From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V2 #101 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, May 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: tshirt design [bcohen@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Barbara A Cohen via apo] Re: Alloy: I see your true colours shining through [Bill Hargreaves ] Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt ["Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.C] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [Lem Bingley ] Alloy: Of flashing and yelling. [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [paul ] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [Lem Bingley ] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [Bill Hargreaves ] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [MsSakamoto@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed [paul ] Re: Alloy: our fine feathered frocks [paul ] Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt [Monya De ] Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed [Elaine Linstruth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:39:48 -0700 From: bcohen@LPL.Arizona.EDU (Barbara A Cohen via apocalypse ) Subject: Alloy: Re: tshirt design Lem, that's some nice work. I personally, though, would rather see something with the actual "Alloy" on it--and in saying that I see I need to put up or shut up. I'll fool around with some captured "Gate" video images tomorrow and send Paul the results... :) *B* Barbara Cohen Cosmochemical Cocktail Mixer, PhD to be ****************************************** For a real sweet time, call C6 H12 O6. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:30:34 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: I see your true colours shining through At 10:22 29/05/97 +1000, you wrote: >Hi y'all, > >Please note: I know I don't really have to say this but I'd really prefer >it if we avoid degrading Alloy to a series of 'my platform is better than >your platform' messages. > Hello again sir. Hanging around on platforms now, are we? I can see that you're a trouble-maker, and no mistake. Are you intending to use one of our fine trains or are you merely waiting to pounce on some unsuspecting traveller in you Macintosh when the station's virtually empty? And why do you keep shouting to those people waiting on the opposite side of the station that your platform is better than theirs? Don't let your Mac flap open like that sir, it's not a pretty site .... MOVE ALONG THERE YOU BYSTANDERS, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE ..... no offense sir. Now, button up and bugger off before I practice my invisible bruising techniques on you. BH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:30:31 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Alloy: Re: Back On Line, Live From The New Geek Room At 18:24 28/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >Slarvi, > >> will get you in to the mutant thread, then you can go back to the main >> thread list, and Fred's your Auntie. > >What in the hell does Bob's Yer Uncle mean anyway? > >M > Mary, It means the same as QED, (i.e. 'quite easily done.') ...... but what does 'i.e.' mean. I mean, how does one get 'that is' from 'i.e.' I think we should be told. Answers on a post card or stuck down antelope to :- Slarvi Barglhee (F.F.E.S.) c/o Eudora, Icon No 1 Internet Group Windows 3.11 FW The Big House Manchester M3 1WCFields BH P.S. Hello Mr Pease. Never seen your name in here before, you must have been nobbut a lurker until now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:12:24 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Query At 14:18 28/5/97 -0700, you wrote: > >What does quod erat demonstrandum mean exactly, anyway? Is it appropriate >for a portion of the t-shirt? According to the Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors it means (ahem) "which was to be demonstrated". I hope that closes the matter. LB. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 97 06:00:39 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt Greetings Team, So! You want ex$pensive shirts! Now you tell me . . . Great artwork, Lem. I'll show it to our "production team" (Karen Bell dba Great Silkie Artwear) for commentary and projections. These colors will work well with the Eggplant shirt, but I am not certain how feasible the image will be. Of course it's possible, but it may put us up a notch in price . . . and send us scurrying to find a new printer, who, I might add, may not be as amenable to our idiosyncratic tendencies. I'll check it out and report back later today. What I think we're up against here is a full four color process, and I'm not sure what that would cost (set-up, it's all in the set-up). So much for "It cost me ten dollars." Lem, thanks a lot for the effort, I really like it too. Perhaps you could work "ALLOY" into the front design? Or, wait a minute, it's coming to me, Ha! Print ALLOY like a watermark in the background. Nah, didn't like it - nevermind. Four color process again, too. Anyway, see what you can do about working in that text with your design if you can lift the time. Hey, doesn't Bill Gates own the Da Vinci notebook with that drawing? Blows against the Empire! Got a good lawyer, Paul? And to the Team: It has been suggested that the tag line to the in=equation might easily be "lost" to