From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #214 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 02 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: The Big Day [Brian Clayton ] Alloy: Revelation: Music of the Spheres [electrix ] RE: Alloy: Revelation: Music of the Sphe [Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (] Re: Alloy: Damit Lem, I am Musician not a Scientist! [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: The Big Day [Melissa Jordan ] Re: Alloy: The Big Day ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation [Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com] Alloy: Let's have a party! ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: a favor...? [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: Let's have a party! ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: a favor...? [electrix ] Alloy: RE: Admin: Read this please. [electrix ] Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation [ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson)] Alloy: DA DA DA [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Brains vs Accomplishment [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander] Alloy: Tapes [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Education vs Experience [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Dreams [dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander)] Alloy: Readers Beware! [electrix ] Re: Alloy: The Big Day [Frank ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: The Big Day A brief message to relate that Stephen, Mary, Monya, Steven McD., Phil Louie, and myself met up with Our Founder this evening, and The Tape was at long last placed into his waiting hands. "OH, this is it! You have it with you!" he said. Photographs were taken and very graciously posed for (and taken by my friend Anna.) A good time was had by all. More dirty details to follow. Happy (early) Birthday, Thomas! May the Cake Be With You! BC, et. al. PS: Thomas said he has been avoiding the mailing list so as not to spoil the surprise. You're allowed back in the room now, Tom! - --- Brian Clayton "It was very witty, but it wasn't my wittiness." stemish@kumr.lns.com -- Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 23:57:12 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Revelation: Music of the Spheres RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/8/97 8:10:52 PM, electrix wrote: > > << there is a theory going around that identifies the tone of your > vibration according to your astrological sign. Mine is A#. Thomas > Dolby's is A. So, Thomas..."Don't Get (Close to Me)." > >> > > Yikes! What's Gemini? > > Robin Well I must first correct my info on Thomas vibrational tone...it is actually F# (depending on the system). My mistake. But instead of just giving you yours, I will put the schedule up for anyone who is interested in such "phenomenology." I have noted three different systems. It is actually a circle, going clockwise. One is expected to pick one and work with it: Music of The Sphere Music of The Sphere Wheel One Wheel Two (Max Heindel's) Capricorn A G Sagittarius G# F Scorpio G E Libra F# D Virgo F C Leo E A# Cancer D# G# Gemini D F# Taurus C# Eb Aries C Db Pices B B Aquarius A# A The above was taken from the paperback "Sacred Sounds: Transformation through Music and Words" by Ted Andrews. The information extracted from such people like the astronomer Johannes Keppler, Ptolemy, and Rosicrucian Max Heindel. Pythagoras was big on Numbers as eternal elements. Most school derive their system from him. A survey on measurements would always gives us a ratio. Ratios are the basic element of what makes up a vibrational notes (2nds, thirds, fifths, octaves..etc.). "Earth Medicine" by Kenneth Meadows. Survey and research of shamanic way to self-discovery from Native Indians. His Wheel is divided somewhat different. The date of birth doesn't correlate with Western views. Animal Birth Date Musical Vibration Falcon 21 Mar - 19 Apr C# Beaver 20 Apr - 20 May D# Deer 21 May - 20 Jun E Woodpecker 21 Jun - 21 Jul F Salmon 22 Jul - 21 Aug F# Brown Bear 22 Aug - 21 Sep G Crow 22 Sep - 22 Oct A Snake 23 Oct - 22 Nov B Owl 23 Nov - 21 Dec C# Goose 22 Dec - 19 Jan D# (an octave above Beaver) Otter 20 Jan - 18 Feb E (an octave above Deer) Wolf 19 Feb - 20 Mar F# (an octave above salmon) My adventure into this is just barely beginning after my continuous sojourn of altered states. All of this stuff is ust a scratch of the surface. I suppose I am in search of the Last Note. electrix ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:57:34 +0200 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: RE: Alloy: WHAT! sometimes we do,...but there's other things we like to chat about too,.. just delete the ones with a non-dolby subject title. I for one, will try and refrain from non dolby writings on here, if it pleases you. soz about that. ---------- From: alloy To: alloy Subject: Alloy: WHAT! Date: 09. October 1997 12:50 Precedence: bulk I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? Thanx, Kel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:59:42 +0200 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: Re: Alloy: lyrics,.. >Absolutely agree...but all I am saying is that it wouldn't hurt for the >artist to "interpret" his music. By the artist doing so, the >individual's imagination can veer away from the small minority of >psychopaths a la "Helter Skelter" and provide a ground for exposing >different values of the artistic work. ehh? Robin,...you're onto him alright, By the way love, I hope you're feeling better. well wishingly yours, Lissu P.S.,...where do you take your rat's asses to be redeemed? I'd like to take mine in before they begin to smell, and I want to complain about the adhesive, coz the damn things just don't stick in the book when you lick 'em. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:53:54 +0200 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: Re: Alloy: Private Colleges & Education Copse, my friend, I'd say the situation is still better now than in the "good old days" when only men, coming from "good" families got into university. A northern lass like me wouldn't have had the slightest chance to get a university education. Inability to spell or criticize a text are something we should blame the schools for....it may mean that many colleges have to accept people who have a lower level of general literacy than they did 50 years ago, but what's the alternative?...... research grants are not going to keep these places running on their own.....my tiny old department at the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies (Univ. of London) has had to end our wee degree course because of lack of funds. This means that my degree doesn't even exist anymore, even though our course was reputed as one of the best in the world,....(nearly killed me anyway!) As for schools,...I've been at state schools, and on a scholarship to a private school. Whilst I can't deny that the private school's level of teaching was better, had I lived one mile up the road in the next county, the local state school was so good that I wouldn't have needed to attend the private one. Levels of schooling vary so damned much in Britain. If it was better, I'm sure you wouldn't get so many mis-spelt applications I'd still say that your own experiences are still colouring your viewpoint here,..Uni is still what you make of it, as is anything in life,...and it's not fair to stereotype all British Universities as being the same. Since when did the Three "R"s and a Cambridge degree to follow guarantee a better personality & intellect anyway? You could still end up being stupid. time to step of the soapbox,.. respectfully yours, Lissu ---------- From: alloy To: INTERNET:alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Private Colleges & Education Date: 09. October 1997 14:45 Precedence: bulk When talking about private Colleges and Universities, I take it you're talking about those on the other side of the Pond from us. The only private university with which I am familiar here is Buckingham - a fate not to be wished on your worst enemies, apparently! I'd be interested to know what kind of an education system you'd recommend instead of what we have now. I was fortunate enough to be taken on by a couple of top-notch public schools who could afford to pay for the best teachers, extra-curriculars etc etc. The emphasis was very much on disciplined learning at an early age, combined with encouragement to express freely, and work from enthusiasm, within correct frameworks. This basis is certainly lacking now, and the letters I receive at work are just one symptom of this. Teachers applying for a PGCE in "Secondery Education" and engineers applying for degrees in "Idustrail Design" are not the half of it! Perhaps what we need is not a middle ground between the hard-right back-to-basics ideals and the dreamy hippy theories of the sixties and seventies, but a system consisting of equal parts of the two, wherein the students receive the maximum breadth of experience, and each part of the education can be framed by aspects of the other. Well, just a thought............. the_copse the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:09:09 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation Dennis S. Alexander wrote: > > I'd rather say that . . . whatever sound comes from the artist and that > which moves the listener, is nothing more. It's only sound. What it > contains, in a somewhat peculiar fashion, is the 'spirit' of the persons > emotions (not in a spiritual sense). And quite often, that sound is also > composed of the 'spirit' of others, ie:the programmers who created the > synths, etc... > > And along with what electrix said, The difference between artistic and > pop. Those two words are so dificult to define. I, for instance find > great pleasure in such artists as Barry Manilow, Elvis Costello, Barbara > Streisand, The Moody Blues, Rolling Stones, New Order, Art Of Noise, > Tomita, REM, John Denver, Soul to Soul, Madonna, The Presidents Of The > United States Of America and the aforementioned Bon Jovi. And I can find > great distaste in all of the above artists as well (their works). Thomas > Dolby, pop? Categorized, yes, in reality, not at all! You are in Denial. > > And electrix, > > >>Well...judging from your "agreements," I should have left you out in > thecold... huh, mate? > > nah! I just thought you might like a good sincere counter. COOL! and don't I love it...! > In truth I deeply hate many of my dearest friends. It's the differences that make > us so close. We love to experiment on each other so that we can all grow. Hell, if we don't grow, we certainly would have a hell of a time beating up each other, heh? :-) > "A friend is someone who knows everything about you, but still likes you > anyway." JAM I hate you so much that I like you. ;-) electrix ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:48:53 +0200 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: RE: Alloy: Revelation: Music of the Sphe Hell, what other literature do you keep by the loo, electrix? Lay off the mushroom salad man,...it's doing funny things to you. big hug, Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:06:18 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Damit Lem, I am Musician not a Scientist! Electrix wrote >e-mail me directly to avoid any neophytes the undue torture if you wish >to continue. Although, I think we fundamentally agree. You caught me in pedant mode, sorry about that. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 20:36:54 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Admin: Read this please. >I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR >STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? Kel unsubscribed shortly after posting that, and he'd only subscribed a day or two ago: he was a tad quick to judge methinks. Now before you all condemn him/her for it, just remember that's a human failing all too many of us (as in humanity et al) suffer from at one time or another. What would you have thought if all you'd had to go on were the last two day's posts? Putting on my administrator hat for a tick: Just a polite word, ease up a bit people. There is no right or wrong here. If someone offers a different point of view, don't get militant, respect and appreciate the difference. In fact, relish it. You never know, it may help you look at things in a way you've never thought to look before. If you feel compelled to argue a point to bits with someone, respect other people's time & costs and TAKE IT OFFLINE. I don't want to moderate or play bouncer but I will do so if forced. Remember also that email is just text. You may mean something lightheartedly but it may not be read as such by someone else who doesn't know you, or your writing style well. Everything you say here is read by a wide and varied audience spread over many different locations and cultures. Like it or not, your words carry weight here. Don't mistake this for an IRC channel or the tap room: it's not intended as such, and you'll have the appreciation of 80+ good people if you don't treat it this way. We're working on putting together a new tap room: save it for then. One of the things I for one value most about Alloy is that we're all friends here: sure, the base intent is to talk about AllThingsDolby(tm), but I liken it to conversations you'd have with good friends over a quiet beer. It's bound to meander along many different paths, in fact I hope it does. An appreciation for Thomas' work is a common bond we all have, but IMHO it's priceless finding out - and again, appreciating - the differences we have. As always, if you have a gripe about the list or are offended by any posts in particular, let me know by emailing me at or call me on the numbers below, and I'll do my best to address your concerns. All I want is for you to be comfortable here - /you/ make Alloy what it is, not I. If you think there's something wrong about the way I look after the list then again, please, let me know. I can't fix what I don't know about. If you're not comfortable talking with me about it, you're welcome to contact Jeff Wasilko at who looks after the server Alloy is on. thanks for your time, stay well, Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT Mercenary http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane tel: +61-7-3857-8048/+61-411-875-009 Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:48:19 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Re: Alloy: The Big Day At 11:16 PM 10/9/97 -0700, you wrote: > >A brief message to relate that Stephen, Mary, Monya, Steven McD., Phil >Louie, and myself met up with Our Founder this evening, and The Tape >was at long last placed into his waiting hands. "OH, this is it! You >have it with you!" he said. Photographs were taken and very graciously >posed for (and taken by my friend Anna.) A good time was had by all. How neat that so many of our number were able to be there together to hand off the present. Very cool. Makes me wish I'd had the time to participate. Looking forward to all the details! Cheers, Melissa Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858, ext. 4567 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:19:49 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Big Day Any word on the status of the other tapes? Should I expect mine to return this week or so? Saturday is my birthday and I'm considering this a present also. Also, could anyone who has a copy of the tape tell me if my greeting is on there. I'd like to know if it made it or not. Patiently Waiting, Keith Stansell - ---------- > From: Melissa Jordan > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: The Big Day > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 8:48 AM > > At 11:16 PM 10/9/97 -0700, you wrote: > > > >A brief message to relate that Stephen, Mary, Monya, Steven McD., Phil > >Louie, and myself met up with Our Founder this evening, and The Tape > >was at long last placed into his waiting hands. "OH, this is it! You > >have it with you!" he said. Photographs were taken and very graciously > >posed for (and taken by my friend Anna.) A good time was had by all. > > How neat that so many of our number were able to be there together to hand > off the present. Very cool. Makes me wish I'd had the time to participate. > > Looking forward to all the details! > > Cheers, > > Melissa > > > Melissa R. Jordan > > Special Projects Manager > International Programs Office > Goodwill Industries International, Inc. > (301) 881-6858, ext. 4567 > (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:04:04 -0400 From: Tim Dunn <113203.2623@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation Hey Franco, the_copse is the name of my doomed recording project, which quite alot of= listees have had a taste of. I don't know quite what it means, it just fe= lt right when I thought of it years ago. It still has _ in it because CRACKE= RS told me to put it there in the grand old days of the FES, like a kind of membership badge, as in The_Emeritus_Professor and others. I'm quite embarrassed that my real name goes out on things, as on the FES it never used to. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:18:29 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: Let's have a party! What's a birthday without a party! I have a chat room set up on my web page at the address listed at the end of the message. I would like to invite everyone to come to a birthday party chat session at "my place". It is a Java program, so no downloads or plug-ins are required. Right now the page says it's for discussion of bad knees, ignore that, no one will be there talking about bad knees. I'll try to re-decorate the room prior to the party. The question is, when would be a good time to have the party. I thought perhaps Sunday or Monday and if we are lucky, we could get "The Man" himself to join us. Give me your suggestions, I know with the world wide scope of this group, a convenient time for all may be difficult to find. Let me know what you think. The link is below - no passwords are necessary. http://www.concentric.net/~kasman/chat.shtml Keith Stansell Denver, Colorado _____________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:01:33 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Alloy: a favor...? This is off-topic (which I'm afraid I've been doing to often lately...back to lurking now) and grossly personal, but if anyone could tell me I'd be very greatful. My computer froze (completely) while I was receiving e-mail, and they aren't saved on either my computer or the 'mail server. There were three and I know the first was an Alloy post (a birthday party one), could anyone tell me if the others were? It's 14:30 Central Daylight Time here in Missouri, and the last proper post I got was Keith's asking about the tape. I have very very many e-mail correspondants, a few of whom are pretty important, so I'd really like to know what those lost messages were. I do hate to miss Alloy goings on too! Thank you all muchly... E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:24:54 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Let's have a party! Re-post for E(lipse - ---------- > From: Keith Stansell > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Let's have a party! > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 12:18 PM > > What's a birthday without a party! > > I have a chat room set up on my web page at the address listed at the end > of the message. I would like to invite everyone to come to a birthday > party chat session at "my place". > > It is a Java program, so no downloads or plug-ins are required. > > Right now the page says it's for discussion of bad knees, ignore that, no > one will be there talking about bad knees. I'll try to re-decorate the > room prior to the party. > > The question is, when would be a good time to have the party. I thought > perhaps Sunday or Monday and if we are lucky, we could get "The Man" > himself to join us. Give me your suggestions, I know with the world wide > scope of this group, a convenient time for all may be difficult to find. > > Let me know what you think. The link is below - no passwords are > necessary. > > http://www.concentric.net/~kasman/chat.shtml > > Keith Stansell > Denver, Colorado > _____________________________ > http://www.concentric.net/~kasman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:45:00 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Re: Alloy: a favor...? Well...I have gotten your private e-mails so far and I haven't replied as yet, so you don't to fret on mine. However, I am afraid it will be after the holidays that I get back to you. I did read one of your prose. 1st impression: I LIKED IT. Now, to find out why...... electrix Eclipse wrote: > > This is off-topic (which I'm afraid I've been doing to often > lately...back to lurking now) and grossly personal, but if anyone could > tell me I'd be very greatful. My computer froze (completely) while I > was receiving e-mail, and they aren't saved on either my computer or the > 'mail server. There were three and I know the first was an Alloy post > (a birthday party one), could anyone tell me if the others were? It's > 14:30 Central Daylight Time here in Missouri, and the last proper post I > got was Keith's asking about the tape. I have very very many e-mail > correspondants, a few of whom are pretty important, so I'd really like > to know what those lost messages were. > I do hate to miss Alloy goings on too! > > Thank you all muchly... > E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:25:54 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: RE: Admin: Read this please. > Putting on my administrator hat for a tick: Putting my User hat for a gong: I must admit... the air got a little thick around for a couple of days. I suppose one of the fingers should be pointing at me for kick-starting it with my chastizing e-mail. At the same time I have to be blunt... what is a community e-mail if it isn't for expressing our views. Some of us are going to be prematurely upset on certain views, others will take it lightly. God bless those who take it lightly. I do think though that if certain views cannot be aired here, then it is necessary to establish and post the guidelines