From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #220 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 220 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Flying North [Lem Bingley ] Re: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #218 [russell ] Re: Alloy: They work in secret. They have no name. [russell ] Alloy: Beatnik........................ [Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.] Alloy: Son of Tap Room PLEASE READ [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Flying North [Frank ] Alloy: Tap Room name [Brian Clayton ] Re: Re: Alloy: Moose manoeuvers in the dark [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Thomas' talk [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: highway [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: The Spam Tin [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Re: Alloy:Europa comic book I saw today [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #218 [crackers@hwcn.org] Alloy: (c)1967 Lem Bingley ["Lazlo Nibble" ] Re: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News ["Lazlo Nibble" ] Alloy: My real name. ["Lazlo Nibble" ] Alloy: (c)1967 Lem Bingley ["Lazlo Nibble" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:03:51 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Alloy: Flying North I know this is way, way off topic, but I just wanted to share my excitement at the news that British ThrustSSC team have set a supersonic Land Speed Record. This is from the press release: On this day the ThrustSSC team achieved the first ever supersonic World Land Speed Record - officially timed by USAC under FIA sanction. The record is subject to FIA confirmation in Paris. Taking advantage of the cold but windless morning and a 13.5 mile run up Andy Green entered the measured mile going North at 09:09:21.698 and achieved a supersonic pass over the mile at 759.333mph with a Mach no of 1.015. The turnaround was achieved within the mandatory 60 minutes and ThrustSSC entered the mile going South at 10:04:08:090 achieving a return speed of 763.035mph and a Mach no of 1.020. On each of the two runs clear supersonic booms were heard all over the playa and shook buildings in Gerlach 15 miles away This is the first ever authoritatively timed supersonic World Land Speed Record and adds to the Team's list of achievements which includes a World Land Speed Record at 714.144 mph on September 25th - and the first ever authoritatively timed supersonic pass at Mach 1.007 on October 13th. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News In a message dated 10/14/97 2:35:43 PM, Lem wrote: <> I've always heard (and believed) the "urban myth". It is no myth that the United States of America highway system is military in origin (enhanced mobility of ground troops etc). The Internet is just another sort of highway, so it makes sense to me. Frankly (hi, Frank!) I don't know why it surprises or bothers some people that a government would go out of their way to develop such systems, to protect a nation and its interests. Meteorology, for example, is heavily financially supported by the government, as a first line of national defense/offense - it is also beneficial to the general occupants of the world as well, in another way entirely. . .just like the Internet. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: russell Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #218 On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Thomas Dolby Robertson wrote: > Dear Alloyites, > > The activities on this list are really quite astonishing. I hope the list's > new post-Tap Room home turns out to be a happy one. I think it would be nice > if it had a musical component using Beatnik, so if anyone has honed their > chops yet, perhaps they should get with Paul and see how sound might play a > part...... I can envision members having melodic "handles" which play to > accompany their postings, and I might consider regularly contributing sections > of my music as triggerable RMF files. I have planned on making Beatnik a part of the new Tap Room. I have experimented with the Groovoids on my various web pages, and they are fun. I also plan to have ways to add your own information to the chat room, so everyone can share music, art, and information. - -Russell Milliner > -- > Thomas Dolby Robertson > CEO, Headspace Inc. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To commemorate the 30th anniversary of > the Mood Ring, Headspace has released > an all-digital online homage.... > > ****THE BEATNIK MOODMAKER !**** > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: russell Subject: Re: Alloy: They work in secret. They have no name. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 crackers@hwcn.org wrote: > If you need a test user to make sure the system works with LYNX just let me > know and I'll do what I can to help. (in other words, don't forget us > non-graphical users ;) Dont worry I always make sure that my designs work for all browsers, although you may not have access to all of the neat features. - -Russell > > CRACKERS > (All a titter with excitement from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:06:59 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Moose manoeuvers in the dark RobIn wrote: >see moose - think duck! LOL! Lissu's near miss reminded me of one of the scariest things that ever happened to me. I was riding my motorbike at about 60mph down a narrow, leafy road in Surrey, following a friend (Zoe) on another bike. I was quite close behind. I was massively startled when a fully-grown fallow deer, with massive antlers, jumped out of the hedge without any warning and somehow managed to cross the road by running between us. He must have missed both of us by mere inches - I didn't even have time to touch the brake lever and I can clearly remember seeing the whites of his eyes. We got to where we were going about five minutes later, and I was still shaking. I said to Zoe something like, "man, we're lucky to be alive.." and she says 'what'? Of course the stag had run behind her, and she hadn't even noticed it. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News I always thought the US highway system was constructed (along with a lot of other things) as a means to get our great-depressed nation back to work and out of the handout lines & shantys. Shows what I know! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > In a message dated 10/14/97 2:35:43 PM, Lem wrote: > It's a shame that, right at the end of his talk, Thomas perpetuates an ugly > urban myth. The idea that the Internet began life as some sort of > nuclear-bomb-proof military communications system has no basis in fact. In > reality, the Net arose simply as a result of trying to cut costs - getting > more use out of expensive computers - but that story is less of a good > yarn, I guess. > I've always heard (and believed) the "urban myth". It is no myth that the > United States of America highway system is military in origin (enhanced > mobility of ground troops etc). The Internet is just another sort of highway, > so it makes sense to me. > > Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:31:43 -0400 From: Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com> Subject: Alloy: Beatnik........................ I'm really looking forward to getting a hold of this stuff, then it would= be even easier to get my stuff out, rather than sending loads of tapes, like I did last time. When I finish this album it's definitely worth investigating, but it'll still be more satisfying to hold something in yo= ur hand and stuff it in an envelope. Plus I know so little about computers I= 'd probably never master it! What appear to be the possibilities of all this= for unsigned bands? Isn't it cool having our Leader posting to the List? If only we could hav= e all been there...... the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Son of Tap Room PLEASE READ Okie folks, As Russell will be (or is) setting up housekeeping and working diligently on your new site, it is officially time to decide on its name. Unless one of you owns a domain name you'd like to contribute, and because it is officially a "temporary" home, this could end up being called (something).qnet.com if there is no other consensus reached -- we already own that domain name. We own several that can be used (among them gcr.com, av.org) but none that are specifically TMDR related, of course. However: as www.tdolby.com is still the FES, I ask that someone from that camp let us know ASAP if they would like to put a pointer to us for the use of "taproom.tdolby.com" or "www.tdolby.com/taproom/" or something similar. This is the easiest and fastest way to incorporate a "tdolby" reference. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but we are hoping that most of you will see this as pretty much a non-issue. It's a little more complicated than just saying "let's make it www.nuvogue.com!" since that name must be registered and paid for on an annual basis, not to mention the fact that we'd have to have a big discussion and vote process -- none of which is conducive to getting this thing up & running quickly. By the way, "www.taproom.com" is in use by another organization. Please discuss!! Let's do this right the first time. :) - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:11:40 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: Alloy: Flying North At 11:03 AM 10/16/97 +0100, you wrote: >I know this is way, way off topic, but I just wanted to share my excitement >at the news that British ThrustSSC team have set a supersonic Land Speed >Record. This is from the press release: > >On this day the ThrustSSC team achieved the first ever supersonic World >Land Speed Record - officially timed by USAC under FIA sanction. The >record is subject to FIA confirmation in Paris. > >Taking advantage of the cold but windless morning and a 13.5 mile run >up Andy Green entered the measured mile going North at 09:09:21.698 >and achieved a supersonic pass over the mile at 759.333mph with a Mach >no of 1.015. The turnaround was achieved within the mandatory 60 >minutes and ThrustSSC entered the mile going South at 10:04:08:090 >achieving a return speed of 763.035mph and a Mach no of 1.020. > >On each of the two runs clear supersonic booms were heard all over the >playa and shook buildings in Gerlach 15 miles away > >This is the first ever authoritatively timed supersonic World Land Speed >Record and adds to the Team's list of achievements which includes a >World Land Speed Record at 714.144 mph on September 25th - and the >first ever authoritatively