increase the enigma-factor; encouraging more free- associative brain activity in the observer, and allowing the wearer to gauge said observer's mind set. And too, we might prefer to answer the inevitable interrogative ourselves: offering the "love" answer, or substituting our own tailored-for-the-moment witticism, designed to beguile, or bedevil as the situation requires. I kinda like that. Paul: Now I know why the Alloy "Gate to the mind's what? image is sooo dark too . . . Was wondering about that. And yes, you've definitely earned your free shirt with all the fine work you're putting into this, Gamma Correction notwithstanding. I'm sure I speak for us all in offering a hearty "Thank you, Sir!" Triple Octane: Jet fuel (called "Jet A") is not rated in octane numbers (gad, I wish I were as clever as, and hats-off to, Bill "Bobbie" Hargreaves - --- then I could be your feared and admired Flight Instructor running you up one side of the pole and down the other for getting this wrong), but aviation gasoline (AvGas) is. Here in the US there are two grades of AvGas commonly available: 80 (red) and 100LL (blue). What do folks use Down-under? Do you still have the PURPLE stuff - octane around 130? ("Mmmmmm, purple." -- Homer Simpson) Quod erat demonstrandum = Which was to be demonstrated. (New Webster, 1971) Warmest regards to all, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:15:59 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt At 06:00 29/5/97 /\/\iles wrote: >What I think we're up against here is a full four color >process, and I'm not sure what that would cost (set-up, it's all in the >set-up). I've a little bit of experience with silk-screening and would think that a 3-screen process could get close to the effect of the design I suggested, as long as your friend can use photographic processes to create the screens (or is really good at copying) and as long as she doesn't use those inks that end up like a slab of rubber stuck to your back. Anyway, I really don't want my effort to be the only one under discussion. This is all a bit premature. Get scribbling, people. Lem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 97 23:36:37 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Of flashing and yelling. Hi y'all, Just a quickie: I'm about computered out after having to stare at screens like this for more hours than I care to remember this week. Sorry I've not had a chance to fix the colour on the gallery images yet. I've found the workaround, just need to get time to apply it. Will do tomorrow or Saturday (Aust time.) Also, just wanted to apologise if I bared my teeth a little too much (was it this morning? yeah) this morning. It was unwarranted, and likely just a defensive [over]reaction: all too often I've seen clients make unilateral platform-jumping decisions - in either direction - for no reason other than the personal preference of one or two in key positions regardless of CBA results and what their staff is trained on. My current client is doing just this over the next month or two and it's going to be painful for the poor sods at ground level that just want to get their work done. It's a bit of a sore point right now as you can see. Rambling. Sorry! :-) Really got a giggle out of your train station/Macintosh coat messages though Bill, they were a high point of the day! thanks for your understanding all, stay well, Paul. [think I'll go outside and watch the stars for a while. It'd be good to look at something that doesn't have a scan rate.] ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au Consulting SE/IT contractor http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane, Australia There is a spirit here that won't be broken. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:36:25 -0700 From: paul Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt forget the T-shirt what I want is an amphibious 97 Ford Explorer decked out to look like a "dirty Datsun" that I can drive into the Gulf of Mexico Sphere ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:54:11 +0100 From: Lem Bingley Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt At 20:36 28/5/97 -0700, Sphere wrote: >forget the T-shirt what I want is an amphibious 97 Ford Explorer I'd settle for the slightly less-likely announcement of a new album by our esteemed leader. Lem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:33:03 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt At 20:36 28/05/97 -0700, you wrote: >forget the T-shirt what I want is an amphibious 97 Ford Explorer decked >out to look like a "dirty Datsun" that I can drive into the Gulf of >Mexico > >Sphere > It's in the post. Please allow 28 days for delivery. BH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:33:06 +0100 (BST) From: Bill Hargreaves Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt At 14:54 29/05/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 20:36 28/5/97 -0700, Sphere wrote: >>forget the T-shirt what I want is an amphibious 97 Ford Explorer > >I'd settle for the slightly less-likely announcement of a new album by our >esteemed leader. > >Lem > As this is not likely, why not do something to give you a warm glow inside instead, viz; send a congratulatory message to Maurice on the birth of his firstborn son last Sunday. BH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: cekemp@netcom.com (Charles E. Kemp) Subject: Alloy: our fine feathered frocks Yet more T-shirt stuff... ACK! No, I don't want an expensive shirt. As I look around, I realize more and more that I just want something simple but durable. If the shirt has too intricate of artwork on it, then it tends to come off in the wash after a while. I can forgo (That's why people fall in love) as long as there is a nice, tidy otherwise dolby-esque reference. If there is not that addendum on the front, then "Fruit Juice Everywhere" is just too darn obscure. Oh, and just mark me down for an XL of the default color. I just said pink as a suggestion, it's not a "must". ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:33:36 From: Neil Leacy Subject: Alloy: Web Browsers, etc... plus extra t-shirt order Quick thoughts about browsers, etc. Any broswer will only shoe .JPG or .GIF files as they are the only commonly recognised image file in the html language. If you try to view a .BMP file you will get lines of gobble-de-gook if the option hasn't been set to save that type of file to disk. As for colours... don't forget that with the plethora of video cards available for any computer colours will always seem different unless they have been set to exactly the same settings as the image originators. Also, and this is a little simpler, try adjusting the brightness/contrast to get a better image on the monitor! BTW - If the t-shirts average USD15-20 then I'll increase my order to 2 (one long sleeve dark coloured/one short sleeve light coloured). And just for a laugh (and allegedly a true story and a classic example of not listening to someone properly) There's a guy on the shop floor (swears he's Elvis? oops sorry wrong song who's got a supply of blue movies. One chap say's 'My wife's having a hen party and thought it would be fun to show a film. Can you get me one for the girls?' 'No problem,' says the video guy and next day delivers the goods. Monday comes and the 2nd bloke is pretty pissed off as hi wife hasn't spoken to him since Saturday. 'That video you lent me killed the party dead! Why did you give me a two-hour lesbian orgy video?" 'But that's what you asked for, a video full of girls... oops! Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support (nleacy@it-excelsior.britax.co.uk) ==================================================================== For further information on child car seats designed and produced by Britax-Excelsior visit our web pages at http://www.britax.co.uk/ ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt On 29 May 1997, Stephen M. Tilson wrote: > Greetings Team, > Paul: Now I know why the Alloy "Gate to the mind's what? image is sooo dark > too . . . Was wondering about that. And yes, you've definitely earned your > free shirt with all the fine work you're putting into this, Gamma Correction > notwithstanding. I'm sure I speak for us all in offering a hearty "Thank > you, Sir!" Speaking of which, I vote that we all absorb the cost of a shirt for you as well. Any seconds on that...? You're definately going above-and-beyond the call of duty here. :) - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:21:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt In a message dated 97-05-29 15:14:33 EDT, elaine@QNET.COM (Elaine Linstruth) writes: > Speaking of which, I vote that we all absorb the cost of a shirt for you > as well. Any seconds on that...? You're definately going > above-and-beyond the call of duty here. :) I agree 110%! Anyone else? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:45:18 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt At 03:21 PM 5/29/97 -0400, Ms. Sakamoto wrote: (After Elaine wrote): >> Speaking of which, I vote that we all absorb the cost of a shirt for you >> as well. Any seconds on that...? You're definately going >> above-and-beyond the call of duty here. :) > >I agree 110%! Anyone else? I think that's a great idea! Miles has really come through for us. I would like to echo the concern that another member brought up today - cost effectiveness vs. design quality. I think that Lem's design is GORGEOUS - really damn cool, but I'm concerned about escalating prices. It is, after all, a t-shirt (an article of clothing notorious for not lasting horribly long.) Simplicity has its benefits. (I always get into a Zen simplicity thing when I'm trying to pack for a trip - - and usually fail miserably.) Cheers, Melissa - not a Shaker, but I play one on tv - ------------------- ------------------------------------------ Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: - ------------------- http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Special International Projects Manager - ------------------------------------------ Goodwill Industries International, Inc. (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 97 16:02:52 EDT From: "Stephen M. Tilson" <71160.307@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Alloy: Full-color t-shirt Tenacious Team, Karen Bell tells me that a full color shirt will approximately double our costs over this size order (approx. 