of 'what is' or 'what is not' allowed in this forum. If it is only Dolby related materials, then that's fine. But in essence very limited. Being new here...I have noticed a tad of sterile reservation. Almost like coming in a Top Floor Corporate Office. I say this not to be critical, but in my hope that this impression is noticed since as humans we tend to focus in on daily conditions and activity without being aware of the same environment. The last two days, however, I noticed quite a bit of "spirit" in this joint and learned quite a bit more of its membership; their way of thinking, beliefs, profession and so forth. I do think (opinion) this is what makes a situation a healthy cyber-community. People also argue. We can't get away from that fact of life. We only hope that we are civilized enough to cast the bad vibes aside and get on with living. Like I mentioned before, bad vibes not only make a mess of the ambience but kept inside of our body causes serious disturbance to the body as well as the spirit. Therefore, it must be air in the open to be recognized and dealt with. Maybe my impression of this cyber-community is displaced, I am not sure. But a sign on the door with an emblazoned statements of its rules and purpose, would serve any newcomer very well. I would have sent this information privately, Paul, but...I think this is about Group dynamics. Again, I am not trying to be disrespectful, rude, selfish, or any degenerative words in its place... I am just seeking to understand my role in this group and the aim of alloy@smoe.org. Maybe a miss something at the entrance door. electrix Sincerely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:07:42 GMT From: ljackson@nstar.net (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:09:09 -0700, you wrote: >You are in Denial. Quick! Someone throw them a life jacket! (Sorry, my punster nature took over for a moment. I'm feeling much better now.) // Lee Jackson (ljackson@nstar.net) // Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. & 3D Realms Entertainment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:27:12 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: DA DA DA I'm almost glad I didn't see this Volkswagon ad! I hate the song and if I see the ad, will it make me love the song? I'm in fear! JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:29:22 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Brains vs Accomplishment It's fine to be smart. But to be smart and unsuccessful and unhappy, now that's a sin! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:28:37 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Tapes I ranted and raved in electrix ear (the electronic one (electrix' electronic ear?)) about this and I'll do it here! Back when the FES had a pub, I was the first to claim any song for the album for Thomas, but somehow that got lost with the demise of the pub. And I was not made aware of Alloy until recently. Thanks to electrix, as he was curious if I was going to participate or not, or I wouldn't be here. (By the way, I chose Weightless, which I noticed someone else chose) Now, it is also my understanding that the only way to get a copy of this album is to contribute to it. And as I have most obviously missed the deadline, I will not be receiving a copy. I did notice that someone asked if we can get a copy whether we were able to contribute or not, and I may have missed the reply, but I would like to get one. Can anyone help me here? And the next time we do this, please let me know! Ok? JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:28:12 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Education vs Experience While I have nothing against education (actually, not at all!) or further education, it is interesting to note that the reason why most people further their education is so that they can get a better paying job. It's part of the system. "Go along with the system and everything will be ok." (Thinking in the box) But the sad reality is that, by far, most people who go to college or university, rarely get rich. Rich in the sense that they have what they want and no more. Instead, Financial Independence (where you can do what you want, when you want and not have to worry about the money) is usually achieved by high school dropouts. Most millionaires never went to college. Most millionaires have attitude. They never give up! They crash, they get back up! They also tend to be the most happy and satisfied. This is the course I have chosen. True I do not have any degrees. I am not even certified for anything in my 10 years of hands on education as a computer/network technician/manager. But I did loose my job and for one reason; the guy didn't like me because I wouldn't put up with his butt-kissing ethos! I wouldn't allow him to yell at me when I knew I was right (and I was never wrong)! Simply; I wouldn't put up with his personality problems. He laid me off in probably the same way he had been laid off many times. His loss, my gain. He'll die at 43 (he's 40) of a heart attack induced by his on stress, and I'll be living the life I've always wanted! (By the way, he has his degrees.) JAMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:27:39 -0600 From: dalexander@juno.com (Dennis S. Alexander) Subject: Alloy: Dreams "This, is the stuff dreams are made of" I believe that we have two parts to our minds. Conscious and Sub-conscious. I believe that the conscious is, well, just, er, there. It's us. But the sub-conscious is a separate, detached part of our mind that loosely communicates with our conscious. However, it does not have any logic. It operates more on randomness. It does think, but more on an emotional level. It is our sixth sense. It is the generator for our dreams. It's where we make our biggest decisions ("I just don't 'feel' right about it"). It's state is controlled by the attitude we choose to have in our conscious mind, and then it feed our conscious mind with what it wants us to feel for that attitude. It learns. It grows. When people say, "Let me sleep on it", this is literal. Our sub-conscious needs to hash on it, and it does it's best work at night when the body can give it more attention. Have you ever woken up and said "Yeah! That's what I will do!"