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alloy-digest        Saturday, October 18 1997        Volume 02 : Number 221



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Alloy: Re: deer identification (failed)  [Lem Bingley <lemb@computerwire.c]
  Re: Alloy: Re: deer identification (failed)      [Frank <franko1@home.com>]
  Re: Alloy: Odds and ends  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st]
  Re: Alloy: Slarvibarglhee  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.s]
  Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gon]
  Re: Alloy: Moose manoeuvers in the dark  [IT Admin - Govt Office North Wes]
  Re:  Alloy: They work in secret. They have no name.  [IT Admin - Govt Offi]
  Re: Alloy: Slarvibarglhee - The Bio (well, YOU asked for it).  [IT Admin -]
  Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News          ["Keith Stansell" <Stansell@usa.net>]
  Re: Alloy: My real name.  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st]
  Re: Alloy: Son of Tap Room  PLEASE READ  [IT Admin - Govt Office North Wes]
  Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News  [IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gon]
  Alloy: Fwd: Cool Site of the Year Awards to Attract 'Who's Who' of the Internet  [RThurF]
  Alloy: Laurie Anderson                                     [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re: Alloy:Europa comic book I saw today                    [RThurF@aol.com]
  Re: Alloy: Trademarks                           [Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>]
  Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #220  [thomas@headspace.com (Thomas Dolby Rober]
  Re: Alloy: Son of Tap Room             [Elaine Linstruth <elaine@QNET.COM>]
  Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News            [Keith Stansell <Stansell@usa.net>]

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:37:27 +0100
From: Lem Bingley <lemb@computerwire.com>
Subject: Alloy: Re: deer identification (failed)

At 19:48 16/10/97 -0400, Robin wrote:
>Are fallow deer similar to (or the same as) red deer? 

I've no idea, I just thought that was the type of deer you found in the
South of England. It might have been a red deer. Whatever, he was a lot
smaller than a moose, but still big enough to scare the living daylights
out of me :)

Lem

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:13:52 -0700
From: Frank <franko1@home.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: deer identification (failed)

At 10:37 AM 10/17/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 19:48 16/10/97 -0400, Robin wrote:
>>Are fallow deer similar to (or the same as) red deer? 
>
>I've no idea, I just thought that was the type of deer you found in the
>South of England. It might have been a red deer. Whatever, he was a lot
>smaller than a moose, but still big enough to scare the living daylights
>out of me :)
>
>Lem
>
In lieu of 'living daylight' we use the term 'living shot'. I think I have
that right!

Don't tell me that this is only an American term. No don't tell me.

A similar incident happened to me in Yosemite. I was in a car. And I left
my calling card. You know what. I wish Mr. Bean lived on this side of the
Ocean. I saw him on Leno last night. He is unbeatable. Leno could not
control his laughter.

Nor could I. That guy is truly amusing and amazing.   Frank





My Web Sites        http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6745/index.html

		    http://members.tripod.com/~WheelerF/index.html

Home (Page) Improvement!! Remember, I'm just a kid in the candy store.
Little by little I'm getting there. Join me on the ride.   El Franco

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:19 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Odds and ends

At 23:21 15/10/97 -0400, Europa  wrote:
<snip>
>
>Slarvi, I am somewhat miffed that I'm not Algie's only flirt on the 
>Net!
>
>Fondly yours,
>Europa (who is really getting a kick out of the recent headlines!)
>
He's fickle.  I learned that a long time ago, but I just can't resist him in
his sailor suit, never mind the dress, shirt and rollerblades  ........
sorry, that should be dress shirt and rollerblades.

Slarv

PS Can't wait to see the photos.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:14 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarvibarglhee

At 20:50 15/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>A Douglas Adams fan, eh?  

Yes.

>I figured you would be...with a name like Slarvibarglhee.
>
Well, it's just an an an an anagram of Billhargreaves really.

>--Omega
>
>	PS.  Is it really a reference somewhere in the Hitchhiker's 
>Guide, or is it just a pastiche?
>
No, ther's no Slarvibarglhee, but there IS a Slartibartfast, who designed
the crinkley bits of the coastlines when the Earth was being designed, remember?

Slarv

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:17 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News

At 19:19 15/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>This is the link to the speech - if it doesn't work, I'd suggest you
>check your RealAudio player installation.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/special/audio/dolbyall.ram
>
>--
>Keith Stansell
>Denver, CO
>
I DID.  I even allowed it to reinstall, and I checked it was working by
dropping into Headspace again and listening to the lastest demos, but when I
went back to the zdnet pages and tried to play it again, it just asked me if
I wanted to download Beatnik again.

