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alloy-digest          Sunday, October 5 1997          Volume 02 : Number 206



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Alloy: Post from Ian!!!!  ["Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.]
  Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation        [electrix <electrix@geocities.com>]
  Re: Alloy: Second language?          [Brian Clayton <stemish@kumr.lns.com>]
  Re: Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation          [Eclipse <eclipse@a.crl.com>]
  Re: Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation    [electrix <electrix@geocities.com>]
  Re: Alloy: Events, appearances, etc...                     [RThurF@aol.com]
  Alloy: Tape copies?                                        [RThurF@aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:40:40 -0400
From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Post from Ian!!!!

Ian asked me to forward this to y'all.  ---/\/\iles
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<BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE>

Hello Alloyance!

Here's the list I know you all have been hoping for! This is the =

first time I have been able to check my mail for over a week so it's =

funny that I brought the list with me! But here you go!

Songs:

The Copse-Flying North
Ian (me of course)- My Brain is...
Crackers- Nu Vogue
ELectrix- Windpower
Eric Habbinga- Weightless
Lee Jackson- Big Bang Backwards
Monya De- Cruel
Stephen Tilson/Mary Brown- Therapy In Growth

Songs to Be Received as yet:

Barbara Cohen- Hyper Active
Braida- Beauty of a Dream
Lissu- Pulp Culture
Miss Sakamoto- Close but no Cigar
and Robyn...?

Messages So Far:

Neil Leacy
Keith Stansell
Elaine Linstruth
Beth Meyer
Philip Louie
Eclipse

Are There any sent that I should have? Are there any not sent?

I will try to check my e-mail sunday or monday I hope you all have =

time to check this out and e-mail me before then.

THey all sound pretty excellent! So Goodluck and let me know soon =

what I can expect and I'll hold off till then but I really want to =

get cracking on this. It's going to be a lotta work and my main =

interest is to get the tape to T.M.D.R. --A.S.A.P.

I really think I can Give you all a quality product that you'll =

really enjoy! Once you get it make a copy cuz this'll be one to =

keep!!!!

SO, I guess I'll hear from you all soon. =


Any one who needs to call me can do so at

(519) 642-4339

I Still might need an address for TMDR if I can't get it out by the =

ninth!

SO Bye

Peace!

Wish Me Luck! It's going to be a hell of a task but It's been GREAT =

FUN so far!!!

Ian

<END FORWARDED MESSAGE>
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There ya go.  It looks like Lissu's contribution will make it after =

all, too!  Yay!  ---/\/\

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:50:41 -0700
From: electrix <electrix@geocities.com>
Subject: Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation

RTHur, E)clipse, Lem....

Very interesting interpretations of the lyrics. I suppose I am not that
far off from the your general view.  

I had this intense discussion with EL Franco regarding TDR lyrics. After
being predisposed to our little incident bout, it dawn on me that
people's mood, situation or station in life can taint the view of the
original intention of an author. There is an intimate interactivity
between the author of the lyrics and the listener's perception. I was
trying to explain to EL Franco what I (emphasized) understood from
lyrics he considered mostly abstract (I suppose we can say that TRD
lyrics are not as definite as, perhaps, the ones Frank Sinatra would
croon). 

This song has such a powerful positive statement, but wondered if my
interpretation was the proper one and how many people may have a
different perspective than myself. So, the EL Franco dialogue set me to
thinking.
					
				WINDPOWER

                    Switch off the mind and let the heart decide
                            who you were meant to be
                       Flick to remote and let the body glide
                              There is no enemy !

The first two lines indicate to me that we should sometimes listens to
our feeling instead of being preoccupied by the "logical" decisions of
life.  That by searching deep within we can  discover one's nature and
purpose in life. The last two lines follows that we must "let go" --
glide; and like a plane, just allow the power of the wind to guide us
into the right direction. And because we are going with the flow, there
is no resistance. No enemy. Things will follow along with no obstacles.

Now here is a quaint one:

			 Etch out a future of your own design
>> >                            Well tailored to your needs
>> >                     Then fan the flame and keep the dream alive
>> >                                 Of a continent
>> >                      A continent a continent a continent a -

We sometimes tend to follow that which is expected of us or we fall into
the rut of doing what others do. However, when we choose to adopt goals
and purpose truthful to our self-discovey, we need only to look for
those situations that would enhance and bolster that real nature that we
discovered in the first interpreted paragraph. We focus on things and
attract that which makes our real "beingness" possible.  
The last three lines I consider them to be goals and purpose wrapped as
this methaphorical dream. And by focusing, talking and getting
intimately involved with aspects of this dream, we keep it alive. We
commit ourselves to those purposeful activities. We push forward to
realize that dream that is as big as a continent. Again, notice that by
fanning the flame (that passion) there is an underlying theme of "wind
power" keeping our perspective in focus, therefore attainable. A dream
can become as big as a continent.

That's it for now...I am a tight schedule these days. This all I can
afford to express right now...will continue some other time.

I wonder if this matched the authors original intention?

electrix
To be continue...Happy New Year ya'll!.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Clayton <stemish@kumr.lns.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Second language?

