From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #139 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, July 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: name change! [Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP)] Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Re: Alloy: Dream! ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Alloy: Oops ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP [Frank ] Re: Alloy: T-shirt vote and monies... [Eclipse ] Alloy: T-Shirt Slogan ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP [Ian ] Re: Alloy: a belated bio [Ian ] Alloy: Taking us for a spin ["Mary A. Brown" ] Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP [churt@ddiscoveries.com (Christopher S. H] Alloy: Clarification [Brian Clayton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:17:58 +0300 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: Alloy: name change! [congratulations Lissu! All changed at Alloy's end. -PB] Hi All!!, In case any of you want to get hold of me in future, please make sure that you change my email address from: louise.clay-harrison@nmp.nokia.com to louise.ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (My university mail box name hasn't changed.) Yep,..I finally did it,.....got married 2 weeks ago,...the name has changed! and now,....back to the grindstone! Take Care! T: Louise (aka Lissu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:13:38 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP Greetings Fellow ALLOY Member, A short time ago you expressed interest in owning your very own ALLOY = t-shirt. We are essentially ready to go into production at this point. = However, we need a little help from you. If you have missed what is going on, here's a recap. The project manager= , = Karen Bell of Great Silkie Artwear, has recommended using the "Mr. Dolby = Rejects . . ." image, as suggested by Barbara A. Cohen. This can be done= on = Black, White, and as an alternate to White, Natural colored t-shirts. Th= e = shirts will be high quality 100% cotton, in either crew-neck or (ladies) = scoop-neck styles. The cost for this will be $15.00 U$, or $18.50 for no= n-U$ = funds ($3.50 exchange fee per transaction), and would include our choice = of = text on the back of the shirt. Shipping is additional. The issues yet to be resolved are mostly text related. I need your help = deciding what we're going to say and where. There have been two main = variations so far: one, from Brian Clayton, as follows. `"Mr. Dolby Reje= cts = =2E . ." on the front and "ALLOY" on the back.' The other, from myself, = as = follows: Both "Mr. Dolby Rejects . . ." and "ALLOY" on the front with = "ALLOY" justified above the picture, and "Fruit Juice Everywhere!" on the= = back as per my artwork submission (this was Melissa's original idea, and = the = initial impetus for the project, as I recall). I recall --- Here is Melissa Jordan on May 15 . . . "We should get our own "Secret Society" t-shirts that have some sort of f= unky = image on the front and just the words "fruit juice everywhere" on the bac= k." Perhaps you have your own suggestion about text and image? Please post i= t. = Or, would you please choose one of the current suggestions so we can get = a = majority consensus? Two folks have come forward so far (Europa and Melis= sa) = casting their lot with the fruit juice idea, and Ms. Sakamoto has seconde= d = Brian's suggestion, but we're all willing to go with the majority. So --= - - = speak up --- the time is NOW! Impatiently yours, Stephen /\/\iles P.S. I am posting this to each person who showed interest in the shirt, = and = to ALLOY in case I missed anyone. Let me know if I missed you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:11:12 +0300 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: RE: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP Hi Mr. Miles et.al > The cost for this will be $15.00 U$, or $18.50 for non-U$ >funds ($3.50 exchange fee per transaction), and would include our choice of >text on the back of the shirt. Shipping is additional. This is fine, but how would we really go about paying from outside of the U.S.,...would Visa suffice, or does it have to be something else,...I'm willing to arrange for and send US dollars if need be,...but I could do with knowing what's most convinient,... >The issues yet to be resolved are mostly text related. I need your help >deciding what we're going to say and where. There have been two main >variations so far: one, from Brian Clayton, as follows. `"Mr. Dolby Rejects >. . ." on the front and "ALLOY" on the