven times & love it so much makes me want to read it again now, & see if I can get over my little dialogue peevishness. I hope you don't mind my critique... good to finally get it off my chest though, and talk to someone else who is familiar with the story :) Thanks! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:58:09 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Don't toss that book! In a message dated 6/1/98 11:42:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, crackers@hwcn.org writes: << I had one really cheesy book from a sci-fi sexual adventures series. But I spilled a coke all over it and had to toss it (fortunately I had already read the book). >> For your future reference, a book needn't be thrown away just because it has endured a spill. When I was about ten years old, I threw up on my old hardbound copy of Alice in Wonderland while trying to read it in the back seat of the car on our way through hills & valleys, on a winding road (you can imagine). This book had been my father's... I was beside myself with grief thinking I'd ruined it... but he simply rinsed it clean with a mild detergent & stood it next to the window where it dried nicely. The pages were a little wavy after that but it was sort of all taken in stride. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:44:40 -0000 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: Wax Tracks Europa, Fragment vocal-that's a toughie! You're the first person outside of Tidewater who has even known what Fragment is to my knowledge. I don't know what your guess is but all I can hear is v-v-vowels? What do you think? Astronauts & Heretics on vinyl is quite a scarcity and if you know of any places that have a copy I'd greatly appreciate the info. I have resisted the technology change in recorded music as much as possible and still have many LPs in my collection-love that oversized cover art! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy CDs greatly but my affection still lies with vinyl. We still need contributions to the Dolbybilia file. My wife and I have talked about getting a scanner which might prove useful to send out some images. So why not have fun-right here! M.L. - -----Original Message----- From: Mary A. Brown To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:44 PM Subject: Alloy: Wax Tracks > >Hello Michael, >To answer your query: > > > By the way, does anyone know if Astronauts and Heretics was ever > > released on vinyl? > >Most certainly! One of the many lovely presents I got for >Christmas last year from my darling /\/\iles was an honest-to- >goodness LP of A&H. While I *do* own a turntable, I didn't >open it (one of the very few Dolby things I have that is >still in mint condition - why own things if you aren't going >to enjoy them, right?). And speaking of Dolby vinyl, Michael, >do you know what the hell is being spoken at the end of "Fragment"? >I have a guess but it makes no sense! > >With a nibble of Cube Creature Caviar, >Europa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:57:57 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Dragons don't always In a message dated 6/1/98 6:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RThurF@aol.com writes: << I must take this opportunity to say that I finally saw the South Park episode where Robert Smith defeated Barbra in battle, and I got it on tape, too. Robert Smith cracked me up! >> It was really no contest. Robert Smith could easily defeat Barbara in any form of combat, Hell, l bet Lassie could beat Babs in a best of 2 out of 3 freestyle wrestling match. And, to be honest, I have a tough time listening to singers who can't throw a punch. Barbara should bulk up I think. I'm sure she'd get a much broader audience if her show included, perhaps, a few moments of carnage here or there. Just some food for thought for those followers of the funny lady out there who are concerned about her career. - --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:16:29 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Top5 - 6/1/98 - Rejected Scientific Papers In a message dated 6/1/98 4:21:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com writes: << Abnormal Behavioral Models of Slacker Office-Publishing > Lackeys: Why it Took Me 5 Friggin' Days to Get This Paper Back > From Kinkos >> Did you know that in a study done in Buffalo NY by Psychologist Jason Osborne it was found that the Japanese Macaque learns simple tasks faster than many American consumers. Among Dr. Osborne's test subjects were over three hundred Kinko's customers. I kid you not. I worked at a Kinko's many years ago. On Saturday afternoon a customer placed an order to have her Thesis copied. It was a complex job. It was a complex Thesis. There was a line of customers out the door that she'd been waiting in. Her question -"Will that take any time?" She was a Physics student! A Master's candidate. So I ask you folks, do you see the joke? Do you know why I weep as I write this. Do you understand that the human race is doomed to wallow in its own stupidity until the god damn sun goes red giant and gives the solar system the enema it so desperatly needs?-Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:22:31 EDT From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Help save Robin's brain! I've tried to save Robin's Brain, but she's always getting my literary suggestions. I'd like to suggest to all of you folks out there who read to go buy something by Haruki Murakami. Yes he's Japanese, no he doesn't write about samuri or yakuza. He just writes about the way things are from his point of view. I suggest "The Wind Up Bird Chronicles". Every time I finish one of his books I go into Murakami withdrawl. Once I even bought a book by a different Murakami to take the edge off but it just didn't hit right. (in fact it turned out to be really stomache turning and depressing) - --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:42:11 +-1000 From: John Schofield Subject: Alloy: RE: Don't toss that book! Robin recently regurgitated the following: >When I was about ten years old, I threw up on my old >hardbound copy of Alice in Wonderland while trying to read it in the back seat >of the car... to which I say... now there is a book worth re-reading numerous times - a personal favourite of mine. John. (john@police.tas.gov.au) This message powered by 'Pop Goes the World' - Men Without Hats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:14:54 -0400 From: "D'Arcy Jerome Salzmann" Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V3 #143 Hello all, I am delurking for a moment to pen a note to you (ironic isn't it, I haven't actually penned a note in a long time) to suggest a little tangent for us. I am dating this wondrous Tasmanian woman I met on a flight to Istanbul last year who now lives in London. This evening we spoke on the phone while I had The Church's _Starfish_ CD playing. I induced a fantastical bit of homesickness into my beautiful friend, and as we were talking I began to sift my collection for other Australian music. There, hidden amongst the blues, the 80s europop, the acid jazz and Pat Methany discs were a wealth of 80s antipodean records. But I've lost touch with the new music scene there as my life's gotten busier. I propose we all take inventory of our national music gold and provide some introductions for each other on what's happening in our individual corners of this flat earth. In Canada (and cracker's may take me to task here) there a several really "Canadian" bands who for me capture some of the uniqueness of where I am from. I've excluded smaller indie bands which don't have followings outside their home cities in effort to suggest bands which have a Canadian ethic, which induce a latent national pride in Canadians. From these bands I can offer you a bit of the Canada you might not know, but which you can capture in the moments of their music. I feel like I've touched a bit of Australia through The Church (_Starfish_ and _Gold Afternoon Fix_), the Eurogliders, Real Life ( _Send me an Angel_), Men at Work (especially _Cargo_). I've got Swedish pop (Fra Lippo Lippi), American heartland country-rock (the Jayhawks, Wilco), Boston's Ronnie Earl and the Broadcasters, London organic trip-hoppers Nightmares on Wax and The Ballistic Brothers, Sudan's Youssou N'dour. But I am hungry for more. Canadian bands like The Tragically Hip (start from the beginning, with _Last American Exit_ (a reference to all the highway driving Canadians must do to travel from place to place; follow with _Up to Here_ their first breakthrough album, continue with _Road Apples_ (slang for the horse shit on the roads in small farming towns). Blue Rodeo, who've captured a lot of what being small-town Canadiana is about in _Casino_, _Outskirts_, and follow with their best album, _Five days in July_. There are many others too. Newfoundland's Thomas Trio and the Red Albino, Vancouver's Sarah McLaughlin, guitarist Colin James, Southern Ontario's now-defunct Lowest of the Low, which could accompany a film like London kills me (by Hanif something or other), granddaddy of native blues Robbie Robertson (a mixed-blood Indian from Manitoba). Like our inventory of books recently, I am really keen to know what you listen to when you are homesick, or want to touch ground. And, for the wonderful Mary Brown, thanks for the email. I caught myself as I was writing this note reminded of how cool our on-line connection is. You're all a good crew to be with. Otto, the palindromic lurker. This message powered by The Church's "North, South, East, West" from Starfish. --From a wolf to a lamb with just half a gram. Restore your lost soul for two dollars plus toll-- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- D'Arcy J. Salzmann Toronto, Ontario, Canada darcy@salzmann.com - -----Original Message----- From: alloy-digest [SMTP:owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 1:25 AM To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #143 ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #144 ***************************