From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #151 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, August 7 1997 Volume 02 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update [Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulf] Alloy: Re: Come on Down! [Neil Leacy ] Alloy: a lurker wants to order!!! [PROCAT1@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Come on down! [Juha Takkinen ] Re: Alloy: Come on down! [Juha Takkinen ] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update [Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulf] Alloy: US Place-names [Lem Bingley ] Alloy: US Place-names [Sam Bailey ] Re: Alloy: tour cities [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy: TMDR Mention in WashPost [Robyn Moore ] RE: Alloy: Come on down! [John Schofield ] Alloy: Daily City Update ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Alloy: I sleep all night and I work all day. [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Clarification [Monya De ] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. [Monya De ] Alloy: City thang [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: US Place-names [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Meeting Netfriends [Eclipse ] Re: Alloy: Re: Come on Down! [Keith Stansell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:31:34 +0300 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: RE: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update Hi Crackers! Can I have a prelimnary dibbs on "Cruel" & "I Scare Myself",...I'll let you know in the next couple of days which,... Is that ok?? Thanks so much! Lissu ---------- >From: alloy >To: alloy >Subject: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update >Date: 5. August 1997 16:42 > >Precedence: bulk > > >Current Dibbs are... > >Crackers - Nuvogue >Lee Jackson - Radio Silence >The Copse - Flying North >Ian Gifford - My Brain Is Like A Seive >Ms. Sakamoto - Close But No Cigar >Robin XX - Urges >Electric - Windpower >Braenda - Beauty Of A Dream >Eric Habbinga - Weightless >Stephen M. Tilson - The Flat Earth >Europa - Airwaves >Barbara Cohen - Hyperactive > >One month left gang... get your dibbs in while you can. > >Also please let me know how exactly you'd like to see your name credited >on the J-Card (eg. Sister Susy Sakamoto of the Perpetually Juicey). > > >Here are the current Title submissions for Project B-Day. >If you want to submit a title do it by August 15th, because on August 15th >I'm going to call for votes on a title. > >Retrospectators >Amateurs and Hedonists >Airheads >Aliens Ate My Birthday Cake > > CRACKERS > (The cold breeze that makes your dibbs erect from hell!!!!) > > >-- > >Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ >*NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ >Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:49:20 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Alloy: Re: Come on Down! >Gotta love any town named for a game show! Surely there's a "Wheel of >Fortune, Idaho" or a "Price Is Right, North Dakota," too, no? Not quite the same league but I had to smile at a roadwatch warning broadcast this morning - "Due to recent heavy rain, drivers are warned of localised flooding near Puddletown..." I kid you not! :-D :-D :-D Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: PROCAT1@aol.com Subject: Alloy: a lurker wants to order!!! hi all, have been a lurker for some time, really love tmdr, have all his stuff, (well, some of the more obscure b-sides i'm lacking) saw him back in 1983(?) on the flat earth tour, and it was a great concert. sure would be nice to see him again!!! anyway, i would love to order a shirt just tell me where and how much to send!!! i don't always have time to read each and every post on a daily basis as i would like to. (however, anytime a compuserve id comes up, i look at it, as it may be our fearless leader himself!) so i hope i'm posting this correctly! anyway, if the concenus is to place the cities of alloy members, please allow me to add mine in. Calera, Alabama, USA. I figure since we've just now learned how to spell I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T here in the deep south, this may be the only chance to get alabama on the shirt!!! since i was born and raised here, i reckon i can say this without getting in trouble :) thz for including is "folks down here" mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:03:11 +0200 From: Juha Takkinen Subject: Re: Alloy: Come on down! Hi: mjordan@goodwill.org said: > Here's the list as of 10 p.m. Greenwich Mean Time today: I must have missed something during my vacation; are you collecting cities from the Alloy list (for the T-shirt)? In that case I would like to have "Linkoping, Sweden" on the tour list! TIA (actually, there should be two dots above the "o" in the name of the city :-) Cheers, /Juha - -- Juha Takkinen, M.Sc. juhta@ida.liu.se Troskaregatan 69:23 ph +46 13 21 16 92 SE-583 33 Linkoping, SWEDEN http://www.ida.liu.se/~juhta/ - -- "In the middle of a difficulty lies an opportunity." -- A. Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:59:27 +0200 From: Juha Takkinen Subject: Re: Alloy: Come on down! mjordan@goodwill.org said: > One of my personal favorites is Blue Earth, Minnesota. Just has a > nice ring to it. I just read about a small village in the middle of Sweden called Skal (Cheers! ... there should be a ring over the "a" in the name) that was complaining about its road sign being stolen all the time (I wonder why ;-) /Juha still here and back from vacation - -- Juha Takkinen, M.Sc. juhta@ida.liu.se Troskaregatan 69:23 ph +46 13 21 16 92 SE-583 33 Linkoping, SWEDEN http://www.ida.liu.se/~juhta/ - -- If you think the United States has stood still, who built the largest shopping center in the world? -- R. Nixon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:16:02 +0300 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update >If I remember right, you said this was going to him on a DAT. I have >a DAT here at the studio, so could you accept a DAT from me instead of >a chrome tape I second that question! >>Also please let me know how exactly you'd like to see your name credited >>on the J-Card (eg. Sister Susy Sakamoto of the Perpetually Juicey). Weeell,...Lissu should suffice. Crackers, who are we sending these things to now? Is our friend in Canada still collecting these bits n bob, or should we send them to you? And my computer crashed yesterday, taking all mails with it,....please could you send me your personal e-mail for these replies ,...the B-day stuff Thanks so much for bearing with me, Ta ta for now,... Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:37:10 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Alloy: US Place-names Melissa and Sam Bailey had a discussion thus: >>I didn't realize there was another Garland resident on the list; small >>world! Since Garland is already represented put me down for Truth or >>Consequences, New Mexico, USA. (I've never lived there but it's a great >>name) > >Gotta love any town named for a game show! Surely there's a "Wheel of >Fortune, Idaho" or a "Price Is Right, North Dakota," too, no? This reminded me of a great passage in Norman Maclean's book 'A River Runs Through It', where the Montana state surveyors are trying to catalogue the local rivers. The surveyors come across one waterway referred to by all the locals as Wet Ass Creek. Of course the surveyors are worried that this will offend the ladies back at the office that draw up the maps, but they are persuaded by the locals that there's no alternative name, and so they dutifully note it as Wet Ass Creek. When the maps come back, the cartographers seem to have have interpreted the surveyor's notes as a reference to a local Indian word, because the river appears on the map as Wetase Creek. And it's been like that on every map since. (Since Maclean's book is semi-fictional, I'd be keen to know if anyone can verify this as true?) Lem. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:40:31 -0700 From: Sam Bailey Subject: Alloy: US Place-names > When the maps come back, the cartographers seem to have have interpreted > the surveyor's notes as a reference to a local Indian word, because the > river appears on the map as Wetase Creek. And it's been like that on every > map since. > > (Since Maclean's book is semi-fictional, I'd be keen to know if anyone can > verify this as true?) Lem, I went out to the US Geological Survey page and did a quick search of their data bases for goelogical formations in Montana with the name "Wetase". They do not have anything listed with Wetase in the name. There data base is very extensive so there is a good probability that if Wetase Creek really did exsist at one time that the name has since been changed. Just a little more useless information that has absolutly nothing to do with TD. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:59:32 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: tour cities At 00.25 97.08.04 -0400, you wrote: The list as of right now (and it's just in alphabetical order, and has USA >designations in anticipation of entries from Suomi-folk and those from that >Green and Pleasant Land) is: > >Atlanta, Georgia, USA >Bethesda, Maryland, USA >Boston, Massachusetts, USA >Cincinnati, Ohio, USA >Garland, Texas, USA >Nashville, Tennessee, USA >Santa Rosa, California, USA Would you tack Portland, Oregon, USA onto the list, please? Thanks ever so. :) Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. - ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 01:10:21 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR Mention in WashPost At 00.29 97.08.04 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, all! > >Well, Our Fearless Leader was mentioned very briefly in a Washington Post >article today (well, already yesterday - Sunday) about Pop Up Videos on VH1. >There is a grainy still from "Science" and the pop up statistic on how many >animals are blinded by scientists every year. The very strange thing about >this is that, while I was reading the article, I heard a bite from "Science" >on tv (commercial for a "Hits of the '80's" CD set.) I just about got >whiplash turning toward the set. Heh. Okay, I just had to reply to this. Why? Because that spot showed up on my television about 15 seconds after I read the post. :) And since the subject's come up, has anyone else noticed just how many retro 80's collections that're advertised that 'Science' shows up on? "Sounds of The Eighties" is the only one that shows footage from the video that I'm aware of, but if you watch the content scroll on ads for other CDs, it appears on practically every non-specific collection there is. (As opposed to topic-specific CDs such as 'Guitar Rock'.) Sometimes I wonder what it must be like to have created one of those 'immortal' songs. Robyn @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:11:11 +-1000 From: John Schofield Subject: RE: Alloy: Come on down! Melissa, Could you mark me down for one 'Hobart, Tasmania, AUST' pleeeeeaaasssse. John (john@police.tas.gov.au) >>---------- >>From: Melissa R. Jordan[SMTP:mjordan@goodwill.org] >>Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 1997 6:12 >>To: alloy@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: Alloy: Come on down! >>At 11:47 AM 8/5/97 -0700, Sam wrote: >Your definately on a roll Mac! Let's not leave out a couple of my >personal favorite actual Texas towns: > >Earth, Texas, USA (Very oppropriate) >Paris, Texas, USA... >>One