timed supersonic pass at Mach 1.007 on October >13th. > This is really an accomplishment. I am proud of the Brits. I don't think Breedlove can equal their performance. And now they are going home. Continued success. Frank My Web Sites http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6745/index.html http://members.tripod.com/~WheelerF/index.html Home (Page) Improvement!! Remember, I'm just a kid in the candy store. Little by little I'm getting there. Join me on the ride. El Franco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: Tap Room name Has anyone suggested "Pan Am Bar"? I don't think Pan Am will mind. :) BTW, do check out the Beatnik Moodmaker. Great for getting strange looks from your officemates. :) BC - --- Brian Clayton "It was very witty, but it wasn't my wittiness." stemish@kumr.lns.com -- Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Moose manoeuvers in the dark In a message dated 10/16/97 9:11:54 AM, Lem wrote: <> LEM! This is such a scary story. You are very lucky he was such a fast deer! He can probably still remember seeing the whites of your eyes too. Are fallow deer similar to (or the same as) red deer? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Thomas' talk At 09:33 14/10/97 -0600, Keith Stansel wrote: > >I must urge everyone who has realaudio to go listen to this. It's > not a > >soundbyte, it's his whole talk, all 1 hour 16minutes. Does anyone know if this will still be available when Dave and I finally have the technology to hear it (after January)? If not, can I use some other computer, and save it for later? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: highway In a message dated 10/16/97 12:13:10 PM, Elaine wrote: << I always thought the US highway system was constructed (along with a lot of other things) as a means to get our great-depressed nation back to work and out of the handout lines & shantys. Shows what I know! >> I think you're right about the "work" aspect of the highways! It was a much-needed kickstart to the economy, and accomplished a huge military goal, all at the same time. I thought I should explain the basis of my assertion about the military thing: where I am from (Binghamton NY) exists one of the top ten most dangerous highway merges in the entire United States - the explaination for its existence, as I've always been told, is related to military equipment having to move through the area in case of emergency. On looking into it further, it seems the whole national system is designed, when it comes right down to it, for the use of very large vehicles if need be. What I am curious about now is Digital TV. It seems obvious that having this in as many households as possible could benefit the government in some way. Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: The Spam Tin In a message dated 10/16/97 9:29:07 AM, Russell Milliner wrote: <> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, Russell and everyone else involved!!! This is going to be absolutely fantastic. I just read Eileen's post about the would-be address of the new tap room, and I agree that whatever does the best job right now is what we should use. The permanent name can be decided on at a more convenient time. I can't wait till this place opens! :) Robin ps: I am partial to "The Spam Tin" when it comes time to vote, simply because it invokes the image of a cozy little place where we can all sort of "gel" together... and also "tin" as associated with "Alloy", naturally. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Re: Alloy:Europa comic book I saw today In article <971015175957_-858257529@emout15.mail.aol.com>, you wrote: >I assume this is true in America as well as Canada. . .except if the title is >trademarked (ie "Superman"). . .? Could I take the name of this character and >stick it on some other character, and try to market it? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Trademarks are a very specific property right. When you trademark a word it can only apply within narrow parameters. For example, I might be an electronics manufacturer and I make a new high speed modem that uses a very special data compression. I decide to call this compression "Megaburst" and to prevent my competition from using that name on their product I trademark the word. But my trademark rights over the word Megaburst only apply to data compression methods. So if a company that manufactures bubblegum decides to name their new bubblegum product "Megaburst" there's nothing I can do about it, and this bubblegum company can trademark the word "Megaburst" as it applies to bubblegum. Sometimes when two companies are using a trademarked name for different products there can still arise legal battles over the use of the name even if the products are quite different. Usually this happens in the case of a smaller company or individual attempting to use a name trademarked by a larger company. This happens mostly in the US because american laws make it very easy to sue people even if you don't have a case. In Canada, if you sue a person and lose you have to pay the legal fees of the person you sued. This prevents people of using lawsuits for harassment. In the states you can sue someone over anything and if you lose you don't have to pay the legal fees of the person you've sued. So larger companies can easily