back.' The other, from myself, as >follows: Both "Mr. Dolby Rejects . . ." and "ALLOY" on the front with >"ALLOY" justified above the picture, and "Fruit Juice Everywhere!" on the >back as per my artwork submission (this was Melissa's original idea, and the >initial impetus for the project, as I recall). >I recall --- Here is Melissa Jordan on May 15 . . . >"We should get our own "Secret Society" t-shirts that have some sort of funky >image on the front and just the words "fruit juice everywhere" on the back." I also second the Fruit-juice idea,.....but of course I'll take whatever the consensus goes for! hot-and-flustered-dammit-why-am-I-back-in-the-office-summery-greetings: Lissu :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:36:20 +0300 From: Louise.Ulfstedt@nmp.nokia.com (Ulfstedt Louise NMP) Subject: Alloy: a belated bio Hi All! After finally getting around to it, here's the bio I mea'nt to send before I left for the wedding,....if you've nothing to do, or suffer from insomnia,..here's the cure! Forgive me please John,...I used your template,..(imitation being the sincerest form of flattery and all that) Bio of a stainless steel alloy finnified professional lurker ------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Louise Ulfstedt (was Louise Clay-Harrison until 2 weeks ago) Handle: Lissu (silly Finnish nickname, but don't blame me, my workmates find Louise impossible to pronounce) Age: 25 Marital Status: Married (just) Family: a lot of plants and a pentium 120, and my bike, and another techie called Max Occupation: global stuff for a multi-national telecommunications firm, doubling up as everybody's IT support in our office (lissu,....can you come over here for a minute,..?) Hobbies: playing the guitar/singing, spending way too much time in the net,mountain biking,mucking about with my pet pent,gaming (MDK,..tomb raider,..what i bloody nerd I am), sitting in the midnight sun sipping icy-cold larger,.. Music: Mr. Dolby's (goes without saying), Jeff Buckley, Brian Ferry, Seal, Mike Oldfield, Clannad, The Fixx, Pink Floyd, Depeche Mode, all kinds of Folk music ( grew up with it), all kinds of House music (fell in love with it), Techno, Jazz, well,...everything, I s'pose... Movies: Love em all, but my fave is Blade Runner, closely followed by Star Wars, Roxanne, Clueless, From Dust Till Dawn, Aliens, Piano, anything by Luc Besson,..(Subway, Leon etc,....wasn't The Fifth Element just GREAT???!! ) TV: Dare I say the X-Files without everyone throwing tomatoes at me,...okay then,...I won't. and Red Dwarf. And The Prisoner. Art: Another big Jim Burns fan here,..also see Mike Wilks. Anything cool. Authors: Anne McCaffrey, Terry Pratchett, Peter Hoeg ( I keep getting reminded of Ren and Stimpy whenever I see his name),William Gibson, and, dammit,..the guy who wrote Snow Crash, I forget his name,.. and all that,...and the kids writer Margaret Mahy,.. Likes: partying, collapsing on the sofa in front of the tv/stereo after work,..and,..ahem,.... Dislikes: Finnish beer (too gassy), TV shopping channels, Soap Operas (ALL),racism, thoughtlessness, narrowmindedness, people who try to put me down at work, bland food, and getting up in mornings. Location: Turku, a beautiful wee town set on a river and by the archipelago/sea in milder south-west finland. I live in a gorgeous old woodern house in the old quarter of town,...which goes by the very strange name of Port Arthur,.(or Portsa for short) not exactly Finnish,..I'm trying to find out the history behind this,...) Claim to fame: My mum was at school with Sting,..oh,..and I had a chat with the Pet Shop Boys a couple of weeks back when I was singing at the same rock festival out here as them. Didn't have the heart to tell them that I can't stand their music. Tipple: Tea, the odd Single Malt, Wild Turkey Bourbon once in a while,..and a weird liking for Fernet Branca. In the winter,..hot rum toddies,...(so I can feel my toes again) Thank-you for indulging me too. Thanks for the tempalte John. have an ace summer! Kiss Kiss, Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:06:03 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Alloy: T-shirt vote and monies... Hi all, Can someone please remind me of the web site address for the t-shirt artwork. I'm also a bit confused. What's happened to the "... that's why people fall in love" idea (my particular favourite)? As for monies I'm still quite happy to sort things out at this end for UK and European readers. Can someone work out general postage and packing costs to the UK (though I might be able to work something out with our US sister company... I'll let you know). Don't forget I'm up for 2 shirts (xl). Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:20:47 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirt vote and monies... At 11:06 25/7/97, Neil wrote: >Can someone please remind me of the web site address for the t-shirt >artwork. http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb/artwork.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:04:02 -0400 (EDT) From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Dream! Melissa, I just had a really vivid dream about you! I dreamt we met at my job, and that you turned out to be my 36-year-old co-workers' daughter. I was really surprised about the whole thing! This woman, in reality, is not married and has no children. You kept saying what a small world it is. WEIRD!! Then, after that, I dreamt of alien abductees from antiquity talking about sporks (spoon/fork combo) before they EVER WERE INVENTED. In the dream I kept telling everyone how this was undeniable proof of the 'visitors' existence & their use of time travel ! Robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:11:48 -0500 From: Sam Rauch Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirt vote and monies... Alloyists, So, so sorry for being out of the loop, but I don't understand the significance of "Fruit Juice Everywhere..." I'll bet I am way off base here and probably missing the whole point, but what the hey... I think "The Earth can be any shape you want it" sounds kind of cool. Don't mean to start a flurry of new requests for what goes on the shirt, but I think I'm missing something. Gonna check out the artwork soon. The URL seems to be pretty lagged right now. Ok, I'll be quiet now. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:41:57 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Dream! How weird! I had two really vivid dreams while I was in Spokane last week - one I wrote about in the (theoretically closed) Tap Room - it was about Gianni Versace - the night before he was murdered! - and the other was just hysterically funny. I dreamed that my best friend was the Antichrist, but, instead of a "666" on his head, he had two "333's" in baby blue on his scalp. Then, a stranger arrived - a large, hairy man - and he claimed to be the Antichrist, which he proved by dropping his drawers to show a large "666" tattooed on one hairy buttcheek - with little smiley faces in the loop on each six! I'm guessing it was the two lime vodka/medori cocktails I had before dinner that night... How are you guys doing up there? My life is in chaos right now, as I try to get my little business on its knees (I'm not anywhere near "on its feet" status yet) *and* I look for new work. Also, I'm starting a 12-week personal training program at the Y next Monday ($50 for 12 weeks of personal physical training just rocks around here!), so I'm getting psyched to be pushed to my limit (which isn't very far right now!) I'm so envious that you're going to the UK next year. I miss London soooo much. I could go back there at the drop of a hat. If you guys want to borrow one of my London Streetfinders, your welcome to do so. You must go to Camden Lock on the weekend to visit the market area (just get off at the Camden tube stop on the Northern Line and follow the hordes.) Back to pretending to work - really working on the narrative for my web site... Cheers, M. At 10:04 AM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Melissa, I just had a really vivid dream about you! I dreamt we met at my >job, and that you turned out to be my 36-year-old co-workers' daughter. I was >really surprised about the whole thing! This woman, in reality, is not >married and has no children. You kept saying what a small world it is. > >WEIRD!! > >Then, after that, I dreamt of alien abductees from antiquity talking about >sporks (spoon/fork combo) before they EVER WERE INVENTED. In the dream I kept >telling everyone how this was undeniable proof of the 'visitors' existence & >their use of time travel ! > >Robin :) > - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:50:39 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Oops Sorry, my last message, in response to Robin's dream about me, should have gone out to Robin's personal address, but I just blithely hit the "send" button. Heh! Oh well - it's nothing I wouldn't have sent out to the Tap Room (which seems to hanging on in a semi-comatose state) on any given day! Back to pretending to work, so they can pretend to pay me... Cheers, Melissa, waiting for Dick and Ed to drop off my $10,000,000 check... - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:54:16 