From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V3 #65 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, March 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: False Alarm on TV Alert... [p.louie1@genie.geis.com] Re: Alloy: copse's brother's book [Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk] Re[2]: Alloy: Yes [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Alloy: "My Generation" ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccm] Alloy: Terry Jackson [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] Re: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word [Compass Rose ] Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes [IT Admin - Govt Office North West ] Alloy: Re: census [JARUTLAND ] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V3 #64 [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: Re: census [RThurF ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 06:19:00 GMT From: p.louie1@genie.geis.com Subject: Alloy: False Alarm on TV Alert... Sorry about the big alert! Well, I watched the new quiz show "My Generation" on VH1 all day today to find no TMDR. (ok, except he was the answer to one quiz question...) The quiz show basically pits four people (two per team) from two different decades against each other on the knowledge of the music year they represent. (such as 1983 vs 1991) Each team can answer the first question (the "A" side) by buzzing in. The team that answers correctly can answer the next question (the "B" side) without buzzing in or move to another category. There are five categories with two subcategories - one for each of the team's represented year. Since this show is going to be on weeknights at 8pm, I guess we will just have to watch the forthcoming episodes and wait. - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:19:19 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: copse's brother's book I don't think it will be officially released over there, but I'll gladly send you a copy in September. Although poetry is one of those things to which I'm not finely attuned, even a layman's eye can tell it's way above average, and OUP have been keeping their eye on him for a couple of years now. At the moment they're trying to get him into Cosmo as one of those "50 most eligible bachelors" just for a laugh... Seriously though I think there'll be quite a splash when it comes out, and his looks won't do him any harm either. the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:45:47 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes - --IMA.Boundary.371434988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Through it ? Are you sure you have got the right one, because the railway tunnel closed in 1980, and the track was lifted in 1985/6. There is a link here with how I discovered TMDR. MTCBWY John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Alloy: Yes Author: IT Admin - Govt Office North West at Internet Date: 06/03/98 23:25 At 10:17 06/03/98 -0600, John wrote: > PS anyone ever heard of the Woodhead Tunnel ?? > Heard of it? I've been through it often enough travelling to our HQ in Sheffield. Or was there also a band with that name? Slarv - --IMA.Boundary.371434988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns2.baxter.com (159.198.1.38) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00348A26; Fri, 6 Mar 98 17:28:24 - -0600 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA18972 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:40:54 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yB6jV-0002pY-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:40:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA27910; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:34:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id SAA27823 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (ginas.gtnet.gov.uk [195.44.96.1]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id SAA27819 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from d16.gtnet.gov.uk (d16 [195.44.98.16]) by ginas.gtnet.gov.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA00442 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:25:17 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:25:17 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980306233419.224f0b64@mail> X-Sender: az36@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alloy@smoe.org From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Alloy: Yes Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.371434988-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:03:10 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: "My Generation" Mr. Louie intoned: > Sorry about the big alert! Hey, don't sweat it Phil. Your diligence is appreciated. > Since this show is going to be on weeknights at 8pm, I guess we > will just have to watch the forthcoming episodes and wait. Well, if his appearance is to be on "My Generation", which seems likely, then Mary and I shall have to miss it as we only get VH1 in the morning and afternoon. I have written to VH1 to ascertain if this is indeed the show Thomas taped for them earlier this year, and if so, when the episode will be aired. I'll post the Alloyed any useful answer I receive. Regretfully, /\/\iles the |-|eretic - ------------>>> this message powered by adenosine triphosphate and caffeine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:34:06 +0000 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: It's ...what a friend does Beth wrote: >Engineering psychology is my area, which is the branch of experimental >psychology that looks at how people learn skills and do tasks, including >issues of motor control and perception. Amazingly, I have a friend who works in pretty much this area. Dr Sophie Furneaux at Sussex Uni in England, currently doing post-doc following her D.Phil. Her postgrad work was an investigation of how patterns of visual observation change as people acquire skills - and in particular how eye-movements change as people learn to play a musical instrument and try to read the music. She was using this amazing headset-thing that uses a half-silvered mirror so that it can simultaneously film your eyeballs as well as your field of vision - so that a computer can work out what you were looking at when. It was really fascinating stuff. BTW, I have now confirmed that I shall be taking a balloon trip over Budapest on Thursday - the nearest I could get to a blimp. I plan to take photos and submit them as my effort for Robin's B-Day album. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:24:59 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: It's ...what a friend does Hi, folks; Lem wrote: >Amazingly, I have a friend who works in pretty much this area. Dr Sophie >Furneaux at Sussex Uni in England, currently doing post-doc following her >D.Phil. Her postgrad work was an investigation of how patterns of visual >observation change as people acquire skills - and in particular how >eye-movements change as people learn to play a musical instrument and try >to read the music. She was using this amazing headset-thing that uses a >half-silvered mirror so that it can simultaneously film your eyeballs as >well as your field of vision - so that a computer can work out what you >were looking at when. It was really fascinating stuff. Wow -- it is. I've printed off a page from the Sussex Uni web site describing her results to give to a fellow student in my program, who is studying piano expertise and aging for her dissertation. I think my colleague will probably want to cite Dr. Furneaux's work, once she knows it's out there. Thanks -- maybe this interchange will be featured in the 27th series of James Burke's "Connections".... :-) - -Beth P.S. This message powered by Rasputina's "Howard Hughes." And the 10K I ran in the pouring rain this weekend was powered by Happy Rhodes' "Flight." (Thanks for the music, Robin and Dave and Mark!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:31:35 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: music/art - --IMA.Boundary.789254988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Chacun =E0 son truc.... = WOW ! I provoked a reaction... generally I don't like film music, bu= t = in my collection I do have Yareds' soundtrack of 37,2=B0 Le Matin, = mostly because I love the film, and I bought the soundtrack purely t= o = have an audio copy of "C'est Le Vent, Betty", (the bit where Betty &= = Zorg / Dalle & Anglade duet on piano). = = What sounds good in the context of a movie generally sounds naff on = it's own (witness "Lisa Rock" from the same movie). = Flawed... no masterpeice is ever perfect. = I'm not an artist (piss artist perhaps) so I don't really appreciate= = art in a way that someone from an artistic background does. I only = know what I like & don't like - = = Eno once recorded a disk called "Music for Airports" - together with= = elevators that's the best place for ambient music. In my opinion. = Hope I've not upset anyone - this is a friendly circle - but as I = said, chacun =E0 son truc. = MTCBWY = = John ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________= _______ Subject: Re: Alloy: music/art Author: RThurF at Internet Date: 06/03/98 21:42 = John wrote: << I've read elsewhere that some people wish that TMDR would go back to = the recording studio. I do, and at the same time, I don't. I am of = the = "quit while you're winning" school, and a part of me feels that if = he = did go back, then he might struggle to recapture the freshness and = originality of Science, Hyperactive, Pulp Culture and Cigar; instea= d = he might carry on with bland stuff like "The Beauty of a Dream". = >> = The tastes of any artist do tend to change as the years progress (recall = Jackson Pollock's delicately detailed landscapes from his early days, bef= ore = he started up with the "drip 'n' drool" school) I couldn't imagine Dolby = trying to deliberately recapture anything, based on the variety we've alr= eady = seen in his work - he seems only too eager to test out new ground. Nor co= uld I = imagine a 'quit while you're winning' mentality on his part anyway - does= n't = seem like the type of man who would shy away from a challenge... = << TMDR has made three mighty albums, A & H is a flawed masterpiece too,= = and that would be hard to follow. As for making ambient music, or = computer generated music, I don't want to know. Strikes me as being= a = bit nerdish. >> = Errrr... you see I have this thing for film soundtracks (if that's what y= ou = mean by ambient music) The Gate and Gothic are among my all-time favorite= s. Or = do you mean that stuff that comes out of the computer? I've been putting = forth = my most earnest requests to my favorite web site so they'll have music fo= r = their visitors. I guess I don't understand where the nerdy part comes in.= =2E.? = And what flaw do you detect in A&H? I don't mean to grill you, I'm just = curious! = As far as computer-generated music, I can compare it to fine arts: Polloc= k's = work. I *do* like 'drooly' Pollock very much - it's wildly rhythmic/well = balanced and sound. If he hadn't had his fine arts background, though, he= = could never have accomplished this excellent & expressive later work. Peo= ple = who just pick up a brush & start flinging paint on the canvas in an attem= pt to = imitate this style succeed only, as the saying goes, in spoiling a perfec= tly = good canvas...the same sort of thing applies to computer-generated music = & the = unskilled masses who try to do it because they have no actual talent musi= cally = & think it will be 'easy'. It seems to me you really have to know what yo= u're = doing if you're going to do something really worthwhile, which is of cour= se = where Thomas so exquisitely fits in = = Robin = - --IMA.Boundary.789254988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com (159.198.180.56) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00348FE9; Fri, 6 Mar 98 22:34:37 - -0600 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA04275 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:04:52 - -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yB9r3-0006NZ-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:00:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id VAA29583; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id VAA29500 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.155]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id VAA29496 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from RThurF@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id FNGPa29097 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF Message-ID: <201179fa.3500b40d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:42:18 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alloy: music/art Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.789254988-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:50:39 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes Hi, folks; John_Hanson (hmm, any relation to those tuneful tots?) wrote: > Through it ? Are you sure you have got the right one, because the > railway tunnel closed in 1980, and the track was lifted in 1985/6. > > There is a link here with how I discovered TMDR. OK, John, out with it, s'il vous plait. The suspense is killing us. ;-) How did you discover TMDR? By the way, while I've got Hansons on the brain, I thought you folks might appreciate the following, given our recent discussions of pop music. Some music news web site came up with a funny list of predicted music headlines for 1998. One went like this: ELDEST HANSON DROPPED FROM BAND Considers joining Wu-Tang Clan; Replacement to be conceived next week Cheers, Beth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Meyer School of Psychology Pager: +1-404-866-1362 Georgia Institute of Technology FAX: +1-404-894-8905 274 5th St. gt9020a@prism.gatech.edu -or- Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 bmeyer@psy.psych.gatech.edu http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt9020a/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:55:08 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word FRENCH POP MUSIC IS TOTALLY CACK. Yours irately John PS MTCBWY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:59:41 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Terry Jackson Hello all Could anyone please relate the Terry Jackson story to me ? Thanks in advance John PS No more merciless slagging off of French music, promise. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:58:07 -0500 From: Compass Rose Subject: Re: Alloy: French music is cack: the Ultimate word John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > > FRENCH POP MUSIC IS TOTALLY CACK. I don't know what "cack" means in the yelled sentence above. I have some good ideas, but I love learning new (to me) slang... Anyway, I have the impression that, if you replaced "French" with "Russian," you'd have my view of the world. > PS MTCBWY Nor do I know what the MTCBWY acronym means here. Please share with those of us who are passive-vocabulary and acronym-impaired. - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 12:36:13 -0800 From: mary@headspace.com (Mary Coller) Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V3 #64 Hello Alloy list, Here are some dates of interest for you...Thomas will be part of the Internet World this week from Los Angeles on Wednesday and Thursday at the Intel Booth. I believe it is $25 to get into the exhibits portion of the conference. Thomas will also be doing a presentation on how to 'sonify your web site' using Headspace technology at South by Southwest music conference in Austin, Texas on March 15. Cost is $225 for the 'interactive' part of the conference. In regards to the 'My Generation' game show on VH-1, I have spoken with the VP of programming and they are saving the celebrity shows for May. No date announced yet. I'll let you know! Best, Mary Coller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:06:23 -0500 From: Compass Rose Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V3 #64 Thank you, Mary, for giving us that scoop! It really is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:17:49 GMT From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: Yes At 09:45 09/03/98 -0600, John Hanson wrote: > > Through it ? Are you sure you have got the right one, because the > railway tunnel closed in 1980, and the track was lifted in 1985/6. > > There is a link here with how I discovered TMDR. > > MTCBWY > > John > > Good grief. That explains why it looked so delapidated. I have to admit, I don't know WHAT tunnel the train now goes through, only that it DOES go through one, and it's ever-so-long and ever-so-dark. This admission is a real embarrassment to an ex-ferro-equinologist, who really should know more about such things. So go on then :- 1. What tunnel is it the train now goes through? 2. What Woodhead Tunnel were you referring to? I think we should be told. Slarvibarglhee (Bo-Bo) [it's a train spotter joke] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:44:22 -0500 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest Wahoo! Glad we're finally getting some info! > Here are some dates of interest for you...Thomas will be part of > the Internet World this week from Los Angeles on Wednesday and > Thursday at the Intel Booth. I believe it is $25 to get into the > exhibits portion of the conference. If any of the Alloy folks are considering going to this but don't want to pay the $25, I cut out a coupon from todays SF Examiner which will allow you to get in free. Email me at Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com and I'll send it off to you pronto! And as a suggestion to Robin and Paul about the birthday tape, you might want to consider covering something from a soundtrack as I've decided to do since I figured folks would be less offended if I made a total mess of it and perhaps it will be new to others. I'm sure you could you'd do a wonderful job with any of the pieces from Gothic, Robin. Just a thought... Europa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:09:31 EST From: JARUTLAND Subject: Alloy: Re: census O.K., I may sound like a politician, but my favorite TMDR work is done by putting all of the CD's into a multi-disk CD player, hitting the ol' random button, kicking off my shoes, dimming the lights, and getting a glass of ______ (fill in the blank with your favorite). See, I answered the question without answering the question. How political... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:19:25 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V3 #64 In a message dated 98-03-09 15:34:04 EST, Mary@Headspace wrote: << In regards to the 'My Generation' game show on VH-1, I have spoken with the VP of programming and they are saving the celebrity shows for May. No date announced yet. I'll let you know! >> Thank you so much for posting this information! I'm really glad I didn't miss it yesterday after all. Our cable hookup is officially poised and ready as of this afternoon. The airing of Thomas' show will give me even more to look forward to in May, along with a whole week off from work with Dave, and then on the 23rd of that month it's my birthday (the big 3-0!) I'm very sorry to have to miss both conferences though. It would be wonderful if Thomas should ever have a speaking engagement in Boston :) For now I'll have to sit & wonder what goes on at one of these conferences, I've never been to one but it soounds like I might learn a lot by attending one. Maybe one day I'll luck out & be visiting my friends in LA at just the right time some day - who knows? Thanks again Mary! Robin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:23:08 EST From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: census In a message dated 98-03-09 23:20:09 EST, Andy wrote: << my favorite TMDR work is done by putting all of the CD's into a multi-disk CD player, hitting the ol' random button, kicking off my shoes, dimming the lights, and getting a glass of ______ (fill in the blank with your favorite) >> Andy, you sound like my kind of guy! The random button on our cd multi-disc player plays the same three songs again and again (it's possessed) ... but I like the concept anyway. Robin :) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V3 #65 **************************