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Beth Meyer wrote:

> Razumete?  Dobro.

My friend's brother-in-law is a famous dobro player...

er, never mind.

BC

- ---
 Brian Clayton          "It was very witty, but it wasn't my wittiness."
 stemish@kumr.lns.com                              -- Kurt Vonnegut 

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 13:23:20 -0700
From: Eclipse <eclipse@a.crl.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation

electrix...

Your interpretation of Windpower is pretty neat, it'll be interesting to
hear the rest of it.  Although -personally- (let me also emphasize that
bit. ;P ) I like slightly less complicated interpretations.. "Switch off
the mind and let the heart decide" - to me music (and poetry and
paintings and..) isn't for -thinking- about as much as feeling. :)

It's fun to hear what everyone thinks about TMDR's music, we're probably
all mostly "right" (whatever that means)

 -- E(lipse

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:05:08 -0700
From: electrix <electrix@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Windpower: Interpretation

Eclipse wrote:
> 
> electrix...
> 
> Your interpretation of Windpower is pretty neat, it'll be interesting to
> hear the rest of it.  Although -personally- (let me also emphasize that
> bit. ;P ) I like slightly less complicated interpretations.. "Switch off
> the mind and let the heart decide" - to me music (and poetry and
> paintings and..) isn't for -thinking- about as much as feeling. :)
> 
> It's fun to hear what everyone thinks about TMDR's music, we're probably
> all mostly "right" (whatever that means)
> 
>  -- E(lipse

Music is for feeling AND thinking in my books.  Depending on the authors
intent. By thinking I mean --- an artistic view is presented so as to be
reflected upon.

Windpower carries so much significance to me it boggles my imagination.

Take for example the theme of Earth, Air, Fire and Water is being used
subtlely.  Earth= Continent, Wind =Air, Fire=Flame, grain of sand=
alludes to Water nearby.  The author struggles to put Water into the
picture to be in balance with all the Elements. At this hyper-level,
however, the music has taken on its own entity. It does no longer
belongs to the composer. The music is its own "living entity" making its
way into the listener's life --- into our subsconcious, our archetypes. 
(There is a new branch of Science called Memetics. Memes are considered
the basic "living" unit that alters our thinkingness.  The brain/mind
being the recepticle and the meme being the software.)  

In a sense, we live in a world where we perceive not only the conscious
events but a parallel alternative in our primal beigness.  Also at this
level, we fall in love with the artistic work, which I believe the
Greeks named, uh... I forget, not Eros...maybe Gupi..(someone out ther
help me out). But we tend to mistakenly ascribe this love to the
composer since there is no tangible condition to grab a hold of.  That
is why adulation becomes common towards the artist instead of praising
the "living" art piece FOR itself. If we perceive music and words as an
animate entity, our perception of life would alter significantly.  We
would see that some words or music would instantly want to communicate
to us, others, would leave us at the wayside. Perhaps waiting to be
understood or looking for the willing "understandable" human listener.

Lyrics are the thinking vehicle. Melody, rhythm and harmony are the
emotive (feeling) vehicle. The underlying message of the lyric is the
glue to agreement or commonality. But the archetype OF the message
appeals to our deep subconscious where only that ether --- that parallel
universe --- exist to be ocassionally accessed by our consciousness as
realization. 

electrix

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:02:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alloy: Events, appearances, etc...

Melissa,

this is an excellent idea!! I have always hoped that something like "where's
Dolby" would come about. It seems it would be fairly easy for someone who
knows Thomas' publicity schedule to send a small notice to Alloy letting us
know. Perhaps Thomas prefers to surprise us instead? Or could he simply enjoy
the thrill of the pursuit - with us doing all the pursuing?!  :) !!

Anyway, I hope something can be arranged, because I missed out on that last
magazine interview :~

Robin 


In a message dated 10/4/97 5:54:50 AM, Melissa wrote:

<<This thought is not original - I stole it from another member of our little
enclave (and I hope said person won't mind), and I thought it was so good
that I thought I should throw it out to the group.  Since we are a small,
but loyal band of Dolby fans, don't you think it would be nice if someone
from Headspace might send us little little blurbs when TMDR is going to
make a public appearance at a lecture, etc., or when an interview is going
to be published?  Right now, we get information haphazardly, when an
Alloy-ite happens to see something somewhere.  While I think this
info-sharing among us groundlings is a great thing, wouldn't it be nice to
not have to hunt it down?  (Particularly since there is such great interest
in the group in being able to see and hear TMDR.)  

It wouldn't take much time at all to zap a three-liner to us, and it would
give us some regular recognition that our continued support and interest is
appreciated.

Any thoughts? (It would be a nice thing to have on a web site, too - hint,
hint - a little "Where's Dolby?" calendar noting lectures, etc...)  

Cheers,

Melissa

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: RThurF@aol.com
Subject: Alloy: Tape copies?

ARE copies of the birthday tape available only to contributors????

!!!!SIGH!!!! EYES rolling!! Dr Martens-clad STAMPING FEET!!!!!!!!!

okay, okay okay. . .I'm prepared to be understanding if this is really the
case. But please verify.

pout.

Robin

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