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP I'm going to pass on this T-shirt thing. Frank Wheeler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:08:33 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: T-shirt vote and monies... Sam Rauch wrote: > > Alloyists, > > So, so sorry for being out of the loop, but I don't understand the > significance of "Fruit Juice Everywhere..." > > I'll bet I am way off base here and probably missing the whole point, > but what the hey... > > I think "The Earth can be any shape you want it" sounds kind of cool. > Don't mean to start a flurry of new requests for what goes on the shirt, > but I think I'm missing something. Gonna check out the artwork soon. > The URL seems to be pretty lagged right now. "The Earth can be any shape you want it" has always been one of my favorite Dolbyisms, right up there with 2 + 2 = 5.25... "Fruit Juice Everywhere" is kinda cool, but it's so.. pop? It just doesn't seem to have that special Dolby-ness to it. and "..rejects since and things scientific" would be tantamount to heresy among some of my friends! I haven't decided if that's a pro or a con yet though... ;) My $.02 -- E(lipse "qae-zi Earth tile lorr mik`me oya" eclipse@a.crl.com http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2082/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:36:23 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: T-Shirt Slogan Hi, folks! Since there seems to be consensus about the image to be used (am I right there?), why not just run a list of the suggested phrases/words/etc. get a quick vote, with, say, until next Friday to vote (giving folks who don't check in every day or may be traveling a chance to get their say in), tally those babies, and then run with the democratically chosen phraseology? Looking forward to something new to wear... Cheers, Melissa - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:40:53 -0400 From: Ian Subject: Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP Frank wrote: > > I'm going to pass on this T-shirt thing. Frank Wheeler Sorry but me too! I just have way too many t-shirts and collar shirts (I actually am listed in the Guiness book of world records as having the largest collection of loud funky casual type shirts in the universe from silk to polyester and every colour in the rainbow- by the way Melissa 85% are from Goodwill "$1.00 a bag Day" Sales----Goodwill ROCKS!!) Now if you wanted to create something like "Dolby Jeans" not only would I buy them but I'd be willing to model them in the "FES" site pages!! Something for Y'all to chew on hmmmmmmm? - -- - ---Ian Gifford (flirp/folkie) mailto:giffordstrasser@oiart.org =^.^= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:34:53 -0400 From: Ian Subject: Re: Alloy: a belated bio Ulfstedt Louise NMP wrote: > Marital Status: Married (just) Congrats and Best wishes from me! :^) > Hobbies: playing the guitar/singing Do you write? And are you planning to record a song for the Alloy "project B-day" thang? Put your dibbs on something quick!! > Music: Mr. Dolby's (goes without saying), Jeff Buckley, Brian Ferry, Seal, > Mike Oldfield, Clannad, The Fixx, Pink Floyd, Depeche Mode, all kinds of > Folk music ( grew up with it), Any Fave Folk artists? > Movies: Love em all, but my fave is Blade Runner, closely followed by Star > Wars, Ridley Scott's directors cut rocked didn't it? However the Star Wars remakes or "refinements" (whatever) just sucked! > have an ace summer! Thanks and you too! I am doin' the festival circuit from hell this year (sorry Crackers ;^) as a techie volunteer type guy (now if I could only convince someone to give me money for this...) - -- - ---Ian Gifford (flirp/folkie) mailto:giffordstrasser@oiart.org =^.^= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:08:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: Taking us for a spin To those who may be unaware, In the August issue of Spin magazine not only is there a still from the Pop-Up Videos version of Science, but there is also a short interview with our own Lee Jackson! Can we all cite you as our brushes with fame for our Alloy bios, Lee? Europa ________________________________________________________________________________ Mary A. Brown, Genetic Ingenue | Department of Biochemistry Phone: (606) 257-7039,-7349 | University of Kentucky Fax: (606) 323-1037 | 800 Rose St. E-mail: mabrown@pop.uky.edu | Lexington, KY 40536-0084 "I've got a pocket full of holes/Head in the clouds/The king of fools" Iva Davies _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:00:36 -0400 