? When we are uncomfortable and we don't know why, it's our sub telling us there is a problem. And it's usually right! Tragedies that we choose not to deal with get buried behind the sub. The conscious decides that it doesn't want to deal with the tragedy. The sub knows this is wrong and continues to torchure us until the conscious decides to 'deal' with the tragedy. At this point, the sub is satisfied and harmonizes better with the conscious. So with all of this, Dreams come from the sub. It's a way for it to entertain us, teach us, help us. It's critical to us being a 'whole'. A wholesome whole. Complete. Lucid dreams are when the conscious, without fully awakening, learns to communicate more fully with the sub, or vice versa. It's a state where the two almost become one. Like a man and wife that function very well with each other. Oddly enough, women tend to operate on emotion where men tend to operate on logic. A man without a woman or a woman without a man makes stupid decisions all the time! A man and woman together, can make complete decisions. If the man (I know this probably sounds chauvinistic, but it's not) makes the final decision and listens to the woman while making the decision, they will usually get it right. He leans more towards the conscious and she, towards the sub. Creating an even larger and more complete 'whole'. When creating/learning music, the conscious concentrates to learn the lesson. Once learned, the sub (which has been listening the whole time, if you allow it) takes over. So when a pianist plays a piece he has learned, even if he is reading the music, the conscious knows what symbols on the page demand which finger to play it, when to and for how long to hold the key and how hard to strike the key. Once the skill is learned, the conscious can concentrate on fewer things and just let the sub 'run with it.' The sub can concentrate on and do a heck of a lot more than the conscious. I believe that music is one of those things that so much unites the two into one mind. "The key to happiness is having dreams... the key to success is making dreams come true." (copse is probably gonna burn me for my essay!) JAMac "A man who never dreams goes slowly mad" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:06:07 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Readers Beware! Ulfstedt Louise NMP wrote: > > Hell, what other literature do you keep by the loo, electrix? You wouldn't be believe it...I a few short months I have a mass so much reading material. I thirst for knowledge like I have never before. I even went back to studying basic biology and physics to understand more of the stuff I am attempting to assimilate. It is a wonderful mew world out here! > Lay off the mushroom salad man,...it's doing funny things to you. I know this is in jest. But it does bring up a matter that I think is important for me to be explicit. I do not approve the use or abuse of recreational drugs and at times pharmaceutical drugs. When I mention alter states in my comment, I mean Brainwave levels. I am pretty heavy on that stuff...achieving Alpha, Theta, Delta level and I am still learning/experimenting. I DO NOT MEAN recreational drugs (Coke, Mary Jane and what not). I also use, not abuse, nootropics. If you have seen the movie or video (also CD) called "Synthetic Pleasures" you'll understand what I am talking about. It is a worthwhile video to watch if you need to know what is happening with the generation after Generation X. > big hug, double the hug, double the pleasure! > electrix ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:53:13 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: Alloy: The Big Day I bet it was COOL!!! Frank of San Diego At 10:48 AM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 11:16 PM 10/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >>A brief message to relate that Stephen, Mary, Monya, Steven McD., Phil >>Louie, and myself met up with Our Founder this evening, and The Tape >>was at long last placed into his waiting hands. "OH, this is it! You >>have it with you!" he said. Photographs were taken and very graciously >>posed for (and taken by my friend Anna.) A good time was had by all. > >How neat that so many of our number were able to be there together to hand >off the present. Very cool. Makes me wish I'd had the time to participate. > >Looking forward to all the details! > >Cheers, > >Melissa > > >Melissa R. Jordan > >Special Projects Manager >International Programs Office >Goodwill Industries International, Inc. >(301) 881-6858, ext. 4567 >(301) 881-9435 (fax) > My Web Sites http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6745/tryagain.html http://members.tripod.com/~WheelerF/index.html Home (Page) Improvement!! Remember, I'm just a kid in the candy store. Little by little I'm getting there. Join me on the ride. El Franco ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #214 ***************************