I'm fed up with it now and have given it up as a bad job.

Slarv

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:06 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Moose manoeuvers in the dark

At 18:40 15/10/97 -0400, Robin wrote:
<Snip>
> I feel obliged to pass this information along, as a matter of safety for
those of us
>in the colder regions.
>
>see moose - think duck! 
>
>
I think this is an axiom for life.  Whatever we decide to call Son of Tap
Room, we could adopt it as our secret motto.

Slarvibar .... you know the rest.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:02 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re:  Alloy: They work in secret. They have no name.

At 12:40 15/10/97 -0400, Crackers wrote:
>
>>P.S, some quick thoughts for the new Tap Room name .... 
>>The Steamy (or Steaming) Lincoln, 
>~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
>
>
>No no no... it would have to be "The Steaming Knickers", I don't care
>what the liner notes say that's the lyrics.
>

It's at an airport, you dummy, and obviously referring to overheating
baggage handlers, i.e. "niggers steaming in the chilly air of the morning."
I've always had difficulty reconciling my appreciation of TMDR with this
politically incorrect lyric, but I suppose you have to allow for artistic
license.

If we're going to disagree about the correct interpretation I suggest that
Son of Tap Room could be called "The Mondegreen Arms."

>I like "The Bun Fu Bar and Girl"
>
>
Me too, but she slaps my face whenever I go in there and proposition her.

>We could also have:
>
>The Silk Pyjama Lounge

Not bad

>The Identical Russians (because "all the Russians look the same".)
>
Better.

What about the Rappsinga's Dhis-Ko?

Slarvigarglhee
Slarvi-Crackers Mutual Appreciation Society from Hell

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:37:11 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Slarvibarglhee - The Bio (well, YOU asked for it).

At 18:58 15/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Blackpool? Liverpool? North Sea Coast? Eh?
>
>Surely the North Sea is on my side of the country!
>
>the_copse
>
>
Dog dammit, you're RIGHT, I should have said the Irish Sea, though I AM only
about 90 minutes from the North Sea as well.  You'd think I'd know something
like that wouldn't you?  It must be my age.  Perhaps, subconsciously, I was
thinking about "Military Madness" by Graham Nash, in which he sings 
"In an upstairs room in Blackpool,
By the side of a northern sea,
The army had my father
and my mother was having me."

That's it, I should have said A north sea, not THE north sea.

Slarvibarglsea

And stop calling me Surely.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:20:40 -0600
From: "Keith Stansell" <Stansell@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News

Uhhhh, this is a REAL AUDIO file, not a BEATNIK file, perhaps that's your
problem.  Check your REAL AUDIO installation, not your BEATNIK
installation.  ".RAM" files should be associated to RealAudio on your
system.  It has nothing to do with Beatnik except for what TMDR is talking
about IN the RealAudio file below.
 
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/special/audio/dolbyall.ram


you wrote:

> I DID.  I even allowed it to reinstall, and I checked it was working by
> dropping into Headspace again and listening to the lastest demos, but
when I
> went back to the zdnet pages and tried to play it again, it just asked me
if
> I wanted to download Beatnik again.
> 
> I'm fed up with it now and have given it up as a bad job.
> 
> Slarv
> 

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:55:00 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: My real name.

At 22:59 16/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>As someone who's the last dozen or so years wandering about online under the
>same cryptic nom de guerre, I'm still amused to find that some people prefer
>to equate the quality of my discourse with the quality of their ability to
>track down where I live and shoot out my porch light.
>
>-- 
Wow, you have a porch light?  And a porch?  Why not park it in a garage,
then no one could shoot out its lights.

Slarv

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:54:58 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Son of Tap Room  PLEASE READ

At 11:14 16/10/97 -0700, Elaine wrote:
>
>Okie folks,
<snip>
>
>Unless one of you owns a domain name you'd like to contribute, and because
>it is officially a "temporary" home, this could end up being called
>(something).qnet.com if there is no other consensus reached -- we already
>own that domain name. 
<snip>
>Please discuss!!  Let's do this right the first time.  :)
>
>--
>Elaine Linstruth <elaine@qnet.com>                     Palmdale, CA  (USA)
>
>
I can foresee a lot of discussion about this, and maybe a rather complicated
ballot, so as a stopgap, why not taproom.qnet.com to get us under way with
no undue delay?

