From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #142 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, July 29 1997 Volume 02 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: _Airwaves_ bridge needed [MsSakamoto@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Clarification [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: RE: England 98 [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Clarification [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. [crackers@hwcn.org] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. [MsSakamoto@aol.com] Alloy: Clarification ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Barbara's t-shirt design ["Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Clarification At 21:58 25/7/97 -0700, Brian wrote: >So, it seems best to me just to carry out Barbara's original version. >[Please note: Barbara paid me nothing to say this. Really. No, really.] >Perhaps something can be done with "Fruit Juice Everywhere" on the next >shirt....uh, we ARE going to do one once a year, aren't we? :) I would never say that Fruit Juice Everywhere sucks (I've offended Melissa once in the past and don't wish to do it again...) but I agree with the sentiment's Brian expressed above. Melissa's original Fruit Juice suggestion should be lauded as a great and inspired idea that led to the creation of a t-shirt - but we shouldn't feel constrained to force the phrase on top of someone else's artwork in a way that (in my opionion) dilutes both Barbara's and Melissa's ideas. Melissa's original idea was an in-joke shirt that gave no clues, whereas Barbara's beautiful tribute-to-Dolby-type shirt is a very different beastie. So anyway, I would like to see the shirt as designed, with alloy@smoe.org on the back. Lem. **Dr Bingley rejects Fruit Juice, and things Juicy** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: England 98 In a message dated 7/26/97 11:28:19 AM, Slarvi wrote: << I don't know about ALL meeting up for dinner. Lem is in London, I'm in Manchester and I'm not sure where Neil is (Lecieseter rings a bell for some reason, but it could be my grey cells playing tricks on me again). It's not just going to be a half hour trip for one or more of us. And I'm not sure that 'bizarre' is quite the expression I'd use for visiting me. 'Awkward' might be nearer the mark. I personally have reservations about this kind of meeting, possibly because face to face is rather different from prattling on via e-mail or the chat room. Perhaps I just need a bit more time to get used to the idea. It's over 12 months away, so I may be OK if I start a course of therapy right away. >> Well. . . Our plans for the trip are not figured out by a long shot. Dave has never been to Britain & there are some things I want to show him, especially in Edinburgh and Glasgow which seem to be arts/crafts centers (at least educationally). I was thinking it could be like a honeymoon for us - we never took one when we got married nearly 6 years ago! To see Portmerion would be like a big hallucination after watching the show for so long. I'd want one of those bicycles to ride around, do they have them? I figured all of us probably couldn't really get together in England for a single dinner, given the different cities and all (though it WOULD be cool!) Since we are so much in the planning stage right now I can't say where we'll end up for certain, but if we were to run into each other, it would probably be a little awkward - but it wouldn't really bother me that much - I'm never the most graceful creature on God's earth to begin with! For instance, my natural habitat is my and Dave's front room art studio, I would rather go to an observatory with a small group of friends than to a crowded party, I love to see other people's snapshot albums, I've never driven a car in my life, one beer knocks me on my butt, and I don't think anyone could ever do anything to phase me, thanks to being in the arts for so long (except by being violent, manipulative, or a petty gossip). Social awkwardness is bound to be the result, and I'm so used to it that it didn't even occur to me! Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:15:57 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Alloy: Clarification On Mon, Jul 28, 1997 at 11:57:50AM +0100, Lem Bingley wrote: > So anyway, I would like to see the shirt as designed, with alloy@smoe.org > on the back. Whoa, there! I'd like to request that the shirt NOT have alloy@smoe.org on it, as people may tend to mail directly to the list to try to subscribe (causing Paul and myself a bit of pain). What I've done for other lists who want to 'advertise' the list is to set up an infobot on the address alloy-info@smoe.org. It then returns information about the list no matter what is sent to it. You can then put the alloy-info@smoe.org address on the shirt. All I need to set up the infobot is the message it will send...Someone can take a look at what jewel-info@smoe.org sends for an example of what should be included. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: crackers@hwcn.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. Current Dibbs are... Crackers - Nuvogue Lee Jackson - Radio Silence The Copse - Flying North Ian Gifford - My Brain Is Like A Seive Ms. Sakamoto - Close But No Cigar Robin XX - Urges Electric - Windpower Braenda - Beauty Of A Dream Eric Habbinga - Weightless Stephen M. Tilson - The Flat Earth Europa - Airwaves One month left gang... get your dibbs in while you can. Also Here are the current Title submissions for Project B-Day. If you want to submit a title do it by August 15th, because on August 15th I'm going to call for votes on a title. Retrospectators Amateurs and Heretics Airheads Aliens Ate My Birthday Cake CRACKERS (Hurry hurry hurry from hell!!!) - -- Accordionist - Wethifl Musician - Atari 2600 Collector | /\/\ *NEW CrAB URL* http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html ***| \^^/ Bira Bira Devotee - FES Member - Samurai Pizza Cats Fan| =\/= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:25:29 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. Crackers wrote: >Also Here are the current Title submissions for Project B-Day. >If you want to submit a title do it by August 15th, because on August 15th I'd like to modify my suggestion/add another, to wit: 'Amateurs and Hedonists' Which I think better sums up the spectra of Alloy's members - none of us being particularly heretical; but quite a few of us displaying hedonistic tendencies. Flame replies to this remark should be addressed to null@bitbucket.com Lem. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:50:38 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Alloy: Englan 98 and the Titanic thing... >I don't know about ALL meeting up for dinner. Lem is in London, I'm in >Manchester and I'm not sure where Neil is (Lecieseter rings a bell for >some reason, but it could be my grey cells playing tricks on me again). Them grey cells just ain't what they used to be . I actually live in Salisbury, about eight miles from Stonehenge. But if you do head in this vicinity (sp?) our door is open. BTW - The Titanic has been an interest of mine ever since watching the film of her dicovery on the ocean floor and I had heard of the coincidence before. But seeing as this is a mailling list originally based on music here is my review of a favourite pieces of music... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sinking of the Titanic - Gavin Bryars An ideal companion for this album is Dr. Robert Borland's account of his search and discovery of the remains of the Titanic. The tragic majesty shown by the accompanying photographs really brings home the aching sadness of this hour long version of the composers original work. The dying sounds of the ocean liner introduces the listener to the first variation of the hymn (Autumn) which was apparently played by the Titanic's orchestra at the very end. The variations of the hymn that follow are made more haunting by the deep resonance of the background timbres - possibly representing the aural presence of the Titanic. Though I wouldn't class it as ambient the mix of acoustic instruments and ethereal sounds makes this an album that today's ambient fans would find interesting. Throughout, the recording is interspersed with sounds (including actual interviews with survivors) which enhance rather than intrude; for me in particular is the poignant sound of the ships bell. And as the final track fades (there are 11 in all with no discernable break) the silence left behind is filled with the listeners own thoughts of that tragic moment when the Titanic's maiden voyage was brought to an end. How many albums can truly be called haunting? Well this one certainly can. And while it leaves this listener a little sad at the end it is not a depressing album. One for those more contemplative moments. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Disclaimer: I've nothing to do with Gavin Bryars. These are just my own views as a lover of new age and contemporary music. Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Clarification On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > Whoa, there! > > I'd like to request that the shirt NOT have alloy@smoe.org on it, > as people may tend to mail directly to the list to try to > subscribe (causing Paul and myself a bit of pain). Good point. The info-bot would be better, or perhaps a URL for an Alloy information page. BC - --- Brian Clayton "The main motive for going beyond the Rim... stemish@kumr.lns.com there's a heck of a big Taco Bell out there..." -- J. Michael Straczynski ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Project B-Day Dibbs Update. In a message dated 97-07-28 11:18:12 EDT, lemb@computerwire.com (Lem Bingley) writes: > 'Amateurs and Hedonists' That gets my vote! - --Suzanne-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:11:50 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Clarification re: Fruit Juice Everywhere Brian wrote: > > So, it seems best to me just to carry out Barbara's original version. And Lem wrote: > but we shouldn't feel constrained to force the phrase on top of > someone else's artwork in a way that (in my opinion) dilutes both > Barbara's and Melissa's ideas. =2E. leaving me to think there's a misunderstanding here. The suggestion= was *not* to place the "F.J.E." text on TOP of the "Dolby Rejects" image, or even ABOVE it, but on the back of the shirt. Right? Just checking . . . While we're on the subject, it has been privately mentioned to me that: 1) the text "Mr. Dolby Rejects Science And Things Scientific" is a bit busy for a t-shirt, and 2) the font will have a tendency to "close up" when printed on fabric. i.e. the inner portions of the letters M, R, D, O, B, (and sometimes) Y, to name a few will fill with ink and not transfer cleanly to the shirt. Further, it has been suggested that to rectify these and other concerns w= e replace that text with "ALLOY". What a novel idea, huh? Comments, please. Esteemed colleagues, I return the floor to you. /\/\iles to go yet, it seems . . . "Let us grasp the bull by the tail, and face the situation" --- W.C. Fields ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:53:46 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Barbara's t-shirt design I think I voted quietly once on the t-shirt design thingy, but, in case I didn't, I just wanted to say that I think Barbara's design is way cool, and it gets my vote. I'm not bothered at all by the lack of desire for "Fruit Juice Everywhere" on the shirt. After all, I just wrote it in jest many moons ago. And heck, being (theoretically, at least) a maker of funky hand-painted clothing, I can make my own "fruity t" any old time I want! I'm looking forward to seeing the end result of all this fashion debate, but I'm getting a little anxious for the debate to be over and the production to begin (that's the "instant gratification American" in me talking!) I'd never make it in Congress, I fear! Back to editing the report from hell. (Sorry, Crackers, borrowed your phrase!) Cheers, all. - - Melissa - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. 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