From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #213 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, October 10 1997 Volume 02 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Party! [MsSakamoto ] Alloy: WHAT! [mr._funk@juno.com (Kel B O'Neil)] Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation [Frank ] Re: Alloy: What do we do? [Frank ] Alloy: Rat Derrieres [Melissa Jordan ] Alloy: Oops [Melissa Jordan ] Re: Alloy:... [RThurF ] Alloy: The tape! ["Mary A. Brown" ] Re: Alloy: WHAT! [Keith Dawe ] Re: Alloy: WHAT! [RThurF ] Re: Alloy: lyrics,.. [electrix ] Re: Alloy:... [electrix ] Re: Alloy: WHAT! [electrix ] Alloy: Thinline btw Genius & Insane [electrix ] Alloy: Damit Lem, I am Musician not a Scientist! [electrix ] Alloy: Miss Clever Girl [electrix ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:54:53 EDT From: MsSakamoto Subject: Re: Alloy: Party! In a message dated 97-10-09 09:29:03 EDT, RThurF@aol.com writes: > Suzanne - shall I prepare the big pile of cupcakes, or have you beaten me > to > it? Shall we go half and half? - --Suzanne-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:50:28 -0600 From: mr._funk@juno.com (Kel B O'Neil) Subject: Alloy: WHAT! I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? Thanx, Kel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:17:53 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: Alloy: Music: An Interpretation At 02:03 PM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >El Franco > >I just am - all the time - sorry. > >the_copse > There is no need for an apology. You have passed the litmus test. You are a worthy member of this unworthy world. Ha. Eres lo mejor. What does 'the_copse' signify? Why do I think you come from the UK? Tim Dunn is sure not done-in. You are feisty. Like Ed Asner used to say. El Franco My Web Sites http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6745/tryagain.html http://members.tripod.com/~WheelerF/index.html Home (Page) Improvement!! Remember, I'm just a kid in the candy store. Little by little I'm getting there. Join me on the ride. El Franco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:29:46 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: Alloy: What do we do? At 02:03 PM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >Interesting. > >At the moment I'm in between stages in the boring journey of life. I have >two job interviews coming up - one with the British Transport Police, and >one with a computer products company. I'm really torn between the two, with >a whole range of reasons why. I feel the police would be a better choice >personally and professionally, as I feel I need a career that I feel >matters, and I hate the careerism and capitalism and pointlessness of >business and commerce. I feel that having kept the streets clean and safe >for another day would be a much more useful way of spending my time than >selling some boring useless software for someone to make money with. > >However, a career with the police would tie me down to this country >indefinitely, and while this does not bother me, certain members of the >list will know that I have very pressing reasons to be more mobile - and >therefore to enter a field that is truly international (such as >scum-sucking capitalism) would be more geared towards wherever I might be >forced to wind up. Also I am not sure what kind of people I will encounter >in the police. Everyone has the stereotype image of the thick copper, and >it is undoubtedly true to some extent. However, as my views on the average >graduate are well known, sales may not be much better. > >Of course, what I'd really like to do would be to concentrate on my music. >My producer says I really ought to think about doing that, but it's >obviously not a realistic option, and I've certainly never seriously >considered it. > >As a point of interest, my brother has just signed a deal to have his first >book of poems published by OUP. He is 24. Bastard!! > >the_copse > Sounds like an intelligent brood. Frank My Web Sites http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6745/tryagain.html http://members.tripod.com/~WheelerF/index.html Home (Page) Improvement!! Remember, I'm just a kid in the candy store. Little by little I'm getting there. Join me on the ride. El Franco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:20:43 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Alloy: Rat Derrieres At 12:50 PM 10/9/97 -0600, Mr. Funk wrote: >I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR >STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? Nice way to join the neighborhood, Kel. Welcome to the dynamics of Alloy. If you are eager to see a Dolby-oriented conversation, why not start it? People will happy to join you. By the way, not only do I give a rat's ass now and then, I take 'em, too. They're like Green Stamps. If you collect enough, you can trade them in at a redemption center for a cheap set of golf clubs or a pine kitchenette dining set. I understand in smaller cities, a bag full of rats' asses will get you a few bucks, just like aluminum cans. - - Melissa, Rat Queen Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858, ext. 4567 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:01:53 -0400 From: Melissa Jordan Subject: Alloy: Oops I wrote: "People will happy to join you." Be, be, be. Sorry, I've spend the whole day in Russian mode. That kooky "to be" verb is noticably lacking from Russian, and it really does carry over into the English sector of my head... - - Melissa Melissa R. Jordan Special Projects Manager International Programs Office Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858, ext. 4567 (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:31:34 EDT From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy:... In a message dated 10/8/97 11:53:39 PM, E(lipse wrote: <<...is anyone else out there in Alloyland offended by the recent conversations? I for one find it enjoyable, and don't think anything anyone's said has been really rude, but that could well be my flawed perception. Alloyites? What do you all think...? << Nothing offends me, in fact I find it hard not to LAUGH AND LAUGH when electrix thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him is wrong :! Oh the fun!!! Robin the ill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:41:06 