From: churt@ddiscoveries.com (Christopher S. Hurt) Subject: Re: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP I'll stand with the "Fruit Juice" folks, but will accept the majority decision. Regards CSHurt - ---- From: Stephen M. Tilson To: BlindCopyReceiver:; Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 4:29 AM Subject: Alloy: ALLOY t-shirt / RSVP Greetings Fellow ALLOY Member, A short time ago you expressed interest in owning your very own ALLOY t-shirt. We are essentially ready to go into production at this point. However, we need a little help from you. If you have missed what is going on, here's a recap. The project manager, Karen Bell of Great Silkie Artwear, has recommended using the "Mr. Dolby Rejects . . ." image, as suggested by Barbara A. Cohen. This can be done on Black, White, and as an alternate to White, Natural colored t-shirts. The shirts will be high quality 100% cotton, in either crew-neck or (ladies) scoop-neck styles. The cost for this will be $15.00 U$, or $18.50 for non-U$ funds ($3.50 exchange fee per transaction), and would include our choice of text on the back of the shirt. Shipping is additional. The issues yet to be resolved are mostly text related. I need your help deciding what we're going to say and where. There have been two main variations so far: one, from Brian Clayton, as follows. `"Mr. Dolby Rejects . . ." on the front and "ALLOY" on the back.' The other, from myself, as follows: Both "Mr. Dolby Rejects . . ." and "ALLOY" on the front with "ALLOY" justified above the picture, and "Fruit Juice Everywhere!" on the back as per my artwork submission (this was Melissa's original idea, and the initial impetus for the project, as I recall). I recall --- Here is Melissa Jordan on May 15 . . . "We should get our own "Secret Society" t-shirts that have some sort of funky image on the front and just the words "fruit juice everywhere" on the back." Perhaps you have your own suggestion about text and image? Please post it. Or, would you please choose one of the current suggestions so we can get a majority consensus? Two folks have come forward so far (Europa and Melissa) casting their lot with the fruit juice idea, and Ms. Sakamoto has seconded Brian's suggestion, but we're all willing to go with the majority. So --- speak up --- the time is NOW! Impatiently yours, Stephen /\/\iles P.S. I am posting this to each person who showed interest in the shirt, and to ALLOY in case I missed anyone. Let me know if I missed you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: Clarification I thought I'd clarify the reasoning behind my T-shirt vote, for those undecided (or otherwise!): 1) As this is an Alloy project, "Alloy" should go somewhere on the shirt. 2) Placing "Alloy" on the front of the shirt, I believe, distracts from the impact of the artwork. Therefore, it should go on the back. 3) As much as I like the lyrics to "Weightless," I've come to conclude that taking "Fruit Juice Everywhere" out of context and putting it on a T-shirt just doesn't impress me much at all. Displayed alone, it more likely will generate confusion, not amusement. Granted, this could be said for just about any lyric (depending on who you ask), including, "Mr. Dolby Rejects..."; but--more to the point--the latter is to serve as a caption to an image which it compliments quite nicely. The former has nothing to work with, as it were. [Actually, "Mr. Dolby Rejects..." isn't even a lyric, it is in fact a genuine caption from the "Science" video! But the logic remains the same. Let's call it a "Dolbyism" and proceed, shall we?] 4) One Dolbyism per shirt should suffice. Barbara chose one, and rendered it well. Why add another? 5) It occurs to me that the net-clueless are not going to understand "alloy@smoe.org" anyway, but I'm not sure what, if anything, might be done about that. Append "The Thomas Dolby Mail List" below it? Feh, more clutter. Then again, URLs are pretty ubiquitous. Add Paul's Alloy URL? Still more verbosity--where to draw the line? So, it seems best to me just to carry out Barbara's original version. [Please note: Barbara paid me nothing to say this. Really. No, really.] Perhaps something can be done with "Fruit Juice Everywhere" on the next shirt....uh, we ARE going to do one once a year, aren't we? :) OK, grab your flamethrowers and brick-bats, gang, BC (Overanalysis While You Wait) - --- Brian Clayton "The main motive for going beyond the Rim... stemish@kumr.lns.com there's a heck of a big Taco Bell out there..." -- J. Michael Straczynski ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #139 ***************************