Slarv

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 01:18:24 +0100 (BST)
From: IT Admin - Govt Office North West <help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News

At 17:20 17/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Uhhhh, this is a REAL AUDIO file, not a BEATNIK file, perhaps that's your
>problem.  Check your REAL AUDIO installation, not your BEATNIK
>installation.  ".RAM" files should be associated to RealAudio on your
>system.  It has nothing to do with Beatnik except for what TMDR is talking
>about IN the RealAudio file below.
> 
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/special/audio/dolbyall.ram
>
>
I see. thanks for the info, I was barking up the wrong lamp post.  Any ideas
where I can download a real audio plug in?  If not I'll have a scout around
for it whjen I get back to the office on Monday.

Slarv

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:36:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Alloy: Fwd: Cool Site of the Year Awards to Attract 'Who's Who' of the Internet

Just in case, for those of you who may not receive AOL News tidbits. . .

In a message dated 10/17/97 3:48:56 PM, AOL News wrote:

<<SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Derek Powazek said being nominated
for this year's Cool Site of the Year Award hasn't changed his web site, The
Fray, but it has changed his wardrobe.
          "I bought a purple and black suit and I have never purchased a suit
in my
life," Powazek said.
          Powazek and more than 200 other web innovators and luminaries,
including
singer/technophile Thomas Dolby and Robert X. Cringely, host of the PBS
series "Triumph of the Nerds," are expected to attend this year's Cool Site
of
the Year Awards, www.coolsiteoftheyear.com, here Oct. 20 at the Great
American
Music Hall.
          The event honors outstanding achievements in the production of
those web
sites chosen during the year as a Cool Site of the Day,
www.coolsiteoftheday.com, the guide to cool web sites. It is sponsored by
InfiNet, an Internet access and publishing company owned by Gannett,
Knight-Ridder and Landmark Communications, and Livingston Enterprises, a
developer and manufacturer of remote access products and centralized
management software.
          "We have a special appreciation for the importance of creativity in
advancing the growth of Internet resources," said Joe Sasek, vice president
of
Sales and Marketing for Livingston Enterprises.
          Powazek's The Fray will compete against The Smoking Gun, The Onion,
beZerk
and Learn2.com for the coveted Cool Site of the Year Award. Awards will also
be given in eight other categories.
          "The event will bring together a diverse mixture of the web
subculture
and web professionals," said Richard Grimes, editor of Cool Site. "It's part
MTV Music Awards, part Oscars."
          The event will be hosted by comedian Greer Barnes and musical guest
will
be Galactic, a New Orleans acid jazz band.>>

Robin

- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Cool Site of the Year Awards to Attract 'Who's Who' of the Internet
Date:    97-10-17 15:48:56 EDT
From:    AOL News

    SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Derek Powazek said being nominated
for this year's Cool Site of the Year Award hasn't changed his web site, The
Fray, but it has changed his wardrobe.
          "I bought a purple and black suit and I have never purchased a suit
in my
life," Powazek said.
          Powazek and more than 200 other web innovators and luminaries,
including
singer/technophile Thomas Dolby and Robert X. Cringely, host of the PBS
series "Triumph of the Nerds," are expected to attend this year's Cool Site
of
the Year Awards, www.coolsiteoftheyear.com, here Oct. 20 at the Great
American
Music Hall.
          The event honors outstanding achievements in the production of
those web
sites chosen during the year as a Cool Site of the Day,
www.coolsiteoftheday.com, the guide to cool web sites. It is sponsored by
InfiNet, an Internet access and publishing company owned by Gannett,
Knight-Ridder and Landmark Communications, and Livingston Enterprises, a
developer and manufacturer of remote access products and centralized
management software.
          "We have a special appreciation for the importance of creativity in
advancing the growth of Internet resources," said Joe Sasek, vice president
of
Sales and Marketing for Livingston Enterprises.
          Powazek's The Fray will compete against The Smoking Gun, The Onion,
beZerk
and Learn2.com for the coveted Cool Site of the Year Award. Awards will also
be given in eight other categories.
          "The event will bring together a diverse mixture of the web
subculture
and web professionals," said Richard Grimes, editor of Cool Site. "It's part
MTV Music Awards, part Oscars."
          The event will be hosted by comedian Greer Barnes and musical guest
will
be Galactic, a New Orleans acid jazz band.
      CO:  InfiNet; Livingston Enterprises
      ST:  District of Columbia, California
      IN:  MLM
      SU:

To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. 
For all of today's news, go to keyword News.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Alloy: Laurie Anderson

I just got great seats to the Laurie Anderson show next month at Harvard
University!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last I knew, Laurie was designing a theme park in Spain, together with Brian
Eno and Peter Gabriel. I happen to know Thomas is interested in this exact
sort of thing as well. Any hope of a working collaboration? 