harrass smaller companies and individuals who are not able to endure the financual or emotional strain of a lawsuit. Sometimes even larger companies will try to take on each other in a bogus trademark lawsuit in sort of a corporate "dick pulling" contest. But usually it's the case of someone bigger trying to intimidate someone smaller. Infact, if I'm not mistaken, Thomas himself once fell victim to this type of harassment (and triumphed victorious too). So DC Comics would own the Superman trademark for comic character, film characters, TV characters, toys, and probably a wide variety of other products and media (anything that's been marketed with Superman by DC or trademarked by them) but there may be something for which they have not trademarked that name in which case you'd be able to use that name. CRACKERS (A registered trademark from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V2 #218 In article <34458DA2.BB379037@headspace.com>, you wrote: >Dear Alloyites, > >I was most touched by your wonderful birthday wishes, and especially by the >gang who showed up to my SF lecture last week and the reception afterwards, to >present me with the Birthday Tape. It's really an amazing present, and has >given me hours of enjoyment so far. I had no idea you lot were musically >so..... um, diversely talented! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ It thrills me to no end that you enjoyed our little gift. I only wish I could have been there too to deliver it. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >The activities on this list are really quite astonishing. I hope the list's >new post-Tap Room home turns out to be a happy one. I think it would be nice >if it had a musical component using Beatnik, so if anyone has honed their >chops yet, perhaps they should get with Paul and see how sound might play a >part...... I can envision members having melodic "handles" which play to >accompany their postings, and I might consider regularly contributing sections >of my music as triggerable RMF files. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ That would be neat, but I have a question. Is "Beatnik" a strickly on-line affair, or does it function off line from downloaded files as well. Being a LYNX user, I don't get to listed to sounds or see graphics on-line. I have to download all the packets and listen/view them off-line later. Can I do this with Beatnik files? CRACKERS (Musical signatures from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:33:23 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Alloy: (c)1967 Lem Bingley >> All titles are public domain as a title cannot be copyrighted. > > Indeedy-do. But interestingly, I'm pretty certain you could claim that a > song title constituted a Trade Mark. TMDR would appear to have an extremely > strong case for Trade Mark status on the song title "She Blinded Me With > Science", for example. He'd be unlikely to wina lawsuit against anyone using the name for a song, because he's never actually tried to protect it as a trademark. The rules for trademarks are pretty strict in that respect. (There's a comic book called "Europa and the Pirate Twins", by the way. I sent Thomas a copy a while back -- it's pretty dire. :-) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:46:45 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Dolby in the News > I always thought the US highway system was constructed (along with a lot > of other things) as a means to get our great-depressed nation back to work > and out of the handout lines & shantys. Shows what I know! Actually the Interstate highway system was an initiative of the Eisenhower administration, and was in fact sold to the public as an aid to military mobilization. Those great murals in lots of 1930s public buildings, on the other hand... - -- ::: Lazlo (who lives right smack dab on old Route 66) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:59:02 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Alloy: My real name. > It is my observation, based on a residence in the online community that > dates from the time of the Information Wagontrack, that when participants > are required to properly identify themselves the quality of exchange is > raised considerably. The participants, in this scenario, take more > responsibility for what they say, more carefully measure their words, and > are generally more polite and considerate of each other. This, all because > the participants are held accountable by the simple power of their true > names. As someone who's the last dozen or so years wandering about online under the same cryptic nom de guerre, I'm still amused to find that some people prefer to equate the quality of my discourse with the quality of their ability to track down where I live and shoot out my porch light. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:03:21 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Alloy: (c)1967 Lem Bingley > (There's a comic book called "Europa and the Pirate Twins", by the way. I > sent Thomas a copy a while back -- it's pretty dire. :-) See what I get for reading articles in subject order instead of posting order? Sorry folks, I had no idea that the comic had started this discussion! - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #220 ***************************