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: The tape! Hello Alloy Faithful! Well, Ian did a smashing job and the tape is now in our possession, ready= to = be delivered to the man himself in a few hours. All contributors should = pat = themselves on the back - great work everyone! Ian says we can expect our= = copies in about 3 weeks (the poor guy just started a new job and apparent= ly = his fiance's patience is running a little thin). Excitedly yours, Europa and Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: WHAT! On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Kel B O'Neil wrote: > I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR > STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? Well, I'm old here--been here since before Alloy was created--but I also agree with you, but in nicer terms of course. :) Everyone should remember that this group has many subscribers and not the group of ten that post regularily. (I feel like I'm peeking into some private party's conversation!) Alloy is for everyone and not an exclusive club after all. 'This list is my list, This list is your list...' ;-) - --Omega (who isn't very articulate today) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- omega@torfree.net Evangelion * Fushigi Yuugi * Maison Ikkoku * Marmalade Boy Brother, Dear Brother * Red Riding Hood Cha Cha * Oh My Goddess! King Crimson * Mike Oldfield * John Foxx * Gary Numan * David Bowie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:52:01 EDT From: RThurF Subject: Re: Alloy: WHAT! In a message dated 10/9/97 4:59:31 PM, Kel. wrote: <> Kel, Every now and then, we here at Alloy like to engage ourselves in virtually meaningless banter and unresolvable debates, for sheer entertainment only. Now. . .who's this "Dolby" character you wish to talk about? sorry, that was evil of me! YES, we discuss Thomas' music & all his other work VERY frequently - it just happens that a discussion about his music led us into other subjects. Conversations do tend to do that sometimes. And we generally consider ourselves on friendly terms with one another, which is why personal subjects are sometimes brought up. But through it all Thomas is our favorite subject here. So, cheer up and tell us about yourself. How did you become interested in Dolby? Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:01:57 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Re: Alloy: lyrics,.. Ulfstedt Louise NMP wrote: > > >When an artist deliberately > >makes the lyrics obtuse, I would like to know what he means by his > >work. Otherwise, who is to know whether the lyrics are nonsense lyrics Lissu > Beg to disagree! > > I particulary love what the singer Seal had to say about this, Yep, I remember that comment...but judging by some of his lyrics, (one hit in particular) promoted the inducement of drugs...I say this because I remember I was listening to the guy BEFORE he was popular, so I have no prejudice towards him. > I guess what I'm saying is that the song is always larger in the listeners > mind because with it > they attach imagery which is relative to their own personal experience. > So it is your preconception of what I'm saying rather than what I actually > say that is the key." > -------------- > I think that was nicely put! Absolutely agree...but all I am saying is that it wouldn't hurt for the artist to "interpret" his music. By the artist doing so, the individual's imagination can veer away from the small minority of psychopaths a la "Helter Skelter" and provide a ground for exposing different values of the artistic work. Other than that...yes... let the imagination play. > And I can ABSOLUTLEY guarantee that I'm not the intellectual-deadbeat-type. > (Hell, I'm probably no where near intellectual!) You know....you are not so transparent as you think... really! No joking. electrix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:10:02 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Re: Alloy:... I wouldn't worry about it...We are just tapping into some reserved thoughts and emotions that needed to be aired. Personally, I kinda like the different points of view...mean spirited or otherwise. I think I have been made aware of many things... Of course, getting 31 messages in my mailbox in one day is bordering on the insane. But better more than none!!! Some person once said: ALWAYS REMEMBER: NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU FEEL BAD WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. electrix Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > I would just like to say that I've been hitting D on most Alloy posts for > 2 days now. You guys are getting too rude and argumentative about a > subject that shouldn't provoke anyone. > > -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:12:26 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Re: Alloy: WHAT! Kel B O'Neil wrote: > > I'm new here, but....DO YOU PEOPLE EVER TALK ABOUT DOLBY OR JUST YOUR > STUPID PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT!? > > Thanx, > Kel. NOW, HERE IS ONE FOR MY ACT!!! electrix Welcome evil grin....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:06:46 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Thinline btw Genius & Insane RThurF wrote: > > In a message dated 10/8/97 11:53:39 PM, E(lipse wrote: > > <<...is anyone else out there in Alloyland offended by the > recent conversations? > > I for one find it enjoyable, and don't think anything anyone's said has > been really rude, but that could well be my flawed perception. > Alloyites? What do you all think...? > << > > Nothing offends me, in fact I find it hard not to LAUGH AND LAUGH when > electrix thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him is wrong :! Oh the fun!!! > > Robin > the ill Hey...I can't help it if the rest of the world hasn't caught up to me yet! Blrrrrrrrrrrr....!!!!! to you! electrix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:52:39 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Damit Lem, I am Musician not a Scientist! Lem Bingley wrote: > I didn't want to turn this into an argument, but hey, you took me up on one > of the few subjects where I do actually know what I'm talking about, as I > have a PhD in the physics of sound propagation. And since I wasted four > years of my life getting it, I do feel I should be able to win the odd > argument :-) OH GOOOODY!!!! Well...mister...you have just picked a fight with a physics lover. And you ain't going to get away with this. Let me say your argument is solid if taken verbatim. But you are using examples that obviously don't qualify in its isolation. Certainly, I am not here to write a tome, so I am generalizing...if this was a paper I would define my operating words and condition. Obviously, an atom by itself (or even in quantities depending on the matter)can't be expected to propagate sound. Also, to hear something would either require that item to be in a decibel range or it would take a tool, machine, etc. to AMPLIFY the vibration so as to be able to perceive the tone. The fact is ANY vibration emits a tone, whether we hear it or not, whether it is amplified or not. And because at the sub-atomic level we are dealing with quantum mechanics (totally unpredictable), we have went much too far on the main idea I was attempting to express. > Anyway, that's speculation because atoms don't make sounds. Of course they don't...but theoretically, a machine sensitive enough to register all sub-atomic particles should register those conditions and amplify the vibratory tones. But again, we are speaking in hypotheticals. > >Fact: Inaudible sounds deriving from a vibration can be amplified, at > >minimum synthesized, to hearing range. > > I think the word you're looking for is mixed - mixed with a pure audible > tone you'd be able to hear any content in an inaudible message. Granted, of course...Geeeez. You Doctorates are all alike. So, meticulous. > >Fact: Any vibration coming from a body positioned next to it, will > >influence that body, regardless of whether it is heard or not...we have > >here the basic principles of ELF and LEF. > > I have no idea what ELF and LEF are, but this is pure hokum. If a vacuum is > placed between bodies they can only effect each other electromagnetically, > not acoustically. And what separates atoms? Vacuum. Hey...we have been reading different schools of thoughts here. First of all, how can you not know what is ELF and LEF. Electomagnetic Frequency and Low Electromagnetic Frequency. So, you have just restated what I said. Now, I differ with you on the acoustical side. There has been experiments done on plants. Acoustics..meaning sounds affecting plants. That's the proximity I speak of. Although I might have suggested that a body next to another in one of my posting that was hypothetical and in jest. But it does not refute the fact that some people do not feel comfortable around each other. I usually hypothesize that there are vibrations (i.e sound, tone) each of the person perceives from each other and makes for this quaint reaction. Nothing proven...but certainly a thrown about theory, New Age, Metaphysics...have your pick. > > >Thus, the word "propagation" hinges on our ability to hear the > >condition. But it does not account for the inaudible. > > No, propagation means that energy is passed from one body to another - the > basic principle on which sound is based. This is a wording issue here... I didn't set out to define. I said it HINGES. Sound hinges on one hearing it. Before we take this goes any further. It is the ol' paradox, if a tree forest falls in the forest and you are in the city, does it make a sound. So Lem...the Doctor in the house...well hot dang!! Any more surprises? :-) Respectfully... e-mail me directly to avoid any neophytes the undue torture if you wish to continue. Although, I think we fundamentally agree. But you have decided to be meticulous. We are typing in circles here. electrix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:15:10 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Resonating Yuk! > >We live in a sea of silent sounds intermingling with each other. > >Inaudible sounds. > >The music we listen to sets the pace of its activity. > > >electrix > >Humbly tendered to Apollo Ulfstedt Louise NMP wrote: > Wow,..like,...does your brain ever hurt? What brain? > > Big Kiss! > > Lissu the deadbeat. YUK!....please dear...i do not need the disease of marriage spreading on me. Glad you feeling better!!! electrix The Insensitive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:39:18 -0700 From: electrix Subject: Alloy: Miss Clever Girl > electrix wrote: > *I would like to know if there is an artist in the crowd who can identify > *where this single musical source is coming from. The Brain? The Mind? > *Where? > > Everything comprising the body and mind of the artist are combined to become > a finely tuned instrument in and of itself, which are inseperable while the > artist is creating his/her work. Silly electrix! You have been working too long with those violins...but you are almost right though. > > *The listener interprets it the way he chooses to perceive > *it. Thus, it is possible to get message the artist didn't originally > *intend. However, the artist sometimes is even more surprise > *that his message can have an alternative meaning, solely because the > *musician has come to BELIEVE he CONTROLS the music. You see, "his" music > *just took its own course into the heart and mind of an individual. > > Personally, I don't think most artists set out to send some controlled > message to an audience. Well... let me tell you otherwise. Remember, the Beatles started it. And subliminal suggestions is still a big market since the Courts cannot rule on the definition of the mind. Plus, you haven't been checking out the latest on Brain Entrainment. Sorry baby, you are not at the forefront of vanguard musical information. Today's kids are getting smarter... > Often what is meant to be communicated is simply the > essence of a mood, or a story, or a moment in time. When people interpret my > or Dave's work in interesting ways we never thought of, we think it's > wonderful; it shows that the piece has genuinely touched another person in > some way. I don't know of any artist who thinks they control their work from > beginning to end, especially in other people's minds! Watch out..its coming to your town. > *I agree...I agree that I am constantly around a university environment. > *But does that diminishes the value of my point? > > Yes. > > (Just teasing!!! :) Oh Robin....what would I do without you.... electrix Your Bat Squeeze ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #213 ***************************