3 dozen shirts). Like I said . . . She's very busy for the following four days with shows, so I don't expect to be able to get a more concrete answer than that for the nonce. Afterwards we'll get together and ponder graphic ideas and such, so keep those designs coming. Fanning the flame, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:56:55 -0700 From: paul Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed Funny my Dolby CD has a post it note attached to it that says "Buy wheat bread and pit stick" (slang for deodorant). I'm not sure if this means that Thomas will be putting out a new album soon, or that it is going to rain. Sphere Croydon wrote: > > This is really weird: Dolby is flanked by the soundtrack to "Dances With > Wolves" on one side, and the soundtrack to "Edward Scissorhands" on the > other. Strangely, those are the only two soundtrack albums I own on CD. > I'm sure this must mean something only I have no idea what. > > LB > > *The views expressed in this e-mail message > *are not those of the Croydon Borough Council ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:48:00 -0700 From: paul Subject: Re: Alloy: our fine feathered frocks Charles E. Kemp wrote: > I have to agree. What would you think of a durable shirt with a small design sewn into the fabric. > ACK! No, I don't want an expensive shirt. As I look around, I realize > more and more that I just want something simple but durable. If the > shirt has too intricate of artwork on it, then it tends to come off in > the wash after a while. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:28:55 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed At 03:56 AM 5/29/97 -0700, Paul (of Indianapolis, where my nutcase ex- college roommate lives) wrote: >Funny my Dolby CD has a post it note attached to it that says "Buy wheat >bread and pit stick" (slang for deodorant). I'm not sure if this means >that Thomas will be putting out a new album soon, or that it is going to >rain. The question is, Sphere, *which* Dolby disk is it? This may have some bearing on how you interpret your post its. And how long have you been reading the "I Ching of Little Sticky Notes?" - - Melissa, T minus 8 shopping days to business class on that fab 777... P.S. (Hei, Lissu and the other Finlandish folks - why don't you drop over to St. Pete for a couple of days next month? My contacts there are studiously ignoring me, so I may have copious free time to enjoy the White Nights - I'll show you where they killed Rasputin - the first two or three times... Melissa's Fin-Rus Matkat...) - ----------------------------------------- Melissa R. Jordan Remember The Women Pilots of WWII: Special International Projects Manager http://www.infinet.com/~iwasm/wasp.htm Goodwill Industries International, Inc. - ----------------------------------------- (301) 881-6858 (direct phone) (301) 881-9435 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Monya De Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt > And to the Team: It has been suggested that the tag line to the in=equation > might easily be "lost" to increase the enigma-factor; encouraging more free- > associative brain activity in the observer, and allowing the wearer to gauge > said observer's mind set. And too, we might prefer to answer the inevitable > interrogative ourselves: offering the "love" answer, or substituting our own > tailored-for-the-moment witticism, designed to beguile, or bedevil as the > situation requires. I kinda like that. > I kind of like the tag myself. Otherwise, I'd feel like one of those ancient math teachers walking around with the quadratic equation emblazoned across his/her chest. MD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:39:15 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Alloy: Triple Octane T-Shirt Monya De wrote: > > > And to the Team: It has been suggested that the tag line to the in=equation > > might easily be "lost" to increase the enigma-factor; encouraging more free- > > associative brain activity in the observer, and allowing the wearer to gauge > > said observer's mind set. And too, we might prefer to answer the inevitable > > interrogative ourselves: offering the "love" answer, or substituting our own > > tailored-for-the-moment witticism, designed to beguile, or bedevil as the > > situation requires. I kinda like that. > > > > I kind of like the tag myself. Otherwise, I'd feel like one of those > ancient math > teachers walking around with the quadratic equation emblazoned across > his/her chest. > > MD I agree, keep the tag. "2+2=5.25" isn't going to get most people to think deeply about anything (and 2+2=42 would only get Douglas Adams fans to think), except that we don't like math or something. "2+2=5.25 (that's why people fall in love)" is pretty enigmatic in itself, I've always thought--the entire song is, in fact, and it's long been a favorite of mine (one of many). Were there really ancient math teachers who walked around with the quadratic equation emblazoned across their chests? That makes for an interesting mental picture, depending on where and when they were from (and what the local dress style was...) ;) - -- E(lipse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby Framed On Thu, 29 May 1997, paul wrote: > Funny my Dolby CD has a post it note attached to it that says "Buy wheat > bread and pit stick" (slang for deodorant). I'm not sure if this means > that Thomas will be putting out a new album soon, or that it is going to > rain. > > Sphere I can't remember the last time an email made me laugh out loud like this. (thanks) Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V2 #101 ***************************