From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #267 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, November 28 1997 Volume 02 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. [dalexander] Re: Alloy: Another magazine sighting [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alex] Re: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. [DThur] Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: T-shirts are ordered! [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Another magazine sighting [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. [DThur] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:45:58 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. Boy, Dave. You sure came out of the woodwork latelty. Good to hear from you! >Yup and that's why people have a responsibility to educate themselves and >their children and stop expecting schools to do it for them. School is a I agree with every word you said on this, however, you have to be realistic. Nobody wants to bother with educating themselves. For some stupid reason, they would rather be stupid and miserable. I once heard that "No one goes broke in America from a lack of opportunity. They go broke from a lack of trying." That same person also very strongly pushed the 'concept' (for some) of reading, learning something every day. Taking life as an adventure not some destination. Learn, learn, learn! So my challenging question is; How do you get people to realize the benefit of educating themselves and trying for a better tommorrow when they don't care. Better yet; Why bother with the masses of people who don't care about their future? Just work on your own and help anyone else who also wants a better future as well. JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:05:41 -0700 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Re: Alloy: Another magazine sighting Lee Jackson wrote: >Headspace, and notably TMDR, are in yet another magazine. This time, it's >on pp. 36-38 of the December '97 issue of Recording. Hit your favorite specialty >newsstand and enjoy. > >// Lee Jackson (ljackson@nstar.net) >// Music and Sound Director >// Apogee Software, Ltd. & 3D Realms Entertainment Um . . . yep. I believe that's the article I mentioned a couple of days ago. Sorry to steal your light. JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. In a message dated 11/27/97 4:46:45 AM, you wrote: <> I used to only get the digest version of alloy, but conversation has been particularly intersting latly, and I've had a little time, so I subscribed to the regular mailing list. Thus here I am for the moment. << Nobody wants to bother with educating themselves. For some stupid reason, they would rather be stupid and miserable.>> They might well not be miserable at all. They may be happily watching baywatch and making babies. <> Well, I don't think education is the right future for everybody. Its right for me, and many of my friends. I think people naturally try for a better tomorrow already, education or no. The better tomorrow definition varies. For some a better tomorrow means the Yankees win the penant. Others think a better tomorrow means a great healthcare system and safe streets while a few would say no health care system and no streets. So the masses of people do indeed care about their future. They care if they are getting what they need. They care about their children, and their home and their families and about making sure they survive. The only common denominator in all of this future caring business is that people all want to survive and be happy. All education does is give people more tools to work with. If you have a tool though you need the wisdom to know when and when not to use it. Wisdom isn't taught well at all in the western world. Not by any facet of society parents, religion, or formal schooling. I think a person who seeks self education is ussually on a path to wisdom as well. So if we encourage a wiser society first, before we encouraged a society wull of people with the ability to develope whatever type of tool they desire we might survive better. Currently though I think a person has to begin to develope wisdom either at an early age or through some personal event then go from there. I don't see any real crack for a more organized form of teaching wisdom to enter society. Well there ya have it.... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:18:55 -0800 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. Dennis S. Alexander wrote: > > Boy, Dave. You sure came out of the woodwork latelty. Good to hear from > you! > > >Yup and that's why people have a responsibility to educate themselves > and > >their children and stop expecting schools to do it for them. School is > a > > I agree with every word you said on this, however, you have to be > realistic. Nobody wants to bother with educating themselves. For some > stupid reason, they would rather be stupid and miserable. > > I once heard that "No one goes broke in America from a lack of > opportunity. They go broke from a lack of trying." That same person > also very strongly pushed the 'concept' (for some) of reading, learning > something every day. Taking life as an adventure not some destination. > Learn, learn, learn! > > So my challenging question is; How do you get people to realize the > benefit of educating themselves and trying for a better tommorrow when > they don't care. Better yet; Why bother with the masses of people who > don't care about their future? Just work on your own and help anyone > else who also wants a better future as well. It's so simple, I've seen it happen time and time again. Any child in a healthy, free environment will learn, will in fact love learning. I know there are plenty of parents who don't care, and I don't think anyone has a good solution for that. But if more of the parents who did care knew that they could take their kids out of school, it'd be a step in the right direction. Desire to learn is natural, everyone is born with it.. it's just usually crushed in our society, primarily by the schooling system. Certainly many adults don't want to bother with educating themselves, because of the system they've been through, but children...! Actually, I've seen quite a few adults come around when they have/spend time with healthy kids. As you were saying about the government wanting an ignorant population--the current school system was indeed designed during the industrial era, for the explicit purpose of making mindless factory workers. Anyone here heard of John Holt? -- E(lipse (see http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2082/education.html for more of my aimless babble on this topic) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:14:02 -0500 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Alloy: Laurie Anderson's Show On Sun, Nov 23, 1997 at 04:10:46PM -0500, RThurF@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, did you ever manage to get tickets? If you were there, I was the one > who laughed REALLY LOUDLY in that microsecond of silence after Laurie said: > "Would you like another pop tart?" Nope, I wasn't there...I had another show to go to (I don't remember which now, though...). She is pretty amazing, though! - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirts are ordered! In a message dated 11/26/97 7:47:09 AM, Miles wrote: <> Thank you Miles !!!! :) Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Another magazine sighting In a message dated 11/26/97 1:50:02 AM, Lee Jackson wrote: <> Thanks for keeping us informed! I personally appreciate any and all help finding such articles. Lately, I find myself eying the computer/recording sections at the newsstand because I know things are heating up nicely for Headspace - yet I am intimidated; there are so many industry-related magazines that I'd never have time to check them all out thoroughly. I wonder if Headspace might be featured in Strad or Strings one of these days. Beatnik could certainly benefit the classical musician/composer. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: eduction/ continued from fear in the "White" City. In a message dated 11/27/97 1:18:36 PM, you wrote: <> True, desire to learn is natural, and the school system does little to encourage this desire. Does it really crush it though? Kids still learn and seek information they are interested in. They learn everything there is to know about celebrities they admire, or a sport they enjoy, etc. They learn what they think of as fun topics. The desire to learn is very much present. What is lacking in most people, in school or out of school, that is absolutely required to really learn much beyond the casual subjects they enjoy is self discipline. A person must decide what they want at some point and go and work hard to get it. That's tough to do. So people don't do it. They settle for being safe and comfortable. I can't blame them. Wish I could sometimes. - --Dave ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #267 ***************************