From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #73 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, March 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: B-Day tape mechanism ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Looks like JAMac is back :-) (etc.) [Beth Meyer ] Alloy: Lee meets TD ["Charles E. Kemp" ] Alloy: Let it be known... [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Lee meets TD [ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson)] Re: Alloy: The Conference! [ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:06:24 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: B-Day tape mechanism CJMark continues: > Regarding the birthday tape.. It would give me great pleasure to > contribute a song. Even though I've only got half an idea as to > how it all works.. Pick a Dolby song you're comfortable with that dibs has not already been called on, get it recorded by September 1st or so. Send it in to be included with the others. Dolby's birthday is 10/14. We need Crackers to again post the current Dibs List so you can see what has been taken this year. Additionally, and if you have the available energy to do so, you may submit an original song too. We'd love to have your participation! Take care, Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:16:21 +0000 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: The 40's v. GenX Robin wrote: >Personally I hate labels but find it amusing that the media are so dependent >on them, to the point of gross inaccuracy. Okay, this is not the first time that 'the media' has been criticized willy-nilly on Alloy. As a member of 'the media' I'd just like to point out that 'the media' as a label is a lazy and often grossly innaccurate way to refer to a wide variety of people and professions, some good, some bad. So there. Lem (sensationalizing journo-from-hell) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:43:10 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Alloy: Looks like JAMac is back :-) (etc.) Hi, folks; Well, JAMac, glad to see you were able to get back online and caught up on things! (Now let's see if I can...) >>There was a meeting of three Alloyites tonight at the Wynkoop(eee) in >>Denver. JAMac and myself had the pleasure of having dinner with Beth >>Meyer here in Denver. She was in the area for an interview. A good time >>was had by all and no illusions were broken (that I'm aware of). Beth >>shared some great mountain climbing photos with us. > >It was actually kind of nice to meet Beth. She's not quite what I >expected. I thought that she was more laid back, the type who just >watches and deciphers who you really are. Maybe it was the psychologist >thing that took me that way. But she was really energetic, driven! She >probably did most of the talking but that's because Keith and I are a >little bit reserved in nature. Yet, she didn't control or drown us at >all! I thought she was great. Now, I see her emails in a slightly >different light, and I actually enjoy them more. I would love to meet >every one here, eventually! Goodness, thanks! I also enjoyed the get-together immensely, and would highly recommend the experience of traveling to Denver and meeting Keith and JAMac to the rest of the Alloyites. Of course, it seems that lately, I've been on a mission to meet every one here, having met: Europa, /\/\iles, Brian, Melissa, Robin & Dave T., Keith, and JAMac. And each visit was delightful, each in its own way. I feel really fortunate to have had these opportunities! By the way, JAMac, I was probably a little more hyper than usual Thursday night, given my excitement about the whole situation (new place, new people, potential new job). I don't normally have a decision-making crisis while ordering a beer.... :-) Cheers, Beth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:53:16 +-1100 From: John Schofield Subject: FW: Alloy: Looks like JAMac is back :-) (etc.) Beth said: >Of course, it seems that lately, I've been on a mission to meet every one here, having met: >Europa, /\/\iles, Brian, Melissa, Robin & Dave T., Keith, and JAMac. And each >visit was delightful, each in its own way. I feel really fortunate to have >had these opportunities! When are you coming down to Tassie (that's Tasmania, Australia) ? John (john@police.tas.gov.au) This message powered by "Boom, Boom, Boom" (I haven't been able to stop humming it ever since Mark piped up). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:27:15 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: The 40's v. GenX At 10:16 17/03/98 +0000, Croydon wrote: > >Okay, this is not the first time that 'the media' has been criticized >willy-nilly on Alloy. As a member of 'the media' I'd just like to point out >that 'the media' as a label is a lazy and often grossly innaccurate way to >refer to a wide variety of people and professions, some good, some bad. So >there. > >Lem (sensationalizing journo-from-hell) > YAAAAAH, you're only saying that because you're one of THEM!!!! Why, *I* might as well complain that civil servants are criticised unfairly for being mindless bureaucrats who sit around drinking Earl Grey tea all day, generating red tape and generally making a cock-up of the programs they're supposed to be administering for the public good, while barrowing away their inflation proof salaries in their jobs for life, until they qualify for their index linked pensions ........ er, I think I might be digging myself into a corner or painting myself into a hole here. IthinkI'dbettershutuprightnow. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:27:12 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: The 40's v. GenX At 20:40 16/03/98 EST, Robin wrote: > >The 40's rep can't possibly be as bad as the GenX rep, which is what I happen >to be lumped in with, lucky me. Even though, from what I can tell, most people >in my age group are very different from the media's depiction of us. >Personally I hate labels but find it amusing that the media are so dependent >on them, to the point of gross inaccuracy. > Well, I supposed we can all be pigeon-holed one way or another, even if we're the only one in a particular pigeon-hole. Dog knows which one(s) I'm in. >I didn't mean to depress you Slarv! > Oh, you didn't. I was depressed already. >My interest is still piqued about that 'thing or two' you hinted at initially >(!!) and it brought to mind a major crush I once had on my over-forty History >of Architecture professor from England several years ago when I was at college >- he had travelled the world, spoke fluent French and Russian, and used to dim >the lecture hall lights & show slides of romantic far-away places, telling us >fantastic stories of the history associated with the buildings there... a >combination made all the more knee-weakening for me because I think he liked >my mohawk ;) I didn't stand a chance against his onslaught of expertise, I >tell you! > There you are then, HE knew how to dazzle a young lady, and I bet it wasn't just your Mohawk he took a liking to. But might it just possibly be the attraction of the unattainable that bedazzled you? Plus, perhaps, because he was English (what kind of accent did he have?). There's sometimes something exotic about foreigners that makes them attractive when they would be nothing out of the ordinary in their native land. Omar Sharif for example. A dodgy old foreigner who has to beat the ladies off with a stick, though I understand he doesn't try TOO hard. But getting back to the 'thing or two.' We slightly more mature chaps (I'm trying to be kind to myself here) perhaps have a different attitude to romance and relationships. Perhaps it's our maturity itself, or maybe because we know that a different approach to a lady, than that of less experienced men, will be sufficiently contrasting to make it more interesting. I could also mention certain, shall we say 'techniques' that young men have not learned but that some more experienced gents are supposed to know about, or so I have read in the media (sorry Croydon/Lem but it's true, I read it in some of my son's magazines). It could be any, all, or none of these factors, but there are certainly enough old fools making idiots of themselves with women young enough to be their daughters to demonstrate that there is SOME sort of attraction. Or maybe it's just the old fools with money. That rules ME out then. Slarvi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:09:08 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: FW: Alloy: Looks like JAMac is back :-) (etc.) John said: >When are you coming down to Tassie (that's Tasmania, Australia) ? 1. When someone there wants to hire me and is willing to pay to fly me there. Failing that, then 2. When I get a fabulous job with a fabulous salary that allows me to take fabulous vacations. (Though after the Beth Meyer '97-'98 Job Interview Tour, it would feel strange to meet an Alloyite and NOT have an interview the next day!) Back to that dissertation now, Beth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:54 -0600 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: The Conference! On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:12:49 EST, you wrote: >Lee, when you get settled, can you tell us all about the Texas one? Will do - I've just settled, although the dust is still drifting about a bit. It's been a busy time around here. Let me set things up a bit first. The conference in question is the SXSW Interactive conference, held from March 15-18 in Austin, TX, at the Austin Convention Center. Thomas's presentation, titled "Promote Your Music on the Web," was given on Sunday, March 15, from 3:30pm to 5:00pm before an almost full room (only two or three empty seats). According to the information I received, Thomas arrived at the centre straight from the airport, and returned to the airport almost immediately after he was finished. I guess he's had his own busy time lately. Thomas arrived during the last half of the panel that preceded his own. The panel was discussing Streaming Audio Technology, and after Thomas' arrival, a few Beatnik references could be heard from the panelists. After the panel finished, Thomas spent a while setting things up, hooking his notebook into the video projector, and double-checking web links for his presentation. The main idea of the presentation concerned how you, as a musician/performer/composer/etc., could use the web and the technology surrounding it to promote your own music. Thomas discussed a wide range of strategies as well, and had some rather interesting remarks on the subject of the ethics of web search engine companies and anal sex (yes, you read it right). It would be impossible to cover everything that was discussed, so I'll leave that for Thomas to post here or on his web site. During the discussion, Thomas presented a demo of Beatnik. He admitted that it was not his intention to turn his session into a typical product demonstration, but when you're the CEO of a company like Headspace, it's hard to keep from showing off a little bit. He had some good news for the PC users among us who have wanted to get into RMF authoring: check back on the Beatnik site in a couple of months. Hopefully, by that time, a PC version of the Beatnik editor will be available. He also mentioned that some web site construction tools, including NetObjects Fusion, were now including direct support for RMF files (he wore a beret customized with the NetObjects logo to reinforce the point). But, I digress. The demo highlighted some of the things we have discussed here on the list, including the MoodMaker. Unfortunately, Thomas was cursed with being the last user of the room's PC for the day, and for some reason he kept encountering javascript errors when he tried to load links that were working before the session started. Still, he was able to show enough to make the demo very interesting indeed. Towards the end of the session, he mentioned mailing lists as a possible way of promoting music on the web, saying that they were great ways to keep in touch with the fans. Interestingly enough, he said that some record companies who post web sites for their bands do not let the bands have access to the subscriber lists of the bands' own mailing lists. He explained that this was most likely done out of the fear that the bands would have too much bargaining power if they could document how large their followings were. After the session was over, Thomas stayed and spoke with quite a few audience members, myself included. For me, this is where the simultaneous fun and terror began. (Can you sense a change of tone here? ) === The First Meeting from Hell! === There were several people in front of me, so I stood by, waiting my turn, calmly gathering my thoughts and getting together the CDs of Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukem 3D, and Stargunner that I'd brought for him. Finally, the last person in front of me left, so I walked to the stage and quite promptly had every bit of calmness sent straight to hell when he looked me straight in the eye, extended his hand, and said, "Hello, Lee!" I mean, here's a person who I've followed since the early days of MTV (having seen both Europa and Radio Silence played on the regular rotation), bought concert tickets for my wife an myself to see, tracked down CDs of, and list as one of my biggest musical influences. I finally get a chance to meet him, and *he* recognizes who **I** am. Thanks a smegging ton, Thomas. He admitted that he didn't recognize me by sight, but he recognized the name on my badge. Still, that was enough of a shock as far as my psyche was concerned. I'm afraid that just about every ounce of professionalism that I wanted to bring into the meeting drained away from me in a millisecond. Instead of coming across as a fellow professional who was extremely glad to meet someone whose work he has admired and studied for years, I temporarily turned into a non-thinking mass of Jell-O. I tried to get the CDs I'd brought out of the bag, while thanking him for coming on behalf of Alloy. I managed to half-way get the "thank you" out while he was still in the process of saying how he recognized me, and I wound up struggling with the CDs to the point of practically shoving them at him once I finally got them out of the bag. Embarassing? Yes. It didn't end there, though, and thankfully, it didn't continue to be embarassing. I remembered to ask him the question I had, concerning Cakewalk Pro Audio and the RMF format, and I managed to get it out intelligibly. He answered it, I thanked him, I shook his hand again, and I tried to exit the meeting in a more graceful manner than I had started it. When all is said and done, I still hope to meet him again. I'd like a chance to prove that I'm capable of acting like something other than a blithering, groupie-ish, tongue-dragging idiot. // Lee Jackson (ljackson@nstar.net) // Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. & 3D Realms Entertainment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:58:52 EST From: CJ Mark Subject: Re: FW: Alloy: Looks like JAMac is back :-) (etc.) Hey John.. Sorry about that.. Try thinking of the Spice Girls.. it might take that Booming out of your head! Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:09:20 EST From: CJ Mark Subject: Re: Alloy: The Conference! Hey Lee.. Thanks for the update on the conference.. It sounds like we all missed a great chance to meet and talk with Mr. D. What an exciting moment that must have been.. As much as your recounting of your meeting was humorous.. I can certainly understand your preparations slipping so suddenly from your mouth when TMDR called you by name. That must have been a bomb! Thanks again for telling us! Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:26:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Alloy: Lee meets TD Yet another thanks for recounting your story, Lee...quite funny. But I guess since he didn't recognize you by sight that He hasn't visited the photo gallery page at Paul's net abode. :) BTW...I love the packaging for Shadow Warrior...it takes guts for the top line of your box to read "Who wants some Wang?" ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:36:11 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Let it be known... Let it be known from this moment on that if I hear one more Plastic Paddy ask me to play "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" or "Danny Boy" I'll be giving him a good swift boot to his knackers. I've gotten through a marathon session of St. Patrick's Day gigs playing from 2:30 until 11:00 almost non stop for a mear pittance of pay. I am sick to death of "Black Velvet Band" and "The Unicorn" and just about ever other damn Irish Rovers song. But on a plus side, this year the crowd actually liked us! I guess it's because we wern't playing in a real Irish pub. usually we end up playing in an orange-man's pub and end up pissing the off right royal by playing a green song, or vice versa (I've tried to explain to Liz many times that there are certain irish songs you can't play infront of certain irishmen unless you want to be carried out of the bar, but she just doesn't get it.) Infact, one of the very first gigs I ever played with Liz we damn near had our asses kicked for playing some green songs. Our set was greatly shortened, we were paid and then told never to grace that pub with our presence again. Wich was all well and good as far as I was concerned. But tonight they loved us and we didn't piss a single person off... except this one drunk guy who kept yelling out "Play Danny Boy!!!" (And even he was obliged at the end of the night when I sang it for him as we were packing up out gear). CRACKERS (Exhausted from hell!!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:49 -0600 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Lee meets TD On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:26:23 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Yet another thanks for recounting your story, Lee...quite funny. In retrospect, yes. It wasn't at the time, but once I got finished kicking myself in my Cartman-sized butt, I was able to laugh at it. >BTW...I love the packaging for Shadow Warrior...it takes guts for the top >line of your box to read "Who wants some Wang?" Play track 14 on the CD and you'll get all the Wang you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:00:33 -0600 From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: The Conference! On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:09:20 EST, you wrote: >I can certainly understand your preparations slipping so suddenly from >your mouth when TMDR called you by name. That must have been a bomb! I felt like Elmer Fudd in the old cartoon where Bugs Bunny dresses up as Groucho Marx. Instead of "You Bet Your Life," the show was "You Beat Your Wife" (completely politically incorrect nowadays, but apparently not so back then). The conversation goes... Bugs/Groucho: "So, when did you stop beating your wife?" Elmer: "I didn't! I mean...er...I haven't...er..." I now sympathize. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #73 **************************