of my personal favorites is Blue Earth, Minnesota. Just has a nice ring >>to it. >>The earth can be as blue as you want it... >>It's been very quiet on Alloy today. Mass hysteria, perhaps? >>Still logging in tour locations... Crackers, others, where are you? >>Here's the list as of 10 p.m. Greenwich Mean Time today: >>Atlanta, Georgia, USA >>Bethesda, Maryland, USA >>Boston, Massachusetts, USA >>Chicago, Illinois, USA >>Cincinnati, Ohio, USA >>Croydon, UK >>Denver, Colorado, USA >>Garland, Texas, USA >>Half Moon Bay, California, USA >>Nashville, Tennessee, USA >>Orlando, Florida, USA >>Salisbury, UK >>San Francisco, California, USA >>San Mateo, California, USA >>Santa Rosa, California, USA >>Turku, Finland >>Cheers, all. >>- Melissa - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:33:21 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Daily City Update Hi, there, all. Don't want to clutter things up here, but, rest assured, I am compiling each tour city entry dutifully, and I'll post a listing periodically, so you can make sure I got your town listed. It's already quite a list: 21 cities, representing 2 continents, 4 countries, and 12 US states - California, most prominently, with 5 entries. I know we have at least two other countries represented (ahem, Australian person and Canadian "person from hell!") so, drop a line, guys!!! Paul Baily - with you, we can add a whole other continent! Obviously bored out of my mind in Bethesda, Melissa - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Alloy: I sleep all night and I work all day. Well gang, I had another Thomas Dolby dream last night. It wasn't a terribly interesting dream but Mr. Dolby was in it in an unusual way. In this dream I was hired to be a cook at a tree-planting camp in British Columbia (I guess they heard about my cajun pork chops and BBQ ribbs). It's just a summer job and I needed the money for tuition. So I pack my bag, grab my accordion and said goodbye to my pregnant wife and kid, and hopped on a train for B.C. (which got there in only a few minutes... bullet train eat your heart out). Well, I get there and I'm getting settled in, and who do I discover there? Thomas Dolby. A rather scruffy yet virile Thomas Dolby at that with tossled crop of hair, three day beard, barrel chest, and dressed like a lumberjack (and he's okay). Nobody else in the camp seemed to recognize him except me. I asked him what he was doing working as a tree planter and he gave me the "sick of L.A., fame, fortune, and phonies" cliche as well as saying he was absolutely sick to death of computers, technology, and the media. He said, "In 200 years my music will be forgotten, my computer programmes will have long since passed into obsolescence but there will be a thriving forest on this mountain and I will have helped plant it." Later that night we sat around the campfire playing music. There were a couple of guys on guitar, a guy with a fiddle, a fife player, and I was playing accordion and Thomas had a concertina (having given up electronic/electric musical instruments). It was a lot of fun and one of the guitar players started playing "I Scare Myself" not realizing that Thomas Dolby was sitting across from him accompaning him on concertina. The next day a CBC news crew came to do a story on tree planters and one of them recognized Thomas Dolby (who to the rest of the world had mysteriously dropped off the face of the earth). They hounded him for an interview and Thomas Dolby groupies started showing up by the bus load. Thomas ended up leaving the camp with a group of Sasquatch to live in the wilds of the B.C. Mountains. He just walked off into the woods (flanked by 7 foot "bigfoots") in slow motion while the paparatzi snapped pictures and shot questions at him. I was thinking that the Sasquatch looked like an entourage. After that things were sad and quiet in the tree planting camp. [Of course it should be noted that this dream had nothing to do with any sort of subconscious pressures I might be feeling from the modern world and was in all likelyhood solely inspired by a bit of a CBC newsworld story I saw on a documentary of Tree Planters I had seen earlier that day] CRACKERS (Bigfoot puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update Just to answer everyone's questions... Yes, Ian is still handeling the mastering of the tapes. Send your tape to... Ian Gifford 551 Colborne Street London Ontario Canada, N6B-2T9 And as far as I know the final tape is being sent to Mr. Dolby on Chrome cassette (as that is all I'm making the J-Cards for). But I think you're allowed to send in your submission on DAT. But you might want to include a 90 Minute Chrome cassette to get the album back on too. And don't forget return postage (and this is Canada, so if you don't live in Canada you'll have to send it as cheque or money order). And if you haven't picked your dibb yet, then get to it. Only a month left. CRACKERS (Go go go from hell!!!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Monya De Subject: Re: Alloy: Clarification I personally would like to leave out the URL or any reference to the list. It takes away from the mystery of it all, the secret society feel. It even detracts from dolby a little **************************** Monya De Faisan 202 Stanford University Mailing: P.O. Box 13503 Stanford, CA 94309 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Monya De Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. > 'Amateurs and Hedonists' > > Which I think better sums up the spectra of Alloy's members - none of us > being particularly heretical; but quite a few of us displaying hedonistic > tendencies. > > Flame replies to this remark should be addressed to null@bitbucket.com I disagree. I think we're all heretics. I've always thought of myself as one. Europa agrees, right ? :) Monya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: I sleep all night and I work all day. But the real question is: You cut down trees, but do you skip and jump and like to press wildflowers? - --Suzanne-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Heretics I think many of us here must be hedonists. I've always been! Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:04:23 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Heretics, er Hedonists, er. . Jeez, I meant heretics, not hedonists! I meant to say, I've always been a heretic, NOT a hedonist. See what happens to me after I've counted instruments all day?? Robin :) The Queen of Inventory ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: I sleep all night and I work all day. God, CRACKERS! I laughed so hard at your dream that I am now in pain!! Robin :) In a message dated 8/6/97 1:11:27 PM, CRACKERS wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Meeting Netfriends I met my husband in this way, also.. through the old dinosaur medium known as the BBS. (He was the *sysop* and I was a *user*. He still reminds me of that periodically.) I've also been to several "meets" with IRC friends. They've proven to be total riots, and these people are actual real-life friends of ours now. Meeting people you've become acquainted with online can be verrry interestink and quite the adventure. But Robyn is correct, either public places or large groups only. >> Has anyone else on the Alloy list experience of this type of thing? If >> so, how did it go? > > Actually, a large percentage of my friends IRL are people that I met online. > Not to mention that I met my husband on one of the former national services. > (QuantumLink, the forerunner of AOL, for the curious.) So, these things can > work out. :) I do advocate meeting people initially in public places, such > as restraunts and pubs, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: City thang Just loggin in, we're in Palmdale, California. I'd much rather be able to say Woodbridge, VA still, but my current run of so-so luck has me stuck on the left coast. :/ I did just return from a glorious two weeks on the right coast, dubbed the Pookie World Tour '97: my 6-month-old met to rave reviews in each of the 6 cities we toured. Remind me to never take public transportation in San Mateo. Also, to add to the strange-name city file: there is a place out here in the Mohave Desert called Zyzzxx or something (zizz-icks), but I don't know the history behind that one.. and there is a city called George in Washington state. I personally think that's kinda weird. Seeya :) Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: US Place-names On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Lem Bingley wrote: > When the maps come back, the cartographers seem to have have interpreted > the surveyor's notes as a reference to a local Indian word, because the > river appears on the map as Wetase Creek. And it's been like that on every > map since. For a second there I thought you were going to say it came back as "Wet Ass Cheek" instead of creek. hehe. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:14:16 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Meeting Netfriends Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > I met my husband in this way, also.. through the old dinosaur medium known > as the BBS. (He was the *sysop* and I was a *user*. He still reminds me > of that periodically.) I've also been to several "meets" with IRC > friends. They've proven to be total riots, and these people are actual > real-life friends of ours now. I met -my- boyfriend (of two years) that way too! The SysOp (him)/user (me) thing still comes up every now and then. (After I met him I stopped BBSing, since I realized that The Golden Age of BBSes was basically over, and the only people on them now are bored depressed highschoolers...) > Meeting people you've become acquainted with online can be verrry > interestink and quite the adventure. But Robyn is correct, either public > places or large groups only. Most of my other friends are people I met originally on-line, usually the RL meetings have been with third parties that we both already know in RL, so that's not practical in most cases... but public places and/or large groups are a very good idea. And have something to -do-, so you don't just stand there and stutter at eachother. ;) (at least in this case, it won't be hard to agree on music, should that come up.. ;) ) - -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:53:14 -0700 From: Keith Stansell Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Come on Down! This reminds me of when I was a kid and the news was "Two Waterproof youths drowned in the Mississippi River." or something to that effect. They were from Waterproof Louisiana, which is near my home town of St. Joseph, Louisiana. Neil Leacy wrote: > .... > Not quite the same league but I had to smile at a roadwatch warning > broadcast this morning - > > "Due to recent heavy rain, drivers are warned of localised flooding > near > Puddletown..." > > I kid you not! :-D :-D :-D > > Regards, > > Neil Leacy > IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) > > ==================================================================== > For further information on child car seats designed and produced by > Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at > > http://www.britax.co.uk/ > > ==================================================================== - -- Keith Stansell Denver, CO __________________________________________________ http://www.concentric.net/~kasman ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #151 ***************************