Living in hope!

Robin

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:12:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alloy:Europa comic book I saw today

In a message dated 10/17/97 12:33:47 AM, CRACKERS wrote:

<<Sometimes when two companies are using a trademarked name for different
products there can still arise legal battles over the use of the name
even if the products are quite different. Usually this happens in the case
of a smaller company or individual attempting to use a name trademarked by
a larger company.
<snip!>
So larger companies can easily
harrass smaller companies and individuals who are not able to endure
the financual or emotional strain of a lawsuit. Sometimes even larger
companies will try to take on each other in a bogus trademark lawsuit
in sort of a corporate "dick pulling" contest. But usually it's the case
of someone bigger trying to intimidate someone smaller.
>>

This must explain what happened when the band U2 sued some other small name,
just-getting-started band who merely entitled their cd "U2" . Somehow it was
considered an infringement & U2 won the suit. (yet another reason why I am
confused by the whole issue of copyright, trademark, etc)
And I always thought U2 was really the name of some kinda spy plane. 
I sure am dopey!

Robin

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:42:47 -0400
From: Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Trademarks

Robin wrote:
> This must explain what happened when the band U2 sued some other small
> name, just-getting-started band who merely entitled their cd "U2" .
> Somehow it was considered an infringement & U2 won the suit. (yet
> another reason why I am confused by the whole issue of copyright,
> trademark, etc)

	While I'm not a guru of U2 history, this sounds like the Negativland
debacle; the CD was a pastiche-style semi-parody of U2 (as Negativland
is wont to do) employing generous portions of U2's work (more or less
perfectly legal; Fair Use).  The CD cover, which featured "U2"
prominently, was the only legal handhold U2 could find for a suit
(`product confusion', all that), and they used it to force Negativland
to have the CDs pulled.

	They're somewhat back now, BTW; if you feel like hearing the kind of
stuff they do (bordering on the hilarious if you're in the right frame
of mind and have a similar view of the trends/etc they roast), there's
some online at their website (you guessed it;
http://www.negativland.com)...

- -spc

- -- 
 /-                    Sean Cier <scier@cmu.edu>                    -\
(         If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes         )
 \-                http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~scier                 -/

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:27:35 -0800
From: thomas@headspace.com (Thomas Dolby Robertson)
Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #220

>>>However:  as www.tdolby.com is still the FES, I ask that someone from that
camp let us know ASAP if they would like to put a pointer to us for the
use of "taproom.tdolby.com" or "www.tdolby.com/taproom/" or something
similar.  This is the easiest and fastest way to incorporate a "tdolby" 
reference. <<<<

As soon as it's up, let us know and we'll add a big fat link from several
pages at the FES.
- -- 
Thomas Dolby Robertson
CEO, Headspace Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To commemorate the 30th anniversary of
the Mood Ring, Headspace has released
an all-digital online homage....

****THE BEATNIK MOODMAKER !****
<http://www.headspace.com/beatnik/?collections/moodmaker/index.html>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elaine Linstruth <elaine@QNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Son of Tap Room

Well, we were pretty much waiting to see if there would be a vast and
angry response against that very thing.  Since there hasn't been (and it's
been 24 hours now), it looks like we'll do just that. 

- --
Elaine Linstruth <elaine@qnet.com>                     Palmdale, CA  (USA)

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote:
> I can foresee a lot of discussion about this, and maybe a rather
> complicated ballot, so as a stopgap, why not taproom.qnet.com to get us
> under way with no undue delay? 

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:46:23 -0700
From: Keith Stansell <Stansell@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News

IT Admin - Govt Office North West wrote:

> .... Any ideas where I can download a real audio plug in?  If not I'll
> have a scout around
> for it whjen I get back to the office on Monday.

http://www.real.com

- --
Keith Stansell
Denver, CO
__________________________________________________
http://www.concentric.net/~kasman

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